Offensive line

[Oldcolt]

I've watched and rooted for this team since Unitas was our quarterback. Watching this line block, especially run blocking, thrills and amazes me more than anything I can remember. The only thing that even comes close was watching Bert Jones (before his injury) throw a long ball. It was a freaking 50 yard line drive (or so it seemed to me) that came out of a throwing motion that had to be seen to be believed.

[sherck]

We had a couple of very nice O-linemen during the Peyton era. Tarik Glenn, Adam Meadows, Jeff Saturday, Ryan Diem, Jake Scott. Guys who did well.

And, in the early Edge years, they ran blocked about as well as they pass blocked. Edge was a generational talent but he had some big fricking holes to run through.

However, I don't think they were anywhere near as dominating run blockers as our current batch are. They did not just punish opposing defenders for having the gall to play on the same field as they do. Peyton's O-Line did it through skill and finesse rather than just brute powerful confrotation.

These guys are fun to watch.

Walk Worthy,

[rcubed]

I never used to pay attention to line play until I joined this site many years ago.

Now I love watching how this line dominates the opponents.

[FatDT]

I never used to pay attention to line play until I joined this site many years ago.

Now I love watching how this line dominates the opponents.

Once you realize they'll just replay any big plays anyway you no longer fear missing something important and are free to watch the lines and take in more than you ever knew was going on in any given play.

[JAFF]

We had a couple of very nice O-linemen during the Peyton era. Tarik Glenn, Adam Meadows, Jeff Saturday, Ryan Diem, Jake Scott. Guys who did well.

And, in the early Edge years, they ran blocked about as well as they pass blocked. Edge was a generational talent but he had some big fricking holes to run through.

However, I don't think they were anywhere near as dominating run blockers as our current batch are. They did not just punish opposing defenders for having the gall to play on the same field as they do. Peyton's O-Line did it through skill and finesse rather than just brute powerful confrotation.

These guys are fun to watch.

Walk Worthy,

Glenn was the only first round pick. Meadows was a 2, and Diem was a 3?? Saturday was a walk on, Llija was a last day pick and we stole him from KC and Scott was a late round pick. All smart, all had good feet. A Howard Mudd group of guys who could play anywhere.

[TheMugwump]

I've watched and rooted for this team since Unitas was our quarterback. Watching this line block, especially run blocking, thrills and amazes me more than anything I can remember. The only thing that even comes close was watching Bert Jones (before his injury) throw a long ball. It was a freaking 50 yard line drive (or so it seemed to me) that came out of a throwing motion that had to be seen to be believed.

Old #7 is, and always will be my favorite Colt QB. And I LOVED Unitas and Peyton.

And yeah, this O-line has the makings of something special. I've always heard that the longer a line plays together, the better they play. With two rookies, a third year player, a fourth year player, and Castanzo. They're just getting started.

[Colts And Orioles]

Old #7 is, and always will be my favorite Colt QB ........ and I LOVED Unitas and Peyton.

And yeah, this O-line has the makings of something special. I've always heard that the longer a line plays together, the better they play. With two rookies, a third year player, a fourth year player, and Castanzo. They're just getting started.



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Curtis Painter ???

Just kidding.



http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/files/2013/07/curtispainter_michaelhickey.jpg

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[Tanner]

C and O did you wait until you could be post #7 to jokingly to make this comp. by posting Painters pic?

[Puck]

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Curtis Painter ???

Just kidding.



http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/files/2013/07/curtispainter_michaelhickey.jpg

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Fuck Bert Jones

[Colts And Orioles]

Fuck Bert Jones.



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Same to you, you miserable bastard.


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[TheMugwump]

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Curtis Painter ???

Just kidding.



http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/files/2013/07/curtispainter_michaelhickey.jpg

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Ohhhh...you go too far!

[Colts And Orioles]

Ohhhh ... you go too far!



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It was weird seeing Painter wear the #7 as the Colts' quarterback.

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[TheMugwump]

I tried not to look.

[Dewey 5]

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It was weird seeing Painter wear the #7 as the Colts' quarterback.

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It was WRONG seeing Painter wear the #7 as the Colts' quarterback.

[rcubed]

geezers.

[Butter]

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Same to you, you miserable bastard.


o

You misspelled beautiful.

