Jack Doyle to Test the Market

[Coltsalr]

Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter
Despite the Colts' attempts to sign him over the past week, Colts TE Jack Doyle has plans to test free-agent market, per source.


This is probably for the best. Yes, he's a nice player and it's not like this addition by subtraction by any means, and one could certainly argue over whether he'd be more deserving of a long-term contract over Dwayne Allen, but of all the holes this team has, dedicating significant resources to TE, where resources are already dedicated doesn't seem practical. Allen/Swoope would be a TE duo that I'd expect should do well enough, particularly with the amount we've already invested in WR.

The bottom line is, the amount of money that we'd have to offer him right now to convince him to not even test the FA market is more than we should be giving him, period. If he comes back and is willing to sign at a number that makes sense for us (what we're likely offering him now, as Schefter is reporting the Colts have tried to extend him), then wonderful.

[sherck]

Sigh, this is sad for me I haved liked him since day one. It is a thin free agency class for TE so someone will throw big bucks at him and he will be a quality player for someone else.

TE class in draft is deep. I could see use using a 4th, 5th or 6th on TE now which sucks since i want all defense except for mud round RB.

Cheers,

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[Colt Classic]

At least they'll have Allen for maybe 9 games.

[Indiana V2]

Well that sucks, strike one, Ballard.

[omahacolt]

Sigh, this is sad for me I haved liked him since day one. It is a thin free agency class for TE so someone will throw big bucks at him and he will be a quality player for someone else.

TE class in draft is deep. I could see use using a 4th, 5th or 6th on TE now which sucks since i want all defense except for mud round RB.

Cheers,

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only gay people post "sigh" on a message board

i like doyle but i like that we are being smart with the offer. i hope we bring him back but if he gets a big deal then good for him.

and you always like white players from the start.

[sherck]

I had really hoped that when I became a Mod, I could ban Omaha.

Cheers,

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[omahacolt]

I had really hoped that when I became a Mod, I could ban Omaha.

Cheers,

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sounds like something you would do

ban me because you are a racist

[sherck]

To you, everyone but yourself is racist.

Cheers,

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[omahacolt]

To you, everyone but yourself is racist.

Cheers,

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that is not true at all


dam isn't racist. he is retarded, so he doesn't know any better

[sherck]

Okay, I doing care who you are.

That was funny.

Cheers,

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[natagu23]

Let him walk.

We'll get another white guy to replace him.

[rcubed]

I would like to have him come back, he is a solid contributor to the team. however, it's not worth overpaying him.

If he gets a contract outside ballard's desired figure, then good for jack.

[sherck]

I would like to have him come back, he is a solid contributor to the team. however, it's not worth overpaying him.

If he gets a contract outside ballard's desired figure, then good for jack.
He will. He is blooming into a all-around weapon and will hwlp someone out greatly.

Someone will pay big bucks.

Cheers,

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[bertjones]

Of our vaunted receiver group only he and Hilton held up their end
last year. Yeah, let him walk.

[ukcolt]

I would hope that if they are seriously considering allowing Doyle to walk that they are really keen on Swoope stepping up. Although our offensive line seemed to improve, we could take another step backwards due to the reduced blocking ability of our TE's....Doyle was very good at this aspect of the game.

I actually think that if i had to make a choice between Doyle and Allen i would prefer to keep Doyle. Although when healthy i think Allen is an outstanding player and probably has a higher ceiling than Doyle.

[Maniac]

Well that sucks, strike one, Ballard.

Why is that?

Do you think that Ballard isn't giving a fair offer, or do you think that he should overpay no matter what the price in order to keep him?

It is likely that Doyle's agent told him to turn down the Colts offer unless they were overpaying to see what he can get on the free agent market, and he may be right. They may find a team or two that will be willing to overpay. That isn't Ballard's fault. Doyle is a solid player, but not someone to pay crazy money to.

