Colts Release Hankins [Archive] - ColtFreaks.com

Kray007

03-17-2018, 02:32 PM

Why, Chris Ballard, why?

When he was with the Giants, he was brilliant as a 43 DT. Seems to me that Ballard's just created a gaping hole on D that has to be filled.

Just not understanding the rationale.

YDFL Commish

03-17-2018, 02:33 PM

Going hard after Suh?

Going hard after some DT who's more of a 1-gap penetrater.

Kray007

03-17-2018, 02:34 PM

Maybe he caught him in flagrante delecto with Mrs. Ballard.

Kray007

03-17-2018, 02:35 PM

Going hard after some DT who's more of a 1-gap penetrater.

Why not trade him? Surely someone like Bill Belichick would've given up a 3rd rounder for him?

Kray007

03-17-2018, 02:50 PM

Releasing Hankins makes the 2017 free agent class for the Colts look like a Ryan Grigson special...a steaming pile of cow dung.

YDFL Commish

03-17-2018, 02:52 PM

I hope to god that Ballard is not thinking of taking Maurice Hurst at#6.

Dam8610

03-17-2018, 02:54 PM

Releasing Hankins makes the 2017 free agent class for the Colts look like a Ryan Grigson special...a steaming pile of cow dung.

Ballard didn't sign any aging veterans or character problems to overpriced contacts. That's a Grigson special.

Kray007

03-17-2018, 03:06 PM

Ballard didn't sign any aging veterans or character problems to overpriced contacts. That's a Grigson special.

Grigson had such a vast panorama of incompetence that I'm not sure it's possible to limit it to overpriced contracts or character issues.

Kray007

03-17-2018, 03:11 PM

With a nod to the Godfather..."Just when I'm feeling good, he drags me back down again." :D

Dam8610

03-17-2018, 03:29 PM

Grigson had such a vast panorama of incompetence that I'm not sure it's possible to limit it to overpriced contracts or character issues.

It all involved blowing his cap wad on mostly useless players, though. Ballard at least isn't doing that.

Indiana V2

03-17-2018, 03:31 PM

Ballard follows up the brilliant trade with the Jets with this sucktudnal display, what the heck, Chris?

Maniac

03-17-2018, 03:33 PM

This makes no sense. It's not like we needed the cap space.

FatDT

03-17-2018, 03:59 PM

What the fuck is Ballard doing?

falloutboy14

03-17-2018, 04:01 PM

I hope to god that Ballard is not thinking of taking Maurice Hurst at#6.

If that's the case, you can wait to release him till after the draft.

njcoltfan

03-17-2018, 04:13 PM

It all involved blowing his cap wad on mostly useless players, though. Ballard at least isn't doing that.

He just created an unnecessary hole on DLine, apparently to save salary, and to add 8mil to the cap, which apparently he doesn't want to spend !! Just a real head scratcher.

njcoltfan

03-17-2018, 04:16 PM

If that's the case, you can wait to release him till after the draft.

If he released him then, the Colt's would be on the hook for 4.5mil of his 8ml 2018 salary.

smitty46953

03-17-2018, 04:17 PM

Irsay hurting financially??? LOL Saves $8.5 against the cap we dont need right now... I don't get this at all unless he is making a move for Suh ... :cool:

Indiana V2

03-17-2018, 04:21 PM

Irsay hurting financially??? LOL Saves $8.5 against the cap we dont need right now... I don't get this at all unless he is making a move for Suh ... :cool:

Seriously doubt he's going after Suh, doesn't fit his profile.

njcoltfan

03-17-2018, 04:23 PM

Irsay hurting financially??? LOL Saves $8.5 against the cap we dont need right now... I don't get this at all unless he is making a move for Suh ... :cool:

Why in the name of God would you let a guy who is a good locker room presence go, then sign a guy who has a bad rep, and will be asking for a boatload of money, not to mention he's like 5 years older ??

smitty46953

03-17-2018, 04:25 PM

If he released him then, the Colt's would be on the hook for 4.5mil of his 8ml 2018 salary.