[Chromeburn]

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Curtis Painter ???

Just kidding.



http://www.rantsports.com/nfl/files/2013/07/curtispainter_michaelhickey.jpg

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Without Curtis, we don't get Luck

[Luck4Reich]

Without Curtis, we don't get Luck

Thank you Curtis “Blow” Painter!

[Colts And Orioles]

Without Curtis, we don't get Luck.



o

That Manning-less team would have been bad enough whether it was Kerry Collins, Curtis Painter, or Dan Orlovsky taking snaps behind the center.

Jim Caldwell made a solid contribution to that 2-14 season, also.

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[Pez]

I've watched and rooted for this team since Unitas was our quarterback. Watching this line block, especially run blocking, thrills and amazes me more than anything I can remember. The only thing that even comes close was watching Bert Jones (before his injury) throw a long ball. It was a freaking 50 yard line drive (or so it seemed to me) that came out of a throwing motion that had to be seen to be believed.

Aright you old fuckers, my time with the Colts didn't start until Indy. So I dug around the youtubes and found some highlightds

https://media.giphy.com/media/1n4I0rP2owhrvPohyv/giphy.gif

His release on this pass is not like anything I have ever seen, compact, powerful, the ball comes out almost next to his ear. He says he had 4 broken ribs at this time.

[Oldcolt]

Aright you old fuckers, my time with the Colts didn't start until Indy. So I dug around the youtubes and found some highlightds

https://media.giphy.com/media/1n4I0rP2owhrvPohyv/giphy.gif

His release on this pass is not like anything I have ever seen, compact, powerful, the ball comes out almost next to his ear. He says he had 4 broken ribs at this time.

You got it. Thanks for the memories from this old fucker (and thankful to be one). He was beautiful to watch.

[Chromeburn]

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That Manning-less team would have been bad enough whether it was Kerry Collins, Curtis Painter, or Dan Orlovsky taking snaps behind the center.

Jim Caldwell made a solid contribution to that 2-14 season, also.

o

Didn't we try Kerry Collins and he died or something? I use that season as an example of everything Peyton did. I also started to wonder if Polian was losing it. He had one of the quickest release QB's in the league in Manning who was the most hit QB after release. He decided to replace him with Kerry Collins who had the slowest release of any starting QB. That would never end well.

[Kray007]

I've watched and rooted for this team since Unitas was our quarterback. Watching this line block, especially run blocking, thrills and amazes me more than anything I can remember. The only thing that even comes close was watching Bert Jones (before his injury) throw a long ball. It was a freaking 50 yard line drive (or so it seemed to me) that came out of a throwing motion that had to be seen to be believed.

I remember one play, Colts opened the game at their own 20. Jones dropped back to the 13 and launched a rocket that Roger Carr caught in stride at the opponents 10 yard line. Beautiful.

[Oldcolt]

I remember one play, Colts opened the game at their own 20. Jones dropped back to the 13 and launched a rocket that Roger Carr caught in stride at the opponents 10 yard line. Beautiful.

Roger Carr. Now there was a deep threat

[Colts And Orioles]

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That Manning-less team would have been bad enough whether it was Kerry Collins, Curtis Painter, or Dan Orlovsky taking snaps behind the center.

Jim Caldwell made a solid contribution to that 2-14 season, also.

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Didn't we try Kerry Collins, and he died or something? I use that season as an example of everything Peyton did. I also started to wonder if Polian was losing it. He had one of the quickest release QB's in the league in Manning who was the most hit QB after release. He decided to replace him with Kerry Collins who had the slowest release of any starting QB. That would never end well.



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The problem with Collins is that the Colts signed him at the last minute.

If Collins had been signed several months earlier, he at least would have been somewhat familiar with the offense ........ he wasn't.

In fact, Reggie Wayne was critical of the signing for that reason. As much as a drop-off as Manning to Painter would have been, Painter (according to Wayne) was at least familiar with the Colts' offense, having been with the team for all of the 2009 and 2010 seasons plus all of training camp in 2011.

Wayne was correct ........ they either should have signed Collins several months earlier, or not even bothered at all. As it was, it was a waste of the $4 Million that Polian spent on him for that ill-fated season.