[njcoltfan]

He will. He is blooming into a all-around weapon and will hwlp someone out greatly.

Someone will pay big bucks.

Cheers,

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He's the only TE on the team that can catch AND block without getting hurt.

[Indiana V2]

Why is that?

Do you think that Ballard isn't giving a fair offer, or do you think that he should overpay no matter what the price in order to keep him?

It is likely that Doyle's agent told him to turn down the Colts offer unless they were overpaying to see what he can get on the free agent market, and he may be right. They may find a team or two that will be willing to overpay. That isn't Ballard's fault. Doyle is a solid player, but not someone to pay crazy money to.

A) It was obvious that Luck has a comfort level with Doyle.

B) Doyle is more than just solid, he was great last season.

C) I could see us regretting it if Doyle signs with another team...like how Grigson didn't want to pay Jerrel Freeman.

[natagu23]

A) It was obvious that Luck has a comfort level with Doyle.

B) Doyle is more than just solid, he was great last season.

C) I could see us regretting it if Doyle signs with another team...like how Grigson didn't want to pay Jerrel Freeman.

He had a solid season. I dont know about great.

Andrew Luck is a great qb, and im sure he'll continue to be with Allen, Swoope, and insert name here.

I would like to resign him, but lets not forget who was pitching him the ball.

[FatDT]

He started off great, but didn't stay at the same level all season. Not his fault, I think the offense just featured him less. That is my impression anyway, no stats to back that up at all.

I hope he comes back but TE is low on the list of concerns. Can't pay him and Allen the same amount and sink too many cap dollars into that position.

[PeytonsForehead]

TE is definitely the least of my concerns this off-season. If he sign's elsewhere then good on him for parlaying his stellar year into some additional money.

[DrSpaceman]

I hate to see him go but I also don't want to pay him $5-6 million a year to stay.

Plus I think Swoope if given a chance can play well in his place.

[Maniac]

A) It was obvious that Luck has a comfort level with Doyle.

B) Doyle is more than just solid, he was great last season.

C) I could see us regretting it if Doyle signs with another team...like how Grigson didn't want to pay Jerrel Freeman.

Comfort levels don't mean you should massively overpay someone. I don't think he was great last season. I think he was good at times, very good at times, but great? No.

It sucks that we'll have to spend another draft pick that could be used for defense possibly on a TE now (if they don't pick up another in free agency), but if Doyle wants ridiculous money, you just can't give him that just because.

[Colt Classic]

Go get paid, dude, you earned it.

[albany ed]

One of my Giants fan friends tells me Big Blue wants him. They'll overpay him, so for Doyle, that's good. I'm OK with not overpaying him. Colts have more important needs for their dollar.

[VeveJones007]

Comfort levels don't mean you should massively overpay someone. I don't think he was great last season. I think he was good at times, very good at times, but great? No.

It sucks that we'll have to spend another draft pick that could be used for defense possibly on a TE now (if they don't pick up another in free agency), but if Doyle wants ridiculous money, you just can't give him that just because.

Agreed on the first point, but I'm not sure you need to spend a pick on TE with Allen and Swoope on the roster. I'd look at UDFA or a later tier of free agency for cheap depth.

[DrSpaceman]

I am not paying him $5million, or whatever he will likely ask, a year because of a "comfort level".

[sherck]

I think most of you are underestimating Doyle's value to our offense.

I hope I am wrong but I could see our offense struggling to consistently drive the field if someone else does not step up to join Hilton as a consistent receiver.

Cheers,

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[natagu23]

I think most of you are underestimating Doyle's value to our offense.

I hope I am wrong but I could see our offense struggling to consistently drive the field if someone else does not step up to join Hilton as a consistent receiver.

Cheers,

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No. I think you're overestimating Doyle's value to our offense. Draft another TE in the middle of the draft, and pick up a couple UDFAs after the draft and let them duke it out in training camp. Doyle is estimated to make at least 6.2 million a year. F**k that.