For whats its worth "Spot Trac" shows no "Dead Cap" money :cool:

BASE: $8,000,000
ROSTER BONUS: $468,750
TOTAL: $8,468,750
$4,500,000 was to become Guaranteed tomorrow ... :cool:

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/indianapolis-colts/johnathan-hankins-12330/

smitty46953

03-17-2018, 04:26 PM

Why in the name of God would you let a guy who is a good locker room presence go, then sign a guy who has a bad rep, and will be asking for a boatload of money, not to mention he's like 5 years older ??

Confuses the hell out of me ??? :eek:

smitty46953

03-17-2018, 04:27 PM

Seriously doubt he's going after Suh, doesn't fit his profile.

I hope not, but Dammy will nut all over himself ... :cool:

Kray007

03-17-2018, 04:51 PM

It all involved blowing his cap wad on mostly useless players, though. Ballard at least isn't doing that.

It's getting harder and harder to find the "good" players who Ballard picked up. Woods, Simon and Sheard, and none of those guys are exactly incipient pro bowlers...especially if Woods gets the boot because he's a NT.

VeveJones007

03-17-2018, 04:54 PM

Wow. Got to me more to the story.

Brylok

03-17-2018, 05:32 PM

Hankins probably wanted to leave. He doesn't want to play in a 4-3 defense, the roster stinks, and there's very little chance to win the division.

YDFL Commish

03-17-2018, 05:38 PM

Hankins probably wanted to leave. He doesn't want to play in a 4-3 defense, the roster stinks, and there's very little chance to win the division.

Remember when Ellis Johnson abruptly retired when Dungy took over?

For whatever reason, he loved playing in Fangio's POS defense, and wanted no part of Dungy's defense, which ironically was the perfect fit for him. After the Colts released him, he went on to play a few more successful seasons for the Falcons and Broncos.

This move could be similar, as you're saying, Hankins doesn't want to play in 3-4.

Butter

03-17-2018, 05:54 PM

Well, this one is a head-scratcher.

Kray007

03-17-2018, 07:07 PM

Hankins probably wanted to leave. He doesn't want to play in a 4-3 defense, the roster stinks, and there's very little chance to win the division.

He played just fine in the Giant's 43 D. In fact, he and Snacks Harrison were the heart of one of the best run stopping lines in the league.

Racehorse

03-17-2018, 07:22 PM

If that's the case, you can wait to release him till after the draft.

Guaranteed money is to hit tomorrow

FatDT

03-17-2018, 07:50 PM

Guaranteed money is to hit tomorrow

Who cares? It's peanuts for an NFL team.

omahacolt

03-17-2018, 07:55 PM

What the fuck is Ballard doing?

Making the team worse

Dam8610

03-17-2018, 08:14 PM

rm1369

03-17-2018, 08:15 PM

Making the team worse

Sure as hell hard to understand how this move makes them better. One of the few areas that seemed set is now just another question mark on a team filled with them.

I’m not typically one to over react, but it’s damn hard not to be worried about Ballard’s direction with this team.

Indiana V2

03-17-2018, 08:23 PM

If this is about fit with Hankins, then going after Suh makes sense. Eberflus is going to use Tampa 2 concepts, and Suh's best skillset is as a 3 technique 1 gap penetrator. He'd be much like Warren Sapp in that role.

Doubt they're going after Suh, and if they released Hankins to free up money for Suh, then what happens if they don't get Suh?

Dam8610

03-17-2018, 08:26 PM

Doubt they're going after Suh, and if they released Hankins to free up money for Suh, then what happens if they don't get Suh?

I was merely speaking to fit. I have no idea why Ballard is hoarding cap space like Smaug the Defiler.

njcoltfan

03-17-2018, 09:18 PM

Making the team worse

Making absolutely sure that this is going to be a 3-4 year rebuild!!

FatDT

03-17-2018, 09:45 PM

Butter

03-17-2018, 10:01 PM

They're sticking with scheme fit. If our new scheme can't use Hankins then it sucks. This is like when Freeney wasn't a scheme fit. Fuck the scheme. Adjust to the talent on the roster. That's what good coaches do.

I agree with that. In this case at least Hankins was basically signed to a 1 year contract with 2 team options. I suspect Ballard considered it a one year deal.

Dam8610

03-17-2018, 10:09 PM

They're sticking with scheme fit. If our new scheme can't use Hankins then it sucks. This is like when Freeney wasn't a scheme fit. Fuck the scheme. Adjust to the talent on the roster. That's what good coaches do.

