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1965southpaw
03-06-2018, 02:38 PM
I must have missed this or just forgotten but it seems that Ballard offered Poe a multi year contract last year and he passed and bet on himself in a 1 year deal at Atlanta....he's back in the market and colts are a potential suitor at a more reduced price I expect.....Any interest, Freaks?

https://www.stampedeblue.com/2018/3/6/17083876/the-indianapolis-colts-have-been-linked-to-falcons-dt-dontari-poe
Dam8610
03-06-2018, 03:00 PM
I must have missed this or just forgotten but it seems that Ballard offered Poe a multi year contract last year and he passed and bet on himself in a 1 year deal at Atlanta....he's back in the market and colts are a potential suitor at a more reduced price I expect.....Any interest, Freaks?

https://www.stampedeblue.com/2018/3/6/17083876/the-indianapolis-colts-have-been-linked-to-falcons-dt-dontari-poe

Poe would be an interesting rotational piece. I'd see him as a run down UT/pass down NT, and he could likely do well in that role. It would also open up possibilities for pass rush sub packages along the DL. I think I might rather have Sheldon Richardson, but a starting DT unit of Poe and Hankins would be the Colts best at that position since they had Siragusa and Ellis Johnson.
FatDT
03-06-2018, 03:04 PM
I forgot Ballard offered him a contract.

I am fine with our DTs. But I am also fine w/bringing him in, we have lots of cap space, there aren't that many impact FAs this year, and Poe would only strengthen the DT rotation. Having Hankins and Poe at DT sounds like something you do on Madden, kind of ridiculous. And despite everyone (not here) saying Anderson doesn't fit a 4-3, I think him as a 3rd DT would make for one of the best DT crews in the NFL.
Coltsalr
03-06-2018, 03:14 PM
The fact that Poe's current team in Atlanta seems so anxious to be rid of him does give me some pause.

While much of the conversation about free agency is purely speculative at this point, Falcons GM Thomas Dimitroff has already made it publicly clear that Poe will not remain in Atlanta moving forward.

He will be going to the market. I’m confident he’s going to sign a deal somewhere and be happy.



Does he have some locker room/off the field concerns?
falloutboy14
03-06-2018, 06:28 PM
Seems like he took a prove it deal and he proved himself. Now he wants that money, which the falcons don't have.
Coltsalr
03-06-2018, 06:38 PM
Seems like he took a prove it deal and he proved himself. Now he wants that money, which the falcons don't have.

I hadn’t read it that way but that makes sense.
omahacolt
03-06-2018, 09:35 PM
Depends on cost but sure. Talent on the lines always makes me happy
Butter
03-06-2018, 10:28 PM
Depends on cost but sure. Talent on the lines always makes me happy

Sure, but it does not seem like interior DL is very high up on the list of issues the Colts have.
YDFL Commish
03-06-2018, 10:33 PM
Sure, but it does not seem like interior DL is very high up on the list of issues the Colts have.

Also, wouldn't wanna give him much more than Hankins is getting.
FatDT
03-07-2018, 12:34 AM
Sure, but it does not seem like interior DL is very high up on the list of issues the Colts have.

Agree, and signing Poe shouldn't take priority over Norwell. But there aren't that many avenues for improving the team in FA this time. Might as well try where we can.
sherck
03-07-2018, 08:34 AM
Sure, but it does not seem like interior DL is very high up on the list of issues the Colts have.
There are 2 ways to get better as a team:

1. Bring sub-standard position groups up to at least NFL average.

2. Strengthen already strong groups in order to make them outstanding and give you an out weighted advantage.

Adding Poe to what should be an already strong DT rotation would follow the second rule rather than the first rule which would be a fine way to help strengthen the defense....as long as it does not come at the sacrifice of signing Linebackers, O-Linemen and DEs which are at a much higher ranking of need (see way #1 above).

And, like many have said, other than Norwell, Nate Solder and perhaps Navarro Bowman and Malcolm Butler, whom else do you think will be available in free agency that would make a bigger impact on the Colts roster than Poe that we will spend money on? (RB Bell from PIT would be one but I cannot see Ballard throwing that kind of money at him)

Walk Worthy,
HoosierinFL
03-07-2018, 10:43 AM
(RB Bell from PIT would be one but I cannot see Ballard throwing that kind of money at him)


I saw last night that Pitt has tagged Bell, so he's off the table.
omahacolt
03-07-2018, 06:28 PM
I saw last night that Pitt has tagged Bell, so he's off the table.

thank god


fuck that dude
Butter
03-07-2018, 09:59 PM
Agree, and signing Poe shouldn't take priority over Norwell. But there aren't that many avenues for improving the team in FA this time. Might as well try where we can.

