Off Season

[smitty46953]

Hate the off season on here. Has been over 14 hours since anyone posted? What are your wishes for the Colts to accomplish ? :cool:

[VeveJones007]

Hate the off season on here. Has been over 14 hours since anyone posted? What are your wishes for the Colts to accomplish ? :cool:

I want to add quality pieces at each of these positions:

WR2
WR3
EDGE
DT
SS

I also want better depth in these position groups:

LB
OL

[Colts And Orioles]

I hate the off season on here. It has been over 14 hours since anyone posted ??? What are your wishes for the Colts to accomplish ??? :cool:




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First and foremost ........ keep the dominant offensive line intact, and even try to improve it (if that's even possible.)

So many other things tend to fall into place when you have a dominant offensive line, ESPECIALLY when you have an All-World quarterback taking snaps behind that dominant line ........ imagine Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck (and Bert Jones and Johnny Unitas for some of you very long-time Colts fans) being protected by an offensive line that the Oakland/Los Angeles Raiders had from the late 60's through the early 80's.

o

[Pez]

A draft / off season that will do for the DL in 2019 what was done for the OL in 2018.

Deoin Cain getting healthy and living up to his 2018 TC promise

Eric Ebron improving his hands

Doyle and Slauson getting healthy.

Andrew Luck continuing to improve.

Inman stepping into a true possession receiver role and a couple younger guys stepping up

Ryan Kelly starting and finishing the entire season.

Marlon Mack continuing to improve

Frank Reich getting even better at game planning with the tools he has.

[sherck]

The Colts Off-Season Quick List from Sherck:

1. Exclusive Rights Free Agents Tag:

- WR Marcus Johnson. Showed a bit of ability early in the season before his week six season ending injury with 6 receptions in 5 games played. Happy to bring him back as TC fodder and potential WR4/WR5 depth if he makes the team.

- LS Luke Rhodes. Sure, he has done fine. Whatever.

2. Restricted Free Agent Tag:

- Evan Boehm (26). Tag him with an "original round" tag for around $2.1m for 2019. He was originally a 4th round draft pick in 2016 for Arizona. Valuable part of the depth of the 2018 Colts O-Line interior with position flexibility for OC or OG.

- SS Matthias Farley (27). In his five games prior to IR, he racked up 17 tackles (10 solo), 4 PD, 1 INT, 1 FF and 2 special team tackles. I think he showed ample ability to potentially be that Big Safety-3 when needed or quality depth behind oft-injured Geathers. He was undrafted in 2016 and I would probably be willing to sign him to the 2nd round RFA tender to ensure he is with us next season for around $3.2m for the season. I think he could be important for the secondary going forward.

- CB Chris Milton (27), SS Corey Moore (26), WR Chester Rogers (25), TE Ross Travis (26). All were undrafted and would require the 2nd round tag in order to retain them for the 2019 season (for sure) and I am unsure that any of them are worth it. Signing them to the "original round" tag only ensures that we have the right to match any contract offer someone else might give them. I don't think any of them are more than JAG (Just Another Guy) so I would let them hit free agency and see what happens and sign them back later if they are available and we need to fill the 90 man roster.

3. Unrestricted Free Agents:

First of all, I don't think there is anyone that we use the Franchise Tag or Transition Tag on. No need for either of those.

- OG Mark Glowinski (27). My top free agent re-signing priority as he has really found a home in Indy. Rated the #10 OG by PFF, Glowinski obviously performed fantastically in our offense and I believe he has earned a veteran contract in return for both his performance and his potential to get better with a full off-season with us. Top OGs in the league are making in excess of $10m a year and while I don't think he is there, he should get paid well as I think he is a valuable building block going forward. OGs cap hits between #10 highest and #20 highest are between $7.750m and $5.450m so I think a 3-year, $18m contract at $6m a year seems about right for him. It puts him in the top half of the top paid 32 OGs in the league, is a massive upgrade in the amount of money than he has ever received previously, a nice reward for 1 year of service but also a reminder that it is only 1 year of service at top levels. He will still be able to sign another veteran contract at age 30 if he is still performing at high levels.

- SS Clayton Geathers (27). I like his performance when on the field; however, he is suffering from the Bob Sanders effect; he is not on the field as much as you would like. In the last 3 seasons, he has played in 9, 5 and 12 games for a total of 26 of 48 possible games. When on the field.... Ballard in his end of year presser sounded like he loves Clayton so I suspect that he will be back in 2019 on a veteran contract but it it might have lower guaranteed money with more performance based money for being on the field. Like OGs, top Safeties make over $10m a year but most are not making that much. A 3-year, $18m contract looks about right up his alley as well making him the 16th highest paid safety in the league for 2018 (don't know what safety contracts will do in 2019). I like him.....when on the field.

- CB Pierre Desir (28). Not a top ten CB in the league but capable of throwing up "top ten" performance at times. Held in check some of the best WRs in the league down the stretch while then disappearing at times in other games. You have to keep him as he appears to be a very valuable CB in our scheme and we have thin depth already but the big question is "how much do you pay him?" The journey man jumped up to starter is ripe for disappointment once paid. I am going out on a limb to say a bit less than above, 3-year, $15m contract which would have put his cap hit at #36 for CBs in 2018. I don't want him to walk but we need better starting CBs than him in the long run.

- WR Dontrelle Inman (30). 2nd best WR on the roster for 2018 coming up big down the stretch as the only solid complement to T.Y. we had. Would love to see him get a 1-year priority contract at around $3m in order to lock him in as the WR3 to start 2019 (or WR2 if we fail completely to find better). My hope would be that younger studs (Cain, Fountain, Pascal, 2019 rookies) would step up and take the WR2/3/4 spots by mid-season pushing Inman down to depth but if that does not happen, he is a great safety blanket.

- PK Adam Vinatieri (47). Yeah, $3.750m, bring him back.

- DL Margus Hunt (32), FS Mike Mitchell (32), OG Matt Slausson (33), OT J'Marcus Webb (32), NT Al Woods (32). I.E. "The Old Guard." Loved the play of all these older guys at times during the season but, honestly, I hope we can fill the roster with younger guys of similar or better talent to take their places. If a few of them get 1-year contracts for "one more year" then I would not be concerned but none should get multiple-year contracts. We have to invest the money in younger, longer term solutions.

- LB Najee Goode (30), WR Ryan Grant (28), DE Geno Grissom (28), TE Ryan Hewitt (28), S J.J. Wilcox (30). Just, no. Hope some other team finds use for you but not the Colts.

4. Signing Other Team's Free Agents:

Dream List of quality, starter level free agents to sign?

1x DE [Demarcus Lawrence (DAL), Jadeveon Clowney (HOU), Dee Ford (KC), Frank Clark (SEA), Preston Smith (WAS), Shaquil Barnett (DEN)]

1x DT [Grady Jarrett (ATL), Danny Shelton (NE), Christian Covington (HOU), Brent Urban (BAL), Sheldon Richardson (MIN)]

1x CB

1x WR [Adam Humphries (TB), Cole Beasley (DAL), Josh Gordon (NE), Tavon Austin (DAL), Cordarrelle Patterson (NE)]

1x Safety [Adrian Amos (CHI), Clinton Ha Ha Dix (WAS), Lamarcus Joyner (LAR)]

[B]5. The Draft:

Top 3 rounds, find at least:

1x D-Line
1x Secondary
1x Wide Receiver

The middle and late draft:

1x O-Line depth
1x Wide Receiver depth
1x Running Back depth

A heavy mix of retaining our own (Boehm, Farley, Desir, Geathers, Glowinski, Vinny), along with quality free agency (DE, DT, CB, WR, Safety) and drafting will add a TON of talent to our roster for 2019.

Ballard! DO SOMETHING! :)

Walk Worthy,

[FatDT]

Improved pass rush has to be job #1. DE or DT. FA or draft. Or both.

