Will Carrol claiming incompetence of Colts medical staff

[1965southpaw]

Listening to Grady and Big Joe and Will Carroll is on and he is Railing on the incompetence of the Colts medical staff. He's claiming that the Colts have been the single worst franchise re injury management for a DECADE under this medical team. He didn't say what metric he was using to support this claim but he asked how long can they mismanage medical isssues without being held accountable? He also said there was an unsubstantiated rumor flying that there was a basic medical test that is standard in managing a groin injury that was not done in managing VDs case. He asserted that the players don't trust the competence of the Colts medical team..........not sure what to make of all that but I suspect the finger pointing and blame game will continue until the great purge that we all know is coming finally happens to relieve some of the pent up pressure in this imploding organization.

[Dam8610]

Listening to Grady and Big Joe and Will Carroll is on and he is Railing on the incompetence of the Colts medical staff. He's claiming that the Colts have been the single worst franchise re injury management for a DECADE under this medical team. He didn't say what metric he was using to support this claim but he asked how long can they mismanage medical isssues without being held accountable? He also said there was an unsubstantiated rumor flying that there was a basic medical test that is standard in managing a groin injury that was not done in managing VDs case. He asserted that the players don't trust the competence of the Colts medical team..........not sure what to make of all that but I suspect the finger pointing and blame game will continue until the great purge that we all know is coming finally happens to relieve some of the pent up pressure in this imploding organization.

This actually seems to be a legitimate issue and should probably be dealt with by Irsay immediately.

[FatDT]

Luck was handled wrong. There are a number of cases where a player came back and quickly re-injured himself over the last 5-7 years. Now this with Davis. Absolutely get them the fuck out of the building.

[GoBigBlue88]

Honestly, while I still think Pagano has to go, I just care less these days about that. None of this matters -- Pagano going, someone coming in, etc. -- until the leadership at the top is fixed.

[Gimmick]

So if the medical staff isn't good at diagnosing or managing injuries, what are they good at?

Pill supply?

[njcoltfan]

Listening to Grady and Big Joe and Will Carroll is on and he is Railing on the incompetence of the Colts medical staff. He's claiming that the Colts have been the single worst franchise re injury management for a DECADE under this medical team. He didn't say what metric he was using to support this claim but he asked how long can they mismanage medical isssues without being held accountable? He also said there was an unsubstantiated rumor flying that there was a basic medical test that is standard in managing a groin injury that was not done in managing VDs case. He asserted that the players don't trust the competence of the Colts medical team..........not sure what to make of all that but I suspect the finger pointing and blame game will continue until the great purge that we all know is coming finally happens to relieve some of the pent up pressure in this imploding organization.

And this surprises you??

[njcoltfan]

luck was handled wrong. There are a number of cases where a player came back and quickly re-injured himself over the last 5-7 years. Now this with davis. Absolutely get them the fuck out of the building.

now, today !!!

[OneVoice]

Honestly, while I still think Pagano has to go, I just care less these days about that. None of this matters -- Pagano going, someone coming in, etc. -- until the leadership at the top is fixed.

Winning cures everything.

Relative to other owners, Irsay is not that bad. And he wants to win. Worse owners have fielded winning teams, no doubt.

Pagano leaving will matter.

[FatDT]

Winning cures everything.

Relative to other owners, Irsay is not that bad. And he wants to win. Worse owners have fielded winning teams, no doubt.

Pagano leaving will matter.

Sure there are worse. But some of those terrible owners have shown improvement. Are there 10 that are worse?

We all want to win. But Irsay is going backwards inserting himself more when he should go back to letting people actually good at this do their jobs.

[YDFL Commish]

Sure there are worse. But some of those terrible owners have shown improvement. Are there 10 that are worse?

We all want to win. But Irsay is going backwards inserting himself more when he should go back to letting people actually good at this do their jobs.

Right now, Irsay does not have the experience of a Bill Polian to lean on. But, yes, he does need to hire someone to run the entire football operations.