True, but we can also move cap money forward. I think there is a good chance to compete in the division, but at least another year away from being a legit SB contender.
Puck
03-08-2018, 06:15 AM
True, but we can also move cap money forward. I think there is a good chance to compete in the division, but at least another year away from being a legit SB contender.

To win this division gonna have to stop the run and contain the QB from running. The teams in our division run the ball and 2 have QBs that can get outside the pocket and take off
Dam8610
03-08-2018, 10:36 AM
To win this division gonna have to stop the run and contain the QB from running. The teams in our division run the ball and 2 have QBs that can get outside the pocket and take off

That makes getting one of the rangy, athletic LBs that can cover ground quickly very important. I like Vander Esch, but he may not be there at 36.
Butter
03-08-2018, 09:58 PM
To win this division gonna have to stop the run and contain the QB from running. The teams in our division run the ball and 2 have QBs that can get outside the pocket and take off

You think Poe will help with that? We already have pieces that help with running inside, it is the rest that is a huge ?.
Puck
03-08-2018, 10:40 PM
You think Poe will help with that? We already have pieces that help with running inside, it is the rest that is a huge ?.

Absolutely it would be better.... maybe as good as there is in the league. I'm considering Sherck's #2 comment above
Pez
03-09-2018, 12:21 PM
thank god


fuck that dude

I think Bell is fantastic, and the Steelers are fucking him over.

He has a 1200 yard rushing season and he's their 3rd best WR. Almost 2000 yards on the season.
DrSpaceman
03-09-2018, 02:54 PM
I would rather the money be spent on OL and linebackers rather than another DL.

He is going to be wanting a huge contract. The DL was pretty good last year already.

If the OL or LBers were even average or close to it and you want Poe to upgrade the DL, sure, but those units are at the bottom of the league. You don't have the luxury of big money at a position of relative strength in this situation
omahacolt
03-10-2018, 06:40 AM
I think Bell is fantastic, and the Steelers are fucking him over.

He has a 1200 yard rushing season and he's their 3rd best WR. Almost 2000 yards on the season.

He is good.

No chance I give him a big contract
Chromeburn
03-14-2018, 03:40 PM
I think Bell is fantastic, and the Steelers are fucking him over.

He has a 1200 yard rushing season and he's their 3rd best WR. Almost 2000 yards on the season.

I think the deal they offered him last year was pretty good. It was 5 million over the next highest guy at his position. But he refused it, so I don't know how much he is actually looking for.
Racehorse
03-14-2018, 05:54 PM
I think the deal they offered him last year was pretty good. It was 5 million over the next highest guy at his position. But he refused it, so I don't know how much he is actually looking for.

He is looking to re-establish the contract scale for RBs, so he wants probably 8-10 million more
Puck
03-15-2018, 04:11 PM
Poe to Carolina. 3 yr 27 million

I now have no idea what Ballard is doing
Dewey 5
03-15-2018, 04:41 PM
Poe to Carolina. 3 yr 27 million

I now have no idea what Ballard is doing

Tanking the season.
omahacolt
03-15-2018, 05:21 PM
Poe to Carolina. 3 yr 27 million

I now have no idea what Ballard is doing

a whole bunch of nothing
Butter
03-15-2018, 06:24 PM
Poe to Carolina. 3 yr 27 million

I now have no idea what Ballard is doing

would have probably cost us a lot more than that to sign him.
Dam8610
03-15-2018, 06:26 PM
would have probably cost us a lot more than that to sign him.

Why? I doubt he would've gotten more than the Hankins deal from anyone, and there are still 2 DTs on the market that will likely outperform him.
Puck
03-15-2018, 06:40 PM
would have probably cost us a lot more than that to sign him.

I have heard for years and years that we are going to stop the run

Our division is built to run on everyone. Poe would have been an outstanding addition to make this happen

I'm not in panick mode but WTF Ballard?? It's not coming out of your pocket Chris!!!
Butter
03-15-2018, 09:18 PM
Why? I doubt he would've gotten more than the Hankins deal from anyone, and there are still 2 DTs on the market that will likely outperform him.

