Interesting take on Brisset and Luck

[testcase448]

Keep the damaged Luck, and trade Jacoby...

Not sure I'd agree. Luck would bring more picks perhaps and this team isn't competitive for a couple more years.


https://horseshoeheroes.com/2017/11/03/andrew-luck-still-has-great-career-ahead-him/

[GoBigBlue88]

Um, Jacoby ain't fetching much yet anyway. Dumb thing for anyone to posit.

[testcase448]

Um, Jacoby ain't fetching much yet anyway. Dumb thing for anyone to posit.

posit?

But beyond that it just furthers my point, trade Luck. Let Jacoby take the pounding until we're rebuilt

[FatDT]

If Luck were so not worth keeping that the team would want to trade him, no other team would give up anything for him. Why would they pay for damaged goods? And if he wasn't damaged why would the Colts get rid of him?

[Maniac]

Here we go with this stupid shit again.

They aren't trading Luck. Get over it.

[Hoopsdoc]

Keep the damaged Luck, and trade Jacoby...

Not sure I'd agree. Luck would bring more picks perhaps and this team isn't competitive for a couple more years.


https://horseshoeheroes.com/2017/11/03/andrew-luck-still-has-great-career-ahead-him/

If by interesting you mean really dumb, sure.

[sherck]

(Ages as of the end of the 2017 NFL season)

2017 Passing Yards, Top 16:
01. Tom Brady, NE, 40 years old, 2,541 yards
02. Alex Smith, KC, 33 years old, 2,444 yards
03. Russell Wilson, SEA, 29 years old, 2,305 yards
04. Carson Wentz, PHI, 25 years old, 2,262 yards
05. Drew Brees, NO, 38 years old, 2,214 yards
06. Matt Ryan, ATL, 32 years old, 2,157 yards
07. Kirk Cousins, WAS, 29 years old, 2,147 yards
08. Ben Roethlisberger, PIT, 35 years old, 2,062 yards
09. Jared Geoff, LAR, 23 years old, 2,030 yards
10. Phillip Rivers, LAC, 36 years old, 2,208 yards
11. Josh McCown, NYJ, 38 years old, 1,980 yards
12. Cam Newton, CAR, 28 years old, 1,978 yards
13. Carson Palmer, ARI, 38 years old, 1,978 yards
14. Derek Carr, OAK, 26 years old, 1,954 yards
15. Jacoby Brissett, IND, 24 years old, 1,950 yards
16. Jameis Winston, TB, 23 years old, 1,920 yards

2017 Passing Completion Percentages, Top 16:
01. Drew Brees, NO, 38 years old, 71.6%
02. Josh McCown, NYJ, 38 years old, 70.4%
03. Alex Smith, KC, 33 years old, 69.6%
04. Kirk Cousins, WAS, 29 years old, 67.9%
05. Tom Brady, NE, 40 years old, 66.7%
06. Mike Glennon, CHI, 28 years old, 66.4%
07. Aaron Rodgers, GB, 34 years old, 66.3%
08. Jay Cutler, MIA, 34 years old, 66.2%
09. Matt Ryan, ATL, 32 years old, 65.6%
10. Tyrod Taylor, BUF, 28 years old, 65.3%
11. Derek Carr, OAK, 26 years old, 65.2%
12. Joe Flacco, BAL, 32 years old, 64.3%
13. Case Keenum, MIN, 29 years old, 63.9%
14. Eli Manning, NYG, 36 years old, 63.2%
15. Marcus Mariota, TEN, 24 years old, 63.2%
16. Dak Prescott, DAL, 24 years old, 62.9%