WR2 is up there. I don't think we're a bad as the KC game showed. With healthy Hilton and Doyle and Cain, we only need a WR2 to be an elite offense with Luck and the OL.

RB1 would be nice. I like Mack, but he is not perfect. He's not a receiver. And he gets single-tackled too often. He also gets dinged and misses time. I think he is a platoon guy. I don't know that Wilkins is a good-enough complement. Hines has his own role and is more of a flex.

A high-ceiling center to backup the 3 interior OL positions. Kelly will probably miss time, and we need better than Boehm when it happens.

I don't know what the answer is for the secondary. Geathers isn't bad but I think he can be upgraded. Hooker is similar, but he was a 1st rounder and is coming off an ACL injury so he will get more time.

Moore, Desir, and Wilson have all played well. I think in part the scheme needs a bit of adjustment to allow some more plays on the ball in the air. Better pass rush will also help them. Another quality CB and/or playmaker at safety would be welcome.

[rcubed]

Keep Oline rolling
Upgrade DL/pass rush
WR2 coupled with a heathly cain and resign inman
Secondary help
Reich/Sirianni/Eberflus take a step forward with what they have learned in their first year.

[Chromeburn]

Speed, speed, more speed. After that, get some speedy players.

DE, DT, WR, RB, S, CB

Draft for most of that. Find some defensive pieces for the dline and S.

[VeveJones007]

For the love of god, do not go into this offseason counting on Deon Cain to be anything more than WR5 next year. I'm getting irrationally upset at every mention of Cain in this thread.

[smitty46953]

For the love of god, do not go into this offseason counting on Deon Cain to be anything more than WR5 next year. I'm getting irrationally upset at every mention of Cain in this thread.

Deon Cain would like to buy you a drink :cool:

[VeveJones007]

Apart from roster additions, I'd really like to see good offseasons from the following players:

PR/KR - Nyhiem Hines - Improve return reliability and establish himself as a good option in 2019.

WR - Reese Fountain - Establish himself as a viable WR4/WR5.

EDGE - Kemoko Turay - Get stronger and refine pass rush moves.

LB - Anthony Walker - Improve pass coverage depth.

LB - Darius Leonard - Add some strength. Would like to see fewer plays in 2019 where he's overpowered for a yard or two (see: 4th down run @ KC, pass TD vs Giants).

CB - Quincy Wilson - Continue to learn and improve in zone coverage.

[VeveJones007]

Deon Cain would like to buy you a drink :cool:

This is going to be my hill to die on this offseason. I may need to take periodic breaks from this site just for my own sanity.

[smitty46953]

This is going to be my hill to die on this offseason. I may need to take periodic breaks from this site just for my own sanity.

Nah, little insanity is good for ya :cool:

[rcubed]

For the love of god, do not go into this offseason counting on Deon Cain to be anything more than WR5 next year. I'm getting irrationally upset at every mention of Cain in this thread.
I dont think anyone is thinking of him for more than that right now.

[rcubed]

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[VeveJones007]

Keep Oline rolling
Upgrade DL/pass rush
WR2 coupled with a heathly cain and resign inman
Secondary help
Reich/Sirianni/Eberflus take a step forward with what they have learned in their first year.

I dont think anyone is thinking of him for more than that right now.

Then what you really mean in the first quote is WR2 + WR3/4, coupled with Cain and Inman?

[rcubed]

Then what you really mean in the first quote is WR2 + WR3/4, coupled with Cain and Inman?
1. Hilton
2. New guy
3. Inman
4,5. Cain and Fountain

[JAFF]

Wishes?

1 wish.

Beat the Patriots like a drum

[VeveJones007]

1. Hilton
2. New guy
3. Inman
4,5. Cain and Fountain

Ick. I really hope Fountain is something like WR7/8 after acquisitions.

[rcubed]

Ick. I really hope Fountain is something like WR7/8 after acquisitions.
thats fine. point was get a 2, resign inman, hope cain can produce like preseason. maybe get another WR or keep rogers (hopefully something better than keeping rogers). plus our TEs and WRs are used in passing game alot.

you had a little fit about hearing cains name. no one is suggesting cain is the end of all our WR issues.

[Maniac]

ESPN is saying with the Bucs switching to a 3-4 and their cap situation, there is a real chance that they release Gerald McCoy.

He's older, but would be great if we could get him for a few years.

[Dewey 5]

First order of business. Take a swing at Bill Callahan for OL coach.

[Dam8610]

ESPN is saying with the Bucs switching to a 3-4 and their cap situation, there is a real chance that they release Gerald McCoy.

He's older, but would be great if we could get him for a few years.

I'd rather have Grady Jarrett.

[Maniac]

I'd rather have Grady Jarrett.

https://www.atlantafalcons.com/news/early-bird-report-falcons-biggest-free-agent-decision-mike-smith-hangs-up-whistl

“General manager Thomas Dimitroff said signing Jarrett to an extension is the top priority, though those talks were put off during the season,”

Doesn't sound like he's going to hit free agency for the Colts to have a chance to pick him up.

[YDFL Commish]

Draft:

Always keep adding:
OL
DL

Must Have:
WR 2/3

Add Another:
FS
CB
LB

Free Agency:
Pass Rush Inside/Outside, it doesn't matter
WR 2/3
Power RB...CJ Anderson?

[Colts And Orioles]

I'd rather have Grady Jarrett.




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Cody Jarrett.



http://www.aveleyman.com/Gallery/2017/C/2506-21189.jpg

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[FatDT]

ESPN is saying with the Bucs switching to a 3-4 and their cap situation, there is a real chance that they release Gerald McCoy.

He's older, but would be great if we could get him for a few years.

I don't know why McCoy couldn't try DE, but if they release him I'd be good with bringing him in to be part of the rotation as long as he's a good team culture fit. And I haven't heard anything about him being a bad teammate or difficult to work with. The opposite, actually.

But it'd be good to remember that he is not Warren Sapp in his prime. He's 30, he's played a lot in his 9 year career, and while he's been a good and great player he's never really lived up to his draft status. He would be an improvement and an asset but he's not a blue chip player.

[VeveJones007]

One thing I'm looking forward to this offseason: which bum-ass quarterback do the Jags select in the 1st round? This class of QBs has Locker-Gabbert-Ponder written all over it and should push down a few good options to #26 and #34.

[FatDT]

One thing I'm looking forward to this offseason: which bum-ass quarterback do the Jags select in the 1st round? This class of QBs has Locker-Gabbert-Ponder written all over it and should push down a few good options to #26 and #34.

Maybe they'll sign Foles.

[VeveJones007]

Johnathan Abram (SS Miss St) is a guy I'm going to pay attention to leading up to the draft. Seems like he'd be a good scheme fit and could be available at either #26 or #34.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iiuGex5BHo

[omahacolt]

Johnathan Abram (SS Miss St) is a guy I'm going to pay attention to leading up to the draft. Seems like he'd be a good scheme fit and could be available at either #26 or #34.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iiuGex5BHo

Fuck that. Another safety? Fuck that

Pass rusher or dt should have a good prospect at 26. Hell I would rather have a wr

[YDFL Commish]

Fuck that. Another safety? Fuck that

Pass rusher or dt should have a good prospect at 26. Hell I would rather have a wr

I agree to no safety in the first round. But, I would like to add a safety somewhere in the draft.

[VeveJones007]

Fuck that. Another safety? Fuck that

Pass rusher or dt should have a good prospect at 26. Hell I would rather have a wr

Of course I would prefer a pass rusher to be BPA at 26, but you know this scheme needs a difference maker at safety who can attack downhill.

[Chromeburn]

I don't know why McCoy couldn't try DE, but if they release him I'd be good with bringing him in to be part of the rotation as long as he's a good team culture fit. And I haven't heard anything about him being a bad teammate or difficult to work with. The opposite, actually.

