Free Agent Pass Rushers

[FatDT]

We've talked about Dee Ford. I posted a Brandon Graham thread but none of you assholes apparently wanted to talk about him. Maybe a general thread about the upcoming FAs is the way to go.

I've read a couple Chiefs fans talking about Justin Houston. Some think he'll be released.

Here are his contract details (sherck stop drooling): https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/kansas-city-chiefs/justin-houston-7789/

He's scheduled to make over $15 million in 2019, and $17 million in 2020.

He is 29 years old.

Until this upcoming offseason, he would've been a huge boat anchor of dead cap to cut. But if he's cut in the 2019 offseason, he'll only count $7 million against it.

So, they might keep him another year, but they could cut him and save $8 million and change.

It is hard to imagine they will re-sign Ford AND keep Houston at his cap number.

Which of the two would you prefer to sign?

[smitty46953]

Personally I would rather have Ford … :cool:

[sherck]

Either.

Or both! :)




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[Thorgrim]

Ford even if only because he is a little more than two years younger.

[Oldcolt]

While I've talked up Bell, this (the defensive line) is where I hope there is enough talent available in free agency that we can spend a shitload of Irsay's money on. If a legitimate pass rusher is available pay him, even overpay but get him.

[Pez]

it would be unconventional for us to look for pass rush from the NTs, even though we have been toying off and on with the double A gap business. Might be something worth considering as a DT would generally be less expensive and perhaps even more common than a DE.

[Hoopsdoc]

Houston is far better than Ford. He is older, however.

[Chromeburn]

Ford for me, younger and more upside.

Guys we should look at are:

Bradon Graham: very consistent in his pressure rate the last couple of years. He does not have the sack numbers but he still gets there. Due to his lower sacks he might be more reasonable to sign. Familiarity with Reich.

Frank Clark: has just as good of numbers as Demarcus Lawrence without the hype machine behind him. Somebody posted that he was a POS with character issues.

Dee Ford: finally living up to his potential as a first rounder. Has been hurt a lot and the fact he is in a contract year worries me a bit. Good upside and young.

Trey Flowers: NE's only pass rushing weapon. Has been getting better and is really the only decent guy on their line. Well coached and a long, good athlete. Moved all over the line. Looks to be getting better. Chandler Jones left and absolutely blew up.

Lawrence will probably be franchised or signed

[Dewey 5]

Ford will probably get tagged by KC.

I would love to get Demarcus Lawrence but I don't think Dallas lets him walk.

[Dam8610]

I'd want Ford of those two.

My order of preference for upcoming free agent DEs:
1) DeMarcus Lawrence
2) Dee Ford
3) Frank Clark
4) Jadeveon Clowney

I don't think Graham or Flowers would be a worthwhile sign. If Justin Houston became available, he'd go to the 3 spot on my list.

[Dam8610]

I'd want Ford of those two.

My order of preference for upcoming free agent DEs:
1) DeMarcus Lawrence
2) Dee Ford
3) Frank Clark
4) Jadeveon Clowney

I don't think Graham or Flowers would be a worthwhile sign. If Justin Houston became available, he'd go to the 3 spot on my list.

[omahacolt]

I'd want Ford of those two.

My order of preference for upcoming free agent DEs:
1) DeMarcus Lawrence
2) Dee Ford
3) Frank Clark
4) Jadeveon Clowney

I don't think Graham or Flowers would be a worthwhile sign. If Justin Houston became available, he'd go to the 3 spot on my list.

[Chromeburn]

I'd want Ford of those two.

My order of preference for upcoming free agent DEs:
1) DeMarcus Lawrence
2) Dee Ford
3) Frank Clark
4) Jadeveon Clowney

I don't think Graham or Flowers would be a worthwhile sign. If Justin Houston became available, he'd go to the 3 spot on my list.

I'd want Ford of those two.

My order of preference for upcoming free agent DEs:
1) DeMarcus Lawrence
2) Dee Ford
3) Frank Clark
4) Jadeveon Clowney

I don't think Graham or Flowers would be a worthwhile sign. If Justin Houston became available, he'd go to the 3 spot on my list.

