Official 2017 NFL Draft Discussion Thread

[Butter]

And Butler can go back to nickel

Nothing wrong with that.

[Luck4Reich]

Head scratcher there.

Well.... I really love the pick now.

[FatDT]

Allen must be in bad shape physically.

I would still be happy to trade back up into the first.

[Brylok]

I wanted a pass-rusher but I'm fine with this.

[YDFL Commish]

Head scratcher there.

The way things are going, I believe you are right.

[smitty46953]

Needed, but feel like we needed CB or edge must more. Don't love a Saftey so much right now.

I agree, rather have Allen or Foster am good with Hooker but he was poor tackler at Ohio State ... Great ball hawk though ... :cool:

[FatDT]

No OL taken yet.

[falloutboy14]

Some good pass-rushers in the 2nd. Hookers one of the most talented players in the draft. It's a good year to not need offensive talent.

[Puck]

Gil Brandt had him as the 6th overall talent. Ahead of Allen

[Coltsalr]

Wow. love it


From Gil Brandt

You should. He's being hyped as a Safety that's athletic enough to cover the slot guy.

[Dam8610]

BPA. not sure why it makes you scratch your head.

Because it's not BPA. He's coming off a huge injury and has limited playing experience. I hope he works out to be Earl Thomas, but he carries a huge amount of risk for the 15th overall pick.

[smitty46953]

Ravens select CB Marlon Humphrey with the 16th pick, :cool:

[Puck]

I agree, rather have Allen or Foster am good with Hooker but he was poor tackler at Ohio State ... Great ball hawk though ... :cool:

Allen and Foster with medical questions. I think we are gonna get a great player in round 2 tomorrow

[smitty46953]

FWIW:

Brian Billick‏Verified account
@CoachBillick

Malik Hooker may be closest thing to Ed Reed in ball hawking skills that I've seen on college tape...but thats getting a little previous.

:cool:

[Puck]

You should. He's being hyped as a Safety that's athletic enough to cover the slot guy.


Hooker and Geathers at safety with Butler back in the slot solved 2 positions.

Green better figure his shit out because he is looking uphill at ever starting now

[Dam8610]

You should. He's being hyped as a Safety that's athletic enough to cover the slot guy.

He'd have to show he has availability, first. It's the best ability.

[smitty46953]

Allen and Foster with medical questions. I think we are gonna get a great player in round 2 tomorrow

Lot of talent left ... :cool:

[rcubed]

If he is reed 2.0, then I am ok with that!

[Puck]

FWIW:

Brian Billick‏Verified account
@CoachBillick

Malik Hooker may be closest thing to Ed Reed in ball hawking skills that I've seen on college tape...but thats getting a little previous.

:cool:


At first thought this is a Pags pick. Hope he doesn't fuck him up

[Dam8610]

FWIW:

Brian Billick‏Verified account
@CoachBillick

Malik Hooker may be closest thing to Ed Reed in ball hawking skills that I've seen on college tape...but thats getting a little previous.

:cool:

Must not have watched Earl Thomas's tape.

[apballin]

I likeit move Butlerback to CB, now we got our Ed Reed

[rcubed]

butler must be pissed

[Butter]

Must not have watched Earl Thomas's tape.

Then maybe you should before you comment. Oh Snap!

[smitty46953]

Allen goes to WAshington ... :cool:

[smitty46953]

Allen goes to WAshington ... :cool:

Damn I wish we had him too ... :cool:

[DrSpaceman]

I am hoping its not TJ Green 2.0

Shocked with Allen and Foster from Alabama there, we go for a safety.

[smitty46953]

butler must be pissed

Butler signed a 1 year contract wasn't it ? :cool:

[smitty46953]

Ohio State Safety as was Mike Doss ? Is Omaha wacking it ??? :eek:

[Puck]

i am hoping its not tj green 2.0

shocked with allen and foster from alabama there, we go for a safety.

bpa. Ballard said he wont pick need over BPA

[Chromeburn]

I like it. Good pick. He should not have been available.

[smitty46953]

Titans take CB Adoree Jackson from USC good pick to bad he is a Titan now ... :cool:

[FatDT]

Tennessee is screwing up this first round.

[smitty46953]

Could the Colts trade back into the first round? :cool:

[smitty46953]

Where is Sherck ? :cool:

[Indiana V2]

Dang, Adoree Jackson to the flaming tacks.

[IndyNorm]

I am hoping its not TJ Green 2.0

Shocked with Allen and Foster from Alabama there, we go for a safety.

Based on the ESPN folks (so taken with a grain of salt) it sounds like he's the opposite of Green: can cover but is a shitty tackler. Plus it sounds like he gets hurt a lot. Would've much rather have seen Allen or Foster there, but guessing their injury and Foster's off the field issues might have scared us off :cool:

[FatDT]

Could the Colts trade back into the first round? :cool:

I'd like to. Lots of pass rushers available but they can disappear fast.

[smitty46953]

I gotta hope Foster falls into 2nd round ... :cool: Dreaming

[smitty46953]

Zak Keefer‏Verified account
@zkeefer

Pagano on the safety competition: "Man sharpens man, iron sharpens iron."

He's on his game, even in the offseason.

:cool: hahaha where does Pagano get this shit?

[VeveJones007]

#7 on Brandt's board and #6 on Matt Miller's. Here's Miller's breakdown:

POSITIVES

Malik Hooker started just one year at Ohio State, but in that time, he showed he was among the more natural playmakers I've ever seen at free safety. Hooker has unreal range playing center fielder and was all over the field, notching seven interceptions in 2016 with four passes defensed. He made plays reading the pass and jumping to get over the top that are reminiscent of Earl Thomas.

His speed and his reaction time are off the charts. Hooker flies to the ball and can flip the field with his excellent hands and leaping ability. He's so fast to flip open his hips and change direction in the open field. His body control, patience and burst are those of an elite NFL playmaker.

Hooker has the tools of a top-five NFL safety early in his career. With his athletic gifts, instincts and tools as a playmaker, we should see Hooker routinely rank in the top of the league in interceptions and passes defensed. And with his three touchdowns on interception returns in 2016, it wouldn't be a surprise to see Hooker leading the league in defensive touchdowns.



NEGATIVES

Hooker has battled injuries and is sitting out the 2017 predraft process with a torn hip labrum and a double sports hernia. The Ohio State secondary was loaded in his first two seasons with the Buckeyes, but his inability to get on the field more in 2015 is worth questioning. A former basketball player, Hooker can be a little soft at the point of attack. Scouts should question if he's a one-year wonder on a loaded defense or a truly transcendent talent like the film and stats show.



PRO COMPARISON: Earl Thomas, Seattle Seahawks

FINAL GRADE: 7.50/9.00 (Pro Bowl Potential—Top-10 Pick)

[Butter]

Zak Keefer‏Verified account
@zkeefer

Pagano on the safety competition: "Man sharpens man, iron sharpens iron."

He's on his game, even in the offseason.

:cool: hahaha where does Pagano get this shit?

Can we fire this douchebag yet?

[smitty46953]

Jameis Winston has some weapons O.J. Howard, Mike Evans,DeSean Jackson :cool:

[smitty46953]

Can we fire this douchebag yet?

I wish can we trade him for a pick ? :cool:

[Dewey 5]

Zak Keefer‏Verified account
@zkeefer

Pagano on the safety competition: "Man sharpens man, iron sharpens iron."

He's on his game, even in the offseason.

:cool: hahaha where does Pagano get this shit?

clap clap calp

[smitty46953]

clap clap calp

Good one ... :cool:

[Puck]

Where is Sherck ? :cool:

Concert

[smitty46953]

Broncos select Utah OT Garett Bolles first OL off board ... :cool:

[njcoltfan]

I wish can we trade him for a pick ? :cool:

How many picks would we have to give up to get rid of him??

[smitty46953]

Florida LB Jarrad Davis to the Lions at next ? :cool:

[daedge]

Foster keeps on sliding.

[smitty46953]

How many picks would we have to give up to get rid of him??

Next years first? :eek:

[Puck]

Because it's not BPA. He's coming off a huge injury and has limited playing experience. I hope he works out to be Earl Thomas, but he carries a huge amount of risk for the 15th overall pick.

Who was BPA Other than Allen with an injury?

[smitty46953]

Foster keeps on sliding.

His combine antics and piss test killed him ... :cool:

[omahacolt]

Where is Sherck ? :cool:

Hopefully the gym

[HoosierinFL]

Ballard said he wanted defenders with ball skills, ability to create turnovers, so our pick really isn't much of a surprise.

[VeveJones007]

I would not be opposed to using one of those 4ths to move up in Rd 2 to get a guy who falls (e.g. Foster, Harris, Takk).

[smitty46953]

Ohio State Safety as was Mike Doss ? Is Omaha wacking it ??? :eek:

You finished ??? :cool:

[Indiana V2]

Davis to the Lions.

[VeveJones007]

Ballard said he wanted defenders with ball skills, ability to create turnovers, so our pick really isn't much of a surprise.

Yep, and he was a top 10 pick on the boards of analysts I trust. Clear BPA.

[Butter]

Concert
One Direction?

[Indiana V2]

You finished ??? :cool:

Give the man some time, he had to find his Viagra.

[DrSpaceman]

So now we have an inexperienced safety who can tackle but not cover and an inexperienced safety who can cover but not tackle.

