Injury updates

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Kevin Bowen
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Lone #Colts practice of the week underway.

Sauce Gardner’s first practice since late November. Looks like he’s playing.

Appears like a full week of missed action for:

Tanor Bortolini, DeForest Buckner, Drew Ogletree, JT Tuimoloau, Anthony Gould

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Adam Schefter

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Colts HC Shane Steichen told reporters that DL DeForest Buckner now will need neck surgery after aggravating his injury. He will be placed on season-ending injured reserve.

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Sucks about Buck

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Colts rule out C Tanor Bortolini, WR Anthony Gould, TE Drew Ogletree, DE J.T. Tuimoloau for Week 17 game vs. Jacksonville Jaguars; DT DeForest Buckner to be placed on injured reserve

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Adam Schefter

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Colts HC Shane Steichen told reporters that DL DeForest Buckner now will need neck surgery after aggravating his injury. He will be placed on season-ending injured reserve.

That explains why he looked lie a shell of himself out there.

[Oldcolt]

Adam Schefter

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Colts HC Shane Steichen told reporters that DL DeForest Buckner now will need neck surgery after aggravating his injury. He will be placed on season-ending injured reserve.

Is there a team worse in football at evaluating and treating injuries than the Colts?

[YDFL Commish]

Is there a team worse in football at evaluating and treating injuries than the Colts?

The convicts in "The Longest Yard"?

[Kray007]

Is there a team worse in football at evaluating and treating injuries than the Colts?

Not sure why we’re surprised about Buckner. He suffered a serious neck injury, and the voodoo treatment he received in Panama didn’t work.

[albany ed]

Neck surgeries are far from total successes. He's probably done and should retire before getting seriously damaged. Buck, you've had a great career, but there's still a lot of life to live after football. Don't sacrifice 40 years of reasonable health for a year or two more of football.

[Oldcolt]

Not sure why we’re surprised about Buckner. He suffered a serious neck injury, and the voodoo treatment he received in Panama didn’t work.

Which is my point. DJ gets a fractures fibula, has to play anyway and ends up blowing out his achilles. Bucker has a neck injury that apparently didn't need surgery (I say this because he injured the neck and the Colts felt good enough about him to let him play), was re injured and now apparently needs surgery. Doesn't sound like great judgment.

[ChoppedWood]

This shit been going on all the way back to Edge. We have consistently had this type of key player bad / missed / under healed injury that has ruined guys. If you are a football player you have to have a back of your mind fear of playing for this franchise knowing this happens with such regularity here.

[Hoopsdoc]

Which is my point. DJ gets a fractures fibula, has to play anyway and ends up blowing out his achilles. Bucker has a neck injury that apparently didn't need surgery (I say this because he injured the neck and the Colts felt good enough about him to let him play), was re injured and now apparently needs surgery. Doesn't sound like great judgment.

I don’t think it’s like these guys are forced to play. They can’t even pressure them to play injured. That’s banned by the union.

If they played, it’s because they wanted to play.

Now, you could question whether it was wise for the team to LET them play.

[Oldcolt]

That was what I was getting at. The constant is the Colts deciding that injured players were ready when they were not. It is counterproductive. The issue isn't the players. If they are competitive you want them to want to play even if they shouldn't. It is up to management to actually manage this kind of crap to minimize player injury

[Racehorse]

That was what I was getting at. The constant is the Colts deciding that injured players were ready when they were not. It is counterproductive. The issue isn't the players. If they are competitive you want them to want to play even if they shouldn't. It is up to management to actually manage this kind of crap to minimize player injury

I was listening to Nashville radio today. They were discussing Max Crosby being out for this Sunday. Their sentiment is that if he were healthy enough to play, he should play. Funny how people disagree on this. Maybe the narrative is most important to some.

[Oldcolt]

I was listening to Nashville radio today. They were discussing Max Crosby being out for this Sunday. Their sentiment is that if he were healthy enough to play, he should play. Funny how people disagree on this. Maybe the narrative is most important to some.

None of these people were physicians who had examined the player. Nashville radio isn't where you go to get an opinion on if you are healthy enough to play football. It matters for shit what fans think. Physiians who have actually examined the players are the only ones who should be held accountable for what happens when said player plays. They are part of the management team.

[Racehorse]

None of these people were physicians who had examined the player. Nashville radio isn't where you go to get an opinion on if you are healthy enough to play football. It matters for shit what fans think. Physiians who have actually examined the players are the only ones who should be held accountable for what happens when said player plays. They are part of the management team.

And the physicians cleared Buckner, and Jones, to play.

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And the physicians cleared Buckner, and Jones, to play.

