Kravitz on JMV

[1965southpaw]

Kravitz on JMV:

He talked to "someone" (read Irsay) today re Chuckles status as head coach and the answer was: status quo.

Interpretation....Kratiz takes this to mean Chuckles will not be fired this week. He also further speculated that Irsay was prepared for this years suckage and likely won't replace him til end of year but has no doubt that Irsay is done with Chuck. Some reasons he posed for not doing this mid season is if he puts Schotteheimer or McMann ( and those are the only two he suggested as possibilities) in place and they magically do ok it will make it more difficult to move on and let Ballard pick his own person so they'd rather keep the status quo. He said if it does happen mid season it will be at the bye week. He did suggest that if Lucas Oil looks like Pittsburgh west in a few weeks (i.e. Everyone dumps their tix) that might trigger Jim.

He also reminded that Jim can flip the switch at any time. So in summary.....who the hell knows. :cool:

[omahacolt]

to be fair

pagano can really force his hand by getting blown out again this week. you just can't allow that kind every single week.

[1965southpaw]

to be fair

pagano can really force his hand by getting blown out again this week. you just can't allow that kind every single week.

I have empathy for Pags....it must be excruciating to know you're fired at the end of the season and still have to be the front man for this shit show. It HAS to be having some impact on his performance even if he doesn't realize it. Irsay really didn't do chuck any favors by retaining him. This is a classic case of the Peter principle and for his sake I do hope that Jim doesn't wait til the end of the season. It's like watching a wounded animal dying a slow death. No bueno :(

[rcubed]

I get what you are saying but he dug himself this hole and is getting paid a ton of money for it.

What was his quote last year, "they can fire you but they cant eat you" hahahahaha!

[1965southpaw]

I get what you are saying but he dug himself this hole and is getting paid a ton of money for it.

What was his quote last year, "they can fire you but they cant eat you" hahahahaha!


Lol.....I had forgotten that little gem.

[Puck]

There is no one available to to take over. Might as well keep him to see how many records he can set for stupidity

[Brylok]

to be fair

pagano can really force his hand by getting blown out again this week. you just can't allow that kind every single week.
The Pittsburgh game has doom written all over it. It will be like a home game for them. Blowout coming.

[apballin]

The Pittsburgh game has doom written all over it. It will be like a home game for them. Blowout coming.

What's different from any other game for the rest of the year?

[apballin]

I get what you are saying but he dug himself this hole and is getting paid a ton of money for it.

What was his quote last year, "they can fire you but they cant eat you" hahahahaha!

He's had a good run, he'll get another job

[njcoltfan]

He's had a good run, he'll get another job

True, but not in football.

[apballin]

True, but not in football.

Sure he will just might be college

[1965southpaw]

Sure he will just might be college

If Chuck is to be believed, you are both wrong. Two years ago when his head was first on the chopping block he said the Colts gig would be his last in coaching....he plans to retire and spend time with the grandkids.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/21/pagano-says-colts-job-is-his-last-job/

[Spike]

If Chuck is to be believed, you are both wrong. Two years ago when his head was first on the chopping block he said the Colts gig would be his last in coaching....he plans to retire and spend time with the grandkids.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/21/pagano-says-colts-job-is-his-last-job/

It will definitely be his last head coaching job that's for damn sure. Nobody in their right mind would hire this clown.

[Dewey 5]

If Chuck is to be believed, you are both wrong. Two years ago when his head was first on the chopping block he said the Colts gig would be his last in coaching....he plans to retire and spend time with the grandkids.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/09/21/pagano-says-colts-job-is-his-last-job/

Good for him. I don't wish the man any ill will. He will never have to work if he chooses not to so go enjoy life.

I just don't him want coaching my team or anywhere near it in any capacity.

[NextManUp]

True, but not in football.

Lumberjack.

[HoosierinFL]

Slightly unrelated but i just saw on reddit rumors out of Arizona that Arians plans to resign at the end of the year. I can only take that to mean he is coming back.