2017 Quarterback Rating, Top 16
01. Alex Smith, KC, 33 years old, 113.9
02. Tom Brady, NE, 40 years old, 106.5
03. Drew Brees, NO, 38 years old, 105.0
04. Carson Wentz, PHI, 25 years old, 104.1
05. Aaron Rodgers, GB, 34 years old, 103.2
06. Deshaun Watson, HOU, 22 years old, 103.0
07. Kirk Cousins, WAS, 29 years old, 102.0
08. Dak Prescott, DAL, 24 years old, 97.9
09. Jared Geoff, LAR, 23 years old, 97.9
10. Josh McCown, 38 years old, 97.9
11. Russell Wilson, 29 years old, 95.9
12. Tyrod Taylor, BUF, 28 years old, 95.8
13. Matt Ryan, ATL, 32 years old, 92.8
14. Derek Carr, OAK, 26 years old, 91.8
15. Matthew Stafford, DET, 29 years old, 89.6
16. Case Keenum, MIN, 29 years old, 88.8

2017 Passing TD Leaders, Top 16:
No new QBs added to list.

2017 Lowest Interception Percentage, Top 16 (minimum avg of 14 pass attempts per game):
Only one new name added:

15. Brian Hoyer, SF, 32 years old, 205 pass attempts, 4 interceptions, 2.0% INT percentage


========================


QBs in top half of league performance in 2017 by age:

40 years old = Tom Brady
39 years old =
38 years old = Drew Brees, Josh McCown, Carson Palmer
37 years old =
36 years old = Eli Manning
35 years old = Phillip Rivers, Ben Roethlisberger
34 years old = Jay Cutler, Aaron Rodgers
33 years old = Alex Smith
32 years old = Joe Flacco, Brian Hoyer, Matt Ryan
31 years old =
30 years old =
29 years old = Kirk Cousins WAS, Case Keenum MIN, Matthew Stafford DET, Russell Wilson SEA
28 years old = Mike Glennon CHI, ((Andrew Luck IND)), Cam Newton CAR, Tyrod Taylor BUF
27 years old =
26 years old = Derek Carr OAK
25 years old = Carson Wentz PHI
24 years old = Jacoby Brissett IND, Marcus Mariota TEN, Dak Prescott DAL
23 years old = Jared Geoff PHI, Jameis Winston TB
22 years old = Deshaun Watson HOU
21 years old =

13 of the 2017 top performing QBs are over the age of 32.
16 of the 2017 top performing QBs are under the age of 30 (if you add in Luck).

Of the 16 “young” QBs, those that are in the AFC:

AFC North:
BAL =
CIN =
CLE =
PIT =

AFC East:
BUF = Tyrod Taylor, 28 years old
MIA =
NYJ =
NE =

AFC West:
DEN =
KC =
LAC =
OAK = Derek Carr, 26 years old

AFC South:
HOU = Deshaun Watson, 22 years old
IND = Andrew Luck, 28 years old, Jacoby Brissett 24 years old
JAX =
TEN = Marcus Mariota, 24 years old

Other than Carr in Oakland and perhaps Taylor in Buffalo, there are no young, high performing QBs in the AFC in 2017 outside the AFC South. The Colts have two on their roster IF Luck recovers.

Let’s not trade either of them away in 2018 because there are just not enough NFL QBs that can go out and win games for you. We appear to have 2 of them on our roster for 2018. That is an advantage that you just cannot trade away in the NFL. I don’t care how much folks want to throw at you; you have to have depth at the team’s most important position.

Walk Worthy,

[DrSpaceman]

No one is giving up much for Brissett to make it worth trading him

And we aren't trading Luck

This is like all the idiots back in 2002 and 2003 or so who said Manning should be traded before he signed his second contract because he wouldn't be worth the money.

Luck is going nowhere

[Pez]

"Realistically, the Colts could trade Jacoby Brissett for a late-first to mid-second round pick after his impressive season. "

That's the kind Of deal that only Ryan Grigson would love.

[Butter]

"Realistically, the Colts could trade Jacoby Brissett for a late-first to mid-second round pick after his impressive season. "

That's the kind Of deal that only Ryan Grigson would love.
I am going with that trade does not at all realistic.

[Butter]

posit?