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[Oldcolt]

Roger Carr 1979 45 catches 11 tds average yards per catch 25.9 For a career he averaged 18.7 yards per catch

[Colts And Orioles]

Aright you old fuckers, my time with the Colts didn't start until Indy. So I dug around the youtubes and found some highlights.


https://media.giphy.com/media/1n4I0rP2owhrvPohyv/giphy.gif


His release on this pass is not like anything I have ever seen, compact, powerful, the ball comes out almost next to his ear. He says he had 4 broken ribs at this time.




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I saw that game. It was on Monday Night Football.

In fact, Mike Curtis was playing for the other team (the Redskins) in the final season of his career. On one play Jones slid near the sidelines to avoid getting hit, but Don Meredith asserted that Curtis still wanted to hit him.


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[Oldcolt]

It's really nice to see that there are some fans here who have also persevered thru decades of shitty teams to arrive where we are now. One time I actually had a girl at a convenience store counter in Reno laugh at me when I bought a Colts lighter. Good for you guys. I'm sure you are enjoying this big time.

[falloutboy14]

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Wayne was correct ........ they either should have signed Collins several months earlier, or not even bothered at all. As it was, it was a waste of the $4 Million that Polian spent on him for that ill-fated season.

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Wasn't that also the lockout off-season? So the colts doctors couldn't monitor Peyton. And all of free agency happened the last week of July.

[Colts And Orioles]

It's really nice to see that there are some fans here who have also persevered thru decades of shitty teams to arrive where we are now. One time I actually had a girl at a convenience store counter in Reno laugh at me when I bought a Colts lighter. Good for you guys. I'm sure you are enjoying this big time.




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Even the fans who didn't come on board until 1984 have sustained a lot of crappy seasons ...... believe it or not, the Colts have now been in Indianapolis (1984 - Present) longer than they were in Baltimore (1953 - 1983.)

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[bertjones]

Fuck Bert Jones

Well, depending on who's doing the fucking, I'm up with that.:)

[bertjones]

Aright you old fuckers, my time with the Colts didn't start until Indy. So I dug around the youtubes and found some highlightds

https://media.giphy.com/media/1n4I0rP2owhrvPohyv/giphy.gif

His release on this pass is not like anything I have ever seen, compact, powerful, the ball comes out almost next to his ear. He says he had 4 broken ribs at this time.

In my time I've seen just about all the great Quarterbacks play. As far as
arm strength/velocity the only other QB I can think of in his zip code was
Elway. That was 3 years of magic from '75 to 77'.

[Colts And Orioles]

In my time I've seen just about all the great Quarterbacks play. As far as arm strength/velocity the only other QB I can think of in his zip code was Elway. That was 3 years of magic from '75 to 77.'



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Plus an additional 2 solid seasons of quarterbacking in 1980 and 1981, after having recovered from consecutive injury-plagued seasons in 1978 and 1979.

Many presume that Bert's shoulder injuries spelled the end of his career ...... they didn't. A ruptured disc in his neck while playing for the Rams in 1982 is what ended his career.

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[TheMugwump]

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Plus an additional 2 solid seasons of quarterbacking in 1980 and 1981, after having recovered from consecutive injury-plagued seasons in 1978 and 1979.

Many presume that Bert's shoulder injuries spelled the end of his career ...... they didn't. A ruptured disc in his neck while playing for the Rams in 1982 is what ended his career.

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Technically, true.

However he was no where near to the same after the injuries that limited him to seven games in 1978 and 1979. His stats for a '80 and '81 look similar to his earliest years, but if you saw him, it wasn't the same. Neither was the team.

In fact, it's not a huge stretch to say that if Jones was healthy straight through, and Drunk Bob doesn't start selling off some of the team defense, then the Colts never leave Baltimore.

[Colts And Orioles]

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Plus an additional 2 solid seasons of quarterbacking in 1980 and 1981, after having recovered from consecutive injury-plagued seasons in 1978 and 1979.

Many presume that Bert's shoulder injuries spelled the end of his career ...... they didn't. A ruptured disc in his neck while playing for the Rams in 1982 is what ended his career.

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Technically, true.

However he was no where near to the same after the injuries that limited him to seven games in 1978 and 1979. His stats for a '80 and '81 look similar to his earliest years, but if you saw him, it wasn't the same. Neither was the team.