[Gimmick]

You guys are crazy. Pagano will definitely get an assistant job in the NFL if he wants to keep coaching. I don't know if he will be any good at it or not, but he would definitely get hired again.

[kitekrazy]

I'm startin to believe the coordinators are even worse.

[Brylok]

What's different from any other game for the rest of the year?
The optics. Pittsburgh, Green Bay, and the Cowboys have the biggest traveling fan bases in the NFL. People think that last Sunday was rock bottom. No,no. JAX didn't have 10,000+ fans in our stadium. The Steelers will. And I have little doubt that they'll blow us out worse than Jacksonville did. They usually do. THAT might be rock bottom. When Jim Irsay sees a sea of black and yellow, towel-waving morons taking over his stadium and cheering on their team as they beat the Colts by 40 or more. That's the difference.

[FatDT]

Slightly unrelated but i just saw on reddit rumors out of Arizona that Arians plans to resign at the end of the year. I can only take that to mean he is coming back.

Ugh. No. We need an offense that doesn't get QBs hit all the time.

[albany ed]

He's had a good run, he'll get another job

Maybe, but not as a Head Coach, (IMO). Bottom line, HC is too much for him. The shame is that because of his failure at this job, so many people are down on him. Personally, he seems like a very nice guy that we would all think highly of. The problem is that this job is way over his head. He can't handle it, but it's not from a lack of trying. I'm sure that when the axe finally does fall, he'll be relieved. Nothing personal Chuck, we're just fans that want to see our team succeed.

[FatDT]

Rod Marinelli coached the 0-16 Lions a few years ago. He'll probably never be a HC again but he's known as a pretty solid DC in Dallas now. Pagano could probably have a similar career if he wanted.

Edit: shit that winless season was 9 years ago.

[njcoltfan]

Rod Marinelli coached the 0-16 Lions a few years ago. He'll probably never be a HC again but he's known as a pretty solid DC in Dallas now. Pagano could probably have a similar career if he wanted.

Edit: shit that winless season was 9 years ago.

It’s gonna be a long time before the Colts are relavent again.

[southside asshole]

Slightly unrelated but i just saw on reddit rumors out of Arizona that Arians plans to resign at the end of the year. I can only take that to mean he is coming back.

I saw that too, and if Grigson were still here, I might consider him a lock for Colts HC next year. But I expect Ballard is going to want someone new to the organization.

[FatDT]

It’s gonna be a long time before the Colts are relavent again.

With the right coaching staff I don't agree. Luck healthy, with an improved line, coherent offensive strategy, multiple high draft picks that improve depth at worst, and a defense that puts players in position to succeed, means we are playoff contenders next year.

[southside asshole]

With the right coaching staff I don't agree. Luck healthy, with an improved line, coherent offensive strategy, multiple high draft picks that improve depth at worst, and a defense that puts players in position to succeed, means we are playoff contenders next year.

I don't know, man. What you're describing sounds like the installation of a drastically new system and culture. That takes time and effort. I want you to be right but at the moment I'm just not feeling the optimism.

A coherent offensive strategy and a defense that puts players in position to succeed both represent significant systematic changes in every facet of game preparation and execution. I just don't see getting to that from where we are in a single offseason.

[DrSpaceman]

I don't know, man. What you're describing sounds like the installation of a drastically new system and culture. That takes time and effort. I want you to be right but at the moment I'm just not feeling the optimism.

A coherent offensive strategy and a defense that puts players in position to succeed both represent significant systematic changes in every facet of game preparation and execution. I just don't see getting to that from where we are in a single offseason.

Even the defense has talent and I think with a good coach they can be average in a year.

The DL is solid. The secondary has some good players, just not the ones they always choose to play.

The weakness on this team on D is linebackers and coaching.

The offense, you put Luck out there next season and its back to a top offense. Also give Mack another year of experience and use him correctly, adds a completely different element to the offense the team has not had in years.