Great combo

[Dewey 5]

I'm a little surprised that Peppers is still on the board. I don't want him but I figured he would be gone by now.

[smitty46953]

Lot of talent left on my board .... :cool:

Reuben Foster ILB Alabama
Ryan Ramczyk OT Wisconsin
Taco Charlton DE Michigan
Dalvin Cook RB Florida State
David Njoku TE Miami (Fla.)
Gareon Conley CB Ohio State
T.J. Watt OLB Wisconsin
Malik McDowell DT Michigan State
Kevin King CB Washington
Chidobe Awuzie CB Colorado
Forrest Lamp OG Western Kentucky
Jabrill Peppers SS Michigan
Takkarist McKinley OLB UCLA
Cam Robinson OT Alabama

[Indiana V2]

So now we have an inexperienced safety who can tackle but not cover and an inexperienced safety who can cover but not tackle.

Great combo

Together they make one heckuva Safety.

[VeveJones007]

I'm a little surprised that Peppers is still on the board. I don't want him but I figured he would be gone by now.

Your sample is dilute.

[Butter]

So now we have an inexperienced safety who can tackle but not cover and an inexperienced safety who can cover but not tackle.

Great combo

Once Hooker gets injured we will surgically merge them.

[VeveJones007]

So now we have an inexperienced safety who can tackle but not cover and an inexperienced safety who can cover but not tackle.

Great combo

Ed Reed was never considered a great tackler. Where'd that get him?

[DragonTails]

I am hoping its not TJ Green 2.0

Shocked with Allen and Foster from Alabama there, we go for a safety.

This is why we suck. Build the gd trenches with studs.

[smitty46953]

Malik Hooker‏Verified account @MalikHooker24 · 2m2 minutes ago

Perks of watching the #NFLDraft from home - already playing as myself in @EAMaddenNFL!!! Let’s go @Colts

:cool: Thats neat

[daedge]

His combine antics and piss test killed him ... :cool:

For sure. You think he drops into the second round?

[smitty46953]

Zak Keefer‏Verified account
@zkeefer
Malik Hooker: "When I saw the Indianapolis area code pop up I got excited because the Colts used to be my favorite team growing up."

:cool:

[Puck]

For sure. You think he drops into the second round?

TJ Watt might be there

[YDFL Commish]

I can't believe I'm saying this...but there will quality pass rushers on the board in the 2nd, and the Colts may have to think about trading up to get them.

[Luck4Reich]

Malik Hooker‏Verified account @MalikHooker24 · 2m2 minutes ago

Perks of watching the #NFLDraft from home - already playing as myself in @EAMaddenNFL!!! Let’s go @Colts

:cool: Thats neat

Hope he didn't get hurt playing himself.

[daedge]

TJ Watt might be there

I'd be happy with that.

[VeveJones007]

I can't believe I'm saying this...but there will quality pass rushers on the board in the 2nd, and the Colts may have to think about trading up to get them.

I'm okay with that.

[smitty46953]

For sure. You think he drops into the second round?

I can only hope so !!! :cool:

[Chromeburn]

Damn I wish we had him too ... :cool:

Ehh a big man with Arthitis issues is not what you want to spend your 1st on.

[smitty46953]

I can't believe I'm saying this...but there will quality pass rushers on the board in the 2nd, and the Colts may have to think about trading up to get them.

I am good with that ... :cool:

[smitty46953]

Ehh a big man with Arthitis issues is not what you want to spend your 1st on.

Heck of a pass rusher :cool:

[smitty46953]

Raiders will take CB Conley or LB Foster :cool:

[Butter]

Of course, the raiders take Conley.

[Indiana V2]

Not surprised Raiders would take Conley.

[smitty46953]

The life of a young man will be ruined tonight.

Years of hard work. Wasted.
Years of potential. Gone.

The Cleveland Browns select... ??? :eek:

[Luck4Reich]

Browns trade 25th pick to Colts for Trent Richardson before they realize he is no longer with Colts.

[Horse]

I wanted a pass-rusher but I'm fine with this.

My sentiments exactly.

[smitty46953]

Hey dam' does this help ? :cool:

Kevin Bowen‏Verified account @KBowenColts · 13s14 seconds ago
Malik Hooker, 21, grew up a Colts fan (loved Joseph Addai).

[Luck4Reich]

Hey dam' does this help ? :cool:

Kevin Bowen‏Verified account @KBowenColts · 13s14 seconds ago
Malik Hooker, 21, grew up a Colts fan (loved Joseph Addai).

Still scratching his head

[smitty46953]

The life of a young man will be ruined tonight.

Years of hard work. Wasted.
Years of potential. Gone.

The Cleveland Browns select... ??? :eek:

Sorry Jabrill Peppers ... :cool:

[Indiana V2]

Peppers to the Browns. So much talent to be wasted in Cleveland.

[smitty46953]

This site must have cleared out after our pick, lazy bastids ... :cool:

[Luck4Reich]

This site must have cleared out after our pick, lazy bastids ... :cool:

Or... half are beating their meat and half are beating their dog.

[Luck4Reich]

Trade... what did Atl give up?

[Indiana V2]

Or... half are beating their meat and half are beating their dog.

Lol.

[Luck4Reich]

Shit

[Indiana V2]

Tak gone.

[Puck]

Shut up Tak

[smitty46953]

Trade... what did Atl give up?

Seattle trades 26 for Falcons' No. 31 and 3rd (95), 7th (249)

get Takkarist McKinley great choice for Falcons :cool:

[Puck]

Shut up Takk

[Puck]

Glad we didn't pick him.

[smitty46953]

Shut up Takk

IQ ? :cool:

[Luck4Reich]

Glad we didn't pick him.

What is he saying?lol

[smitty46953]

Glad we didn't pick him.

Has a ton of talent and never takes a break, not to bright it seems or is just overcome with emotion. :cool:

[Indiana V2]

IQ ? :cool:

Seems okay to me.

[Dewey 5]

Tak gone.

Good. Not only is he a moron but he just isn't all that.

[Puck]

What is he saying?lol


Just yelling and talking stupid shit. Said fuck into the mic Then said I don't care fine me fine me

He was carrying a pic of his grandma who died. Saying he did it for her had had a yada.

Attention whore IMO

[omahacolt]

Black dude emotional and dropping f bombs and white people hate it.

Mcafee does it and he is kooky and funny

[Luck4Reich]

Good. Not only is he a moron but he just isn't all that.

At first I thought you said he was a Mormon lol

[smitty46953]

Ballard: on if the draft went as he expected? "No. Absolutely not." Said they brought Hooker in for a visit pre-draft just in case he fell.

Ballard: "I thought Hooker was the best athlete in the draft." Emphasises he thought Colts really needed defensive playmakers.

:cool:

[Puck]

Has a ton of talent and never takes a break, not to bright it seems or is just overcome with emotion. :cool:


Yea I get the emotion part. Shows me he can't control it

[Butter]

Black dude emotional and dropping f bombs and white people hate it.

Mcafee does it and he is kooky and funny

What? Mcafee never did anything that weird.

[Puck]

Black dude emotional and dropping f bombs and white people hate it.

Mcafee does it and he is kooky and funny

Don't be that stupid.

[daedge]

The Browns have traded back into the first round with the Packers.

That's three first round picks for Cleveland.

[smitty46953]

Buffalo Bills select LSU CB Tre'Davious White :cool:

[Butter]

Don't be that stupid.

He jumped the shark.

[Puck]

I have not seen anyone picked after us that I would have rather had. Crazy how far Foster is falling . GM's obviously are all on the same page on this.

[smitty46953]

Cowboys take Taco Charlton from Michigan :cool:

[Luck4Reich]

The Browns have traded back into the first round with the Packers.

That's three first round picks for Cleveland.

Just think... they could have all 32 first round picks and still be fuck ups.

[smitty46953]

If Browns don't take Watt i bet Steelers do ... :cool:

[Luck4Reich]

If Browns don't take Watt i bet Steelers do ... :cool:

Noooooooooo

[Butter]

Not sure if he was a good pick, but I sure wanted to cheer for Taco. Fitting he will play in Texico.

[VeveJones007]

If Browns don't take Watt i bet Steelers do ... :cool:

Njoku

[VeveJones007]

I'm not sure a high ceiling pass rusher will make it to 2.14.

[smitty46953]

If Browns don't take Watt i bet Steelers do ... :cool:

Browns take Miami TE David Njoku, almost certain Watt is a Steeler ... :cool:

[Butter]

Wow Cleveland, cool pick! who how is going to throw to him? Sigh. Browns gonna Brown.

[smitty46953]

Wow Cleveland, cool pick! Now who is going to throw to him? Sigh. Browns gonna Brown.

hahaha ... :cool:

[Indiana V2]

Njoku

Good for Cleveland.

[smitty46953]

Atlanta Falcons: "Yeah we'd like to return him and get a refund." :cool:

[Indiana V2]

Browns take Miami TE David Njoku, almost certain Watt is a Steeler ... :cool:

This saddens me.

[Puck]

Ruben Foster. Grade 6.3
Dalvin Cook. 6.2
Malik McDowell. 6.2
Forest Lamp. 6.2
Ryan Ramczyk. 6.2



Next highest graded players on the board on NFL.COM.

[smitty46953]

This saddens me.

Just a guess but need a pass rusher ... :cool:

[smitty46953]

Niners get #31 ? Foster I bet :cool:

[VeveJones007]

Wow, Niners got Thomas, Foster, and a couple 3rds.