1) Freeney would've worked in a 3-4, Justin Houston does.

2) I don't understand why they released Hankins and kept Woods. I'd think Hankins would be the better 4-3 NT.

omahacolt

03-17-2018, 10:12 PM

I agree with that. In this case at least Hankins was basically signed to a 1 year contract with 2 team options. I suspect Ballard considered it a one year deal.

Then trade him for a 5th at worst

FatDT

03-17-2018, 10:43 PM

1) Freeney would've worked in a 3-4, Justin Houston does.

2) I don't understand why they released Hankins and kept Woods. I'd think Hankins would be the better 4-3 NT.

Yes, yes he would've. That is the point I'm making.

Spike

03-17-2018, 11:29 PM

They're sticking with scheme fit. If our new scheme can't use Hankins then it sucks. This is like when Freeney wasn't a scheme fit. Fuck the scheme. Adjust to the talent on the roster. That's what good coaches do.

This was the beginning of me hating fucking Pagano. Freeney is a HOF and Pagano was the POS that let him go way too damn early.

Spike

03-18-2018, 12:47 AM

Doubt they're going after Suh, and if they released Hankins to free up money for Suh, then what happens if they don't get Suh?

Fuck Suh. He wouldn't make any difference on this team right now anyway. No way I pay that MF what he thinks he is worth.

Dam8610

03-18-2018, 01:50 AM

Fuck Suh. He wouldn't make any difference on this team right now anyway. No way I pay that MF what he thinks he is worth.

A 4 time first team All Pro on the DL wouldn't make a difference to a bad defense? That's just a bad argument. As far as spending the money, they HAVE to spend some. They're at like 60% of cap right now.

omahacolt

03-18-2018, 07:38 AM

Fuck Suh. He wouldn't make any difference on this team right now anyway. No way I pay that MF what he thinks he is worth.

I have a feeling your mind would change if he was on the colts

Racehorse

03-18-2018, 08:26 AM

They're sticking with scheme fit. If our new scheme can't use Hankins then it sucks. This is like when Freeney wasn't a scheme fit. Fuck the scheme. Adjust to the talent on the roster. That's what good coaches do.
Or you trade the talent for an asset, but I guess they were worried about the guarantee kicking in. :confused:

Indiana V2

03-18-2018, 08:29 AM

Or you trade the talent for an asset, but I guess they were worried about the guarantee kicking in. :confused:

Which we're not hurting money-wise, so it's confusing.

Racehorse

03-18-2018, 08:36 AM

Which we're not hurting money-wise, so it's confusing.

Maybe Irsay is after paying Pagano to go away? Maybe he told Ballard tofree up some cash this year if he was given permission to axe the albatross. I really don't know.

Oldcolt

03-18-2018, 09:01 AM

I love this move. Not because Hankins wasn’t any good (he was) but because Ballard has a plan for what kind of player he wants and appears to be sticking to it. I think in a year or two we have a chance for a great team with this guy in charge. He has balls AND a plan. It’s gonna be fine and fun to watch this team take shape

IndyNorm

03-18-2018, 09:01 AM

Which we're not hurting money-wise, so it's confusing.

That's the confusing thing on this. If we needed any sort of cap space whatsoever then maybe the move makes sense.

The only thing I can think of is Hankins asked to be released and Ballard granted that wish.

1965southpaw

03-18-2018, 10:13 AM

Butter

03-18-2018, 10:16 AM

Then trade him for a 5th at worst

Sure I would have been a lot happier with that, but it takes 2 to tango and we don't know if he tried.

1965southpaw

03-18-2018, 10:51 AM

Sure I would have been a lot happier with that, but it takes 2 to tango and we don't know if he tried.

Agreed.........again from IndyStar on question of why no trade:

It's not clear whether the Colts tried to trade Hankins. But that effort likely would have been undermined by a trigger in his contract that would have guaranteed $4.5 million of his 2018 base salary if he was still on the roster by Sunday. Because other teams knew the Colts were facing a deadline to make a decision on Hankins, they would have had little leverage in any trade talks because Hankins being cut was the likeliest outcome.

njcoltfan

03-18-2018, 11:35 AM

The Tweeter-in-Chief is saying this release was due to scheme change.

https://twitter.com/jimirsay

Reporting in IndyStar is suggesting the same thing:

But in 2018, the switch to a speed-based defense appears to have changed the team’s view of Hankins’ fit. The major emphasis on speed and quickness would, theoretically, limit Hankins’ effectiveness in the new scheme.
I call bullshit on the doesn't fit the new scheme, the reason is all about the Benjamins. The Colt's saved 4.5m on his roster bonus so the could pay Luck his 6m roster bonus that is due today!