Still need to upgrade OL of course.

I am not saying this team will win a SB next year. but the team has potential. and the afc pretty mediocre overall

[rcubed]

I don't know, man. What you're describing sounds like the installation of a drastically new system and culture. That takes time and effort. I want you to be right but at the moment I'm just not feeling the optimism.

A coherent offensive strategy and a defense that puts players in position to succeed both represent significant systematic changes in every facet of game preparation and execution. I just don't see getting to that from where we are in a single offseason.
depends on your definition of a long time. if ballard is solid in talent acquisition and installs a good coaching staff, we could be good in a couple years.

as for playoff contenders, that could easily come next year with a healthy luck. all they have to do is win the south, and the rest of the south still stinks for the most part.

[southside asshole]

depends on your definition of a long time. if ballard is solid in talent acquisition and installs a good coaching staff, we could be good in a couple years.

as for playoff contenders, that could easily come next year with a healthy luck. all they have to do is win the south, and the rest of the south still stinks for the most part.

Alright. Solid points.

And yeah, don't lump me in with those saying it'll be a decade of suck before we are a competitive team. I was just responding to FatDT about his speculation that we could be contenders next year.

I'll agree with you both that it's possible we could be, but it's too early for me to even consider whether it's plausible.

[HoosierinFL]

All you gotta do is look at the Rams if you want reason for optimism. I don't think anyone thought they had the talent to compete this year, even with the coaching changes. I think we have some good talent here and it will improve in 2018 - I still like Ballard's draft and think he'll have another good one.
We just need the right coaches and scheme to use the talent properly - and really a HUGE part of that right now is the offensive scheme. The blocking scheme, the route design, the timing, it's all wrong for the personnel we have. Even the runs they call for Mack are wrong half the time.

[1965southpaw]

All you gotta do is look at the Rams if you want reason for optimism. I don't think anyone thought they had the talent to compete this year, even with the coaching changes. I think we have some good talent here and it will improve in 2018 - I still like Ballard's draft and think he'll have another good one.
We just need the right coaches and scheme to use the talent properly - and really a HUGE part of that right now is the offensive scheme. The blocking scheme, the route design, the timing, it's all wrong for the personnel we have. Even the runs they call for Mack are wrong half the time.


I agree. A sea change is possible in just one year.....and my aspiration is to compete/win the AFC south next year.....not SB. But I think that's only achievable if two conditions are met

1. Irsay steps back and lets Ballard pick his man
2. Ballard proves to be as good at talent assessment of coaching/ leadership as he seems to be of football talent. Those are obviously very different attributes and we don't really have evidence of that capability yet. The young Rams guy (forget his name) is evidence that you don't have to bias experience to succeed but there are a lot of first time coaches that can and do fail.

I think it's still likely that Irsay will want to make another play for Gruden/harbaugh as he did last year. If he does and succeeds landing his "big name" I think it may take a bit longer for the org to right itself because you have to work out the Irsay/Ballard/big name coach dynamic. That's a degree of org disruption that will take some time to work out even it it ultimately leads to big success.

I really don't think football talent is the biggest variable.....not saying we don't need another big infusion but based on what we've seen of Ballard so far makes me feel pretty good he will make more good choices in the draft/free agency.

[FatDT]

I don't know, man. What you're describing sounds like the installation of a drastically new system and culture. That takes time and effort. I want you to be right but at the moment I'm just not feeling the optimism.

A coherent offensive strategy and a defense that puts players in position to succeed both represent significant systematic changes in every facet of game preparation and execution. I just don't see getting to that from where we are in a single offseason.

IMO the new culture is already chambered and ready to fire, but Pagano and his staff have to go. That culture is about competition, proving yourself, and winning. That's what Ballard has talked about, but he can't implement it with these losers in charge of the practices, game plan, and gameday rosters. Winning and losing cultures can't co-exist, you have to cut out the losers.