[smitty46953]

SF traded second- and fourth-round picks to Seattle to move up to No. 31 :cool:

[daedge]

Watt is off the board. Filthy Steelers nab him.

[Indiana V2]

Aw, crap!

[VeveJones007]

I'm guessing corner in Rd 2.

[smitty46953]

Browns take Miami TE David Njoku, almost certain Watt is a Steeler ... :cool:

That pick kinda figured, Watt a Steeler, they needed pass rush. :cool:

[smitty46953]

I'm guessing corner in Rd 2.

Probably ... :cool:

[smitty46953]

Niners GM John Lynch having heck of a day, either pretty good at this or has good staff working for him ... Solomon Thomas and Reuben Foster. Their D just got a lot better and added picks to boot... :cool:

[Indiana V2]

As I said earlier, the 49ers are winning this draft.

[Luck4Reich]

Did we totally miss out on pash rusher or anything left?

[smitty46953]

As I said earlier, the 49ers are winning this draft.

Dealing with the Chicago Browns, I mean Bears helped a lot ... That trade still baffles me? :cool:

[Indiana V2]

I'm liking he Hooker pick more and more, hopefully tomorrow is another successful draft day.

[smitty46953]

Did we totally miss out on pash rusher or anything left?

Not much left IMHO ... :cool:

[smitty46953]

Wisconsin OT Ryan Ramczyk to Saints at #32 :cool:

[VeveJones007]

Did we totally miss out on pash rusher or anything left?

Taking a pass rusher in Rd 2 would probably be a reach. There will be better players available at other positions, like CB.

[YDFL Commish]

I would really like to see the Colts pick Jordan Willis tomorrow.

[Coltsalr]

Zach Cunningham, Forrest Lamp, Dalvin Cook, Joe Mixon, or Quincy Wilson. Want one of those.

[Spike]

I would really like to see the Colts pick Jordan Willis tomorrow.

I would like to see the Colts pick Lamp tomorrow if he is still available.

[Spike]

Zach Cunningham, Forrest Lamp, Dalvin Cook, Joe Mixon, or Quincy Wilson. Want one of those.

Yes please, in order. Lamp, Cunningham, Wilson, Mixon, Cook.

[smitty46953]

Edge Tim Williams still out there too ... :cool:

[VeveJones007]

Yes please, in order. Lamp, Cunningham, Wilson, Mixon, Cook.

Should definitely find a player that can help at 2.14.

I'm crossing my fingers for Sidney Jones in Rd 3.

[VeveJones007]

I'm guessing it'll be a CB--Wilson/King/Tankersley in order of preference.

[Blue Thunder]

Could be a Corner. If we're lucky King, Tankersly, Wilson, even Moreau would be great. Jordan Willis could be in play for edge.

[nate505]

I wanted a pass-rusher but I'm fine with this.

Yeah, I can get wanting some of the other guys but I see no issues here. Granted, his tackling kind of sucks but holy hell do the Colts need DB help and this guy is supremely talented.

[Chromeburn]

Jordan Willis
Rivers
Bowser
Williams

King
Moreau
Tankersly

Malik McDowell

Cunningham

Lamp

I would really like to see pass rush though and I'm really hoping we have a shot at Willis.

[Oldcolt]

Geathers and Hooker have the possibility to be something special. This team has so few playmakers that if Hooker is one who can complain? We have so many holes that we just need to keep adding quality.

[Racehorse]

Ohio State Safety as was Mike Doss ? Is Omaha wacking it ??? :eek:

Dam was the one "scratching" his head.

[sherck]

Concert

You really were on a roll last night!

I was at a Michael W. Smith concert with my wife celebrating our 16th anniversary.

Good time had at the concert and I got home just in time for my son to start ranting about taking a safety over a DT!

His signature phrase? "Ballard said that he was going to build the trenches! Safety is NOT a trench position!"

Good times had by all! :)

Cheers,

[sherck]

CB Quincy Wilson, Florida
CB Kevin King, Washington
CB Chidobe Awuzie, Colorado
CB Sidney Jones, Washington

OLB Jordan Willis, Kansas State
OLB Tim Williams, Alabama
OLB Tyus Bowser, Houston
OLB Ryan Anderson, Alabama

DT Malik McDowell, Michigan State
DE Chris Wormley, Michigan

ILB Zach Cunningham, Vanderbilt

OG Forrest Lamp
OT Cam Robinson

There are 13 names on the list of guys that I would love to have in the 2nd round. We pick with the 14th pick.

Considering that there are still offensive guys on the board like: Davin Cook, Joe Mixon, Alvin Kamara, Gerald Everett, Pat Elfein and JuJu Smith-Schuster, I am pretty confident that we will get someone off that list.

In the top half of the 2nd round, each pick is worth a “spread” of about 10 points.

Trading away our 5th round pick (158 overall; 27.8 points) could move us up 2 or 3 spots to 2-12 or 2-11.
Trading away our last 4th round pick (144 overall, 33.5 points) could move us up 3 spots to 2-11.
Trading away our middle 4th round pick (137 overall, 37.0 points) could probably move us up 4 spots to 2-10.
Trading away our top 4th round pick (121 overall, 52.0 points) could move us up 5 spots to 2-9.
Trading away our 3rd round pick (80 overall; 190 points) puts us at the top of round two (33 overall; 580 points) with getting 50 points back or around a mid 4th round pick.

Worth it if the “right” CB or OLB is sitting just a few spots away from where we pick at 2-14.

Cheers,

[albany ed]

You really were on a roll last night!

I was at a Michael W. Smith concert with my wife celebrating our 16th anniversary.

Good time had at the concert and I got home just in time for my son to start ranting about taking a safety over a DT!

His signature phrase? "Ballard said that he was going to build the trenches! Safety is NOT a trench position!"

Good times had by all! :)

Cheers,

FYI, after the Colts chose Hooker, there were no DTs chosen for the remainder of the first round. So, tell your son, his DT choice remains available.

[VeveJones007]

CB Quincy Wilson, Florida
CB Kevin King, Washington
CB Chidobe Awuzie, Colorado
CB Sidney Jones, Washington

OLB Jordan Willis, Kansas State
OLB Tim Williams, Alabama
OLB Tyus Bowser, Houston
OLB Ryan Anderson, Alabama

DT Malik McDowell, Michigan State
DE Chris Wormley, Michigan

ILB Zach Cunningham, Vanderbilt

OG Forrest Lamp
OT Cam Robinson

There are 13 names on the list of guys that I would love to have in the 2nd round. We pick with the 14th pick.

Considering that there are still offensive guys on the board like: Davin Cook, Joe Mixon, Alvin Kamara, Gerald Everett, Pat Elfein and JuJu Smith-Schuster, I am pretty confident that we will get someone off that list.

In the top half of the 2nd round, each pick is worth a “spread” of about 10 points.

Trading away our 5th round pick (158 overall; 27.8 points) could move us up 2 or 3 spots to 2-12 or 2-11.
Trading away our last 4th round pick (144 overall, 33.5 points) could move us up 3 spots to 2-11.
Trading away our middle 4th round pick (137 overall, 37.0 points) could probably move us up 4 spots to 2-10.
Trading away our top 4th round pick (121 overall, 52.0 points) could move us up 5 spots to 2-9.
Trading away our 3rd round pick (80 overall; 190 points) puts us at the top of round two (33 overall; 580 points) with getting 50 points back or around a mid 4th round pick.

Worth it if the “right” CB or OLB is sitting just a few spots away from where we pick at 2-14.

Cheers,

I think Wilson is the only player you can make a strong argument for trading up. Some analysts have him as a top 15 player and his size/ability to press would be good fits for this defense.

[sherck]

Playing around with this a bit more:

CB Quincy Wilson, Florida
CB Kevin King, Washington
CB Chidobe Awuzie, Colorado

Three kids whom I think could all come in and immediately start for us at CB2 as a pretty quality press CB. I prefer Awuzie over the other two by just a tad but all three are high quality kids and fill a HUGE need at CB to pair with our brand new free safety for years to come!

A couple of scenarios:

Colts trade 2-14 and 3-16 (630 points) to GB for 2-1, 4-28 and 6-29 (624 points). Slide back from mid-3rd round for a late 4th round plus pick up a 6th round pick in order to get the choice of our CB.

I don't know if GB would want to trade back again since they did trade out of the 1st round already. Asking them to wait until 2-14 to pick might be a bit much.

Colts trade 2-14 and 3-16 (630 points) to SEA for 2-2 and 4-4 (632). We would probably have to thrown in a future 6th round pick in order to exceed the point value in 2017 but whatever. Slide back 31 spots from 3rd to 4th round in order to move up 12 spots in the 2nd round.

I think either of these scenarios are very doable if Ballard has 1st round grades on any of those CBs.

If we miss out on those CBs, I expect a veteran CB to be signed by the end of the weekend.

Cheers,

[sherck]

FYI, after the Colts chose Hooker, there were no DTs chosen for the remainder of the first round. So, tell your son, his DT choice remains available.
Ummmm, Jonathan Allen would have played the DT role for us. That is who my son wanted.

Cheers,

[VeveJones007]

Playing around with this a bit more:

CB Quincy Wilson, Florida
CB Kevin King, Washington
CB Chidobe Awuzie, Colorado

Three kids whom I think could all come in and immediately start for us at CB2 as a pretty quality press CB. I prefer Awuzie over the other two by just a tad but all three are high quality kids and fill a HUGE need at CB to pair with our brand new free safety for years to come!

