Doyle article on Quentin Nelson

[smitty46953]

Damn, I am glad they drafted this kid … :cool:


WESTFIELD – They said he was big, and he is. Indianapolis Colts guard Quenton Nelson is listed at 6-5, 330 pounds, and those numbers don’t completely describe the cartoonish size he brings to an NFL locker room, where everyone is big but Nelson is somehow … bigger.

“Broadest back I’ve ever seen in my life,” Colts quarterback Andrew Luck says.

They said he was nasty, and he is. Nelson, the Colts’ first-round pick out of Notre Dame, spotted Colts coach Frank Reich shortly before the first full-pad practice of camp last week and was bugging him to call for running plays – specifically for plays that would let Nelson put his hands on someone and drive them underground. “Dirt-dogging,” is what Colts defensive tackle Grover Stewart told me Nelson wants to do to opposing linemen, and sure enough, Nelson was involved in the first flare-up of camp when 6-2, 307-pound defensive tackle Rakeem Nunez-Roches objected to his methodology.

“Nasty mean streak,” Colts offensive coordinator Nick Sirianni says.

Gregg Doyel describes a blow from Quenton Nelson to a defender as "a box of dynamite delivered to the poor guy’s chest."


One week into training camp at Grand Park, Quenton Nelson is the storm we were told was coming when the Colts did something weird and chose an offensive guard with the sixth overall pick of the 2018 NFL Draft. Guards don’t normally go that early, but Nelson isn’t normal. In his last two seasons at Notre Dame, Nelson allowed zero sacks.

And pass-protection isn’t his strong suit, if you can believe that. He’ll get better with time and technique, but Nelson’s strength at the moment isn’t standing up and backpedaling and buying time for the quarterback to throw. No, his strength is exploding into his defender, a box of dynamite delivered to the poor guy’s chest, and locking him up until the whistle blows and someone like Rakeem Nunez-Roches is tired of being mauled and starts lashing out.

On Tuesday, I saw this happen: Nelson is blocking 6-5, 270-pound Denico Autry, a fifth-year veteran who looks like the Colts’ best defensive lineman, and Autry is tired of Nelson’s hands being on him after a pass by Andrew Luck, so he grabs them and throws them away. But Nelson puts his hands back on Autry, because the whistle hasn’t blown. And Nelson plays through the whistle. That’s what his dad taught him in Pop Warner, when Quenton Nelson – who came into this world as a 10-pound, 10-ounce bruising baby boy – had to drop 20 pounds each summer to play on his older brother’s youth team.

He hasn’t played an NFL game yet, so let’s not go crazy with our praise, but … Nah, that’s no fun. Let’s go nuts. Let’s listen to Stewart, the second-year pro who at 6-4, 330 pounds is the biggest player on the Colts defense.

“He’s going to be a great player,” Stewart says of Nelson.

Let’s listen to veteran lineman Jack Mewhort, a fifth-year pro out of Ohio State who plays the same position as Nelson.

“He’s one of a kind … a great player,” Mewhort says. “There’s a reason that an offensive guard was picked sixth overall. Obviously we haven’t played the game yet, but from everything I’ve seen, he’s lived up to it so far. He hasn’t taken one misstep or done anything that’s made me say, ‘Eh, I don’t know.’ He’s the man.”

At one point during 11-on-11 drills Tuesday, it fell to Nelson to slide over and handle the bull rush of rookie Tyquan Lewis, a 6-3, 269-pound defensive lineman out of Ohio State. Lewis had physics on his side – he had momentum and energy and force – but Nelson majored in business, not in physics, and the buck stopped right there. It looked as if Lewis had run into a brick wall, which I suppose he had.

You know that whole unsolvable paradox about an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object? When Nelson is the immovable object, consider that paradox solved.

“At guard,” says Colts left tackle Anthony Castonzo, “you want one of those people that if he’s walking down the street and someone comes and runs at him full speed, that person is going to get knocked out even though he didn’t know it was coming. (Nelson) has that ability that when people run into him, they move, and he doesn’t.”