[OneVoice]

Sure there are worse. But some of those terrible owners have shown improvement. Are there 10 that are worse?

We all want to win. But Irsay is going backwards inserting himself more when he should go back to letting people actually good at this do their jobs.

I havent heard from Irsay since the beginning of the season / seems to me he is stepping back, letting Ballard take reigns.

[omahacolt]

Honestly, while I still think Pagano has to go, I just care less these days about that. None of this matters -- Pagano going, someone coming in, etc. -- until the leadership at the top is fixed.

no dude

pagano has to go. that is the first ball that has to drop. the dude is incompetence at its finest. or worst. however you want to look at it.


ballard needs to take over next year. or right now for that matter. a one voice system like they had with polian.

[Hoopsdoc]

Right now, Irsay does not have the experience of a Bill Polian to lean on. But, yes, he does need to hire someone to run the entire football operations.

Yes. Irsay hired Polian and eventually Dungy and let them do their jobs. And the end result was super bowl 41. He is capable of being a decent owner.

It's just that he let 2 con artists fool him in grigson and Pagano. I don't think he will fire in season but I have no doubt Clappy is done in Indy.

After the season he needs to let Ballard hire the coach he wants and those two can run the show.

I have faith in Ballard.

[ChoppedWood]

I know it sounds like a broken record but I have been enraged about these fuckers for a long long long long time. This team has to me always played way too coy with the whole injury thing. I have no idea how it works with medical staff when there is a new organization in town- so I can't say that this is the same staff that I completely thought fucked up with Bob and Marvin (I gotta believe Edge's deal was too long ago to be the same folks...). I do know that there has always been something that just did not seem to be right about many of our sort of long term injury situations. It did kind of have the appearance that certain people were forced to come back too early while with a few it felt like something that should have been relatively short term ballooned into chronic situations that ruined careers- at the very least careers while the player was wearing the shoe.

I hope that there is an entire blood letting at the end of the year- I'm okay with Ballard getting some additional time, but i would love to see the absolute entire structure around him put in a pile and burned- preferrably on a windy day so the ashes would blow away and not continue to soil this organization!

[YDFL Commish]

no dude

pagano has to go. that is the first ball that has to drop. the dude is incompetence at its finest. or worst. however you want to look at it.


ballard needs to take over next year. or right now for that matter. a one voice system like they had with polian.

I agree that Pagano has to go, and the sooner the better, I do not agree that Ballard is the guy to run the franchise.

[sherck]

no dude

pagano has to go. that is the first ball that has to drop. the dude is incompetence at its finest. or worst. however you want to look at it.


ballard needs to take over next year. or right now for that matter. a one voice system like they had with polian.Peyton Manning needs to be the guy to run the franchise for the long-term. Ballard needs to be the guy working the year in and year out issues. Our new HC runs the week-to-week stuff.

That is how any good, large scale business runs. People focused on different time frames with linked goals supporting one vision.

Walk Worthy,

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[HoosierinFL]

Peyton Manning needs to be the guy to run the franchise for the long-term. Ballard needs to be the guy working the year in and year out issues. Our new HC runs the week-to-week stuff.

That is how any good, large scale business runs. People focused on different time frames with linked goals supporting one vision.



I think (hope) that Manning would make a good team president to with Ballard as GM. Obv Manning has no record here so its just hope and speculation but he has high standards and understands winning culture, and that is the sort of thing we need from a team president: someone to define the culture and vision of the organization. We took for granted how strong the org culture was under the Polian/Dungy/Manning years (and yea I list Manning there because it's well known he was the team leader and shaped the work ethic as much as any of the coaches did) but it's gone to shit because of Grigson and Pagano.

[IndyNorm]

With the exception of the Browns is there a team that's a bigger dumpster fire than we currently are? The Giants and 9ers have to be in the discussion, but with all of the medical mishandling that's going on I think we're in worse shape than they are.

[Hoopsdoc]

I agree that Pagano has to go, and the sooner the better, I do not agree that Ballard is the guy to run the franchise.