A couple of scenarios:

Colts trade 2-14 and 3-16 (630 points) to GB for 2-1, 4-28 and 6-29 (624 points). Slide back from mid-3rd round for a late 4th round plus pick up a 6th round pick in order to get the choice of our CB.

I don't know if GB would want to trade back again since they did trade out of the 1st round already. Asking them to wait until 2-14 to pick might be a bit much.

Colts trade 2-14 and 3-16 (630 points) to SEA for 2-2 and 4-4 (632). We would probably have to thrown in a future 6th round pick in order to exceed the point value in 2017 but whatever. Slide back 31 spots from 3rd to 4th round in order to move up 12 spots in the 2nd round.

I think either of these scenarios are very doable if Ballard has 1st round grades on any of those CBs.

If we miss out on those CBs, I expect a veteran CB to be signed by the end of the weekend.

Cheers,

Pass. I think they'll get one of those corners without having to move down from 3.16.

[FatDT]

I think Wilson is the only player you can make a strong argument for trading up. Some analysts have him as a top 15 player and his size/ability to press would be good fits for this defense.

It is crazy he is still available. Ballard has some very good options tonight.

[Chromeburn]

You really were on a roll last night!

I was at a Michael W. Smith concert with my wife celebrating our 16th anniversary.

Good time had at the concert and I got home just in time for my son to start ranting about taking a safety over a DT!

His signature phrase? "Ballard said that he was going to build the trenches! Safety is NOT a trench position!"

Good times had by all! :)

Cheers,

Hahaha well draft isn't over yet.

I want Willis, after that I'm worried the pass rush might get a little murky. But there are lots of solid options. Should get a solid pick in the third too.

[sherck]

Hahaha well draft isn't over yet.

I want Willis, after that I'm worried the pass rush might get a little murky. But there are lots of solid options. Should get a solid pick in the third too.
My hope is that either Ryan Anderson or Trey Henderson are still there in the 3rd round for OLB. Either would be a good choice.

CB in the 2nd round, I hope. If not, we should be signing a vet to start for 1 year before the end of the 2nd round.

Cheers,

[GoBigBlue88]

Playing around with this a bit more:

CB Quincy Wilson, Florida
CB Kevin King, Washington
CB Chidobe Awuzie, Colorado

Three kids whom I think could all come in and immediately start for us at CB2 as a pretty quality press CB.

I appreciate your work on here -- you do an excellent job!!! -- so not trying to crap on it, but ... Kevin King is the definition of a project CB. Not an immediate starter at all.

[njcoltfan]

I appreciate your work on here -- you do an excellent job!!! -- so not trying to crap on it, but ... Kevin King is the definition of a project CB. Not an immediate starter at all.

so was Green last year, your point being ??

[GoBigBlue88]

so was Green last year, your point being ??

My point being sherck was saying King should be a target for an immediate starter at CB. He is not an immediate starter at CB. Colts could do much better than King in Round 2.

Someone like King, IMO, is Round 3 material.

[njcoltfan]

My point being sherck was saying King should be a target for an immediate starter at CB. He is not an immediate starter at CB. Colts could do much better than King in Round 2.

Someone like King, IMO, is Round 3 material.

Ok

[FatDT]

I actually really strongly agree about King. He is measurables, that's it. Don't want him.

[Puck]

My hope is that either Ryan Anderson or Trey Henderson are still there in the 3rd round for OLB. Either would be a good choice.

CB in the 2nd round, I hope. If not, we should be signing a vet to start for 1 year before the end of the 2nd round.

Cheers,


You are gonna fight this BPA thought all the way to the end aren't you?

[VeveJones007]

You are gonna fight this BPA thought all the way to the end aren't you?

If Lamp is still there at 2.14, he'll likely be BPA. I imagine you'd be alright with that.

[Puck]

If Lamp is still there at 2.14, he'll likely be BPA. I imagine you'd be alright with that.

I'm always good with BPA. after watching the 1st unwind I didn't want the to take Lamp. I was leaning toward Allen. I'm thrilled with Hooker It helps out 2 positions But he was only a 2 yr player with one great yr. hopefully he hasn't shot his load already. Adding Allen would have made this a very hard to run on team.

Read an article that Hooker was the top player on Ballards board. He almost didn't even put him on. But liked him so much he brought him in for a visit just in case he fell. It was never a decision once he was available. He was the pick

[VeveJones007]

I'm always good with BPA. after watching the 1st unwind I didn't want the to take Lamp. I was leaning toward Allen. I'm thrilled with Hooker It helps out 2 positions But he was only a 2 yr player with one great yr. hopefully he hasn't shot his load already. Adding Allen would have made this a very hard to run on team.

Read an article that Hooker was the top player on Ballards board. He almost didn't even put him on. But liked him so much he brought him in for a visit just in case he fell. It was never a decision once he was available. He was the pick

I'm interested to know how much weight Ballard is giving to Pagano's scheme in evaluating players. Having that ball hawk in the back is vitally important, and that importance could very well move Hooker to the top 2-3 players on Ballard's board coming in.

[Puck]

Always fun to look back

[VeveJones007]

Sometimes I look back at my comments and shake my head, but not in this case.

[Puck]

Sometimes I look back at my comments and shake my head, but not in this case.

My comments last yr are pretty much what I am still saying. BPA is who Ballard will take and I wanted Lamp and now want Nelson.... I didn't get Lamp and I am not getting Nelson this yr either.

Funny how many were wanting Cook and Dixon... assuming the same ones wanting Barkley this yr. Other things that haven't changed... Dam wasn't happy they selected anyone other than who he wanted.... even though it was a higher rated player.... Sherck was/is still picking positions and not players for each selection and of course Omaha is still a dick.

I do think that Ballard might have been drafing knowing Pagfuck would not be here now. Basham might work out pretty good as a 4-3 backup DE

I'll give it to Smitty he had Hooker in his picks.... I still can't figure out how he correctly picked every player to be drafted ahead of time ;)

[Dam8610]

I was surprised by Hooker because of the injury risk. He spent most of his first year on IR.

[nate505]

I was surprised by Hooker because of the injury risk. He spent most of his first year on IR.

He was more prone to getting an ACL injury than everyone else that it has happened to?

[VeveJones007]

My comments last yr are pretty much what I am still saying. BPA is who Ballard will take and I wanted Lamp and now want Nelson.... I didn't get Lamp and I am not getting Nelson this yr either.

Funny how many were wanting Cook and Dixon... assuming the same ones wanting Barkley this yr. Other things that haven't changed... Dam wasn't happy they selected anyone other than who he wanted.... even though it was a higher rated player.... Sherck was/is still picking positions and not players for each selection and of course Omaha is still a dick.

I do think that Ballard might have been drafing knowing Pagfuck would not be here now. Basham might work out pretty good as a 4-3 backup DE

I'll give it to Smitty he had Hooker in his picks.... I still can't figure out how he correctly picked every player to be drafted ahead of time ;)

Regarding Cook/Dixon, I am absolutely on board with drafting a RB with one of the 2nds or the 3rd this year. Really good value there in mocks.

[Puck]

Regarding Cook/Dixon, I am absolutely on board with drafting a RB with one of the 2nds or the 3rd this year. Really good value there in mocks.


Agree Guise Michele or Chubb should be there.

[YDFL Commish]

Regarding Cook/Dixon, I am absolutely on board with drafting a RB with one of the 2nds or the 3rd this year. Really good value there in mocks.

Kerryon Johnson as well.

[Dam8610]

He was more prone to getting an ACL injury than everyone else that it has happened to?

He played the prior year with a labrum tear and a sports hernia.

[VeveJones007]

Kerryon Johnson as well.

Or Ronald Jones. Or Rashaad Penny.

Just so many good options.

[VeveJones007]

I was surprised by Hooker because of the injury risk. He spent most of his first year on IR.

Hooker had a better rookie year than Allen and Harris. Allen also hit IR and Harris was a non factor.

[Dam8610]

Hooker had a better rookie year than Allen and Harris. Allen also hit IR and Harris was a non factor.

Hooker is probably the best of the picks the Colts could've made there at this point given the scheme switch, I just hope he doesn't turn into Bob Sanders in terms of injuries. Reddick and Barnett getting taken the two picks ahead of the Colts didn't help, either.

[sherck]

From Peter King's MMQB quoting gil Brandt
“This is a draft where 13 to 17 guys I could point to and say for sure, This guy’s a first-round pick. After that, there’s a lot of starting-type players who could go anywhere. Let me put it to you this way: My guy who I have 21st overall on my list could go 64th. The guy I rank 47th could go 19th.
I really don't want to drop down below 12th in a trade out situation.

CB Denzel Ward, Ohio State
SS Derwin James, Florida State
LB Tremaine Edmunds, Virginia Tech
LB Roquan Smith, Georgia
OT Connor Williams, Texas
CB Josh Jackson, Iowa
DE Marcus Davenport, UTSA
DE Harold Landry, Boston College
OT Mike McGlinchey, Notre Dame

I want one of those guys on the Colts. Most are going to go between 7 - 20. I want our choice of them at #12 at worst.