Would you sign with the Colts with an uncertain QB situation in a state that is inland and colder for the same money as a coastal City in a temperate climate with a team who has been constantly competitive? It would take a fair amount more for me to sign with the Colts unless I was a native, this is not hard math here. Once Luck comes back and proves he is still a top 10 QB then players will want to come here on fair contracts.
Butter
03-15-2018, 09:19 PM
I have heard for years and years that we are going to stop the run

Our division is built to run on everyone. Poe would have been an outstanding addition to make this happen

I'm not in panick mode but WTF Ballard?? It's not coming out of your pocket Chris!!!

I don't disagree with you, but I also don't have any idea what was offered and if Poe had any interest.
Dam8610
03-15-2018, 09:54 PM
Would you sign with the Colts with an uncertain QB situation in a state that is inland and colder for the same money as a coastal City in a temperate climate with a team who has been constantly competitive? It would take a fair amount more for me to sign with the Colts unless I was a native, this is not hard math here. Once Luck comes back and proves he is still a top 10 QB then players will want to come here on fair contracts.

You're putting too much emphasis on weather, and a lot of the teams free agents have been signing with are in worse situations than the Colts. I think he would've signed with the Colts for a similar deal, maybe they would've had to beat Carolina's offer, but not by much. That said, as of the time of this post, Suh and Richardson are still on the market, and either would make a great 3-tech, which is a need.
Indiana V2
03-15-2018, 10:46 PM
You're putting too much emphasis on weather, and a lot of the teams free agents have been signing with are in worse situations than the Colts. I think he would've signed with the Colts for a similar deal, maybe they would've had to beat Carolina's offer, but not by much. That said, as of the time of this post, Suh and Richardson are still on the market, and either would make a great 3-tech, which is a need.

I know Suh won't be cheap, and he can be a punk, but I wouldn't mind having him on the Colts.
FatDT
03-15-2018, 11:41 PM
I know Suh won't be cheap, and he can be a punk, but I wouldn't mind having him on the Colts.

He wants money. He won't get the most here. So he's not coming here.
1965southpaw
03-15-2018, 11:46 PM
He wants money. He won't get the most here. So he's not coming here.

Agreed.....and as I've said before he's very attuned to the impact of taxes on his money. If he has a choice of Seattle or Indy he is choosing Seattle

http://www.businessinsider.com/ndamukong-suh-contract-spending-explanation-2018-3
Puck
03-15-2018, 11:51 PM
Agreed.....and as I've said before he's very attuned to the impact of taxes on his money. If he has a choice of Seattle or Indy he is choosing Seattle

http://www.businessinsider.com/ndamukong-suh-contract-spending-explanation-2018-3


The difference in what he would pay in taxes to be here other than somewhere else is minimal..... easily paid by Ballard.


It's not out bidding it has more to do with location and who the QB is. IMO
Chromeburn
03-16-2018, 12:43 AM
Agreed.....and as I've said before he's very attuned to the impact of taxes on his money. If he has a choice of Seattle or Indy he is choosing Seattle

http://www.businessinsider.com/ndamukong-suh-contract-spending-explanation-2018-3

Thought I heard Jax was in the running as well.
Chromeburn
03-16-2018, 12:44 AM
The difference in what he would pay in taxes to be here other than somewhere else is minimal..... easily paid by Ballard.


It's not out bidding it has more to do with location and who the QB is. IMO

Cost of living is lower though. Hard to compete with no taxes but if taxes are close...
Chaka
03-16-2018, 02:38 AM
Cost of living is lower though. Hard to compete with no taxes but if taxes are close...

Keep in mind that it's not a simple as a non-tax state vs. a taxed state. Even when their home team is in a tax-free state, a pro athlete will still have to pay taxes in all of the other states where they earn their living. This means that a player will pay taxes, at a minimum, in any state where they play a game. An athlete's taxes are enormously more complicated than most. Here's an article that covers the topic if you're interested

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2017/04/18/income-taxes-for-pro-athletes-are-reminder-of-how-complicated-u-s-tax-code/#403fd7cb411e

Their home state is the most important, but it doesn't shield them from state income taxes.
Butter
03-16-2018, 01:44 PM
You're putting too much emphasis on weather, and a lot of the teams free agents have been signing with are in worse situations than the Colts. I think he would've signed with the Colts for a similar deal, maybe they would've had to beat Carolina's offer, but not by much. That said, as of the time of this post, Suh and Richardson are still on the market, and either would make a great 3-tech, which is a need.
I am not making it a primary factor, but a part of the whole package.