It’s strength, for one thing, and at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis before the draft Nelson bench-pressed 35 reps of 225 pounds. But it’s also an attitude of confidence and nastiness, one Nelson was more willing to share before the draft – when he was trying to sell himself – than he is now, as he’s more interested in fitting in. Nelson’s sound bites have been devoid of meat since training camp began, but at the combine in March he said, “I should be in the top-five (draft) conversation," and he said, “I also help the offense establish the run through my nastiness.” And he said: "I want to dominate all my opponents. I want to take their will away to play the game."

These days Nelson talks about technique and footwork and being a good teammate and making Castonzo and center Ryan Kelly proud, but don’t be fooled. He didn’t go soft on anyone. In the hour of 11-on-11 drills I saw on Tuesday, Nelson was the first offensive lineman – more times than not, the only offensive lineman – sprinting down the field after Andrew Luck had completed a pass. Afterward, I was asking him why.

“When a wide receiver catches the ball and he gets tackled,” Nelson said, “I want to be the first guy to help him up and let him know: ‘Great job, I’ve got your back, let’s keep moving the ball.’”

That’s not the only reason he’s running downfield. The whistle hasn’t blown yet, which means there’s still time to hit someone, and Nelson is a hitter. On one screen play at camp, Nelson was running downfield and the whistle hadn’t blown and safety T.J. Green was in the vicinity, so Nelson hit him. Green didn’t like it but he’ll learn to expect it, and avoid it. All the Colts will learn, and someday, the rest of the NFL:

A storm’s coming, and it is every bit as violent as we were led to believe.

IndyStar columnist Gregg Doyel

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2018/07/31/colts-rookie-quenton-nelson-violently-protect-qb-andrew-luck/870430002/

:cool:

[FatDT]

I said when we drafted him that if he wasn't a team changing All Pro that it was a wasted pick. It's early. But so far so good. Better than taking a LT first overall and then hearing how he's getting taught lessons and needs to get used to NFL linemen.

[sherck]

With a young core interior line of Nelson, Kelly and Smith (law firm, anyone), the O-Line has a very good looking future.

Castonzo is not done yet and could play another 3-4 years at a high level; however, I hope they get a young kid in whom is a worthy heir apparent.

Right Tackle is the only spot I am concerned with and that concern is pretty low. Between Howard (who is now full go), Good and Haeg, I have confidence that we will see at least "aveage" play there and that will be a huge improvement.

If the O-Line truely becomes a strength of this team, watch out NFL, Andrew is going to completely dominate you.

Walk Worthy,

[Luck4Reich]

Smash as many Patriots defenders as you want big man. Can we line he up on defense just once to see what he does to Brady?:cool:

[1965southpaw]

Howard And AC back today so today is the first day the starting unit will practice together......besides talent upgrade and scheme change, unit consistency is 3rd most important to better line play. I just hope these guys can stay healthy.

On a separate note.....yesterday they practiced with music blaring to work on execution when communication was difficult. The tune they played over and over again? ..........Highway to Hell! Love ❤️

[Dam8610]

Damn, I am glad they drafted this kid … :cool:


WESTFIELD – They said he was big, and he is. Indianapolis Colts guard Quenton Nelson is listed at 6-5, 330 pounds, and those numbers don’t completely describe the cartoonish size he brings to an NFL locker room, where everyone is big but Nelson is somehow … bigger.

“Broadest back I’ve ever seen in my life,” Colts quarterback Andrew Luck says.

They said he was nasty, and he is. Nelson, the Colts’ first-round pick out of Notre Dame, spotted Colts coach Frank Reich shortly before the first full-pad practice of camp last week and was bugging him to call for running plays – specifically for plays that would let Nelson put his hands on someone and drive them underground. “Dirt-dogging,” is what Colts defensive tackle Grover Stewart told me Nelson wants to do to opposing linemen, and sure enough, Nelson was involved in the first flare-up of camp when 6-2, 307-pound defensive tackle Rakeem Nunez-Roches objected to his methodology.

“Nasty mean streak,” Colts offensive coordinator Nick Sirianni says.

Gregg Doyel describes a blow from Quenton Nelson to a defender as "a box of dynamite delivered to the poor guy’s chest."