Other quotes:
His order of the quarterbacks: “Rosen, Darnold, Mayfield, Allen, Jackson.”
Biggest surprise in the top 10: “[Notre Dame] tackle Mike McGlinchey. He’ll go in the top 10.”
Player who will go higher than everyone thinks: “Will Hernandez, guard, UTEP. Reminds me of Mike Iupati—both drafted higher than anyone thought.”
Draft invitee who fascinates Brandt: “Leighton Vander Esch, the Boise State linebacker. He’ll be the first man ever invited to the draft who played eight-man football in high school. He’s from Salmon River High School in Riggins, Idaho. A true rising star.”
Happiest draft invitee: “We’ve got 22 guys coming in, and maybe the happiest is a guy who won’t be picked in the first round: Shaquem Griffin [the UCF linebacker who lost his left hand because of a birth defect at age 4]. When I called his mother to invite them, she started crying because of how much this means to the family.”

Walk Worthy,

[testcase448]

if they have f-cked up and missed CHubb, this wouldn't suck and might keep Luck alive long enough to actually make the playoffs again in what ever is left of his career.

Trading back again (https://horseshoeheroes.com/2018/04/09/indianapolis-colts-2018-mock-draft-5-trading-back/2/)

Round 1: 12th Overall Pick (from Bills)
Trading down with the Bills still allows the Colts to take one of the top offensive linemen in the draft, Notre Dame tackle Mike McGlinchey.

Round 1: 22nd Overall Pick (from Bills)
Indianapolis doubles down on drafting offensive line talent in the first round by selecting UTEP guard Will Hernandez with their other first round pick.

[Dam8610]

if they have f-cked up and missed CHubb, this wouldn't suck and might keep Luck alive long enough to actually make the playoffs again in what ever is left of his career.

Trading back again (https://horseshoeheroes.com/2018/04/09/indianapolis-colts-2018-mock-draft-5-trading-back/2/)

Round 1: 12th Overall Pick (from Bills)
Trading down with the Bills still allows the Colts to take one of the top offensive linemen in the draft, Notre Dame tackle Mike McGlinchey.

Round 1: 22nd Overall Pick (from Bills)
Indianapolis doubles down on drafting offensive line talent in the first round by selecting UTEP guard Will Hernandez with their other first round pick.

That would be terrible. If you get Edmunds and LVE out of that trade, it's worth it, but that's a disaster.

[rm1369]

That would be terrible. If you get Edmunds and LVE out of that trade, it's worth it, but that's a disaster.

I agree. I want Luck protected as much as anyone, but that wouldn’t be the best use of picks. There are other ways to protect Luck than using two first rounders on OL prospects. Scheme will help as Reich has suggested. And building a D that helps keep Luck from having to throw 40 times a game will help as well.

[Maniac]

I agree. I want Luck protected as much as anyone, but that wouldn’t be the best use of picks. There are other ways to protect Luck than using two first rounders on OL prospects. Scheme will help as Reich has suggested. And building a D that helps keep Luck from having to throw 40 times a game will help as well.

There is no reason to spend 1st round picks doing it, but they absolutely still need to upgrade the talent on the right side, scheme change or not. Scheme only helps so much, and then you need the talent to do the job well, and that needs to be addressed.

[sherck]

In a trade with the Bills scenario, I agree that I would want both 1st round picks to be on the defensive front 7.

1 or 2 of the 2nd round picks could then be O-Line as there are a lot of talented kids who should be available there. We need a right OT for sure and I would not be against drafting a talented OG as well.

But, as Dam said, drafting Edmunds / Smith at #12 and then either a DE or another LB at #22 improves that side of the ball MUCH more than replacing Mewhort/Slauson/Good/Haeg on the offensive line.

Those guys have shown they have at least a bare minimum of NFL talent when healthy.

The delta between them and a stud on the O-line, while probably measurable, is not as big as the gain at LB or DE from whom we have there.

Again, the only proven guys are Sheard and Simon at all 5 of those positions (DE, DE, SSLB, MLB, WSLB). Perhaps Basham progresses. Perhaps Autry shows he is ready for prime time. Perhaps Walker or George or Grace show that they can be the answer but they are all unknowns right now.

Massive Upgrades Needed

Walk Worthy,

[Racehorse]

In a trade with the Bills scenario, I agree that I would want both 1st round picks to be on the defensive front 7.

1 or 2 of the 2nd round picks could then be O-Line as there are a lot of talented kids who should be available there. We need a right OT for sure and I would not be against drafting a talented OG as well.

But, as Dam said, drafting Edmunds / Smith at #12 and then either a DE or another LB at #22 improves that side of the ball MUCH more than replacing Mewhort/Slauson/Good/Haeg on the offensive line.

Those guys have shown they have at least a bare minimum of NFL talent when healthy.

The delta between them and a stud on the O-line, while probably measurable, is not as big as the gain at LB or DE from whom we have there.

Again, the only proven guys are Sheard and Simon at all 5 of those positions (DE, DE, SSLB, MLB, WSLB). Perhaps Basham progresses. Perhaps Autry shows he is ready for prime time. Perhaps Walker or George or Grace show that they can be the answer but they are all unknowns right now.

Massive Upgrades Needed

Walk Worthy,
Like you implied, "perhaps" is not good enough. We have to get defensive help from this draft, and we have to do it early.

[Dam8610]

In a trade with the Bills scenario, I agree that I would want both 1st round picks to be on the defensive front 7.

1 or 2 of the 2nd round picks could then be O-Line as there are a lot of talented kids who should be available there. We need a right OT for sure and I would not be against drafting a talented OG as well.

But, as Dam said, drafting Edmunds / Smith at #12 and then either a DE or another LB at #22 improves that side of the ball MUCH more than replacing Mewhort/Slauson/Good/Haeg on the offensive line.

Those guys have shown they have at least a bare minimum of NFL talent when healthy.

The delta between them and a stud on the O-line, while probably measurable, is not as big as the gain at LB or DE from whom we have there.

Again, the only proven guys are Sheard and Simon at all 5 of those positions (DE, DE, SSLB, MLB, WSLB). Perhaps Basham progresses. Perhaps Autry shows he is ready for prime time. Perhaps Walker or George or Grace show that they can be the answer but they are all unknowns right now.

Massive Upgrades Needed

Walk Worthy,

I wouldn't be upset if they used all 4 (or 5 if they can get the Bills to trade 12 and 22 for 6) top 50 picks on the front 7. I'm probably in the minority there, but there's a lot of quality DL and LB talent in the top 50 of this draft.

[FatDT]

I wouldn't be upset if they used all 4 (or 5 if they can get the Bills to trade 12 and 22 for 6) top 50 picks on the front 7. I'm probably in the minority there, but there's a lot of quality DL and LB talent in the top 50 of this draft.

Too bad we didn't do more for the OL in FA so they could've used all those picks for the defense.

[sherck]

Too bad we didn't do more for the OL in FA so they could've used all those picks for the defense.

If they sign Howard for right OT, I am then pretty good with then using all the 1st and 2nd round picks on other spots; mostly defense but I could see a RB or WR.

A starting O-Line of 'Stanzo / Mewhort / Kelly / Slauson / Howard with depth of Haeg / Good / Bond / Clark / Vujnovich is really pretty darn solid. That is replacing 3 of our "starters" from last year with upgrades and if they can stay healthy, represents a really solid potential line.

That said, the only potential long-term starter of the "new" group is Mewhort if he can stay healthy and get back to being a quality starter like he was early.

Both Slauson and Howard are 1 year rentals whom let the team get to next year's draft for long-term replacements or allows them to pick guys this year who need a year of maturity / seasoning in the 3rd / 4th rounds to hopefully slide into starting spots next year.

Walk Worthy,

[testcase448]

I agree. I want Luck protected as much as anyone, but that wouldn’t be the best use of picks. There are other ways to protect Luck than using two first rounders on OL prospects. Scheme will help as Reich has suggested. And building a D that helps keep Luck from having to throw 40 times a game will help as well.

As currently constituted if Luck tries to throw three times a game he won't last long. There aren't enough "schemes" to keep the complete dog shit we have in the O-line from letting Luck get killed.

And some run blocking will keep the other O off the field.

If the plan is to rebuild around Luck, you best invest in his well being, plus with the D they've built in Jackoffville you best get some offense on the field.

[Butter]

I wouldn't be upset if they used all 4 (or 5 if they can get the Bills to trade 12 and 22 for 6) top 50 picks on the front 7. I'm probably in the minority there, but there's a lot of quality DL and LB talent in the top 50 of this draft.

I am a big fan of improving the front 7. Mostly edge and LB with the current roster.

[sherck]

If Chubb is not there at #6, I am hoping that Ballard can do one more trade down to #8, #9 or #10, pick up one more 2nd round pick for the compensation and then pick one of (in order of preference):

LB Termaine Edmunds
LB RoquanSmith
CB Denzel Ward
SS Derwin James

That would give us, say we traded with CHI, the following picks in the 2nd round:

#36 overall (4th in 2nd round)
#37 overall (5th in 2nd round)
#39 overall (7th in 2nd round)
#49 overall (17th in 2nd round)

5 guys in the top 50, if picked well, would definantely give a jump start to our youth re-build.

Chubb is worth the #6 pick but otherwise? I would love to trade down one more time for one of these "2nd tier" guys (i.e. not Chubb, Nelson or Barkley).