What is going on?!? Dam and Omaha agree on something?

[YDFL Commish]

what is going on?!? Dam and omaha agree on something?



i suspect collusion!

[apballin]

I’d take Clowney

[Dam8610]

I'd want Ford of those two.

My order of preference for upcoming free agent DEs:
1) DeMarcus Lawrence
2) Dee Ford
3) Frank Clark
4) Jadeveon Clowney

I don't think Graham or Flowers would be a worthwhile sign. If Justin Houston became available, he'd go to the 3 spot on my list.

Why did you copy my post verbatim?

[rcubed]

I'd want Ford of those two.

My order of preference for upcoming free agent DEs:
1) DeMarcus Lawrence
2) Dee Ford
3) Frank Clark
4) Jadeveon Clowney

I don't think Graham or Flowers would be a worthwhile sign. If Justin Houston became available, he'd go to the 3 spot on my list.
Thats a good post omaha.

[omahacolt]

Thats a good post omaha.

Thanks man

[Racehorse]

Why did you copy my post verbatim?

Probably because you did it, too.

[Puck]

I’d take Clowney

I would too. It helps us and hurts the texicans

[FatDT]

Thought I read that Ford would not be tagged by KC.

[Puck]

Thought I read that Ford would not be tagged by KC.

I think it’s still a rumor

[Dam8610]

Probably because you did it, too.

Timestamps say different.

[apballin]

Clowney or Lawrence that’s the only options

[FatDT]

Clowney or Lawrence that’s the only options

Why is that?

[Racehorse]

Timestamps say different.

Yours says your two were about half hour apart (8:11-8:48), with Omaha's about half hour later (9:25).

Edit: Dude can't even admit he is wrong when it is right there in black and white for the whole world to see. smh

[apballin]

Why is that?

Gotta be a game wrecker

[Dewey 5]

Gotta be a game wrecker

Much like Ford he'll probably get tagged. Lawrence might be available but I have a hard time seeing Dallas letting him walk.

[Chromeburn]

Gotta be a game wrecker

What if we can't get one? What if we can get say a guy that is 75% of Lawrence. Wouldn't that be better than what we have?

I also can't see Lawrence making it out of Dallas unless he refuses to sign.

[FatDT]

Gotta be a game wrecker

How is Clowney a "game wrecker" where the others aren't?

[apballin]

If we can’t sign 1 of the 2 then don’t sign anyone because then we’re just overpaying for production we can get out of a younger guy.

Clowney gets overshadowed by Watt he’s one of the best defenders in the league

[nate505]

Fuck Dee Ford.

[VeveJones007]

Fuck Dee Ford.

Yeah, his lack of awareness in that situation is a huge red flag.

[Indiana V2]

I would pass on anyone from the Chiefs, that defense is awful.

[Maniac]

I would pass on anyone from the Chiefs, that defense is awful.

Except when they play us apparently

[apballin]

Except when they play us apparently

We abandoned the run

[Dam8610]

If we can’t sign 1 of the 2 then don’t sign anyone because then we’re just overpaying for production we can get out of a younger guy.

Clowney gets overshadowed by Watt he’s one of the best defenders in the league

You'd be overpaying for Clowney if you signed him.

[Butter]

I would pass on anyone from the Chiefs, that defense is awful.

Well, that is just dumb.

[apballin]

You'd be overpaying for Clowney if you signed him.

Can’t put a price on a defensive playmaker

He can change a game and he has to be accounted for on every snap

[Dam8610]

Can’t put a price on a defensive playmaker

He can change a game and he has to be accounted for on every snap

Dee Ford and Frank Clark each had 4 more sacks than Clowney.

[Chromeburn]

Dee Ford and Frank Clark each had 4 more sacks than Clowney.

And they didn't play across from Watt.

[apballin]

I’ll give you Clark but ford had Houston

[JAFF]

it would be unconventional for us to look for pass rush from the NTs, even though we have been toying off and on with the double A gap business. Might be something worth considering as a DT would generally be less expensive and perhaps even more common than a DE.