One week into training camp at Grand Park, Quenton Nelson is the storm we were told was coming when the Colts did something weird and chose an offensive guard with the sixth overall pick of the 2018 NFL Draft. Guards don’t normally go that early, but Nelson isn’t normal. In his last two seasons at Notre Dame, Nelson allowed zero sacks.

And pass-protection isn’t his strong suit, if you can believe that. He’ll get better with time and technique, but Nelson’s strength at the moment isn’t standing up and backpedaling and buying time for the quarterback to throw. No, his strength is exploding into his defender, a box of dynamite delivered to the poor guy’s chest, and locking him up until the whistle blows and someone like Rakeem Nunez-Roches is tired of being mauled and starts lashing out.

On Tuesday, I saw this happen: Nelson is blocking 6-5, 270-pound Denico Autry, a fifth-year veteran who looks like the Colts’ best defensive lineman, and Autry is tired of Nelson’s hands being on him after a pass by Andrew Luck, so he grabs them and throws them away. But Nelson puts his hands back on Autry, because the whistle hasn’t blown. And Nelson plays through the whistle. That’s what his dad taught him in Pop Warner, when Quenton Nelson – who came into this world as a 10-pound, 10-ounce bruising baby boy – had to drop 20 pounds each summer to play on his older brother’s youth team.

He hasn’t played an NFL game yet, so let’s not go crazy with our praise, but … Nah, that’s no fun. Let’s go nuts. Let’s listen to Stewart, the second-year pro who at 6-4, 330 pounds is the biggest player on the Colts defense.

“He’s going to be a great player,” Stewart says of Nelson.

Let’s listen to veteran lineman Jack Mewhort, a fifth-year pro out of Ohio State who plays the same position as Nelson.

“He’s one of a kind … a great player,” Mewhort says. “There’s a reason that an offensive guard was picked sixth overall. Obviously we haven’t played the game yet, but from everything I’ve seen, he’s lived up to it so far. He hasn’t taken one misstep or done anything that’s made me say, ‘Eh, I don’t know.’ He’s the man.”

At one point during 11-on-11 drills Tuesday, it fell to Nelson to slide over and handle the bull rush of rookie Tyquan Lewis, a 6-3, 269-pound defensive lineman out of Ohio State. Lewis had physics on his side – he had momentum and energy and force – but Nelson majored in business, not in physics, and the buck stopped right there. It looked as if Lewis had run into a brick wall, which I suppose he had.

You know that whole unsolvable paradox about an unstoppable force meeting an immovable object? When Nelson is the immovable object, consider that paradox solved.

“At guard,” says Colts left tackle Anthony Castonzo, “you want one of those people that if he’s walking down the street and someone comes and runs at him full speed, that person is going to get knocked out even though he didn’t know it was coming. (Nelson) has that ability that when people run into him, they move, and he doesn’t.”

It’s strength, for one thing, and at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis before the draft Nelson bench-pressed 35 reps of 225 pounds. But it’s also an attitude of confidence and nastiness, one Nelson was more willing to share before the draft – when he was trying to sell himself – than he is now, as he’s more interested in fitting in. Nelson’s sound bites have been devoid of meat since training camp began, but at the combine in March he said, “I should be in the top-five (draft) conversation," and he said, “I also help the offense establish the run through my nastiness.” And he said: "I want to dominate all my opponents. I want to take their will away to play the game."

These days Nelson talks about technique and footwork and being a good teammate and making Castonzo and center Ryan Kelly proud, but don’t be fooled. He didn’t go soft on anyone. In the hour of 11-on-11 drills I saw on Tuesday, Nelson was the first offensive lineman – more times than not, the only offensive lineman – sprinting down the field after Andrew Luck had completed a pass. Afterward, I was asking him why.

“When a wide receiver catches the ball and he gets tackled,” Nelson said, “I want to be the first guy to help him up and let him know: ‘Great job, I’ve got your back, let’s keep moving the ball.’”