Walk Worthy

[VeveJones007]

If Chubb is not there at #6, I am hoping that Ballard can do one more trade down to #8, #9 or #10, pick up one more 2nd round pick for the compensation and then pick one of (in order of preference):

LB Termaine Edmunds
LB RoquanSmith
CB Denzel Ward
SS Derwin James

That would give us, say we traded with CHI, the following picks in the 2nd round:

#36 overall (4th in 2nd round)
#37 overall (5th in 2nd round)
#39 overall (7th in 2nd round)
#49 overall (17th in 2nd round)

5 guys in the top 50, if picked well, would definantely give a jump start to our youth re-build.

Chubb is worth the #6 pick but otherwise? I would love to trade down one more time for one of these "2nd tier" guys (i.e. not Chubb, Nelson or Barkley).

Walk Worthy

I'm fully on board with this, but remember that it takes two to tango. I'm not sure Chicago, SF, Oakland, or Miami would be willing to send a 2 to move up to #6 (unless a QB is there for Miami). I had recently held out hope that Chicago would do something silly to get Nelson, but they wouldn't have a 2nd or 3rd rounder in this situation.

[YDFL Commish]

If Chubb is not there at #6, I am hoping that Ballard can do one more trade down to #8, #9 or #10, pick up one more 2nd round pick for the compensation and then pick one of (in order of preference):

LB Termaine Edmunds
LB RoquanSmith
CB Denzel Ward
SS Derwin James

That would give us, say we traded with CHI, the following picks in the 2nd round:

#36 overall (4th in 2nd round)
#37 overall (5th in 2nd round)
#39 overall (7th in 2nd round)
#49 overall (17th in 2nd round)

5 guys in the top 50, if picked well, would definantely give a jump start to our youth re-build.

Chubb is worth the #6 pick but otherwise? I would love to trade down one more time for one of these "2nd tier" guys (i.e. not Chubb, Nelson or Barkley).

Walk Worthy

Rather see Ballard trade down w/Buffalo, there is a lot of value in 12 & 22. Of course, I would be asking for more than 12 & 22.

[Butter]

Rather see Ballard trade down w/Buffalo, there is a lot of value in 12 & 22. Of course, I would be asking for more than 12 & 22.

That would be pretty nice, I would want at least a future 2 and some change.

[sherck]

From an NFL.com article published on the 16th written by Daniel Jeremaih and Bucky Brooks (located here (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000926622/article/2018-nfl-draft-josh-rosen-could-slide-colts-looking-to-trade)):

1) Josh Rosen is the QB most likely to slide: Everyone I've talked to around the league believes there will be three quarterbacks selected within the first five picks of the draft. That means someone out of the "big four" QBs -- USC's Sam Darnold, Wyoming's Josh Allen, Oklahoma's Baker Mayfield and UCLA's Rosen -- could slide a little bit.....

3) Colts are looking to trade down again: The Colts' roster is in bad shape and many around the league expect them to trade down from the No. 6 spot to gain more draft picks. As you'll recall, Indianapolis traded down from the No. 3 spot in a deal with the Jets last month. I would keep an eye on teams like the Bills and Cardinals as potential trade partners should their quarterback of choice make it to Indy's pick at No. 6.

4) Quenton Nelson's range is between picks 6-8: I have the Notre Dame guard rated as the No. 3 player in this class, but he's probably not going to be a top-five pick. Most evaluators expect the first five picks of the draft to consist of three quarterbacks, Bradley Chubb and Saquon Barkley. The teams picking next -- Colts (No. 6), Bucs (No. 7) and Bears (No. 8) -- would be ideal fits for Nelson.

5) Teams are in love with Georgia's Roquan Smith and Virginia Tech's Tremaine Edmunds: These two linebackers are universally praised by the executives I've spoken to in the last week. I've been asked this question multiple times: "Do you think either of those linebackers will be there when we pick?" To those teams picking outside the top 10, my answer is brief: "No."
Put that all together and it could mean that:

A. The only one of the "elite 3" non-QBs left on the board after pick 5 is Nelson.
B. If Colts trade out and someone picks up the last of the 4 big QBs with the #6 pick, then Nelson, Edmunds and Smith could be the next 3 picks off the board at 7/8/9.
C. Secondary should then go from 10 to the early teens with Fitzpatrick, James, and Ward probably being the best defensive players left on the board.
D. OT McGlincy should be somewhere in the mess of the top 15.
E. DT Vea should be somewhere in the mess of the top 15.

I think this all means that dropping to #12 means we will be "settling" for a Tier 1B players like Vea, McGlincey, Davenport, Alexander, Payne or LVE.

After Barkley, I don't feel like there are any offensive skill players in high demand until the late teens. I think it will be QB and defense in the top 15 except for Nelson (and Barkley).

Walk Worthy,

[FatDT]

Seems crazy to me that two MLB/ILBs could go in the top 10. Especially in a draft with so many QB prospects. I was ok trading w/Buffalo because I figured then we'd get at least a top defensive front 7 player and then a good starter prospect in the 20s. But we can't devalue talent for quantity. We need difference-makers.

[VeveJones007]

From an NFL.com article published on the 16th written by Daniel Jeremaih and Bucky Brooks (located here (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000926622/article/2018-nfl-draft-josh-rosen-could-slide-colts-looking-to-trade)):

Put that all together and it could mean that:

A. The only one of the "elite 3" non-QBs left on the board after pick 5 is Nelson.
B. If Colts trade out and someone picks up the last of the 4 big QBs with the #6 pick, then Nelson, Edmunds and Smith could be the next 3 picks off the board at 7/8/9.
C. Secondary should then go from 10 to the early teens with Fitzpatrick, James, and Ward probably being the best defensive players left on the board.
D. OT McGlincy should be somewhere in the mess of the top 15.
E. DT Vea should be somewhere in the mess of the top 15.

I think this all means that dropping to #12 means we will be "settling" for a Tier 1B players like Vea, McGlincey, Davenport, Alexander, Payne or LVE.

After Barkley, I don't feel like there are any offensive skill players in high demand until the late teens. I think it will be QB and defense in the top 15 except for Nelson (and Barkley).

Walk Worthy,

Keep in mind that TB, CHI, and OAK all desperately need help in the secondary. While the LBs are in play, I expect at least two of those teams to go DB.

[VeveJones007]

Seems crazy to me that two MLB/ILBs could go in the top 10. Especially in a draft with so many QB prospects. I was ok trading w/Buffalo because I figured then we'd get at least a top defensive front 7 player and then a good starter prospect in the 20s. But we can't devalue talent for quantity. We need difference-makers.

Yeah, I don't think Smith or Edmunds will make it to 12. I see TB/CHI/SF/OAK splitting two LBs and two DBs unless Barkley and Nelson are still on the board.

It will depend on how the first 5 go, but I could easily see Ballard deciding to stay at 6 and make sure he gets his choice. That being said, some scouts are grading LVE and Evans very close to Smith/Edmunds, so you still might be able to move down with BUF and get two very good players in the front 7.

[Dam8610]

From an NFL.com article published on the 16th written by Daniel Jeremaih and Bucky Brooks (located here (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000926622/article/2018-nfl-draft-josh-rosen-could-slide-colts-looking-to-trade)):

Put that all together and it could mean that:

A. The only one of the "elite 3" non-QBs left on the board after pick 5 is Nelson.
B. If Colts trade out and someone picks up the last of the 4 big QBs with the #6 pick, then Nelson, Edmunds and Smith could be the next 3 picks off the board at 7/8/9.
C. Secondary should then go from 10 to the early teens with Fitzpatrick, James, and Ward probably being the best defensive players left on the board.
D. OT McGlincy should be somewhere in the mess of the top 15.
E. DT Vea should be somewhere in the mess of the top 15.

I think this all means that dropping to #12 means we will be "settling" for a Tier 1B players like Vea, McGlincey, Davenport, Alexander, Payne or LVE.

After Barkley, I don't feel like there are any offensive skill players in high demand until the late teens. I think it will be QB and defense in the top 15 except for Nelson (and Barkley).

Walk Worthy,

I just can't see how 4 QBs don't go Top 5. You have 4 of the QB neediest teams in the league in the Top 5, with Cleveland picking twice. NYJ moved up specifically for a QB, and I can't see Gettleman or Elway being dumb enough to pass on their chance at a franchise QB. That leaves Cleveland to pick one of Barkley or Chubb, and I can't see them not picking Barkley. Further, I can't see Elway picking Chubb with Allen or Mayfield sitting there. He doesn't believe in Case Keenum enough to learn his name for his introductory press conference. There's no way he'll take Chubb over a QB.

[rcubed]

I just can't see how 4 QBs don't go Top 5. You have 4 of the QB neediest teams in the league in the Top 5, with Cleveland picking twice. NYJ moved up specifically for a QB, and I can't see Gettleman or Elway being dumb enough to pass on their chance at a franchise QB. That leaves Cleveland to pick one of Barkley or Chubb, and I can't see them not picking Barkley. Further, I can't see Elway picking Chubb with Allen or Mayfield sitting there. He doesn't believe in Case Keenum enough to learn his name for his introductory press conference. There's no way he'll take Chubb over a QB.
agree, I think in the end it will be 4 QBs and barkley gone before we pick. Ballard takes chubb at 6.

[VeveJones007]

I just can't see how 4 QBs don't go Top 5. You have 4 of the QB neediest teams in the league in the Top 5, with Cleveland picking twice. NYJ moved up specifically for a QB, and I can't see Gettleman or Elway being dumb enough to pass on their chance at a franchise QB. That leaves Cleveland to pick one of Barkley or Chubb, and I can't see them not picking Barkley. Further, I can't see Elway picking Chubb with Allen or Mayfield sitting there. He doesn't believe in Case Keenum enough to learn his name for his introductory press conference. There's no way he'll take Chubb over a QB.