I’m sure they were pressured by the desperate situation the Coach placed them in.

We need you man, jobs and future is on the line for all of us

[Oldcolt]

And the physicians cleared Buckner, and Jones, to play.

Yes and I am saying they were proven wrong. Again I count them as part of Colt management-hired and paid for by the Colts. When you are a lousy organization it rarely is confined to one aspect. Not saying that these is the cases here but to me it is a bad look with terrible outcomes.

Woke up this am and realized I should left this discussion a few answers ago. I don't feel that strongly about this and feel the Colts probably followed the correct procedures. I wonder if the Colts should have been more conservative (instead of can he play maybe ask is he completely healed to avoid someone like Buckner being reinsured) or if they have internal discussions with the docs about how they handle serious injuries.

[ChoppedWood]

Yes and I am saying they were proven wrong. Again I count them as part of Colt management-hired and paid for by the Colts. When you are a lousy organization it rarely is confined to one aspect. Not saying that these is the cases here but to me it is a bad look with terrible outcomes.

Woke up this am and realized I should left this discussion a few answers ago. I don't feel that strongly about this and feel the Colts probably followed the correct procedures. I wonder if the Colts should have been more conservative (instead of can he play maybe ask is he completely healed to avoid someone like Buckner being reinsured) or if they have internal discussions with the docs about how they handle serious injuries.

It's the Colts, so the player probably has internal discussions with their family that go something along these lines:

"This hack at the e-med center they use said all I had was a head cold. I can't move my head at all, in either direction and my fingers are tingly all the time, but he has a doctorate so???? Anyway, I probably better suit up regardless because Shane told me that if I didn't play this week he was looking to sign Montae Reagor as my replacement, something about him knowing all the defensive calls already. The Colts complex is a really fucked up place, there's this 50'ish dude that dresses like he's 19, he's always giving interviews and shit talking about always making mistakes- we don't even know what he does, he's like a car salesman or some shit, but he's always there playing Call of Duty in this giant office and then he'll just come into the workout room and flex on us, for years he has been asking us if we want to see some pics he has in his desk drawer- but we just blow him off because he is this really fucking strange dude that just loiters at the complex... just weird weird shit."

[Indystu2]

OK. That was funny, but, whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?

It's the Colts, so the player probably has internal discussions with their family that go something along these lines:

"This hack at the e-med center they use said all I had was a head cold. I can't move my head at all, in either direction and my fingers are tingly all the time, but he has a doctorate so???? Anyway, I probably better suit up regardless because Shane told me that if I didn't play this week he was looking to sign Montae Reagor as my replacement, something about him knowing all the defensive calls already. The Colts complex is a really fucked up place, there's this 50'ish dude that dresses like he's 19, he's always giving interviews and shit talking about always making mistakes- we don't even know what he does, he's like a car salesman or some shit, but he's always there playing Call of Duty in this giant office and then he'll just come into the workout room and flex on us, for years he has been asking us if we want to see some pics he has in his desk drawer- but we just blow him off because he is this really fucking strange dude that just loiters at the complex... just weird weird shit."

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Nathan Brown
@By_NathanBrown
I asked Sauce why, with the playoffs out of reach & his calf not fully healed, he played through it.

He said it was a no-brainer.

"It’s not about the playoffs. I don’t play this game solely for the playoffs. I play this game because this is my dream."

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Nathan Brown
@By_NathanBrown
I asked Sauce why, with the playoffs out of reach & his calf not fully healed, he played through it.

He said it was a no-brainer.

"It’s not about the playoffs. I don’t play this game solely for the playoffs. I play this game because this is my dream."

Love the passion but it’s a short-sighted approach to the game.

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Love the passion but it’s a short-sighted approach to the game.

I have to disagree

I'll try to find the video of Phil talking after the game. The players want to play and win. They are nothing like most fans. They play because they can They play because they love the game. They arent thinking about the draft order, or resting for the offseason etc. They are playing for the other players on the team and the chance to get to play with each other one more time

It's only the arm chair GM's that think this crazy stuff up about throwing in the towel since they are out of the playoffs.

They play for pride.

There was no reason for him not to play. If he was cleared he was playing. He wasn't worried about getting hurt this game any more than he was in any game he's started.

[Oldcolt]

Nathan Brown
@By_NathanBrown
I asked Sauce why, with the playoffs out of reach & his calf not fully healed, he played through it.

He said it was a no-brainer.

"It’s not about the playoffs. I don’t play this game solely for the playoffs. I play this game because this is my dream."

Exactly the sentiment you want in a player and exactly why they shouldn't make the decision whether or not to play. They always want to play, way too competitive-you hope.