That’s not the only reason he’s running downfield. The whistle hasn’t blown yet, which means there’s still time to hit someone, and Nelson is a hitter. On one screen play at camp, Nelson was running downfield and the whistle hadn’t blown and safety T.J. Green was in the vicinity, so Nelson hit him. Green didn’t like it but he’ll learn to expect it, and avoid it. All the Colts will learn, and someday, the rest of the NFL:

A storm’s coming, and it is every bit as violent as we were led to believe.

IndyStar columnist Gregg Doyel

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/columnists/gregg-doyel/2018/07/31/colts-rookie-quenton-nelson-violently-protect-qb-andrew-luck/870430002/

:cool:

I like that he's sprinting downfield after a completion, that potentially puts him in a position to throw a key downfield block to spring a big play. If he's the only one doing it, I hope the coaches are calling out everyone else to step up and follow suit. It's a little thing that could play huge dividends, and it's the type of thing winning teams do.

[Pez]

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[HoosierinFL]

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what I love most about that clip, outside of the awareness he shows, is that the defensive player had a running start, whereas Nelson only had a chance to take 3 steps in his direction, but the defender is the one gets flattened. Its just what everyone is saying, he moves people, no one moves him.

[Pez]

what I love most about that clip, outside of the awareness he shows, is that the defensive player had a running start, whereas Nelson only had a chance to take 3 steps in his direction, but the defender is the one gets flattened. Its just what everyone is saying, he moves people, no one moves him.

The athleticism is amazing. I haven't been this high on a player since Andrew Luck.

[omahacolt]

With that power and ability, why are we leaving him at lg?

[JAFF]

With that power and ability, why are we leaving him at lg?

So they can pull him either direction. Think about the old counter trey. He can move and hit. I know the common thinking is LT is the best lineman,, but this guy can influence both passing and running. He may not need help pass blocking, and he can move like a freight train in any direction.

Think of Larry Allen. He would come to the line and go, Whoooo, Whooo, telling the D the train was running right through his gap and it didn't matter.

[omahacolt]

So they can pull him either direction. Think about the old counter trey. He can move and hit. I know the common thinking is LT is the best lineman,, but this guy can influence both passing and running. He may not need help pass blocking, and he can move like a freight train in any direction.

Think of Larry Allen. He would come to the line and go, Whoooo, Whooo, telling the D the train was running right through his gap and it didn't matter.

I will not think of him as larry Allen

[JAFF]

I will not think of him as larry Allen

It was an example, not a replacement.

[YDFL Commish]

I like that he's sprinting downfield after a completion, that potentially puts him in a position to throw a key downfield block to spring a big play. If he's the only one doing it, I hope the coaches are calling out everyone else to step up and follow suit. It's a little thing that could play huge dividends, and it's the type of thing winning teams do.

This isn't Pagano. So yes, the coaches are calling out players who don't hustle as much as the next player.

Wait a minute, when did coaching become important to you?

[YDFL Commish]

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I can honestly say I have never seen an O-Lineman recognize a backside blitzer that far away, and make any kind of block, let alone one as devastating as that.

[omahacolt]

I can honestly say I have never seen an O-Lineman recognize a backside blitzer that far away, and make any kind of block, let alone one as devastating as that.

Probably because they aren’t coached to look. He is blocking a zone and leaves it. Beautifully I might add

[omahacolt]

what I love most about that clip, outside of the awareness he shows, is that the defensive player had a running start, whereas Nelson only had a chance to take 3 steps in his direction, but the defender is the one gets flattened. Its just what everyone is saying, he moves people, no one moves him.

Meh that isn’t that impressive.

[omahacolt]

This isn't Pagano. So yes, the coaches are calling out players who don't hustle as much as the next player.

Wait a minute, when did coaching become important to you?

Coaches don’t matter

- dam

[Butter]

Its just what everyone is saying, he moves people, no one moves him.

He is both an immovable object and an unstoppable force.

[Spike]

Meh that isn’t that impressive.

What the fuck are you talking about that it wasn't that impressive? When is the last time you saw an offensive lineman on the Colts do that kind of shit?

[Dam8610]

This isn't Pagano. So yes, the coaches are calling out players who don't hustle as much as the next player.