In a vacuum, yes, but do you really think Elway will take Rosen? I don't see any way that happens.

[Colt Classic]

If Chubb is not there at #6, I am hoping that Ballard can do one more trade down to #8, #9 or #10, pick up one more 2nd round pick for the compensation and then pick one of (in order of preference):

LB Termaine Edmunds
LB RoquanSmith
CB Denzel Ward
SS Derwin James

That would give us, say we traded with CHI, the following picks in the 2nd round:

#36 overall (4th in 2nd round)
#37 overall (5th in 2nd round)
#39 overall (7th in 2nd round)
#49 overall (17th in 2nd round)

5 guys in the top 50, if picked well, would definantely give a jump start to our youth re-build.

Chubb is worth the #6 pick but otherwise? I would love to trade down one more time for one of these "2nd tier" guys (i.e. not Chubb, Nelson or Barkley).

Walk Worthy

I doubt Chicago trades up this year after doing the same last year. They'll take what falls to them since there's not much value for them to get to 6 over staying where they are. They also have a ton of needs and wouldn't give up their 2nd.

[Dewey 5]

I just can't see how 4 QBs don't go Top 5. You have 4 of the QB neediest teams in the league in the Top 5, with Cleveland picking twice. NYJ moved up specifically for a QB, and I can't see Gettleman or Elway being dumb enough to pass on their chance at a franchise QB. That leaves Cleveland to pick one of Barkley or Chubb, and I can't see them not picking Barkley. Further, I can't see Elway picking Chubb with Allen or Mayfield sitting there. He doesn't believe in Case Keenum enough to learn his name for his introductory press conference. There's no way he'll take Chubb over a QB.

I can easily see them passing on Barkley. Myles Garrett & Chubb would be a defensive force.

[sherck]

I agree.

I know it has been a while now but Denver used to be known as the king of getting great RB production out of no name guys running back by committee. That tradition still lives on in their minds, I have little doubt.

I also have little doubt that Elway, as a former HOF QB, suscribes to the Bill Polian school of thought that the 3 most important positions on an NFL team ar:

1. The QB
2. The QB blind side protector
3. The guys who the QB needs protection from.

Denver needs a QB.
Denver needs pass rush.
There are no OTs worth a top 5 in this year's draft.

I could easily see them picking Chubb if he is still on the board over Barkley.

Walk Worthy,

[FatDT]

Elway also never won a SB until Terrell Davis came along. The days of artificially manufactured RB production left with Mike Shanahan.

[sherck]

So, trade rumor....

Colts trade #6 overall to NYG.

NYG trade #34 overall and Odel Beckham Jr to Colts.



71.8 catches per season / 1,138 yards per season / 56.9% catch rate / 5.7 TD per season / T.Y. Hilton
78.1 catches per season / 1,106 yards per season / 61.5% catch rate / 9.5 TD per season / OBJ (with 1 season being only 4 games)



Hilton / OBJ / Rogers / Doyle / Ebron / Mack with Luck directing that?

Good golly!

Add a a rookie right OT with one of our now 4 2nd round picks and let the Mewhort / Slauson / Haeg / Good / Bond duke it out for OG starters and our offense would be set.

All other draft picks then used on defense. All of them.

Yeah, OBJ is going to want lots of wack at the end of the season but we have the cap space. OBJ will turn 26 in November of this season.

I don't know for sure that I would take it but I also don't know that there are any playmakers of his talent available in this year's draft.

Want a known difference maker with the #6 pick? OBJ is one of the choices.

Walk Worthy,

[Dam8610]

I can easily see them passing on Barkley. Myles Garrett & Chubb would be a defensive force.

I think they'll be more concerned with having a good run game to protect their newly drafted franchise QB, plus they already have Garrett. Everything I read and heard from the combine was that they were the most impressed by him.

I agree.

I know it has been a while now but Denver used to be known as the king of getting great RB production out of no name guys running back by committee. That tradition still lives on in their minds, I have little doubt.

I also have little doubt that Elway, as a former HOF QB, suscribes to the Bill Polian school of thought that the 3 most important positions on an NFL team ar:

1. The QB
2. The QB blind side protector
3. The guys who the QB needs protection from.

Denver needs a QB.
Denver needs pass rush.
There are no OTs worth a top 5 in this year's draft.

I could easily see them picking Chubb if he is still on the board over Barkley.

Walk Worthy,

Denver absolutely would pick Chubb over Barkley. I just don'tthink they'll pick him over a QB.

So, trade rumor....

Colts trade #6 overall to NYG.

NYG trade #34 overall and Odel Beckham Jr to Colts.



71.8 catches per season / 1,138 yards per season / 56.9% catch rate / 5.7 TD per season / T.Y. Hilton
78.1 catches per season / 1,106 yards per season / 61.5% catch rate / 9.5 TD per season / OBJ (with 1 season being only 4 games)



Hilton / OBJ / Rogers / Doyle / Ebron / Mack with Luck directing that?

Good golly!

Add a a rookie right OT with one of our now 4 2nd round picks and let the Mewhort / Slauson / Haeg / Good / Bond duke it out for OG starters and our offense would be set.

All other draft picks then used on defense. All of them.

Yeah, OBJ is going to want lots of wack at the end of the season but we have the cap space. OBJ will turn 26 in November of this season.

I don't know for sure that I would take it but I also don't know that there are any playmakers of his talent available in this year's draft.

Want a known difference maker with the #6 pick? OBJ is one of the choices.

Walk Worthy,

If Ballard didn't hang up the phone laughing, I have concerns.

[VeveJones007]

So, trade rumor....

Colts trade #6 overall to NYG.

NYG trade #34 overall and Odel Beckham Jr to Colts.



71.8 catches per season / 1,138 yards per season / 56.9% catch rate / 5.7 TD per season / T.Y. Hilton
78.1 catches per season / 1,106 yards per season / 61.5% catch rate / 9.5 TD per season / OBJ (with 1 season being only 4 games)



Hilton / OBJ / Rogers / Doyle / Ebron / Mack with Luck directing that?

Good golly!

Add a a rookie right OT with one of our now 4 2nd round picks and let the Mewhort / Slauson / Haeg / Good / Bond duke it out for OG starters and our offense would be set.

All other draft picks then used on defense. All of them.

Yeah, OBJ is going to want lots of wack at the end of the season but we have the cap space. OBJ will turn 26 in November of this season.

I don't know for sure that I would take it but I also don't know that there are any playmakers of his talent available in this year's draft.

Want a known difference maker with the #6 pick? OBJ is one of the choices.

Walk Worthy,

Don’t waste any more energy contemplating this. 0% chance.

[rcubed]

^^^ yeah, no thanks.

[rm1369]

Hell no. I’d rather draft Barkley. And I’d consider that pretty damn stupid.

[VeveJones007]

McShay says the Giants want to be a run-first team and are likely to draft Barkley at 2.

[VeveJones007]

If Barkley goes 2 and the Browns don't trade out of 4, Ballard's phone will be ringing off the hook at 6. I still say take Chubb if he's there. Negotiate for the biggest package from MIA/BUF/ARI if Chubb is gone.

1.01 - QB1
1.02 - Barkley
1.03 - QB2
1.04 - Chubb/Nelson
1.05 - QB3

[FatDT]

I think the Giants are throwing out tons of shit and no one reporting on what they "want" actually knows.

[rcubed]

I think the Giants are throwing out tons of shit and no one reporting on what they "want" actually knows.
agree, they were reported to be all in on chubb a while back. now its barkley. I think if "their QB" is there then they take him. Should be an interesting draft to see how this all shakes out.

also hearing more and more that allen will go #1

[sherck]

also hearing more and more that allen will go #1
He probably has the most upside of any of the "big 4" QBs....


...AND the most downside.

All the QBs in that divsion are reaching their shelf life. Browns will be the first to re-load and they need to pick one that will help them for a decade.

Walk Worthy,

[Puck]

I just can't see how 4 QBs don't go Top 5. You have 4 of the QB neediest teams in the league in the Top 5, with Cleveland picking twice. NYJ moved up specifically for a QB, and I can't see Gettleman or Elway being dumb enough to pass on their chance at a franchise QB. That leaves Cleveland to pick one of Barkley or Chubb, and I can't see them not picking Barkley. Further, I can't see Elway picking Chubb with Allen or Mayfield sitting there. He doesn't believe in Case Keenum enough to learn his name for his introductory press conference. There's no way he'll take Chubb over a QB.

Dam if you were a Cleveland fan you would still want Chubb.

I think Cleveland goes Barkley with their 1st and Chubb at 4 if th Giants dont pick him.

Chubb wont be there at 6. If Ballard was all in on Chubb he wouldnt have traded out of 3.

He knows there are more needs than just one player.

If Chubb is on the board and he gets an offer to move down and pick up a couple of 1st (Buffalo) and 2nd and a 3rd in the process He will do it. It's the smart thing to do.

No one player in this draft is going to change this team. But multiple 1st 2nd and 3rd rounders will.

[VeveJones007]

Dam if you were a Cleveland fan you would still want Chubb.

I think Cleveland goes Barkley with their 1st and Chubb at 4 if th Giants dont pick him.