Im not interested in throwing more money to the TE group. It makes no sense, especially with all the needs we have.

Doyle is doing the right thing trying to maximize is profits, but at the same time he can go f**k himself.

[Butter]

I am not paying him $5million, or whatever he will likely ask, a year because of a "comfort level".

I would go 5 for him,but not much more, I suspect he will get more.

[Flexo]

Am I the only colts fan who thinks Doyle is mediocre and replaceable? Sign a replacement level tight end in free agency and load up on defense in the draft.

[sherck]

I hope all of you are right and I am wrong but I think Jack Doyle is a pretty important cog that we don't have a sure-fire replacement for.

Allen, Moncrief, Dorsett, Rodgers or Swoope might step up and replace him as a "go-to" guy but all we have at the moment is "hope and prayer" which I hate relying on.

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[YDFL Commish]

Yeah, not much value in a guy that catches everything thrown his way and is never injured.

He can be easily replaced. :rolleyes:

[Butter]

Am I the only colts fan who thinks Doyle is mediocre and replaceable? Sign a replacement level tight end in free agency and load up on defense in the draft.

Probably not. He is not a superstar, but he is a solid TE.

[omahacolt]

I think most of you are underestimating Doyle's value to our offense.

I hope I am wrong but I could see our offense struggling to consistently drive the field if someone else does not step up to join Hilton as a consistent receiver.

Cheers,

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i think you and most colts fans highly overrate doyle. i like him. great guy. good all around player but he is very replaceable

[omahacolt]

Am I the only colts fan who thinks Doyle is mediocre and replaceable? Sign a replacement level tight end in free agency and load up on defense in the draft.

no

you aren't. but there aren't many

[YDFL Commish]

i think you and most colts fans highly overrate doyle. i like him. great guy. good all around player but he is very replaceable

I agree that's what Doyle is, a good all around player.

Isn't a good all around player worth $5 million to $6 million? If he wants more than that, then the Colts should let him see if he can get it.

[omahacolt]

I agree that's what Doyle is, a good all around player.

Isn't a good all around player worth $5 million to $6 million? If he wants more than that, then the Colts should let him see if he can get it.

sure. Why not?

I don't care

[edgeman]

Reports say Doyle set to sign three year with the Colts


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[Indiana V2]

Reports say Doyle set to sign three year with the Colts


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Just came here to post this. Glad to have him back.

[omahacolt]

6 plus a year.

Good for him

[sherck]

Some are going to blast this move but this was worth it. We had tons of cap space and he is a plus player.

My guess is that Allen is on notice and if he does not have a good year, he could be a cap casualty next year

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[omahacolt]

Some are going to blast this move but this was worth it. We had tons of cap space and he is a plus player.

My guess is that Allen is on notice and if he does not have a good year, he could be a cap casualty next year

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I don't think anyone will really blast the move. Some might want to spend a little less but who cares. He is a good dude and good player

[FatDT]

I'm happy to have him back, I think $6 million per is great.

[Coltsalr]

Yeah, not blasting the move, but a bit surprised.

$6M was fine. $13M per year for our TE corps is probably a bit high, but nothing worth throwing a fit over.

Good to see good things happen to good people.

[Puck]

Yeah, not blasting the move, but a bit surprised.

$6M was fine. $13M per year for our TE corps is probably a bit high, but nothing worth throwing a fit over.

Good to see good things happen to good people.

Chud is suppose to be a TE guru. So maybe he got what he wants.... I think they trade Allen now actually

[omahacolt]

Chud is suppose to be a TE guru. So maybe he got what he wants.... I think they trade Allen now actually

i don't see allen being moveable with that contract

[Coltsalr]

@HolderStephen
For the record, I do not anticipate Doyle's re-signing changing Dwayne Allen's status with the #Colts based on what I know.

@HolderStephen
Tight end is a strength of the team. I believe the thinking is they want to keep it that way.