But it'd be good to remember that he is not Warren Sapp in his prime. He's 30, he's played a lot in his 9 year career, and while he's been a good and great player he's never really lived up to his draft status. He would be an improvement and an asset but he's not a blue chip player.

I know a couple bucs fans. Have heard nothing but positive things about McCoy.

We should look at Brandon Graham also, he doesn't get the sack numbers for whatever reason. But his pressure rate is great and consistent.

[omahacolt]

I agree to no safety in the first round. But, I would like to add a safety somewhere in the draft.

Me too but I do t see it as a priority. Decent safeties aren’t that hard to come by. Farley, geathers and Mitchell could all come back relatively cheap

[DrSpaceman]

One thing I'm looking forward to this offseason: which bum-ass quarterback do the Jags select in the 1st round? This class of QBs has Locker-Gabbert-Ponder written all over it and should push down a few good options to #26 and #34.

If they are smart they will sign Foles. Or Eli Manning. Or even Flacco.

So of course they won't do any of that and will likely draft a QB that mainly has the ability hand off to their RBs and try to keep from losing games for them

[Puck]

Fuck that. Another safety? Fuck that

Pass rusher or dt should have a good prospect at 26. Hell I would rather have a wr

Safety is one of the top 4 positions for this d to succeed

1. DE
2. 3 tech
3. Will
4. SS

[YDFL Commish]

Safety is one of the top 4 positions for this d to succeed

1. DE
2. 3 tech
3. Will
4. SS

We have pretty good depth at SS. When Hooker goes down, we have nothing at FS.

[omahacolt]

Safety is one of the top 4 positions for this d to succeed

1. DE
2. 3 tech
3. Will
4. SS

I understand how we use the SS. We don’t need to spend a 1 on a safety when we have a spotty at best pass rush. We have no good de’s. No great 3 tech or nt.

[omahacolt]

We have pretty good depth at SS. When Hooker goes down, we have nothing at FS.

Almost any safety can do what Hooker did last year.

[Puck]

Almost any safety can do what Hooker did last year.

I’m talking upgrading geathers not hooker. Not necessarily with the 1st pick but hopefully BPA covers one of those 4 spots and you take the best of the 4

[VeveJones007]

I understand how we use the SS. We don’t need to spend a 1 on a safety when we have a spotty at best pass rush. We have no good de’s. No great 3 tech or nt.

Luckily the Colts have pick 34 they could also use on a SS.

This really isn’t that complicated. If you could take Harold Landry or Derwin James, you take James every day. You don’t rule out a position when you don’t know who is available.

[Colt Classic]

I didn't see much of any impact from any safety--is it due to just how this defense is?--to warrant using a high pick on the position. Find another Antoine Bethea.

[omahacolt]

I’m talking upgrading geathers not hooker. Not necessarily with the 1st pick but hopefully BPA covers one of those 4 spots and you take the best of the 4

I wasn’t talking to you about hooker either. That was a separate conversation.

Bring back geathers and Farley and ss isn’t a need. We need to focus on the front 4.

[YDFL Commish]

Almost any safety can do what Hooker did last year.


Hooker admittedly was not the same player last year. But, I think that you under value his contribution.

The Colts defense was rarely were challenged with the deep ball partly because Hooker did his job of manning center field.

I totally agree that Geathers and Farley make a good enough SS tandem that SS should not be much of a consideration in the draft.

[VeveJones007]

I didn't see much of any impact from any safety--is it due to just how this defense is?--to warrant using a high pick on the position. Find another Antoine Bethea.

You can have your other Antoine Bethea. I want another Bob Sanders.

[VeveJones007]

I wasn’t talking to you about hooker either. That was a separate conversation.

Bring back geathers and Farley and ss isn’t a need. We need to focus on the front 4.

Geathers & Farley give the same level of competence as the current DL. Neither position is good enough to dominate and be the difference in winning a game. Ballard needs to try and upgrade both this offseason.

[Colt Classic]

You can have your other Antoine Bethea. I want another Bob Sanders.

I'd prefer someone who is on the field more often than he was if it's going to be a second round pick.

[YDFL Commish]

Geathers & Farley give the same level of competence as the current DL. Neither position is good enough to dominate and be the difference in winning a game. Ballard needs to try and upgrade both this offseason.

The unique thing abou Bob Sanders, was that you could play him at either FS or SS.

I feel like Bethea was the same way, without having the impact plays of Bob Sanders.

[omahacolt]

Geathers & Farley give the same level of competence as the current DL. Neither position is good enough to dominate and be the difference in winning a game. Ballard needs to try and upgrade both this offseason.

Dline is vastly more important. You want to win the super bowl, you have to win up front.

[DrSpaceman]

I'd rather not draft another safety.

Need corners, LB, DL, WR.

Not in that order though. LB/DL is still most important I think. That will improve the corner play.

[Dam8610]

You can have your other Antoine Bethea. I want another Bob Sanders.

Without the injury problems.

That said, por que no los dos?

[Chromeburn]

The Bucs are transitioning to a 3-4 from their 4-3 tampa-2 inspired scheme. Might be able to get some players for a firesale. Specifically, they have two good LB's there.

[Puck]

I'd rather not draft another safety.

Need corners, LB, DL, WR.

Not in that order though. LB/DL is still most important I think. That will improve the corner play.

We are in Much better shape at LB than we are at SS

[VeveJones007]

Without the injury problems.

That said, por que no los dos?

That’s my same argument for wanting help at both DL and SS, so fair enough.

[TheMugwump]

I'd be happy with one of those first two picks being used on the best O-lineman available. The other on DT/DE.

The game is won in the trenches, and they couldn't run on one of the worst run defenses in the league.

After that, two WR and the rest defense.

[rcubed]

Bovada odds for next season superbowl:
Rams +700
Chargers +750
Chiefs +800
Pats +800
Colts +1000

Not bad (I know it doesnt really mean anything)

[Dam8610]

Bovada odds for next season superbowl:
Rams +700
Chargers +750
Chiefs +800
Pats +800
Colts +1000

Not bad (I know it doesnt really mean anything)

It means that Vegas recognizes how well positioned the Colts are moving forward. They have 3 of the top 60 picks in the upcoming draft as well as the largest pile of cash to spend of anyone and are coming off a playoff berth that included a wild card round win. I don't know that there's a team in the NFL with a better combination of talent on the roster and resources available to improve the roster than the Colts in 2019.

[kitekrazy]

Not to start the season 1-5.

[apballin]

Sign Clowney or Lawrence

[Dewey 5]

Sign Clowney or Lawrence

Neither will be available, imo.

[Dam8610]

I understand how we use the SS. We don’t need to spend a 1 on a safety when we have a spotty at best pass rush. We have no good de’s. No great 3 tech or nt.

Name the pass rusher that will be available at pick 26 that's worth the pick.

[Discflinger]

Wishes?

1 wish.

Beat the Patriots like a drum

I don't think we play them next year.

[sherck]

Name the pass rusher that will be available at pick 26 that's worth the pick.
I don't know. However, I do know that of all the double digit sackmasters for 2018:

15.5 sacks in 2018 = Chris Jones, drafted 37th overall in 2016
14.5 sacks in 2018 = Danielle Hunter, drafted 88th overall in 2015
13.0 sacks in 2018 = Frank Clark, drafted 63rd overall in 2015
13.0 sacks in 2018 = T.J. Watt, drafted 30th overall in 2017
13.0 sacks in 2018 = Dee Ford, drafted 23rd overall in 2014 (in the ballpark)
12.0 sacks in 2018 = Cameron Jordan, drafted 24th overall in 2011 (in the ballpark)
10.5 sacks in 2018 = Calais Campbell, drafted 50th overall in 2008
10.5 sacks in 2018 = DeMarcus Lawrence, drafted 34th overall in 2014
10.5 sacks in 2018 = Jarrad Reed, drafted 49th overall in 2016
10.5 sacks in 2018 = Kyle Frackrell, drafted 88th overall in 2016
10.0 sacks in 2018 = Geno Atkins, drafted 120th overall in 2010
(11 men drafted around or lower than the 26th overall pick)

That said, sure, Aaron Donald, J.J. Watt, Von Miller, Myles Garrett, Ryan Kerrigan, Jason Pierre Paul, Chandler Jones, Khalil Mack, DeForest Buckner, Bradley Chubb, and Fletcher Cox (11 men) were all drafted in the top half of the first round.