Chubb wont be there at 6. If Ballard was all in on Chubb he wouldnt have traded out of 3.

He knows there are more needs than just one player.

If Chubb is on the board and he gets an offer to move down and pick up a couple of 1st (Buffalo) and 2nd and a 3rd in the process He will do it. It's the smart thing to do.

No one player in this draft is going to change this team. But multiple 1st 2nd and 3rd rounders will.

Huh?

[FatDT]

Puck are you seriously saying Cleveland won't pick a QB with either of their picks?

[rcubed]

Dam if you were a Cleveland fan you would still want Chubb.

I think Cleveland goes Barkley with their 1st and Chubb at 4 if th Giants dont pick him.

Chubb wont be there at 6. If Ballard was all in on Chubb he wouldnt have traded out of 3.

He knows there are more needs than just one player.

If Chubb is on the board and he gets an offer to move down and pick up a couple of 1st (Buffalo) and 2nd and a 3rd in the process He will do it. It's the smart thing to do.

No one player in this draft is going to change this team. But multiple 1st 2nd and 3rd rounders will.
no way. CLE cant fuck around with the QB spot any longer. They got a competent GM now and will take QB 1 and hope barkley is there at 4.

[VeveJones007]

Puck are you seriously saying Cleveland won't pick a QB with either of their picks?

I'm hoping he meant "Darnold" and just mistakenly typed "Barkley."

In fact, the Ringer is reporting that the Browns have considered taking two QBs early (not necessarily #1 and #4, but #1 and maybe a 2).

[Dam8610]

Dam if you were a Cleveland fan you would still want Chubb.

I think Cleveland goes Barkley with their 1st and Chubb at 4 if th Giants dont pick him.

Chubb wont be there at 6. If Ballard was all in on Chubb he wouldnt have traded out of 3.

He knows there are more needs than just one player.

If Chubb is on the board and he gets an offer to move down and pick up a couple of 1st (Buffalo) and 2nd and a 3rd in the process He will do it. It's the smart thing to do.

No one player in this draft is going to change this team. But multiple 1st 2nd and 3rd rounders will.

What does what I want or would hypothetically want have to do with it? Cleveland NEEDS a QB and will take one at 1 unless they really have an even grade on all of the top 3 on their board, in which case they might take Barkley at 1 like you suggest. But if you think they value Barkley highly enough to take at 1 overall, why do you then also think they would take Chubb over him if he's available at 4?

[Puck]

What does what I want or would hypothetically want have to do with it? Cleveland NEEDS a QB and will take one at 1 unless they really have an even grade on all of the top 3 on their board, in which case they might take Barkley at 1 like you suggest. But if you think they value Barkley highly enough to take at 1 overall, why do you then also think they would take Chubb over him if he's available at 4?


I am saying you have tunnel vision and are set on Chubb no matter what.

[Puck]

Puck are you seriously saying Cleveland won't pick a QB with either of their picks?

Depends.... they could do a serious upgrade with Barkley and Chubb Ride out the QB for another yr or go with Taylor. Taylor is not a bad QB.

They will probably take a QB but you never know.... Do you think any of these QB's are sure fire superstars? Will all of them be better than Taylor?

[Dam8610]

I am saying you have tunnel vision and are set on Chubb no matter what.

Which you have to know is bullshit, because I'm not advocating trading back up for him.

[jchestnut31]

Heard at lunch on Cowherd (who I can't stand) rumor is NYG will only take QB if Darnold is there. NYJ are locked in on Mayfield at 3 (with the assumption Darnold & Allen are gone).

[FatDT]

Depends.... they could do a serious upgrade with Barkley and Chubb Ride out the QB for another yr or go with Taylor. Taylor is not a bad QB.

They will probably take a QB but you never know.... Do you think any of these QB's are sure fire superstars? Will all of them be better than Taylor?

That's not reasonable at all. The Browns are taking a QB.

[VeveJones007]

Heard at lunch on Cowherd (who I can't stand) rumor is NYG will only take QB if Darnold is there. NYJ are locked in on Mayfield at 3 (with the assumption Darnold & Allen are gone).

I’ve heard the same from a few other places, but it all still seems highly speculative.

[VeveJones007]

Depends.... they could do a serious upgrade with Barkley and Chubb Ride out the QB for another yr or go with Taylor. Taylor is not a bad QB.

They will probably take a QB but you never know.... Do you think any of these QB's are sure fire superstars? Will all of them be better than Taylor?

There are some bad takes that stick to posters. Seriously positing that the Browns won’t draft a QB is one of those takes.

[Chaka]

I'm hoping he meant "Darnold" and just mistakenly typed "Barkley."

In fact, the Ringer is reporting that the Browns have considered taking two QBs early (not necessarily #1 and #4, but #1 and maybe a 2).

Taking two QBs at 1 and 4 would be crazy and undeniably bold, and open Cleveland to further ridicule. However, there might be some kind of weird logic to it - maximize your chance to land a top QB, which will set you up for contending for the next 10+ years. Trade the other guy. This article points out that Dallas kinda did this in 1989 with Troy Aikman (1st overall pick) and Steve Walsh (supplemental 1st round pick):

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/19/the-browns-have-actually-considered-taking-two-quarterbacks/

I realize it's not as simple as 2 QB prospects are better than 1. Who knows what it would do to the psychology of the two QBs, and would you reduce the chance of either excelling by having both of them there? Would they refuse to sign? That would be crazy and interesting.

[VeveJones007]

Taking two QBs at 1 and 4 would be crazy and undeniably bold, and open Cleveland to further ridicule. However, there might be some kind of weird logic to it - maximize your chance to land a top QB, which will set you up for contending for the next 10+ years. Trade the other guy. This article points out that Dallas kinda did this in 1989 with Troy Aikman (1st overall pick) and Steve Walsh (supplemental 1st round pick):

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/19/the-browns-have-actually-considered-taking-two-quarterbacks/

I realize it's not as simple as 2 QB prospects are better than 1. Who knows what it would do to the psychology of the two QBs, and would you reduce the chance of either excelling by having both of them there? Would they refuse to sign? That would be crazy and interesting.

The issue is practice reps. There aren't enough to go around to properly develop both, particularly with Taylor in the fold.

[Chaka]

The issue is practice reps. There aren't enough to go around to properly develop both, particularly with Taylor in the fold.

That would be a problem also, no doubt.

Anther gutsy option, if Cleveland was convinced that the Giants really want Darnold (and Cleveland really wants Allen or someone else), is to draft Darnold at 1 and then engineer a trade with down with the Giants before picking their preferred QB at 2 or 4. Kind of like a more extreme and compressed version of what the Chargers did when they drafted Eli Manning. Reports are that the Jets are locked in on Mayfield, and if so, Cleveland could roll the dice again and try to pull the same thing on them. It would be the craziest draft ever.

[Puck]

There are some bad takes that stick to posters. Seriously positing that the Browns won’t draft a QB is one of those takes.

Not saying they won’t. But I don’t see it as a guarantee. They needed a QB last yr and took Garrett number one.


Either way Chubb will go #2 to Giants or 4 to Cleveland The question is do the Browns love Barkley enough to ride with Taylor for at least a yr. or trade back up and take a QB later in round 1 or take their top rated QB at 1

No one saw last yrs draft unfolding the way it did. So nothing is guaranteed

[rcubed]

Not saying they won’t. But I don’t see it as a guarantee. They needed a QB last yr and took Garrett number one.


Either way Chubb will go #2 to Giants or 4 to Cleveland The question is do the Browns love Barkley enough to ride with Taylor for at least a yr. or trade back up and take a QB later in round 1 or take their top rated QB at 1

No one saw last yrs draft unfolding the way it did. So nothing is guaranteed
last years QB crop was considered weak compared to this year

[Chromeburn]

Taking two QBs at 1 and 4 would be crazy and undeniably bold, and open Cleveland to further ridicule. However, there might be some kind of weird logic to it - maximize your chance to land a top QB, which will set you up for contending for the next 10+ years. Trade the other guy. This article points out that Dallas kinda did this in 1989 with Troy Aikman (1st overall pick) and Steve Walsh (supplemental 1st round pick):

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/04/19/the-browns-have-actually-considered-taking-two-quarterbacks/

I realize it's not as simple as 2 QB prospects are better than 1. Who knows what it would do to the psychology of the two QBs, and would you reduce the chance of either excelling by having both of them there? Would they refuse to sign? That would be crazy and interesting.

2 of those QBs out of the top 4 are going to fail. That’s just the odds. You would increase your chances of getting a good one. However I think this is as likely as them taking two non QBs. Say Barkley and Chubb or Nelson. They have passed on QBs before, but really, when it comes to QBs. You just keep taking them till you get the right one.

[Dam8610]

Not saying they won’t. But I don’t see it as a guarantee. They needed a QB last yr and took Garrett number one.


Either way Chubb will go #2 to Giants or 4 to Cleveland The question is do the Browns love Barkley enough to ride with Taylor for at least a yr. or trade back up and take a QB later in round 1 or take their top rated QB at 1

No one saw last yrs draft unfolding the way it did. So nothing is guaranteed

You seem to really want it to go that way, but like you said, nothing is guaranteed. I personally can't see the GMs in the top five not going 4 QBs and Barkley, but we won't know until next Thursday.

[VeveJones007]

last years QB crop was considered weak compared to this year

This class is deeper, but some analysts rated Trubisky in line with the top of this class.