[Butter]

i don't see allen being moveable with that contract

With his recent injury issues and mediocre performance not likely. Hopefully, he stays healthy and plays like he showed he could early in his career.

[VeveJones007]

Yeah, not blasting the move, but a bit surprised.

$6M was fine. $13M per year for our TE corps is probably a bit high, but nothing worth throwing a fit over.

Good to see good things happen to good people.

Too much in the TE position, but I don't expect Allen to make it to the end of his deal so it isn't a big deal.

I really hope they make a push for NT on day one. Poe or Williams would be huge upgrades.

[FatDT]

Too much in the TE position, but I don't expect Allen to make it to the end of his deal so it isn't a big deal.

I really hope they make a push for NT on day one. Poe or Williams would be huge upgrades.

Poe has more name recognition for his one really good season, but after reading more about his back surgery and how much it has affected him, I think I'd rather go with Williams. But Ballard knows better than most how to approach Poe so I am not going to worry about it.

[ukcolt]

We have quite a lot of money invested in our starting TE's, but they are both starters and other than Hilton we have little to nothing invested in our receivers. We have Hilton, Moncrief, Allen, Doyle and Gore as our offensive specialists and now all are paid as starters except Moncrief. Our 3rd receiver Dorsett is also not on a big contract. To me we are actually still probably below the league average for the overall contract value of our offensive specialists, even if you were to include Luck.

Luck = $19.4m
Hilton = $10.0m
Moncrief = $1.9m
Allen = $6.0m
Doyle = $6.0m
Gore = $3.5m
Total spend = $46.8m


Looking at the money spent on the team, we have practically nothing invested on the offensive line besides the $12.8m for Castonzo. It's less than $8m for every other body currently on our roster which includes names that i have never heard of. The other main guys, Mewhort, Kelly, Haeg, Clark, Good and Blythe combine for a total of $6m. Obviously after this season Mewhort is going to get a nice contract extension.

I really do think that we will be making a bit of a splash in free agency hopefully spending $7-8m a year on Larry Warford.

A starting line of Castonzo, Mewhort, Kelly, Warford and Clark, with Haeg, Good and Blythe possibly Harrison as backups would look fine in my eyes.

[Brylok]

I'm glad Doyle is staying. Now fix the defense.

[DrSpaceman]

I am glad Doyle is staying but I agree that is a lot to invest in two tight ends.

[sherck]

I am glad Doyle is staying but I agree that is a lot to invest in two tight ends.
Just pretend one of them is a WR.

Then, we have two highly paid WRs (Hilton, Allen) and one highly paid TE (Doyle) and no one would bat an eye at that pay structure.

As of right now, those three guys are 3 of 4 targets whom Luck trusts and depends on the most (add in Moncrief) and whom will power our passing offense with others chipping in bit roles (Dorsett, Rogers, Swoope, Gore).

I fully expect both Allen and Doyle to deliver in 2017 or else know that they will be gone probably starting next year; especially if Swoope continues to progress. I suspect that Allen is much more on the bubble than Doyle because, so far, Doyle has only shown year-to-year improvement in his game.

Next year, our "highly paid" receivers might be Hilton, Moncrief and Doyle and I don't think anyone would have an issue with it and be saying "you can't pay that much money to your wide receivers!!!!"

Cheers,

[bertjones]

I'm very glad. I think if you have a proven producer on your team you pay
him unless his demands are outrageous or the teams cap prohibits it, neither
of which came into play here. The draft and to some extent, free agency
are crapshoots. You just don't let talent that you have slip through your fingers.

[DrSpaceman]

Just pretend one of them is a WR.

Then, we have two highly paid WRs (Hilton, Allen) and one highly paid TE (Doyle) and no one would bat an eye at that pay structure.

As of right now, those three guys are 3 of 4 targets whom Luck trusts and depends on the most (add in Moncrief) and whom will power our passing offense with others chipping in bit roles (Dorsett, Rogers, Swoope, Gore).