Just curious why you seem to have soured on Ballard.

IMO, he's stuck with the circus this season because Irsay saddled him with Pags.

I think another draft and a competent head coach(hopefully) will have things looking up in no time.

[omahacolt]

Just curious why you seem to have soured on Ballard.

IMO, he's stuck with the circus this season because Irsay saddled him with Pags.

I think another draft and a competent head coach(hopefully) will have things looking up in no time.

i am disappointed that ballard has not gotten control of this team. this is just a circus in indy and he is the gm. i know his hands are somewhat tied with pagano but holy shit has he let pagano just run wild with his nonsense.

[Puck]

i am disappointed that ballard has not gotten control of this team. this is just a circus in indy and he is the gm. i know his hands are somewhat tied with pagano but holy shit has he let pagano just run wild with his nonsense.

He's just making sure there is no crack for Pagfuckedup could return by conning irsay again

[1965southpaw]

He's just making sure there is no crack for Pagfuckedup could return by conning irsay again


His media tour this week (JMV, DD, Barstool) is no coincidence....The colts organization asked for this time not the other way around.....Ballard has started the process of becoming the public face to the franchise in my opinion and it's not a moment too soon.

[omahacolt]

He's just making sure there is no crack for Pagfuckedup could return by conning irsay again

i don't think that is the case at all. i think maybe he had an agreement or is letting pagano do his thing for evaluation purposes.

but still, he is the gm. if i am the boss, i do not let this franchise look like this. it is good to see him getting out and talking this week.

[Maniac]

i am disappointed that ballard has not gotten control of this team. this is just a circus in indy and he is the gm. i know his hands are somewhat tied with pagano but holy shit has he let pagano just run wild with his nonsense.

He is letting Pagano have enough rope to hang himself. I'm sure he has no desire to hide Pagano's idiocy and let him stay on for more than this year. The problem isn't Ballard taking control, it's Irsay not realizing how bad Pagano is fucking this all up and firing him now.

[omahacolt]

He is letting Pagano have enough rope to hang himself. I'm sure he has no desire to hide Pagano's idiocy and let him stay on for more than this year. The problem isn't Ballard taking control, it's Irsay not realizing how bad Pagano is fucking this all up and firing him now.

irsay shouldn't be involved at this point.

isn't that what everyone wants. him not making these decisions

[Maniac]

irsay shouldn't be involved at this point.

isn't that what everyone wants. him not making these decisions

Except that Irsay has gotten involved in keeping Pagano, so it's his job to end it. After that, it would be preferred if he had someone else in that role.

[Puck]

Except that Irsay has gotten involved in keeping Pagano, so it's his job to end it. After that, it would be preferred if he had someone else in that role.


To be fair... Irsay fired the GM. don't have a new GM hired so he said he would roll with Pags so it was t a complete wipe of the ass that he had to deal with


talked with Ballard and told him. Get through this season and let's evaluate.


Not sure why everyone is being so hard on Irsay on this


Complete change is not always the right move.... gave Pags a yr to define himseflf as a HC. which turned punt bad for Pagfuckup. But none the less showed the truth of the situation.


HCs now are not worried about coming here. Change is coming.... lets worry-y about getting that high draft pick right now

[YDFL Commish]

Just curious why you seem to have soured on Ballard.

IMO, he's stuck with the circus this season because Irsay saddled him with Pags.

I think another draft and a competent head coach(hopefully) will have things looking up in no time.

I have not soured on Ballard. He just doesn't have the experience to be a team president as Polian was.

[Forrest Blue]

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/21377935/indianapolis-colts-qb-andrew-luck-europe-seeking-treatment-right-shoulder

This keeps getting better..

Even if it's for an alternative treatment it's definitely a fucked up situation.

[kitekrazy]

Right now, Irsay does not have the experience of a Bill Polian to lean on. But, yes, he does need to hire someone to run the entire football operations.

They also don't make Bill Poilans anymore.