But beyond that it just furthers my point, trade Luck. Let Jacoby take the pounding until we're rebuilt

Just no! A franchise QB is the hardest piece to ever gat, you simply do not trade them away.

[ChoppedWood]

Can someone please get Mike Ditka or Mike Lynn, or preferably both of them on the red phone please...

[albany ed]

I don't see this team being years away. There's some young talent on this team, and they'll add some more for next season. A free agent here and there and a healthy Andrew Luck and this team wins at least 11 games next season. It all hinges on Luck. If he's healthy, we're a pretty good team, without him we're not. Jacoby is a decent #2, and is proving he's a possible starter, but he's no Andrew Luck and never will be. If you trade Luck, you are trading the future of this team, he's only 28.

[Puck]

I don't see this team being years away. There's some young talent on this team, and they'll add some more for next season. A free agent here and there and a healthy Andrew Luck and this team wins at least 11 games next season. It all hinges on Luck. If he's healthy, we're a pretty good team, without him we're not. Jacoby is a decent #2, and is proving he's a possible starter, but he's no Andrew Luck and never will be. If you trade Luck, you are trading the future of this team, he's only 28.

Agree with Luck this yr we are 7-2 right now. Possibly 8-1

[kitekrazy]

Just no! A franchise QB is the hardest piece to ever gat, you simply do not trade them away.

The Colts have been one of the luckier franchises to have 4 in their history. Teams like the Bears - never.

I think some are over valuing Brisset. If the Pats were willing to trade him despite having an aging Brady what does that tell you.

[ukcolt]

Our defense this year has been statistically horrific (quite a few points should be going against the offense with the pick 6's etc), but i see a lot of positives, along with a few absolute horrors as well.

Our defensive line has been very good, especially against the run, Hankins and Woods have been great all season. Anderson has had a couple of very good games the last couple of weeks, Margus Hunt has seen a lot of game time and has played well. Ridgeway and Stewart haven't seen a huge amount of game time, but have both been adequate as young depth players.

Our secondary has been up and down at times, but from my eyes has been markedly improved overall from last year, they at least appear to be in a position to make a play, even if they haven't always done so. A cornerback stable of Davis, Melvin, Hairston, Desir and Wilson is something i am very comfortable with, especially as we have some youngsters who will hopefully continue to improve. I was really impressed with how Desir played against Hopkins yesterday.......sure he gave up the TD, but he was playing man to may for much of the game, and had tight coverage throughout. Hairston has been an absolute revelation in the slot, and has possibly been our defensive MVP for the season. The safety position has been less encouraging, Butler seems lost much of the time, and always a step late. Hooker looked like the player we had all hoped him to be, but obviously has a serious injury to overcome. Fairley has played well enough, but T.J. Green has been as bad, if not worse than he was last year. Hopefully we will get a sighting of Geathers in action at some point soon. A healthy trio of Hooker, Geathers and Fairley ought to be something that we can rely on for a few years to come.

I have been fairly impressed with the performances of our OLB's, especially Simon, he has brought the most impact to the defense, but needs to get back on to the playing field.....Sheard has also played well against the run, although hasn't really stood out as a pass rushing force. Mingo has also been a nice addition who always gives his all. Basham has been a big disappointment, but maybe there are a few signs of some improvement of late. There has been a more consistent pass rush threat than last year, but not exactly causing major issues for the opposition offenses either. It is not as if you think we have a double digit sack candidate on the team. Then again i would never have thought that we did last year, but of course we did.

The biggest and most obvious cause for concern has been the ILB's, we just haven't got anyone who i feel should be on the roster come next season. Bostic, has been truly awful in coverage, and not a whole lot better against the run either. Morrison, just looks completely lost most of the time, George was a nice feel good player as someone making the roster from nowhere, but he really hasn't made any notable plays. Walker has barely seen the field of play, but maybe he could be a bright spot going forward, but i am not holding my breath on that happening.