Wait a minute, when did coaching become important to you?

They should do their jobs, which mostly consist of developing players. That doesn't mean they typically have an effect on the outcome of any given game. You misunderstanding and misconstruing my argument doesn't change it.

[Chromeburn]

A storm is coming. Heh Doyle is so melodramatic. Still it will be nice to see some dominance on the offensive line. I just hate that it took a number 6 pick to do it.

I like that backside pickup, but Nelson probably weight 80 to 100 pounds more. Defender should go flying.

[Spike]

They should do their jobs, which mostly consist of developing players. That doesn't mean they typically have an effect on the outcome of any given game. You misunderstanding and misconstruing my argument doesn't change it.

Can you quit with this shit already. Of course coaches have an effect on the outcome of any given game. Are the Rams not better off with that POS Fischer gone? Doug Peterson won a SB with a backup QB. I could list more, but you get the point.

[Spike]

A storm is coming. Heh Doyle is so melodramatic. Still it will be nice to see some dominance on the offensive line. I just hate that it took a number 6 pick to do it.

I like that backside pickup, but Nelson probably weight 80 to 100 pounds more. Defender should go flying.

I hate it too, but it is what it is. But when a guy like Nelson is there at 6, you don't hesitate. He is a beast. At 6, I didn't see anyone who could dominate as well as he could. The only guy I thought of that would be worthy of that pick was Bradley Chubb. But he was gone, so the Colts made the correct choice in Nelson.

[omahacolt]

What the fuck are you talking about that it wasn't that impressive? When is the last time you saw an offensive lineman on the Colts do that kind of shit?

He has at least a 100 pounds on the dude. He lowers the shoulder on the kid and he is going down.

It was a great play but most guards would flatten that dude there

[njcoltfan]

He has at least a 100 pounds on the dude. He lowers the shoulder on the kid and he is going down.

It was a great play but most guards would flatten that dude there

I thought Commishs' point was that Nelson saw the blitzer coming, not the block.

[sherck]

With the Defensive Tackles that exist in our division, I am a bit shocked anyone is still arguing at picking quality at OG no matter how high he was picked.

Seriously, almost any QB interview will tell you that up the middle pressure is MUCH, MUCH worse that on the edge of the pocket pressure. One allows you to step up and complete the throw and the other one has you running for your life.

Our division ihas some quality DTs; J.J. Watt (HOU), Malik Jackson (JAX), Taven Bryan (JAX), Bennie Logan (TEN), Jurrell Casey (TEN).

I agree with others; if Chubb had been there at 6 I would have taken him but he was not and Nelson as, BY FAR, the best choice at the spot regardless of what position he plays. If he performs as well in the NFL has he has in high school and college, he will make a big impact for this team.

Walk Worthy,

[FatDT]

He has at least a 100 pounds on the dude. He lowers the shoulder on the kid and he is going down.

It was a great play but most guards would flatten that dude there

I agree on size difference, but most guards wouldn't have seen it in time. Of the ones that did, most of them wouldn't have been able to pivot, square up, and accelerate in time to get that much of a hit on the blitzer. The good ones might've gotten a hand out and fended him off. The mix of recognition, power, and athleticism is good to see. But we will have to see if he can play at that same level against NFL speed and power.

[Dam8610]

Can you quit with this shit already. Of course coaches have an effect on the outcome of any given game. Are the Rams not better off with that POS Fischer gone? Doug Peterson won a SB with a backup QB. I could list more, but you get the point.

To answer your question, McVay developed his players, most importantly his second year QB, and had a better scheme offensively than Fisher, which put his players in better position to succeed. He also had one of the best defenses in the league with a great DL. Pederson was able to win with his backup because he had one of the best backup QBs in the NFL, a scheme that relied on getting the ball into the hands of his playmakers quickly, and, most importantly, one of the best defenses in the league, including arguably the best DL in the league.

Those things are not coaches having an impact on the outcome of the game. Why? Because a scheme doesn't guarantee success. The player still has to go out and execute the scheme. That is why all outcomes are player driven. You can disagree with that all you'd like, but every part of the system in the league reflects the truth of it, including pay.