I fully expect both Allen and Doyle to deliver in 2017 or else know that they will be gone probably starting next year; especially if Swoope continues to progress. I suspect that Allen is much more on the bubble than Doyle because, so far, Doyle has only shown year-to-year improvement in his game.

Next year, our "highly paid" receivers might be Hilton, Moncrief and Doyle and I don't think anyone would have an issue with it and be saying "you can't pay that much money to your wide receivers!!!!"

Cheers,

Except they aren't WRs or used like WRs, neither one of them

I like what Doyle does for the team but he clearly is a tight end. And Allen is not healthy enough and on the field enough to justify the money he was paid last year.

If one of them were used like a WR, in the slot like a Jimmy Graham or even how Dallas Clark was used with Manning, you'd have a better argument.

I understand what you are saying, but just paying a tight end more money because your WRs don't make as much and aren't used as much is a hard justification.

The answer should be the find a way to use the WRs you have more, not pay the tight ends more because your offensive scheme relies on them the most.

[Wyatt]

http://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2017/03/08/colts-doyle-strike-team-friendly-contract/98905360/

Sounds like it is structured pretty nicely to help us moving forward, also note he is now the 16th highest paid TE in the league.

[sherck]

$8.000m cap hit in 2017 including all of the $7.500m guaranteed money.

$5.250m cap hit in 2018

$5.650m cap hit in 2019

Good contract.

NOTE: No signing bonus. Almost all the guaranteed money was roster bonus so none of the "pro-rated" cap hits push into future years. If Jack gets cut (or traded away to a rival team), we have no dead cap to eat.

I like the structure.

Cheers,

[Dam8610]

$8.000m cap hit in 2017 including all of the $7.500m guaranteed money.

$5.250m cap hit in 2018

$5.650m cap hit in 2019

Good contract.

NOTE: No signing bonus. Almost all the guaranteed money was roster bonus so none of the "pro-rated" cap hits push into future years. If Jack gets cut (or traded away to a rival team), we have no dead cap to eat.

I like the structure.

Cheers,

Well, hopefully this calms the concerns over Ballard as contract writer. That's actually a great deal for the Colts. It's essentially a 1 year $8 million deal with two team options at $5.25 and $5.65 million.

[VeveJones007]

Poe has more name recognition for his one really good season, but after reading more about his back surgery and how much it has affected him, I think I'd rather go with Williams. But Ballard knows better than most how to approach Poe so I am not going to worry about it.

Sounds like Poe is willing to take a one year deal to show that he's healthy. That might be intriguing if the bidding on Williams is getting crazy.

[rcubed]

So if he proves it for one year are you willing to then sign him long term for big money?

If not then whats the point?

[VeveJones007]

So if he proves it for one year are you willing to then sign him long term for big money?

If not then whats the point?

If he's good, then he contributes in 2017 and then you have the inside track to re-sign him (or franchise tag him).

If he's bad/average, then you don't have a hit past 2017 on your books. As they say in baseball, there's no such thing as a bad one year contract.

[Wyatt]

@ColtsEdwardsC 1h1 hour ago
Since 2013, @Colts TE-Jack Doyle has the highest catch percentage (79.7) among all @NFL tight ends who were targeted at least 100 times

[sherck]

@ColtsEdwardsC 1h1 hour ago
Since 2013, @Colts TE-Jack Doyle has the highest catch percentage (79.7) among all @NFL tight ends who were targeted at least 100 times
Amen, brother!

That is why he is rolling in money, money, money!

Cheers,

[Colts And Orioles]

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(9 MONTHS LATER)


Jack Doyle is 2nd in the NFL for receptions by a tight end. He has 64, while Travis Kelce of the Chiefs has 73.

That's the good news.

The bad news is that the article in which I got that information from has the Colts ranked 30th out of 32 teams in the NFL, ahead of only the Giants and the Browns.