But half and half? While I totally agree that the men drafted in the top half of the first round have a much BETTER chance of becoming an impact player / sackmaster, that does not preclude a guy drafted lower from becoming one as well through player development and great coaching.

By your logic, Roquan Smith should have been gifted DROY honors at the beginning of the season because he was drafted high. No way Leonard could be an impact player as a 2nd rounder.

Have faith in Ballard's talent evaluation process. He has done pretty good so far.

Walk Worthy,

[Oldcolt]

It is rare for a rookie to be a dominant pass rusher. They take time to develop. We have young talented players on the line who need to develop. If one or both of our second round picks from last year make a jump and the other guys improve with a full off season in this scheme we should be much better. If we get lucky and one of the premier pass rushers becomes available so much the better. I’m saying that we don’t need to drop 20 million on a free agent to develop a pass rush. And just by dropping 20 million it doesn’t guarantee a great pass rush

[Dam8610]

I don't know. However, I do know that of all the double digit sackmasters for 2018:

15.5 sacks in 2018 = Chris Jones, drafted 37th overall in 2016
14.5 sacks in 2018 = Danielle Hunter, drafted 88th overall in 2015
13.0 sacks in 2018 = Frank Clark, drafted 63rd overall in 2015
13.0 sacks in 2018 = T.J. Watt, drafted 30th overall in 2017
13.0 sacks in 2018 = Dee Ford, drafted 23rd overall in 2014 (in the ballpark)
12.0 sacks in 2018 = Cameron Jordan, drafted 24th overall in 2011 (in the ballpark)
10.5 sacks in 2018 = Calais Campbell, drafted 50th overall in 2008
10.5 sacks in 2018 = DeMarcus Lawrence, drafted 34th overall in 2014
10.5 sacks in 2018 = Jarrad Reed, drafted 49th overall in 2016
10.5 sacks in 2018 = Kyle Frackrell, drafted 88th overall in 2016
10.0 sacks in 2018 = Geno Atkins, drafted 120th overall in 2010
(11 men drafted around or lower than the 26th overall pick)

That said, sure, Aaron Donald, J.J. Watt, Von Miller, Myles Garrett, Ryan Kerrigan, Jason Pierre Paul, Chandler Jones, Khalil Mack, DeForest Buckner, Bradley Chubb, and Fletcher Cox (11 men) were all drafted in the top half of the first round.

But half and half? While I totally agree that the men drafted in the top half of the first round have a much BETTER chance of becoming an impact player / sackmaster, that does not preclude a guy drafted lower from becoming one as well through player development and great coaching.

By your logic, Roquan Smith should have been gifted DROY honors at the beginning of the season because he was drafted high. No way Leonard could be an impact player as a 2nd rounder.

Have faith in Ballard's talent evaluation process. He has done pretty good so far.

Walk Worthy,

22 guys got 10+ sacks last year. Half were drafted in the Top 15 of their respective draft classes. 64% were First Round picks. 82% were Top 50 picks. That shows that if you want a premier pass rusher, investing in the position early in the draft is important.

The DL talent in this class is expected to move early, with possibly all 5 of the top 5 picks being DL, and as many as 10 of the top 15 being DL. The talent is there, it's just being recognized and will likely be plucked off the board before the Colts have an opportunity to pick. That's not to say Ballard couldn't hit another home run with a guy like Charles Omenihu, that's just recognizing that the Colts played themselves out of a chance at the premium pass rush talent in this class. They're not getting a Nick Bosa, Quinnen Williams, Josh Allen, Rashan Gary, Ed Oliver, Clelin Ferrell, Montez Sweat, Jeffery Simmons, and probably not Jachai Polite or Christian Wilkins (Dexter Lawrence will probably be gone, too, but the Colts aren't likely to draft him). That's all of the consensus first round DL talent, and it's all likely to go top 20, maybe one falls into the 21-25 range. Obviously none of us know who is going to be successful from this class and who is going to bust, but I'd feel a lot more confident in the chances of the Colts getting a premiere pass rusher out of this draft if they come away with a Montez Sweat or Clelin Ferrell than if they don't.

[smitty46953]

Compensatory picks have been announced. Colts add a fourth-rounder (No. 135 overall) as expected. :cool:

[Butter]

I'll take it.

[Coltsalr]

Name the pass rusher that will be available at pick 26 that's worth the pick.

Oshane Ximines and/or Jaylon Ferguson?

[Dam8610]

Oshane Ximines and/or Jaylon Ferguson?

Not worth the pick.

[Chromeburn]

Oshane Ximines and/or Jaylon Ferguson?

Those two have big warning flags. I would not spend a first on either. I would go another position. 3-techs Dre’mont Jones and Jeff Tillery should be there. Tillery is tall and athletic with good production. I think he is on Eberflus’ short list.

[sherck]

If I had my choice, I would add a DE in free agency (bid for best available) and draft 3-tech and NT at 26 and 34. Young inside tandem to pair with Autey and Lewis with Ridgeway as 5th man would greatly improve our D-Line.

After that, BPA all the way.

Walk Worthy,

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[FatDT]

If I had my choice, I would add a DE in free agency (bid for best available) and draft 3-tech and NT at 26 and 34. Young inside tandem to pair with Autey and Lewis with Ridgeway as 5th man would greatly improve our D-Line.

After that, BPA all the way.

Walk Worthy,

Sent from my SM-G930V using Tapatalk

Ridgeway barely played the second half of the season. Don’t be surprised if he gets cut.

[smitty46953]

Indianapolis Colts‏Verified account @Colts

We have signed TE Ross Travis to a one-year contract extension.

:cool:

[Coltsalr]

@RapSheet
Sources: The #Chiefs have had trade talks centered around star pass-rusher Justin Houston. With Houston’s cap number and the potential to franchise tag Dee Ford, Houston appears to be a rare top pass-rusher available. Teams have been calling with real interest.



Wonder if Ballard will make an exception with a former player of his. He did just turn 30 but he’s still quite effective.

[VeveJones007]

@RapSheet
Sources: The #Chiefs have had trade talks centered around star pass-rusher Justin Houston. With Houston’s cap number and the potential to franchise tag Dee Ford, Houston appears to be a rare top pass-rusher available. Teams have been calling with real interest.



Wonder if Ballard will make an exception with a former player of his. He did just turn 30 but he’s still quite effective.

Ballard was pretty clear today: he's not in the business of subtracting draft picks. Now if Houston is cut, that might be a possibility.

[Oldcolt]

Just a comment after listening to Ballard and Reich yesterday. Damn did we luck into the jackpot. It's getting to the point that I just trust that these guys have there shit together and will do the right thing. They both have the same plan that they actually believe in. They don't even seem tempted by Bell/Brown. I've always believed that gm/coaching is the real key to winning in any sport. It's early but so far I can't believe how fortunate we are. It's especially sweet for all us Freaks who suffered thru the last few years of absolute incompetence.

[Coltsalr]

@MikeGarafolo
The #Giants have discussed the possibility of trading LB Olivier Vernon, sources tell me and @RapSheet. The big score of free agency a few years ago, Vernon might have played his last down as a Giant.

[FatDT]

He was overrated and overpaid when they signed him. Zero interest in that guy.