I think come next season we should be ok at corner even if we were to lose Davis, the safety position is fine, i wouldn't do anything drastic along the defensive line, and believe that we can make do with the OLB's, but the ILB's both need to be replaced with new starters.

[DrSpaceman]

"Realistically, the Colts could trade Jacoby Brissett for a late-first to mid-second round pick after his impressive season. "

That's the kind Of deal that only Ryan Grigson would love.

If someone wants to give the Colts a #1 or 2 or Brissett, you take it.

Garroppolo was traded for a high second. I just don't see how anyone things Brissett would command the same or more.

[sherck]

If someone wants to give the Colts a #1 or 2 or Brissett, you take it.

Garroppolo was traded for a high second. I just don't see how anyone things Brissett would command the same or more.

094 attempts / 063 completions / 67.0% / 0,690 yards / 5 TD / 0 INT / 106.2 QB Rating / 26 years old / Jimmy Garoppolo

325 attempts / 199 completions / 61.2% / 2,350 yards / 7 TD / 4 INT / 085.3 QB Rating / 24 years old / Jacoby Brissett

The only thing that massively stands out is that, in very limited action, Jimmy G protects the ball better by not throwing picks.

Otherwise? Remember the phrase "there are not enough NLF quality QBs in the league......" If Brissett ends up the season at around a 61 - 62% completion percentage and around a 2-to-1 TD-to-INT ratio, then there will be an NFL team that would trade a 2nd round pick for him.

I am against that trade but someone would do so.

Walk Worthy,

[testcase448]

Agree with Luck this yr we are 7-2 right now. Possibly 8-1

No we're not...

[DrSpaceman]

094 attempts / 063 completions / 67.0% / 0,690 yards / 5 TD / 0 INT / 106.2 QB Rating / 26 years old / Jimmy Garoppolo

325 attempts / 199 completions / 61.2% / 2,350 yards / 7 TD / 4 INT / 085.3 QB Rating / 24 years old / Jacoby Brissett

The only thing that massively stands out is that, in very limited action, Jimmy G protects the ball better by not throwing picks.

Otherwise? Remember the phrase "there are not enough NLF quality QBs in the league......" If Brissett ends up the season at around a 61 - 62% completion percentage and around a 2-to-1 TD-to-INT ratio, then there will be an NFL team that would trade a 2nd round pick for him.

I am against that trade but someone would do so.

Walk Worthy,


There is more difference than just protecting the ball better.

The QB rating is 20 points higher and he has only thrown 7 TDs in 325 attempts.

And a completion percentage of 67% vs 61% is a big difference.

And beyond the stats there is just the obvious problem Brissett has shown making decisions quick enough to avoid sacks. And he is not just throwing INTs, he is throwing pick 6s.

But hey if someone offers, certainly take it. I just don't see it happening, especially with an upcoming draft that is deep at QB.

[testcase448]

Jacoby Brissett playing his way into a starting job

https://withthefirstpick.com/2017/11/07/jacoby-brissett-playing-way-starting-job/

The 23-year-old has been serviceable, if not spectacular, in Andrew Luck’s absence leading Indy to a 3-6 record. Though this may seem underwhelming, considering the lack of talent on this roster Brissett has done much more than expected of him.

His playmaking ability and his unflappable, mature attitude on the field have caught the eye.

He could well be a future franchise quarterback. It is doubtful if any other backup in the league could’ve won 3 games with the Colts current roster, especially not in their second year as a pro.

[DrSpaceman]

Jacoby Brissett playing his way into a starting job

https://withthefirstpick.com/2017/11/07/jacoby-brissett-playing-way-starting-job/

The 23-year-old has been serviceable, if not spectacular, in Andrew Luck’s absence leading Indy to a 3-6 record. Though this may seem underwhelming, considering the lack of talent on this roster Brissett has done much more than expected of him.

His playmaking ability and his unflappable, mature attitude on the field have caught the eye.