Warren Sapp was a pretty good pass rusher from inside. The Tampa 2 benefits a quick strong DT. John Randle in Minn when Dungy was the DC

[Pez]

You have to wonder then if perhaps Ballard would build from the trenches again and go after strong DTs. There might be better talent available at DT when we draft than at DE....


Jeffery Simmons*, DT, Mississippi State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 301.
Projected 40 Time: 4.95.
Projected Round (2019): Top-25.


Ed Oliver*, DT, Houston
Height: 6-3. Weight: 275.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70.
Projected Round (2019): Top-25.


Dre'Mont Jones*, DT, Ohio State
Height: 6-3. Weight: 272.
Projected 40 Time: 4.90.
Projected Round (2019): 1-2

[Dam8610]

You have to wonder then if perhaps Ballard would build from the trenches again and go after strong DTs. There might be better talent available at DT when we draft than at DE....


Jeffery Simmons*, DT, Mississippi State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 301.
Projected 40 Time: 4.95.
Projected Round (2019): Top-25.


Ed Oliver*, DT, Houston
Height: 6-3. Weight: 275.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70.
Projected Round (2019): Top-25.


Dre'Mont Jones*, DT, Ohio State
Height: 6-3. Weight: 272.
Projected 40 Time: 4.90.
Projected Round (2019): 1-2

Simmons is a guy I have my eye on. Ed Oliver was getting #1 overall talk this time last year, has he really fallen so far as to be available at 26? If so, maybe he becomes a Randle type of player for the Colts. Supposedly his playing weight is similar, which is low for a DT, even moreso today than back then.

[rcubed]

You have to wonder then if perhaps Ballard would build from the trenches again and go after strong DTs. There might be better talent available at DT when we draft than at DE....
My general feeling is that ballard will take best DT or DE available unless there is someone that really blows them away at another position, maybe someone that falls that wasnt supposed to.

ballard has talked about being strong upfront. he addressed OL heavily last year, I think it will be similar this year, especially with the draft being as deep at the DL as is being reported.

[FatDT]

My general feeling is that ballard will take best DT or DE available unless there is someone that really blows them away at another position, maybe someone that falls that wasnt supposed to.

ballard has talked about being strong upfront. he addressed OL heavily last year, I think it will be similar this year, especially with the draft being as deep at the DL as is being reported.

It's possible teams will see a run on DL and want to not miss out, so they'll reach on players that don't deserve it. And a good non-DL player will fall into our laps.

Then again NFL GMs love to be the smartest guy in the room so they may be looking away from DL thinking that's where the value will be.

I doubt Ballard is locking himself into anything, other than just taking the highest player in his binder. Depending on who you read there could be 10+ DL taken before we pick.

[Chromeburn]

You have to wonder then if perhaps Ballard would build from the trenches again and go after strong DTs. There might be better talent available at DT when we draft than at DE....


Jeffery Simmons*, DT, Mississippi State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 301.
Projected 40 Time: 4.95.
Projected Round (2019): Top-25.


Ed Oliver*, DT, Houston
Height: 6-3. Weight: 275.
Projected 40 Time: 4.70.
Projected Round (2019): Top-25.


Dre'Mont Jones*, DT, Ohio State
Height: 6-3. Weight: 272.
Projected 40 Time: 4.90.
Projected Round (2019): 1-2

Jones is the only one I think will be available to us when we pick. I really like him. He is a little undersized, not like Dungy's old defense undersized, but he isn't 6'6 300. However, he is really technically sound and advanced for a player coming out. He can also move all over the line, like Lewis he could play end and then move inside on passing downs. I think he is going to be a very good pro and I'm hoping we grab him with one of our top two picks.

If Eberflus follows that Dallas defensive strategy with their linemen. He might like bigger, taller guys. I think Tillery is a guy they could target in the first or early second. Taller, also has had a good season and was very disruptive applying a lot of pressure from the interior.