[smitty46953]

Patriots have released Dwayne Allen saving $7.8 million. Raiders resigned OT Denzelle Good 1 year @ $1.8 million

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[sherck]

Patriots have released Dwayne Allen saving $7.8 million. Raiders resigned OT Denzelle Good 1 year @ $1.8 million

Sent from my SM-G920V using TapatalkI would be interested in Allen as TE3 if we don't fill that spot via the draft. He played great early on and with Reich as his coach...

Walk Worthy,

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[smitty46953]

Hey Sherck did you get my PM ?
:cool:

[Coltsalr]

Ian Rapoport
Source: The #Cowboys are franchise tagging star pass rusher DeMarcus Lawrence.

There goes that, not that it was ever a real possibility.

I do think he's likely to be irate over being tagged, I also don't think it's likely that Ballard will pay the bounty in draft picks the Cowboys would be demanding.

[Dewey 5]

Ian Rapoport
Source: The #Cowboys are franchise tagging star pass rusher DeMarcus Lawrence.

There goes that, not that it was ever a real possibility.

I do think he's likely to be irate over being tagged, I also don't think it's likely that Ballard will pay the bounty in draft picks the Cowboys would be demanding.

They probably just tagged him while they work on a contract.

I think we all knew getting a pass rusher in free agency was going to be highly unlikely. Maybe they take a shot at Trey Flowers although I would imagine he follows Brian Flores in Miami.

[VeveJones007]

They probably just tagged him while they work on a contract.

I think we all knew getting a pass rusher in free agency was going to be highly unlikely. Maybe they take a shot at Trey Flowers although I would imagine he follows Brian Flores in Miami.

Miami has some cap issues, but I'm sure there are ways they could make some room. Regardless, Flowers will be in high demand, likely taking his price range outside Ballard's comfort zone.

[smitty46953]

Report: Chiefs Releasing Veteran OLB Justin Houston

http://bit.ly/2UiaJXu

:cool:

[smitty46953]

Albert Breer‏Verified account @AlbertBreer · 19s19 seconds ago

Source: The Seahawks have franchised DE Frank Clark.

:cool:

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Report: Chiefs Releasing Veteran OLB Justin Houston

http://bit.ly/2UiaJXu

:cool:



Not surprising. Kansas City is trying to get their roster in order for next offseason when they try to extend Patrick Mahomes. They are talking about making him the highest paid QB with the extension.

[Coltsalr]

Report: Chiefs Releasing Veteran OLB Justin Houston

http://bit.ly/2UiaJXu

:cool:

Sign him, Ballard!

(Damn you Smitty beating me to it, I almost started its own separate thread)

[Dewey 5]

Albert Breer‏Verified account @AlbertBreer · 19s19 seconds ago

Source: The Seahawks have franchised DE Frank Clark.

:cool:

Looks like Ballard will be sitting on a big pile of money next year as well.

[smitty46953]

Adam Schefter‏Verified account @AdamSchefter
Falcons placed franchise tag on DT Grady Jarrett, per source.

:cool:

[VeveJones007]

Sign him, Ballard!

(Damn you Smitty beating me to it, I almost started its own separate thread)

I don't think the Colts will be in Houston's market for several reasons:

1) He's already 30.
2) Injury history the last few years.
3) Can he play DE in a 4-3?

I expect the 49ers or Jets to sign Houston.

[VeveJones007]

Rap:
The #Giants are viewed as unlikely to franchise tag safety Landon Collins, sources tell @KimJonesSports and me. They love the player but view the tag number as too high. If this holds, he’s expected to be free.

I would hate to be a Giants fan. Gettleman is killing that franchise.

I expect Ballard to be involved in the bidding, but I could see it going outside his comfort zone.

[Coltsalr]

I would hate to be a Giants fan. Gettleman is killing that franchise.

I expect Ballard to be involved in the bidding, but I could see it going outside his comfort zone.

They did hand Johnathan Hankins stupid money so I do wonder if the perception that they're thrifty might be a bit overblown.

Then again, that could've solidified Ballard's current approach and made him that much more unlikely to make an exception going forward.

[VeveJones007]

They did hand Johnathan Hankins stupid money so I do wonder if the perception that they're thrifty might be a bit overblown.

Then again, that could've solidified Ballard's current approach and made him that much more unlikely to make an exception going forward.

3/$27MM isn't "stupid money." Collins is probably going to command at least 5/$60MM with a lot more in guarantees.

[Coltsalr]

Patriots have released Dwayne Allen saving $7.8 million. Raiders resigned OT Denzelle Good 1 year @ $1.8 million

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He seems to have a strangely robust market for some reason:

The Patriots want to re-sign tight end Dwayne Allen to a lower salary, but they may never get that chance.

Not long after the Patriots made the release of Allen official, four teams lined up visits with Allen for later this week, a source told PFT.

Allen, 29, played 13 games, with eight starts, and made only three catches for 27 yards in 2018. In two seasons with New England, Allen made 13 catches for 113 yards and a touchdown.

But he was a salary-cap casualty, with his release saving the Patriots $7.3 million on their 2019 cap.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/03/04/dwayne-allen-already-has-four-visits-this-week/

[Puck]

Justin Houston anyone?

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/03/04/report-chiefs-releasing-justin-houston/

[Dam8610]

Justin Houston anyone?

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/03/04/report-chiefs-releasing-justin-houston/

For just money and at a reasonable price, yes. Gives the Colts a stopgap in case they're unable to get an edge rusher in the draft.

[Coltsalr]

CJ Mosley anyone?

https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1102688556500377600?s=21

Puck, can you get Twitter embedding on here?

[Dam8610]

Since all the good pass rushers got tagged, does anyone think there's a chance the Colts could go after Anthony Barr as a DE? He was supposed to be a really good pass rusher, but the Vikings chose to use him as an off the ball LB. He has all the traits the Colts look for in a pass rushing DE, mostly he's long and fast, and in the worst case scenario, you could just line him up next to Leonard at LB. Thoughts?

[Dam8610]

CJ Mosley anyone?

https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1102688556500377600?s=21

Puck, can you get Twitter embedding on here?

I'd honestly rather have Kwon Alexander for cheaper. He's a better fit for what the Colts are trying to do.

[apballin]

Maybe Ballard can pull out a trick and move up for sweatt

[Dam8610]

Maybe Ballard can pull out a trick and move up for sweatt

If by "trick", you mean "give up next year's 1", I suppose he could.

[apballin]

If by "trick", you mean "give up next year's 1", I suppose he could.

I’d be ok with that, otherwise we end up with trey Flowers. I’d rather have a young freak athlete for the next 5 years atleast

[Dewey 5]

Ezekiel Ansah could draw some interest.

[smitty46953]

If by "trick", you mean "give up next year's 1", I suppose he could.I hate giving up picks ... [emoji41]

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[Coltsalr]

He seems to have a strangely robust market for some reason:



https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/03/04/dwayne-allen-already-has-four-visits-this-week/

And we’re not amongst them:


According to ESPN's Josina Anderson, the Ravens, Bills, Dolphins and Lions have preliminary interest in meeting with Allen after he was officially released by the Patriots Monday.

[FatDT]

Maybe Ballard can pull out a trick and move up for sweatt

He's not as good as his 40 time. That says more about how insane it is for him to run a low 4.4 at 260 lbs than it does about his play though. He is probably the 4th or 5th best edge rusher in this class behind Nick Bosa, Josh Allen, Brian Burns, maybe Clelin Ferrell.

I wonder if Rennell Wren is an early 2nd round possibility. If Ballard puts any stock in measurables and the Next Gen combine analysis stuff, he ranked #1.

[Coltsalr]

@ArthurArkush
If Dee Ford available for a second-round pick, I'd imagine the #Colts — with an extra 2, league-leading cap room and GM who drafted him — will be his new club soon.