Week 15 NFL Power Rankings: Biggest Breakthroughs for Every Team

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http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/NFLpowerrankingsx171212/nfl-2017-week-15-power-rankings-biggest-statistical-breakthroughs-all-32-teams-pittsburgh-steelers-unseat-new-england-patriots-no1-spot


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[Luck4Reich]

Did we really need to bring a dead thread back from the dead?:cool:

[Puck]

Yea this pisses me off i thought it was a new thread. I read through 5 pages trying to figure out who the new guy. Allen was.

I was confused. Cause I thought Doyle signed more than a one yr deal but thought I missed something

So fuck you C&O Damn it

Yea go ahead and laugh fuckers

[rcubed]

^^^ hahaha....dumbass.

[Colts And Orioles]

Yea this pisses me off i thought it was a new thread. I read through 5 pages trying to figure out who the new guy. Allen was.

I was confused. Cause I thought Doyle signed more than a one yr deal but thought I missed something

So fuck you C&O Damn it

Yea go ahead and laugh fuckers




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In addition to the fact that the date of every OP is always shown at the top of the post, I also made it clear in my post that it was 9 months later.

In my rat's ass of an opinion, that is plenty in terms of hints/clues that the thread is not new, and that you don't necessarily have to pore through 5 pages of posts to realize this.



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(9 MONTHS LATER)


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[Coltsalr]

Adam Schefter@AdamSchefter
Despite the Colts' attempts to sign him over the past week, Colts TE Jack Doyle has plans to test free-agent market, per source.


This is probably for the best. Yes, he's a nice player and it's not like this addition by subtraction by any means, and one could certainly argue over whether he'd be more deserving of a long-term contract over Dwayne Allen, but of all the holes this team has, dedicating significant resources to TE, where resources are already dedicated doesn't seem practical. Allen/Swoope would be a TE duo that I'd expect should do well enough, particularly with the amount we've already invested in WR.

The bottom line is, the amount of money that we'd have to offer him right now to convince him to not even test the FA market is more than we should be giving him, period. If he comes back and is willing to sign at a number that makes sense for us (what we're likely offering him now, as Schefter is reporting the Colts have tried to extend him), then wonderful.

I stand by this...

[OneVoice]

I stand by this...

Colts have a gazillion dollars in cap space, why are you worried about Doyle versus Allen?

[DrSpaceman]

I don't think we can judge Doyle based on one season under a bad staff and a back up QB starting all season

He has had some down games, but still has made some good plays all season and has been pretty reliable.

And Dwayne Allen has done nothing in NE. Even when Gronk has been hurt. Had at least one drop I saw in the Miami game, which has been his problem his whole career.

[Butter]

Colts have a gazillion dollars in cap space, why are you worried about Doyle versus Allen?

It is idiotic

[Pez]

I don't think we can judge Doyle based on one season under a bad staff and a back up QB starting all season

He has had some down games, but still has made some good plays all season and has been pretty reliable.

...


Agree here, except to say that we should judge each player by how they performed this season, taking those factors into account as well.

I think we saw Doyle do his best to step up and deliver under tough circumstances. Can we say the same thing for Kamar Aiken, or TY Hilton.

Without fear there cannot be courage. If nothing else, this throwaway season is telling us about the players we have across all levels of our roster.

[Brylok]

If nothing else, this throwaway season is telling us about the players we have across all levels of our roster.

Not so much with TY and Moncrief. It's hard to grade them when they're playing in Chud's idiotic scheme with a backup QB who is running for his life. And when he isn't running for his life, he has trouble with his progressions and finding receivers down field.

[rcubed]

Not so much with TY and Moncrief. It's hard to grade them when they're playing in Chud's idiotic scheme with a backup QB who is running for his life. And when he isn't running for his life, he has trouble with his progressions and finding receivers down field.
Mostly agree with you. But TY has had some big games with those parameters. I just havent seen moncrief having those impacts. It may be this is what you get with moncrief. I will be interested to see what decision ballard makes with him.