In fact, it's not a huge stretch to say that if Jones was healthy straight through, and Drunk Bob doesn't start selling off some of the team defense, then the Colts never leave Baltimore.



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I completely disagree.

I believe that Jones was every bit as good in those 2 seasons as he was previously, but the teams around him were not as good (especially the 1981 team.)

Jones almost single-handedly had the Colts in playoff contention throughout the 1980 season, as they were 7-6 after 13 games, including a 2-game sweep over the eventual division champion Buffalo Bills. He engineered what should have gone down as one of the greatest comebacks ever in the 14th game of that 1980 season against the Bengals. The Colts were losing by a score of 31-6 at the start of the 4th quarter. Jones engineered 4 straight touchdowns to give the Colts a 33-31 lead. The referees then bailed out the Bengals by making a horrible pass interference call, which allowed them to keep driving and set up for what was the game-winning field goal.

Instead of an 8-6 record and one of the greatest comebacks in pro football history, the Colts were robbed by the zebras and dropped to 7-7, which eliminated them from playoff contention. With all of the wind taken out of their sails by that controversial loss, the Colts dropped the final 2 games of the season to finish at 7-9.

The following season (1981), even Jones could not rescue what was an historically bad Colts team that finished at 2-14 overall, with both wins coming against the Patriots on the first and last games of the season. In both of those season, Jones had over 3,000 yards passing at a time when doing so was still a considerable achievement.


8 years after his career ended, Bobby Beathard of the Chargers actually tried to talk Jones out of retirement at the age of 39 when he saw Bert win a Quarterback Challenge passing contest (Jones was still heaving the ball 75 yards while he was pushing 40.) Jones declined after consulting with doctors who confirmed what he was told 7 and-a-half years earlier, which was that he was risking serious injury (possibly paralysis) if he tried to return.

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[TheMugwump]

Yeah. Well, that's just your opinion man.

And what the hell do I know? I was really young then, unlike some, apparently. And my impression and memory tells me that he was not the same when he came back.

Still loved him and how he played, though.

And yeah, the team around him was getting weaker by the year. Something, something Joe Thomas, something something Bob Irsay...

Of course, we could argue back and forth with increasingly longer posts about this. That seems to be a thing.

I vote not.

[Oldcolt]

His career wasn't what is should have been for whatever reason. He was, however, amazing to watch While his arm may not have had any more power than Elway or a young Bradshaw for that matter, his long balls certainly had way much less air under them than anyone I have ever seen then or since. It was amazing that he could get his timing right with so little room for error (the ball just GOT there with little time for the receiver to adjust) Watching this offensive line destroy and end up on top of people is just as amazing to me. If we don't get injuries, this could be years of enjoyment.

[njcoltfan]

If my memory is correct, wasn't one of those wins in '81 played in a monsoon, and didn't Joe Washington set a record for catching a TD lpass, running for a TD, throwing a TD pass and returning a punt for a TD ?

[njcoltfan]

Also, only 2 wins were against the fuckin Patriots...........Priceless!!

[Colts And Orioles]

Also, only 2 wins were against the fuckin Patriots ........... Priceless !!!



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The Patriots also went 2-14 that season. They were a considerably better team than were the Colts, as most of their losses were close. They went 10-6 the previous season (1980), and went to the playoffs with a record of 5-4 in the strike-shortened 1982 season the following year.

The Colts, on the other hand, went 0-8-1 in the following strike-shortened season of 1982.

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[Colts And Orioles]

If my memory is correct, wasn't one of those wins in '81 played in a monsoon, and didn't Joe Washington set a record for catching a TD pass, running for a TD, throwing a TD pass and, returning a punt for a TD ???



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That was 3 years earlier, on Monday Night Football from September of 1978.

It was the first season in which the Colts went largely without Jones. They lost the first 2 games of the season by a combined score of of 80-0, and were playing the Patriots on their homefield ........ so the Colts were underdogs by more than 14 points.

Jones was cheering his ass off from the sidelines with his arm in a sling whenever the Colts scored a touchdown, as Washington and company went wild on the heavily-favored Patriots (who would go on to win the division with a record of 11-5.)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7erbANgBHo


Washington was involved in 3 TD's ....... 1 passing, 1 receiving, and 1 on a kickoff return late in the 4th quarter which proved to be the game-winner.