He could well be a future franchise quarterback. It is doubtful if any other backup in the league could’ve won 3 games with the Colts current roster, especially not in their second year as a pro.


Overstating things.

Again if someone wants to trade for him, great.

Unflappable? The last two weeks though he has made critical mistakes that resulted in two defensive TDs for the other team and cost the team one game and almost cost them a second.

He had two chances against Cincy to drive for a winning FG and failed to do so.

When the Jaguars turned up the rush in the second half he had no answer and played poorly.

He has played better than I expected, but I had low expectations for him based on the past Indy Back ups.

I truly wonder though if someone who writes articles like this is actually watching him play or just looking at his stats. Yes he has thrown "only" 4 INts, but many of those have been critical game changing INTs.

[testcase448]

Overstating things.

Again if someone wants to trade for him, great.

Unflappable? The last two weeks though he has made critical mistakes that resulted in two defensive TDs for the other team and cost the team one game and almost cost them a second.

He had two chances against Cincy to drive for a winning FG and failed to do so.

When the Jaguars turned up the rush in the second half he had no answer and played poorly.

He has played better than I expected, but I had low expectations for him based on the past Indy Back ups.

I truly wonder though if someone who writes articles like this is actually watching him play or just looking at his stats. Yes he has thrown "only" 4 INts, but many of those have been critical game changing INTs.

Valid points, but for a QB on a HORRIBLE team he has done well.
Brady MIGHT make this team .500

[Puck]

Valid points, but for a QB on a HORRIBLE team he has done well.
Brady MIGHT make this team .500

I'll add horrible team with a horrible scheme for the talent available

[1965southpaw]

I'll add horrible team with a horrible scheme for the talent available

Totally agree....I don't think we can properly assess his ceiling until he has a competent OC with a proper scheme. What's Jared Goff for 1000 Alex? That said, I discount most national opinions on anything Colts related cause they most def aren't watching the games.

[testcase448]

I'll add horrible team with a horrible scheme for the talent available

No argument here!

[DrSpaceman]

Also team is average 19 points a game with him running on the offense while they have given up about 6 or 7 a game to the D.

I think he has done a fine job with the poor coaches and what the team has.

However if you are giving up a #1 or a #2 for a QB, whether through the draft or a trade, that means you believe if you put a solid team around them you think you would be a SB contender and they can run your franchise for the next decade.

COULD that happen with Brissett? Sure he might grow into that on the right team.

Has he shown that he is definitely that QB that can be a franchise cornerstone? No, I don't think so.

I would look at it this way : hypothetically say Andrew Luck's career is over right now. Based on what you've seen from Brissett so far, are you drafting a QB in round one in 2018 with the top pick the Colts likely will have or are you sticking with him as the future starter and focusing on other areas of the team?

I can tell you I'd be drafting someone.

[testcase448]

are you drafting a QB in round one in 2018 with the top pick the Colts likely will have or are you sticking with him as the future starter and focusing on other areas of the team?

I can tell you I'd be drafting someone.

I'd build a solid team, THEN look for a franchise QB. Drafting even another Luck to throw to the wolves leaves us right where we are.
Now another Manning, who can drag a 5-11 team to 11-5, THAT is a different thing.
Luck isn't that guy, he would have been great, just not Manning great.

[albany ed]

Unless you already have one, you never pass on a potential franchise QB. But this is all just whistling in the wind. I stand firmly in the camp that Luck will return and be as good as gold. I'm an optimist, and until I hear definitive evidence that he's not coming back ... he is. Our first draft choice will be a pass rusher.

[Dam8610]

Unless you already have one, you never pass on a potential franchise QB. But this is all just whistling in the wind. I stand firmly in the camp at Luck will return and be as good as gold. I'm an optimist, and until I hear definitive evidence that he's not coming back ... he is. Our first draft choice will be a pass rusher.

Should be and hopefully will. An all LB draft would be fine with me.