Here’s hoping!

[smitty46953]

@ArthurArkush
If Dee Ford available for a second-round pick, I'd imagine the #Colts — with an extra 2, league-leading cap room and GM who drafted him — will be his new club soon.


Here’s hoping!

Chiefs are switching to a 4-3 from the 3-4 base defense they played last season. If Ford isn't a good fit there going from LB to DE, is it wise to gamble he can do it here? Perhaps Ballard has a better idea, but for one I am skeptical given the Chiefs don't seem to think so... :cool:

[VeveJones007]

Chiefs are switching to a 4-3 from the 3-4 base defense they played last season. If Ford isn't a good fit there going from LB to DE, is it wise to gamble he can do it here? Perhaps Ballard has a better idea, but for one I am skeptical given the Chiefs don't seem to think so... :cool:

I would be very surprised if Ballard traded picks from the top 3 rounds for any player. Seems like he's confident that he can uncover comparable (or better) players in the draft.

[FatDT]

I like Ford just fine but don't want to use a 2nd AND pay him big money to find out if he can play as a down lineman.

[VeveJones007]

I like Ford just fine but don't want to use a 2nd AND pay him big money to find out if he can play as a down lineman.

This + I'm concerned that he'd be a liability against the run

[rcubed]

I would be very surprised if Ballard traded picks from the top 3 rounds for any player. Seems like he's confident that he can uncover comparable (or better) players in the draft.

I like Ford just fine but don't want to use a 2nd AND pay him big money to find out if he can play as a down lineman.


I think what fatdt said is more along the lines of ballards thinking. I doubt ballard gives up a high pick then has to give up big money

[Coltsalr]

@AdamSchefter
A pre-free-agency surprise: Rams released starring inside LB Mark Barron, per league sources.


Not sure how much of an upgrade he’d be over Anthony Walker?

[VeveJones007]

@AdamSchefter
A pre-free-agency surprise: Rams released starring inside LB Mark Barron, per league sources.


Not sure how much of an upgrade he’d be over Anthony Walker?

He isn't a scheme fit for zone MLB.

[JAFF]

Has there been any talk about the Colts and Desir?

[Coltsalr]

@RapSheet
Source: The #Ravens have cut Eric Weddle. Wow.


Well at least there’s another option on the Safety market.

[rcubed]

@RapSheet
Source: The #Ravens have cut Eric Weddle. Wow.


Well at least there’s another option on the Safety market.
How old is he though ?

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

How old is he though ?

Weddle turned 34 in January.

[Coltsalr]

@RapSheet
The Antonio Brown sweepstakes are heating up: Sources say the #Steelers have begun telling teams that this is moving quickly and to give their best offers ASAP. This could wrap up soon. 3 new teams have jumped in the last 48 hours. Meanwhile, #Jets, #AZCardinals are out.


I obviously don’t think the Colts are amongst them, but it bears watching nonetheless.

[Brylok]

Weddle turned 34 in January.
Oy. There goes that possibly. I'm also getting old...

[Chromeburn]

@RapSheet
The Antonio Brown sweepstakes are heating up: Sources say the #Steelers have begun telling teams that this is moving quickly and to give their best offers ASAP. This could wrap up soon. 3 new teams have jumped in the last 48 hours. Meanwhile, #Jets, #AZCardinals are out.


I obviously don’t think the Colts are amongst them, but it bears watching nonetheless.

Not a chance. Ballard basically told one of the local media or Dakich that they were not going after Bell or Brown. Brown especially looks fucking nuts with his blonde mustache. No way does he fit the character of the team. Draft Marquis Brown if we like him so much.

[Coltsalr]

Not a chance. Ballard basically told one of the local media or Dakich that they were not going after Bell or Brown. Brown especially looks fucking nuts with his blonde mustache. No way does he fit the character of the team. Draft Marquis Brown if we like him so much.

Oh I agree, I meant it bears watching to see if he stays in the AFC or goes in our division or if he goes to a team we’re playing in 2019.

[rcubed]

@RapSheet
The Antonio Brown sweepstakes are heating up: Sources say the #Steelers have begun telling teams that this is moving quickly and to give their best offers ASAP. This could wrap up soon. 3 new teams have jumped in the last 48 hours. Meanwhile, #Jets, #AZCardinals are out.


I obviously don’t think the Colts are amongst them, but it bears watching nonetheless.
no it doesnt bear watching. ballard has all but said it isnt happening

[smitty46953]

Antonio Brown will be a cancer regardless of where he goes … :cool:

[Coltsalr]

no it doesnt bear watching. ballard has all but said it isnt happening

See my post above yours. I’m aware he’s not coming to the Colts. My point was that it bears watching WHERE he goes based off what that does for our opposition.

[rcubed]

See my post above yours. I’m aware he’s not coming to the Colts. My point was that it bears watching WHERE he goes based off what that does for our opposition.
nope, not for me.

[Chromeburn]

Oh I agree, I meant it bears watching to see if he stays in the AFC or goes in our division or if he goes to a team we’re playing in 2019.

Ideally, I think the Steelers want him out of the AFC all together. They certainly won't send him to a potential AFC playoff team.

[Coltsalr]

Darian Stewart to hit the open market as a SS.

Still think we should blank check Landon Collins (Jets shouldn’t be competition for him with them already having Jamal Adams) but it’s nice to know there will be other decent options out there as well.

[Coltsalr]

Ideally, I think the Steelers want him out of the AFC all together. They certainly won't send him to a potential AFC playoff team.

https://www.fanduel.com/theduel/posts/6301405-nfl-execs-predict-surprise-landing-spot-for-antonio-brown

This came out today that the Chiefs might be a potential spot. I’ll beleive that when I see it.

[VeveJones007]

Rumors flying around that the Browns are pushing for OBJ. Zeitler + picks + another player.

[smitty46953]

Some idiot on twitter just wants to trade our first 3 picks for OBJ... Some of these guys are nuts :eek:

[Luck4Reich]

Some idiot on twitter just wants to trade our first 3 picks for OBJ... Some of these guys are nuts :eek:

Dude should be committed. Hes fucking batshit crazy.

[Racehorse]

Antonio Brown will be a cancer regardless of where he goes … :cool:

He needs to take that cancer to NE

[rcubed]

He needs to take that cancer to NE
werent there similar thoughts when moss went there....

[Coltsalr]

@RapSheet
From Up to the Minute: The #Dolphins have had trade conversations about pass-rusher Robert Quinn, who could be released for salary reasons if they don't find a partner. Another productive pass-rusher potentially on the market.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1103726165515214854


Robert Quinn anyone?

[sherck]

@RapSheet
From Up to the Minute: The #Dolphins have had trade conversations about pass-rusher Robert Quinn, who could be released for salary reasons if they don't find a partner. Another productive pass-rusher potentially on the market.

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1103726165515214854


Robert Quinn anyone?
Not the dominating performer like he was earlier in his career (19.0 sacks, 34 QB hits, 23 TFL, 57 tackles in 2013).

Played 30 of 32 games in 2017/2018 turning in an average of 7.5 sacks, 13 QB Hits, 9 TFL and 35 tackles over those two seasons.

Nice situational piece to help younger kids develop but NOT the premier pass rusher that is going to fuel our front seven.

At a cap hit of $12.932m for 2019 (and UFA in 2020), I would say no to a trade. Wait to see if MIA releases him and get him for less or just keep Sheard for 2019 as the Elder Statesman.

Walk Worthy,

[FatDT]

Was Quinn a DE or OLB that year he had so many sacks?

[VeveJones007]

Was Quinn a DE or OLB that year he had so many sacks?

Rams were a 4-3 back then with Quinn and Long at the ends.

[FatDT]

Interesting.

I wouldn't trade for him. I'd maybe kick the tires once he's released though.

[Racehorse]

werent there similar thoughts when moss went there....