[Dam8610]

With the Defensive Tackles that exist in our division, I am a bit shocked anyone is still arguing at picking quality at OG no matter how high he was picked.

Seriously, almost any QB interview will tell you that up the middle pressure is MUCH, MUCH worse that on the edge of the pocket pressure. One allows you to step up and complete the throw and the other one has you running for your life.

Our division ihas some quality DTs; J.J. Watt (HOU), Malik Jackson (JAX), Taven Bryan (JAX), Bennie Logan (TEN), Jurrell Casey (TEN).

I agree with others; if Chubb had been there at 6 I would have taken him but he was not and Nelson as, BY FAR, the best choice at the spot regardless of what position he plays. If he performs as well in the NFL has he has in high school and college, he will make a big impact for this team.

Walk Worthy,

Ultimately the difference to me is the trade value. The Colts could've had:

Bradley Chubb

OR

Quentin Nelson, Braden Smith, Kekomo Turay, Jordan Wilkins, and (likely) a top 40 pick in the 2019 draft, which has the deepest DL group in recent memory.

I liked Chubb over Nelson by a very large margin, but he wasn't 4 quality players better than Nelson. That said, I still think a trade down with the Bills was the best option at 6, and I think Tremaine Edmunds and Isaiah Wynn would've been more valuable than Nelson.

[Racehorse]

Can you quit with this shit already. Of course coaches have an effect on the outcome of any given game. Are the Rams not better off with that POS Fischer gone? Doug Peterson won a SB with a backup QB. I could list more, but everyone but you gets the point.

Had to correct a factual error in your post

[Mr. Session]

The look that impressed me most was 1:04 of this cut up. (https://youtu.be/CuCivHHPK0U)

Goal line situation against LSU. Nelson drives his defender completely off the LOS, but what makes me say “damn” is the amount of velocity he finishes the block with.

His knee never touches the ground while he’s driving the defender into the back of the end zone. It’s almost as if he accelerated through the defender.

[Chromeburn]

The look that impressed me most was 1:04 of this cut up. (https://youtu.be/CuCivHHPK0U)

Goal line situation against LSU. Nelson drives his defender completely off the LOS, but what makes me say “damn” is the amount of velocity he finishes the block with.

His knee never touches the ground while he’s driving the defender into the back of the end zone. It’s almost as if he accelerated through the defender.

I actually like the one at 1:40 better. The LSU guy already looks like he is off balance when contact was made even though he buries him. The 1:40 block is against a good NCSU lineman and he annihilates him when starting from a straight up block at the LOS.

[YDFL Commish]

To answer your question, McVay developed his players, most importantly his second year QB, and had a better scheme offensively than Fisher, which put his players in better position to succeed.

That is coaching dipshit.

[Dam8610]

That is coaching dipshit.

Yes, and if you'd read the rest of the post, I explained why it doesn't have an impact on outcomes. Reading is fundamental.

[ChoppedWood]

Yes, and if you'd read the rest of the post, I explained why it doesn't have an impact on outcomes. Reading is fundamental.

Whaaaaaaaa the FUCK?

[FatDT]

How the hell did we get back to this? Shut up about coaching or I swear to God I will post pictures of fat chicks.

[Oldcolt]

Fat chicks are cool. Post away

[smitty46953]

Ultimately the difference to me is the trade value. The Colts could've had:

That said, I still think a trade down with the Bills was the best option at 6, and I think Tremaine Edmunds and Isaiah Wynn would've been more valuable than Nelson.

Wynn is not even close to Nelson in my opinion. Last I heard not expected to beat out LG Joe Thuney or RG Shaq Mason for the Pats. Perhaps in time he will pan out? :cool:

[Coltsalr]

How the hell did we get back to this? Shut up about coaching or I swear to God I will post pictures of fat chicks.

Please use the PM feature for that.

No need to punish all of us just because Dam develops Down’s Syndrome when it comes to coaching.

[Chromeburn]

Wynn is not even close to Nelson in my opinion. Last I heard not expected to beat out LG Joe Thuney or RG Shaq Mason for the Pats. Perhaps in time he will pan out? :cool:

I thought they were talking about playing him at LT?