That return to a winning culture will come to fruition once Ballard brings in his guy, and that guy brings in his assistants. Whether that's Taub, or McDaniels, or Harbaugh, or whoever, it'll be someone that doesn't clap like a dummy when a player fails to execute.

If we were in a more competitive division, then yeah playoff contention next year wouldn't seem very likely. And the Jags and Texans have some juice they haven't had previously. But I'm still not worried about them or the Tits like a Bengals fan worries about the Steelers and Ravens. Not at all. When Luck gets back he will again be far and away the best QB in the division.

I really like the pieces we have on defense already. Give even Manusky this roster and we'd have a top 10-12 defense IMO. Davis, Melvin, Wilson, Hairston, Hooker, Geathers are 5 pretty good, great, or high-potential players. I expected more from them this season, but no one anticipated this trainwreck. At OLB I think Simon and Sheard are again pretty good. There's no depth behind them, we need Basham to develop and we need to draft a pass rusher with elite potential. ILB is a mess. And at DL, again I think we have some pretty good players. Hankins, Woods, and Anderson are three quality starters. Hunt is better than expected. The depth after them is questionable. These guys are an elite pass rusher, improved play at ILB, and a good DC away from greatness.

On offense, just buy an OL if you have to. We have Kelly. Castonzo is good enough to not worry about this year. But once again we need talent infusion. If Luck is protected, Hilton, Doyle, and whoever else will get open enough that he'll get them the ball. Just focus on OL.

I don't think we're that far away from contending at all, as long as we get the right coaching staff.

[omahacolt]

I have empathy for Pags....it must be excruciating to know you're fired at the end of the season and still have to be the front man for this shit show. It HAS to be having some impact on his performance even if he doesn't realize it. Irsay really didn't do chuck any favors by retaining him. This is a classic case of the Peter principle and for his sake I do hope that Jim doesn't wait til the end of the season. It's like watching a wounded animal dying a slow death. No bueno :(

it is his fault.

i don't feel sorry for him at all

[omahacolt]

It’s gonna be a long time before the Colts are relavent again.
not if luck is healthy

[Butter]

not if luck is healthy

IF he is not permanently broken we have one of the most capable people in the most important and hardest to fill position. This team can turn around quickly with competent leadership and a healthy Luck.

[Racehorse]

IF he is not permanently broken we have one of the most capable people in the most important and hardest to fill position. This team can turn around quickly with competent leadership and a healthy Luck.

I wish we had just one of the two right now, but it will be nice to have both next year.

[Butter]

I wish we had just one of the two right now, but it will be nice to have both next year.

That is the dream, my friend.

[njcoltfan]

not if luck is healthy

I hope your right, but that's a big if, considering that he's not even practicing.

[rcubed]

I hope your right, but that's a big if, considering that he's not even practicing.
next year. I dont think we are seeing luck at all (or much) this year.

[1965southpaw]

We're number 1!!!! We are leading the league in number of chunk plays allowed (defined as plays greater than 20 yards).

Congratulations, ya know, I'm really, really proud. Chuck

[apballin]

We're number 1!!!! We are leading the league in number of chunk plays allowed (defined as plays greater than 20 yards).

Congratulations, ya know, I'm really, really proud. Chuck

11 new starters on D, and an offense that does nothing but go 3 and out in the 2nd half that's what happens

[YDFL Commish]

11 new starters on D, and an offense that does nothing but go 3 and out in the 2nd half that's what happens

Fukn excuses!

[nate505]

We're number 1!!!! We are leading the league in number of chunk plays allowed (defined as plays greater than 20 yards).

Congratulations, ya know, I'm really, really proud. Chuck

They'll start calling them Chuck plays now.

[omahacolt]

11 new starters on D, and an offense that does nothing but go 3 and out in the 2nd half that's what happens

a vast number of players that pagano can't make work in this defense. common denominator