They are not the same type of cancer, are they?

[rcubed]

I hate the term “legal tampering.” Either teams are allowed to talk to free agents or they are not.

[Butter]

Interesting.

I wouldn't trade for him. I'd maybe kick the tires once he's released though.

I agree, certainly not at 12 million, but at a more team friendly price, I would be interested.

[Coltsalr]

The #Giants are trading LB Olivier Vernon to the #Browns, sources tell me and @RapSheet.


Take one off the board.

[Coltsalr]

@JosinaAnderson
I'm told #Jaguars DT Malik Jackson was been informed he will be released as early as today, per source.

[Coltsalr]

@RapSheet
S Tashaun Gipson has also been released, source said. Carlos Hyde, Malik Jackson, Gipson.


AFAIK, he’s pretty decent. Could be another clearance rack option if they fail to sign Landon Collins.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

@RapSheet
S Tashaun Gipson has also been released, source said. Carlos Hyde, Malik Jackson, Gipson.




The "Nick Foles" effect is taking place in Jax.

[sherck]

The "Nick Foles" effect is taking place in Jax.
Indeed.

With the generated dead money from the cuts combined with their expected spending on spots 52/53, PS and churn, it appears that JAX is sitting on about $23m that can be used to sign new free agents.

That gets Foles signed but does not provide the cap space to sign any of their outgoing FAs to include:

DT Malik Jackson
TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins
T.J. Yeldon
FS Tashaun Gipson
WR Donte Moncrief
RT Jermey Parnell

They can probably RFA tag their starting LG in Chris Reed, however, if they want.

The beginning of the end for this ear of JAX Jaguars.

Walk Worthy,

[Chromeburn]

The #Giants are trading LB Olivier Vernon to the #Browns, sources tell me and @RapSheet.


Take one off the board.

Decent trade for both. Corbett is probably ready to step up for the Browns. I wonder if the Browns regret not taking Chubb though.

[JAFF]

I hate the term “legal tampering.” Either teams are allowed to talk to free agents or they are not.

there's a reason why there are too many lawyers in this country

[VeveJones007]

there's a reason why there are too many lawyers in this country

Yeah, personal liberty isn’t worth these types of consequences.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Patriots have released Dwayne Allen saving $7.8 million.


Dwayne Allen will sign a 2 year, $7MM deal with the Miami Dolphins.

He follows Brian Flores to south Florida.


https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1104449921632096257

[smitty46953]

Dwayne Allen will sign a 2 year, $7MM deal with the Miami Dolphins.

He follows Brian Flores to south Florida.


https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1104449921632096257

Good deal always liked him … :cool:

[smitty46953]

Ian Rapoport‏Verified account @RapSheet · 7m7 minutes ago

The Antonio Brown saga is finally nearing a close. Sources say the #Steelers are dealing AB to the #Raiders in exchange for a third round pick and a fifth round pick in this 2019 draft. Brown will also get a reworked contract that makes him the NFL’s highest paid WR.

Adam Schefter‏Verified account @AdamSchefter · 3m3 minutes ago
Raiders are adding money to Antonio Brown’s deal: He now will have three years worth $50.125 million - with incentives to go to $54.125 million, per source.

Where there was no guaranteed money there’s now $30.125 million guaranteed, per source.

:cool:

[Brylok]

Ian Rapoport‏Verified account @RapSheet · 7m7 minutes ago

The Antonio Brown saga is finally nearing a close. Sources say the #Steelers are dealing AB to the #Raiders in exchange for a third round pick and a fifth round pick in this 2019 draft. Brown will also get a reworked contract that makes him the NFL’s highest paid WR.

Adam Schefter‏Verified account @AdamSchefter · 3m3 minutes ago
Raiders are adding money to Antonio Brown’s deal: He now will have three years worth $50.125 million - with incentives to go to $54.125 million, per source.

Where there was no guaranteed money there’s now $30.125 million guaranteed, per source.

:cool:

I'm so glad we didn't hire John Gruden

[Voosh]

I'm so glad we didn't hire John Gruden

No doubt. He trades Mack away then picks up AB with Carr throwing to him.

[Dam8610]

I'm so glad we didn't hire John Gruden

What?! So many here wanted him...

[Coltsalr]

What?! So many here wanted him...

Still would’ve been an upgrade over your wet dream hero.

[Chromeburn]

What?! So many here wanted him...

At the time he was a better option. But I think it all worked out for the best. And I didn't want him after hearing all the crap that happened in Tampa.

[Dam8610]

At the time he was a better option. But I think it all worked out for the best. And I didn't want him after hearing all the crap that happened in Tampa.

I don't know about being a better option. Trading Khalil Mack is a really dumb idea.

[Chromeburn]

I don't know about being a better option. Trading Khalil Mack is a really dumb idea.

I think he is a better coach than Pagano. I don't think he wanted to trade Mack, he tried to keep him. But he did get pretty good compensation for him. Look at the Giants who could have traded Collins, now he leaves and they will just get a compensation pick. Gruden is going full rebuild aiming for a good team when they hit Vegas.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

I think he is a better coach than Pagano


That is not a very high bar to meet.

There are lots of head coaches who are better than Pagano.

[JAFF]

I think he is a better coach than Pagano. I don't think he wanted to trade Mack, he tried to keep him. But he did get pretty good compensation for him. Look at the Giants who could have traded Collins, now he leaves and they will just get a compensation pick. Gruden is going full rebuild aiming for a good team when they hit Vegas.

My 9 year old grand son would be a better coach then Pagano.

[Chromeburn]

My 9 year old grand son would be a better coach then Pagano.

That is not a very high bar to meet.

There are lots of head coaches who are better than Pagano.

I know, and that was why Colts fans were interested in Gruden. He was the biggest name at the time.

[smitty46953]

Gary Klein‏Verified account @LATimesklein

Rams announce they have agreed to terms with edge rusher Dante Fowler

:cool:

[smitty46953]

Raiders re-signed DT Jonathan Hankins to a two-year contract.


Hankins started 14 games for the Raiders last year after experiencing a surprisingly quiet market following his mid-March release from the Colts. Only 27, Hankins was serviceable against the run on 573 snaps in Oakland but offered very little up the middle from a pass rushing perspective. He's ranked No. 22 overall among interior defensive linemen in Evan Silva's Free Agent Tracker.

Source: Adam Schefter on Twitter

‎Mar‎ ‎10‎, ‎2019‎ ‎7‎:‎48‎ ‎PM

:cool:

[Coltsalr]

I think he is a better coach than Pagano. I don't think he wanted to trade Mack, he tried to keep him. But he did get pretty good compensation for him. Look at the Giants who could have traded Collins, now he leaves and they will just get a compensation pick. Gruden is going full rebuild aiming for a good team when they hit Vegas.

And I mean, if we look at what he got:

Net for the 3 major Raiders trades.

Raiders give up:

Khalil Mack
Amari Cooper
2019 3rd round
2019 5th round
2020 2nd round
2020 6th round

In exchange for:

Antonio Brown
2019 1st round
2019 1st round
2020 1st round
2020 2nd round
2020 5th round

He's already managed to turn Amari Cooper into Antonio Brown

If he turns Khalil Mack into Quinnen Williams and Montez Sweat, then it's possible he's upgraded there too.

And he'd still be sitting on a SLEW of draft picks from there.

Now, yes, I will agree that it's entirely possible that he still manages to fuck it up. But right now, it looks like there could be a method to his madness.

[Colt Classic]

My 9 year old grand son would be a better coach then Pagano.

Maybe...has he been taught that iron sharpens iron?

[Coltsalr]

@JasonLaCanfora
Will be a ton of action on pass rushers this week. DET and MIA are big on Flowers. Hear IND, OAK, SF, NYJ among those courting Z. Smith. Some Ravens players think Suggs heading to AZ. Cam Wake could be in line for $10M/yr or more.