[smitty46953]

I thought they were talking about playing him at LT?

I think they have Trent Brown and Marcus Cannon at Tackle spots? Who knows ? To early right now I guess … :cool:

[Dam8610]

How the hell did we get back to this? Shut up about coaching or I swear to God I will post pictures of fat chicks.

Because people don't know how to let go.

[Dam8610]

Wynn is not even close to Nelson in my opinion. Last I heard not expected to beat out LG Joe Thuney or RG Shaq Mason for the Pats. Perhaps in time he will pan out? :cool:

The Cheats announced him as a tackle at the draft, thought they were trying him at LT. Still, if Wynn is 75% of Nelson and Edmunds is a Ray Lewis/Brian Urlacher hybrid, that's more valuable than Nelson.

[Oldcolt]

The Cheats announced him as a tackle at the draft, thought they were trying him at LT. Still, if Wynn is 75% of Nelson and Edmunds is a Ray Lewis/Brian Urlacher hybrid, that's more valuable than Nelson.

They aren't and Nelson is the stud we needed.

[JAFF]

The Cheats announced him as a tackle at the draft, thought they were trying him at LT. Still, if Wynn is 75% of Nelson and Edmunds is a Ray Lewis/Brian Urlacher hybrid, that's more valuable than Nelson.

Value is a relative thing. Every team can put a $ value on every player in this league, what he would be worth to THEM. How many teams passed on Freeney because he was short? How did Russell Wilson drop to the third round? Anyone remember the yelling with Polian took James over Ricky Williams.

[ChoppedWood]

The Cheats announced him as a tackle at the draft, thought they were trying him at LT. Still, if Wynn is 75% of Nelson and Edmunds is a Ray Lewis/Brian Urlacher hybrid, that's more valuable than Nelson.

Well shit, in that case...

If Jacoby Brisset is Joe Montana and Malik Hooker is Ronnie Lott and Deon Cain is Jerry Rice, then shit, we should challenge for the playoffs right?

Well I guess if we had Chuck Pagano wear his Chuck Knoll mask we could at least finish 6-10...

Where do you come up with some of this shit????

[Dam8610]

They aren't and Nelson is the stud we needed.

Tell me that when other teams are dropping 40 on the defense with regularity.

[Coltsalr]

Tell me that when other teams are dropping 40 on the defense with regularity.

Teams are dropping 40 on even the best defenses nowadays.

The Eagles (with one of the best D’s) managed to win a Super Bowl despite not being able to stop the Cheats all night and they got there by dropping 38 on the best defense in the NFL in the NFCCG.

The NFL is a constantly evolving league. The only person that didn’t realize that was one your true masturbatory fantasy Pagano.

[Dam8610]

Well shit, in that case...

If Jacoby Brisset is Joe Montana and Malik Hooker is Ronnie Lott and Deon Cain is Jerry Rice, then shit, we should challenge for the playoffs right?

Sure. There's no evidence that that would be the case whatsoever, but if it were, then yes. There's evidence that Wynn could be 75% of the player Nelson is, and it's probably closer than that. There's also evidence that Tremaine Edmunds could be an all-pro LB with the right LB coach. He has all the physical gifts of a Brian Urlacher (6'5" 250 MLB who runs a 4.5 40), he just needs to learn the game. The right LB coach could make him the best LB in the league. That's the difference between what I said and what you said.

[Dam8610]

Teams are dropping 40 on even the best defenses nowadays.

The Eagles (with one of the best D’s) managed to win a Super Bowl despite not being able to stop the Cheats all night and they got there by dropping 38 on the best defense in the NFL in the NFCCG.

The NFL is a constantly evolving league. The only person that didn’t realize that was one your true masturbatory fantasy Pagano.

Good defenses don't get 40 dropped on them consistently.

[JAFF]

The NFL is a constantly evolving league. The only person that didn’t realize that was one your true masturbatory fantasy Pagano.

Man there is no way to unsee that

[Racehorse]

Man there is no way to unsee that

Why were you even watching him jack off?