[sherck]

Should be and hopefully will. An all LB draft would be fine with me.At least one O-lineman please. Unless we sign 2 multi-year starters in free agency, we need more quality on the lines.

But OLB[Rush], ILB, ILB, OL, DB in top rounds would be great.

Walk Worthy,

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[Maniac]

Now another Manning, who can drag a 5-11 team to 11-5, THAT is a different thing.
Luck isn't that guy, he would have been great, just not Manning great.

Luck was exactly that guy. He took 4-5 win teams and got them to 11 wins

[omahacolt]

At least one O-lineman please. Unless we sign 2 multi-year starters in free agency, we need more quality on the lines.

But OLB[Rush], ILB, ILB, OL, DB in top rounds would be great.

Walk Worthy,

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some version of that would be fine by me.

[HoosierinFL]

I'd build a solid team, THEN look for a franchise QB. Drafting even another Luck to throw to the wolves leaves us right where we are.
Now another Manning, who can drag a 5-11 team to 11-5, THAT is a different thing.
Luck isn't that guy, he would have been great, just not Manning great.

Mostly agree. It really depends on the qb class, I don’t follow college ball much so I have no idea if there’s a franchise qb to be had, but assuming there’s no lock, I would roll with Brissett one more year and build the trenches.

[DrSpaceman]

I'd build a solid team, THEN look for a franchise QB. Drafting even another Luck to throw to the wolves leaves us right where we are.
Now another Manning, who can drag a 5-11 team to 11-5, THAT is a different thing.
Luck isn't that guy, he would have been great, just not Manning great.

You have to take a chance at a QB when they come along and this is a deep QB draft. Again, hypothetically speaking, I would take the QB.

History of the NFL is filled with great overall teams destined to mediocrity due to not having a franchise QB

[indycolts2]

094 attempts / 063 completions / 67.0% / 0,690 yards / 5 TD / 0 INT / 106.2 QB Rating / 26 years old / Jimmy Garoppolo

325 attempts / 199 completions / 61.2% / 2,350 yards / 7 TD / 4 INT / 085.3 QB Rating / 24 years old / Jacoby Brissett

The only thing that massively stands out is that, in very limited action, Jimmy G protects the ball better by not throwing picks.

Otherwise? Remember the phrase "there are not enough NLF quality QBs in the league......" If Brissett ends up the season at around a 61 - 62% completion percentage and around a 2-to-1 TD-to-INT ratio, then there will be an NFL team that would trade a 2nd round pick for him.

I am against that trade but someone would do so.

Walk Worthy,
Great work but not weighting this somehow to credit Brissett with several handicaps, namely Pagano, Chudzinski and O-line not to mention taking over the reins after 2 weeks of cramming for the new system he is in seems unfair. People may be right and JG MAY have a stellar career justifying a high 2nd round pick. Brissett on the other hand is going to have a nice sample size for people to j6dge him by. I don't care who they have beaten but bottom line is he is 3-5 as the starting QB and if not for horrific coaching could be 4-4 or 5-3. I'm 50/50 on what should be done prior to draft. If Luck is throwing effectively without suffering any consequences then Ballard can then field calls on Brissett. If Luck is still not throwing pre draft then Brissett goes no where.

[rcubed]

Or just keep them both next year....

[Butter]

Or just keep them both next year....

I would plan o keeping at least until the season before his contract expires. The past 6 years of convinced me you need a decent Backup QB, we got way too lucky until Mannings last season.

[YDFL Commish]

I would plan o keeping at least until the season before his contract expires. The past 6 years of convinced me you need a decent Backup QB, we got way too lucky until Mannings last season.

Somehow, the legend of the backup QB's greatness only gets better over time.

[Dam8610]

I'd build a solid team, THEN look for a franchise QB. Drafting even another Luck to throw to the wolves leaves us right where we are.
Now another Manning, who can drag a 5-11 team to 11-5, THAT is a different thing.
Luck isn't that guy, he would have been great, just not Manning great.

You're wrong. See: 2012-2014.