[Pez]

Mostly agree with you. But TY has had some big games with those parameters. I just havent seen moncrief having those impacts. It may be this is what you get with moncrief. I will be interested to see what decision ballard makes with him.

In that same vein, didnt irsay say something about pags' job was not dependent on win-loss record, but rather on player development? I swear I read that somewhere...

Agree it will be Interesting to see if DM is on this team next year.

[Colts And Orioles]

I don't think we can judge Doyle based on one season under a bad staff and a back-up QB starting all season.

He has had some down games, but still has made some good plays all season and has been pretty reliable.

And Dwayne Allen has done nothing in NE. Even when Gronk has been hurt. Had at least one drop I saw in the Miami game, which has been his problem his whole career.




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Doyle has played in 12 games so far (he missed the 49ers game with a concussion), and he already has more catches (64) than he has ever had in his career, and there are still 3 games left to be played.

Out of all of the tight ends in the NFL, only Travis Kelce of the Chiefs has more (73) ........ and Kelce has been targeted 24 more times than has Doyle (108 targets for Kelce, 84 targets for Doyle.)


That statistic alone under the circumstances that you pointed out (a back-up QB and a bad coaching staff) is pretty impressive.


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[Butter]

can't see how anyone can be displeased with Doyle performance or contract wise.

[1965southpaw]

In that same vein, didnt irsay say something about pags' job was not dependent on win-loss record, but rather on player development? I swear I read that somewhere...

Agree it will be Interesting to see if DM is on this team next year.

Don't know about Irsay but I've heard Ballard say this in multiple interviews.

[YDFL Commish]

Mostly agree with you. But TY has had some big games with those parameters. I just havent seen moncrief having those impacts. It may be this is what you get with moncrief. I will be interested to see what decision ballard makes with him.

Also, there were plays that Brisket left on the field. Either the ball came out late, or didn't come out at all. TY left nothing on the field imo.

[Colts And Orioles]

o


(9 MONTHS LATER)


Jack Doyle is 2nd in the NFL for receptions by a tight end. He has 64, while Travis Kelce of the Chiefs has 73.

That's the good news.

The bad news is that the article in which I got that information from has the Colts ranked 30th out of 32 teams in the NFL, ahead of only the Giants and the Browns.




Week 15 NFL Power Rankings: Biggest Breakthroughs for Every Team

(ESPN.com)

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/NFLpowerrankingsx171212/nfl-2017-week-15-power-rankings-biggest-statistical-breakthroughs-all-32-teams-pittsburgh-steelers-unseat-new-england-patriots-no1-spot


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Out of Jack Doyle's 80 receptions this season, 39 of them (49%) have been for either a first down conversion or a touchdown.

And out of those 39, 15 of them (38%) have come on either 3rd or 4th down.



Jack "Clutch" Doyle.


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[Butter]

He is pretty much what you want in a solid all-around TE. Versatile enough to contribute to blocking and makes key catches that move the chains.

[Pez]

One of the things I am struck with this season with Brissett is the fact that if Jack Doyle had a bad game the Colts had a bad game.

[Maniac]

One of the things I am struck with this season with Brissett is the fact that if Jack Doyle had a bad game the Colts had a bad game.

The Colts had a lot more bad games than Jack Doyle did.

[1965southpaw]

I think Jack is an important asset for the team moving forward but I also think a lot of his success this season was a function of Chud's crappy offensive scheme. I'd love to know what percent of first and second downs were Frank Gore / RB up the middle. That left 3rd down for Jack Doyle to save the drive. Thank goodness that he was mostly reliable (except for those few games where something weird was going on). I won't be upset to see his numbers go down next season assuming there is a corresponding uptick in TY and others production and I love the thought that Jack becomes Andrew's /Jacoby's trusty comfy blanky that is always there for you when you need it.