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[Colts And Orioles]

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(vs. TEXANS, 1/05) )) (Wildcard Playoff)


Andrew Luck threw 32 passes without being sacked once.

Marlon Mack rushed for 148 yards and 1 TD on 24 attempts, for an average of 6.2 yards-per-carry.

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[Luck4Reich]

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(vs. TEXANS, 1/05) )) (Wildcard Playoff)


Andrew Luck threw 32 passes without being sacked once.

Marlon Mack rushed for 148 yards and 1 TD on 24 attempts, for an average of 6.2 yards-per-carry.

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Colts have become the Bullies.

[Colts And Orioles]

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Bob Sutton Thinks that Andrew Luck Complements the Colts' Offensive Line

(By Charles Goldman)

https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/10/andrew-luck-makes-colts-ol-better-per-bob-sutton/

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[Colts And Orioles]

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(vs. CHIEFS, 1/12) )) (Divisional Playoff)


Even though he was sacked 3 times in 36 pass attempts, I think that the offensive line gave Luck good protection for most of the game.

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[Colts And Orioles]

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(vs. CHIEFS, 1/12) )) (Divisional Playoff)


Even though he was sacked 3 times in 36 pass attempts, I thought that the offensive line gave Luck good protection for most of the game.

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Bob Sutton Thinks that Andrew Luck Complements the Colts' Offensive Line

(By Charles Goldman)

https://chiefswire.usatoday.com/2019/01/10/andrew-luck-makes-colts-ol-better-per-bob-sutton/

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Yesterday was an exception to the rule ........ Luck was not nearly as good as was his offensive line.

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[rm1369]

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(vs. CHIEFS, 1/12) )) (Divisional Playoff)


Even though he was sacked 3 times in 36 pass attempts, I think that the offensive line gave Luck good protection for most of the game.

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I'd have to disagree with that pretty strongly. To me it looked like the line play was poor overall. Both pass blocking and run blocking. Hell, I believe with 8 mins to go in the fourth Luck was the teams leading rusher w/ 17 yds and Mack was averaging 2.1 yds per carry. 3 sacks in 36 attempts (two of which I remember specifically being on Lick very quickly ), several more hurries, and a slew of balls batted down at the LOS do not make for a good game for the line IMO. As a group they played as poorly as anyone else on offense IMO.

[FatDT]

What was up with not even bothering to block Dee Ford multiple times? He wasn't disguised at all.

[rm1369]

Here are Mack’s runs up until 8:31 left in the game when KC started conceding the run due to time:

-3
10
6
2
-6
3
3

The two losses were both on 1st down, putting the team in a hole to start the series. Those rush numbers are not indicative of good OL play. They sucked as bad as nearly everyone else on offense.

[YDFL Commish]

It's obvious that the O-Line did not play up to their standard. But, neither did anyone else on offense not named TY Hilton.

[Maniac]

If have to disagree with that pretty strongly. To me it looked like the line play was poor overall. Both pass blocking and run blocking. Hell, I believe with 8 mins to go in the fourth Luck was the teams leading rusher w/ 17 yds and Mack was averaging 2.1 yds per carry. 3 sacks in 36 attempts (two of which I remember specifically being on Lick very quickly ), several more hurries, and a slew of balls batted down at the LOS do not make for a good game for the line IMO. As a group they played as poorly as anyone else on offense IMO.

Yeah, the offensive line played like crap. Colts and Orioles is dumb.

[Colts And Orioles]

Yeah, the offensive line played like crap. Colts and Orioles is dumb.




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Same to you, "Jesus."

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[FatDT]

It's obvious that the O-Line did not play up to their standard. But, neither did anyone else on offense not named TY Hilton.

I'd put Inman in there, he played hard.

[rm1369]

I'd put Inman in there, he played hard.

Inman impressed me. Professional is the word that comes to mind. Nothing phenomenal about him but he runs good routes, has good hands and competes every down.

[sherck]

Inman impressed me. Professional is the word that comes to mind. Nothing phenomenal about him but he runs good routes, has good hands and competes every down.

I hope we re-sign him for 2019.