[smitty46953]

Lions signed Danny Amendola to a one-year, $4.5 million contract.


Cut by the Dolphins last week, Amendola was linked with a return to New England, but he instead signs with Patriots North -- GM Bob Quinn and coach Matt Patricia both made their names in New England. It is not a blockbuster signing for the Lions, but they needed someone to occupy the middle of the field with Marvin Jones and Kenny Golladay on the outside. Even at 33, Amendola should be able to handle that job for one season.

Source: Dianna Russini on Twitter

‎Mar‎ ‎11‎, ‎2019‎ ‎8‎:‎18‎ ‎AM

:cool:

[VeveJones007]

And I mean, if we look at what he got:



He's already managed to turn Amari Cooper into Antonio Brown

If he turns Khalil Mack into Quinnen Williams and Montez Sweat, then it's possible he's upgraded there too.

And he'd still be sitting on a SLEW of draft picks from there.

Now, yes, I will agree that it's entirely possible that he still manages to fuck it up. But right now, it looks like there could be a method to his madness.

Are you saying the Raiders will move up for Sweat? No way he lasts until 24.

[Dam8610]

And I mean, if we look at what he got:



He's already managed to turn Amari Cooper into Antonio Brown

If he turns Khalil Mack into Quinnen Williams and Montez Sweat, then it's possible he's upgraded there too.

And he'd still be sitting on a SLEW of draft picks from there.

Now, yes, I will agree that it's entirely possible that he still manages to fuck it up. But right now, it looks like there could be a method to his madness.

Quinnen Williams won't last to 4 and Montez Sweat won't last to 24. If the Cardinals actually take Murray, they could get Nick Bosa and Christian Wilkins. If Bosa lives up to the hype, that might be better overall, but that takes you from certainty to uncertainty.

[VeveJones007]

Quinnen Williams won't last to 4 and Montez Sweat won't last to 24. If the Cardinals actually take Murray, they could get Nick Bosa and Christian Wilkins. If Bosa lives up to the hype, that might be better overall, but that takes you from certainty to uncertainty.

I don't understand how you see Bosa potentially falling to 4, but not Williams. No way Bosa goes past SF at 2. I could see Williams dropping to 4 if the Jets move out (Giants moving up for Haskins?) or if the Jets decide they like Allen better.

[Chromeburn]

And I mean, if we look at what he got:

He's already managed to turn Amari Cooper into Antonio Brown

If he turns Khalil Mack into Quinnen Williams and Montez Sweat, then it's possible he's upgraded there too.

And he'd still be sitting on a SLEW of draft picks from there.

Now, yes, I will agree that it's entirely possible that he still manages to fuck it up. But right now, it looks like there could be a method to his madness.


Cooper was mailing it in for them so I am not surprised they traded him. They get a better receiver albeit an older one and a 1st round pick. Brown is kind of nuts, but he will play hard.

Brown will be the number one for a few years while they groom some young guys. They can dump him in two years if they want to. Brown doesn't take a lot of hits so he should be able to play for a little while.

Mack was a bad loss, but if the Cardinals pick that short QB the Raiders will get one of the top three defenders, probably Allen. But the Jets should take Allen because he fits their D better leaving Williams for the Raiders. Williams would be a waste as a 5-tech end and even more of a waste at NT. Then they have the other 1st round picks which they might trade down with like Gruden said he wanted to.

They still have to pick good players, but they have an excellent opportunity to build for the future.

[Coltsalr]

Are you saying the Raiders will move up for Sweat? No way he lasts until 24.

Yes, purely hypothetical, but with their two other 1st rounders, they'd have the ammo to go up and get him.

I was throwing him out there purely as hypothetical. Any other edge rusher they could go up to get would work.

[Coltsalr]

Cooper was mailing it in for them so I am not surprised they traded him. They get a better receiver albeit an older one and a 1st round pick. Brown is kind of nuts, but he will play hard.

Brown will be the number one for a few years while they groom some young guys. They can dump him in two years if they want to. Brown doesn't take a lot of hits so he should be able to play for a little while.

Mack was a bad loss, but if the Cardinals pick that short QB the Raiders will get one of the top three defenders, probably Allen. But the Jets should take Allen because he fits their D better leaving Williams for the Raiders. Williams would be a waste as a 5-tech end and even more of a waste at NT. Then they have the other 1st round picks which they might trade down with like Gruden said he wanted to.

They still have to pick good players, but they have an excellent opportunity to build for the future.

Yup, I think that if they play their cards right that they could turn in something quite good.

Sort of like how the Colts had a free shot at Bradley Chubb last year, and while some argued that the Colts passing him up while having pass rush deficiencies was unforgivable, look at what the Jets bounty brought Ballard (and will still bring him in 2019 draft).

Gruden absolutely could still fuck it up though, do not get me wrong.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Malik Jackson to Eagles - 3 year contract for $30MM

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1105124101591650304


Obviously, Malik wanted out of the AFC South to get away from Big Q!!!! :D

[Dam8610]

I don't understand how you see Bosa potentially falling to 4, but not Williams. No way Bosa goes past SF at 2. I could see Williams dropping to 4 if the Jets move out (Giants moving up for Haskins?) or if the Jets decide they like Allen better.

I don't see Williams dropping past 2. Bosa has the most question marks of the top 3 DL/EDGE guys, and I could easily see Williams and Allen going 2 and 3 after Murray if he goes 1. Williams should go 1, of course, but the Cardinals have an odd strategy it seems.

[Chaka]

Yup, I think that if they play their cards right that they could turn in something quite good.

Sort of like how the Colts had a free shot at Bradley Chubb last year, and while some argued that the Colts passing him up while having pass rush deficiencies was unforgivable, look at what the Jets bounty brought Ballard (and will still bring him in 2019 draft).

Gruden absolutely could still fuck it up though, do not get me wrong.

Signing a disgruntled 31-year old receiver to a 3-year $54 million contract, with $30 million guaranteed, seems like a very Raiders-like thing to do.

[VeveJones007]

I don't see Williams dropping past 2. Bosa has the most question marks of the top 3 DL/EDGE guys, and I could easily see Williams and Allen going 2 and 3 after Murray if he goes 1. Williams should go 1, of course, but the Cardinals have an odd strategy it seems.

49ers need at EDGE trumps your view of Williams as the better player.

[Dam8610]

49ers need at EDGE trumps your view of Williams as the better player.

Not if what they're looking for is pass rush.

[Coltsalr]

@JasonLaCanfora
Tyrell Williams remains, far and set away the best outside WR available on the FA market, and, to many evaluators, the only true starter at that spot. IND, CLE, NYJ, BUF among those linked to him. OAK was very much before landing AB.

[VeveJones007]

Kwon Alexander to 49ers for 4/54MM ($27MM guaranteed). Wow that’s a nice deal for him. Market looks pretty high at the moment.

[Coltsalr]

Kwon Alexander to 49ers for 4/54MM ($27MM guaranteed). Wow that’s a nice deal for him. Market looks pretty high at the moment.

I'd imagine we'll be priced right out of CJ Mosley.

[Dam8610]

Kwon Alexander to 49ers for 4/54MM ($27MM guaranteed). Wow that’s a nice deal for him. Market looks pretty high at the moment.

Damn, I thought he'd go for a bargain. Barr and Mosley are going to get PAID.

[VeveJones007]

I'd imagine we'll be priced right out of CJ Mosley.

Agreed, though I always expected that. The upgrade from Walker to Mosley is marginal (at best) and not worth the contract.

[VeveJones007]

Damn, I thought he'd go for a bargain. Barr and Mosley are going to get PAID.

Sounds to me like you haven't paid enough attention to the 49ers and Jets. Those two teams are going to spend a boatload this free agency. Mosley is probably a Jet for 4/60-70 now.