Puck

03-18-2018, 12:50 PM

A 4 time first team All Pro on the DL wouldn't make a difference to a bad defense? That's just a bad argument. As far as spending the money, they HAVE to spend some. They're at like 60% of cap right now.

They have to spend approx 90% over a 4 year average.... we are in yr two of the period and have averaged 89%. so I dont think we are in too much trouble with 2 years to go

Dam8610

03-18-2018, 01:24 PM

They have to spend approx 90% over a 4 year average.... we are in yr two of the period and have averaged 89%. so I dont think we are in too much trouble with 2 years to go

They're at 60% now, will need serious spending to get to 90%.

DrSpaceman

03-18-2018, 01:32 PM

I honestly don't know what Ballard is doing.

I am willing to give him a chance and give him time. It seems he wants to build through the draft.

But I stated elsewhere, at some point you have to sign some free agents just to field a team. AT the current rate of releasing players and signing only one, I don't see how we'll even have enough to fill the roster.

Next season is going to be another rough one.

Puck

03-18-2018, 01:40 PM

They're at 60% now, will need serious spending to get to 90%.

60 over the four year period of just this yr?

Racehorse

03-18-2018, 01:59 PM

Dam8610

03-18-2018, 02:59 PM

60 over the four year period of just this yr?

This year.

testcase448

03-20-2018, 10:15 AM

Cap casualties open up another wave of free agents that we may pursue after all the other teams have blown their wad on the first wave.

and we get scraps... yeahhh!!!!!!:confused:

Racehorse

03-21-2018, 07:07 AM

and we get scraps... yeahhh!!!!!!:confused:

Hankins was a cap casualty and most on here would not call him a "scrap"

FatDT

03-21-2018, 07:49 AM

Hankins was a cap casualty and most on here would not call him a "scrap"

Hankins isn't a "cap casualty".

Dam8610

03-21-2018, 09:56 AM

and we get scraps... yeahhh!!!!!!:confused:

So a 6 time first or second team All Pro is a scrap?

HoosierinFL

03-21-2018, 09:59 AM

Hankins isn't a "cap casualty".

I think he meant when the Giants let him go

testcase448

03-21-2018, 11:46 AM

Hankins was a cap casualty and most on here would not call him a "scrap"

No he wasn't a "cap casualty"

I agree, we discard a serviceable players like Melvin and Hankins for other teams scraps... TEs that can't catch as an example. He's a great athlete though I hear. Lot's of potential in the Darrius Heyward-Bey mold

Y'all need to read slower....

FatDT

03-21-2018, 11:53 AM

I think he meant when the Giants let him go

Cap casualty means you release the player to save cap. Hankins was just a standard unrestricted free agent.

rcubed

03-21-2018, 12:17 PM

No he wasn't a "cap casualty"

I agree, we discard a serviceable players like Melvin and Hankins for other teams scraps... TEs that can't catch as an example. He's a great athlete though I hear. Lot's of potential in the Darrius Heyward-Bey mold

Y'all need to read slower....
give up the melvin rhetoric, he wanted an unrealistic contract from us. we were not getting him for what OAK did.

Racehorse

03-22-2018, 07:16 AM

Hankins isn't a "cap casualty".

He was cut the day before guaranteed money was to kick in, so in a way, he is a cap casualty. Someone will sign him and get a good player. That someone may opt on him instead of another DL, leaving us another option (maybe Suh?) that you all will applaud. So, no, I did not mean when he left the Giants.

Dam8610

03-22-2018, 08:24 AM

He was cut the day before guaranteed money was to kick in, so in a way, he is a cap casualty. Someone will sign him and get a good player. That someone may opt on him instead of another DL, leaving us another option (maybe Suh?) that you all will applaud. So, no, I did not mean when he left the Giants.

Hankins would be a much better fit for the Rams, who need a NT and already have Donald and Brockers as outstanding DEs in their 3-4 (which is also what Suh would be in their 3-4).