And I hope we bring someone else in as WR2 so that Inman is WR3 (or pushed down to WR4 if one of the young kids in Cain or Fountain can steal the spot from him).

But, besides T.Y., he is the only WR who played this season whom I want back.

Walk Worthy,

[rm1369]

I agree on all counts. Bring back Inman to compete for WR3 w/ Cain, Fountain and whoever else they bring in new. And find a WR2 via draft, trade, or free agency (although it’s thin this year). I see Cain being mentioned as the possible WR2 by some, but that’s just crazy. You don’t depend on a 6th round rookie (he basically is) coming back from a major injury to be a starter. I don’t care how good he looked in training camp last year.

Edited to add: I’d prefer the draft to be D heavy - especially at the top. But unfortunately WR2 is as big a hole as any on the roster, so although I hate the idea of using a 1 or 2 on a WR, they may need to.

[VeveJones007]

I agree on all counts. Bring back Inman to compete for WR3 w/ Cain, Fountain and whoever else they bring in new. And find a WR2 via draft, trade, or free agency (although it’s thin this year). I see Cain being mentioned as the possible WR2 by some, but that’s just crazy. You don’t depend on a 6th round rookie (he basically is) coming back from a major injury to be a starter. I don’t care how good he looked in training camp last year.

Edited to add: I’d prefer the draft to be D heavy - especially at the top. But unfortunately WR2 is as big a hole as any on the roster, so although I hate the idea of using a 1 or 2 on a WR, they may need to.

Might I propose a solution? Draft whichever player is higher on their board across D and WR. If a WR is the best player available at #34, take the WR.

[rm1369]

Might I propose a solution? Draft whichever player is higher on their board across D and WR. If a WR is the best player available at #34, take the WR.

Oh, I agree that’s the best thing to do. I just don’t particularly like it - especially considering it’s a position I feel Ballard should have more aggressively addressed last off season. And WRs don’t typically hit the ground running like some positions do. There are a lot of intricacies to learn. But, from where the team is at the position I agree - if WR is BPA you take them. It’s a huge need.

[FatDT]

If the value is roughly equal I think you take the pass rusher 10/10 times. Luck can elevate the level of his WRs. He can't do it all game, every game, so you don't necessarily use that as your primary plan. But especially with the offensive foundation in-place, and with Doyle and Hilton healthy again, this offense is not even close to in trouble. It looked exposed in our biggest game of the season, and it is high on the list, but IMO is is at least 1 notch below pass rusher in terms of need. A healthy Hilton and Doyle, plus a Mohamed Sanu-level WR2 and Cain coming back, should be enough for this offense to be able to score at will on anybody.

[Tanner]

Nfl network is saying that the Colts Offensive Line Coach has been fired; After havin the best OL in years, seems rather dumb to me Makes no sense to me. What do I know, I'm just supporter of the team.

[Tanner]

Sorry didn't see this already had a thread. Please merge or whatrver.

[Pez]

Nfl network is saying that the Colts Offensive Line Coach has been fired; After havin the best OL in years, seems rather dumb to me Makes no sense to me. What do I know, I'm just supporter of the team.

I wonder too how much the OL change is on Reich vs Guge... It's amazong to me that if it was Grigson who fired the OL coach of a top 5 line we would be calling for his head.... Ballard engineers the best draft in 100 years and all of us are inclined to think he can do better than Guge.

[Colts And Orioles]

NFL Network is saying that the Colts Offensive Line Coach has been fired; After having the best OL in years, it seems rather dumb to me Makes no sense to me. What do I know? I'm just supporter of the team.




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THAT is a surprise.

Prior to this season, the Colts' offensive line had been maligned (and rightly so) for the fact that our All-World quarterback had sustained as many serious injuries as he had ........ this season, the Colts' offensive line looked like the Oakland Raiders offensive lines from the late 60's through the early 80's (Jim Otto, Art Shell, Gene Upshaw, Dave Dalby, etc) that protected the likes of Darryl Lamonica, George Blanda, Ken Stabler, and Jim Plunkett.

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[YDFL Commish]

Nfl network is saying that the Colts Offensive Line Coach has been fired; After havin the best OL in years, seems rather dumb to me Makes no sense to me. What do I know, I'm just supporter of the team.

As long as they don't hire Philbin.