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Hoopsdoc
12-13-2025, 12:38 PM
Per Ian Rapaport, citing team sources.

Lov2fish
12-13-2025, 12:55 PM
Mixed emotions about it. Has he showed enough for the confidence, or is he starting because of who he is? Did Leonard not show enough? I know, rookie, blah, blah, blah. He didn't do anything last week to make me say, NO, and his feet can save a broken play. I guess we will see. If he looks 44 years old Sunday, pull him and end the experiment.

albany ed
12-13-2025, 01:10 PM
It makes Sundays' game full of possibilities. For me, had they entered this game with Leonard starting, I was certain of a loss. Now with Rivers at the helm, I have no freakin' idea of what this game will be like. I still don't like their chances, even with a healthy DJ, I wouldn't have expected a win. I don't think Rivers will make the difference, but I am intrigued.

Brylok
12-13-2025, 01:10 PM
Fire everyone, but you can't because you don't have any 1st round picks for the next two years.
Not a serious football organization.

ChoppedWood
12-13-2025, 01:17 PM
To me, this is a state of the Head Coach level decision.

Early this week I voted no to firing Steichen, and I will remain in that camp pending the outcome of tomorrow's game but I reserve the right to change that vote about 8 PM tomorrow evening.

Leonard has no injury designation for tomorrow, which I read to indicate he is the healthy back up. As such, this is SS telling everyone that his scheme is what wins games. He is proclaiming that an out of work geriatric dude with no mobility but a clear understanding of his game plan can execute his play calls to the point that we can win games in the NFL, up to and including enough games to make the playoff. If he's right, his status as the future should be secure for as long as he wants to be the coach here.

However, if he fails, he must be fired and here is my rationale. Leonard is a much closer replica to Jones than Rivers. We jumped out to the 7-1 record by way of Steichen using the full skill set of DJ with pocket movement, RPO's etc... Leonard definitely fits that mold much better than Rivers. Further, from knowing quite a bit about RL, he is apparently pretty much a play book maniac, and clearly has had roughly 8 months to learn it in preparation of possibly playing. So, if Rivers stands in the pocket tomorrow (he HAS no choice) and we shit the bed in all sorts of ways, this experiment by SS is a clear indication he is not capable of sound reasoning and he has to be removed as soon as the game ends.

This is really an incredible development and one of the most arrogant moves I can ever remember. Here's to hoping his bet is right, but consider me a skeptic until I see it.

Racehorse
12-13-2025, 01:18 PM
Fire everyone, Not a serious football organization.

Such an immature take.

Brylok
12-13-2025, 01:30 PM
Andrew Luck quitting set us back 10 years. This is year 7.
I hope Phil doesn't get injured out there. But hes already a multimillionaire and can afford healthcare coverage.

Colts And Orioles
12-13-2025, 01:30 PM
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I liked what I saw out of Riley Leonard last week A LOT ....... and that's why I'm glad that he's NOT starting this week ...... I don't want him playing until his knee is 100%, because I'm more concerned about his long-term health than I am about this one solitary game against the Seahawks. We've already suffered through seeing one mobile quarterback play on an injured leg, and I don't want to see more of that.

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Brylok
12-13-2025, 01:54 PM
Colts are going by the way of the NBA/Pacers, boxing, Reds, and the NHL.
Carlie has some big time work on her plate. Good luck, and nothing against her. I just stop watching as I get older.

albany ed
12-13-2025, 02:10 PM
I'll never stop watching. It's fun, win or lose. Of course, more fun winning. I've seen enough shit years to realize it's just football and winning doesn't make me a better person and losing doesn't make lessen me.

Hoopsdoc
12-13-2025, 02:13 PM
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I liked what I saw out of Riley Leonard last week A LOT ....... and that's why I'm glad that he's NOT starting this week ...... I don't want him playing until his knee is 100%, because I'm more concerned about his long-term health than I am about this one solitary game against the Seahawks. We've already suffered through seeing one mobile quarterback play on an injured leg, and I don't want to see more of that.

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Leonard won’t play again unless Rivers gets hurt or is just obviously overmatched. And even if that happens, I wouldn’t rule out them signing someone else.

This decision tells you everything you need to know about what they think of Leonard.

They think a guy who watched the game on his couch last Sunday is a better option than Leonard.

Hoopsdoc
12-13-2025, 02:15 PM
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I liked what I saw out of Riley Leonard last week A LOT ....... and that's why I'm glad that he's NOT starting this week ...... I don't want him playing until his knee is 100%, because I'm more concerned about his long-term health than I am about this one solitary game against the Seahawks. We've already suffered through seeing one mobile quarterback play on an injured leg, and I don't want to see more of that.

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Also, Leonard has no injury designation for tomorrow. None at all.

He’s healthy. They just don’t think he can play.

Hoopsdoc
12-13-2025, 02:17 PM
Andrew Luck quitting set us back 10 years. This is year 7.
I hope Phil doesn't get injured out there. But hes already a multimillionaire and can afford healthcare coverage.

Someone said vested veterans get healthcare for 5 years after their career is over.

This is just Phil reupping his health coverage.

I mean, he’s got like 12 kids so that’s probably a smart move. Lol.

Brylok
12-13-2025, 02:38 PM
Someone said vested veterans get healthcare for 5 years after their career is over.

This is just Phil reupping his health coverage.

I mean, he’s got like 12 kids so that’s probably a smart move. Lol.

He's already a multimillionaire, but with a wife and dozen kids, it would definitely help. I just hope he doesn't get hurt out there.
What's he getting paid for these 4 games? Has that info came out yet? $12 million or thereabouts? I'd hope so for him and his health/time.

apballin
12-13-2025, 02:49 PM
Also, Leonard has no injury designation for tomorrow. None at all.

He’s healthy. They just don’t think he can play.

It’s not that, Shane clearly values the pre snap reads and changes that the guy behind center must make.

I like what I seen from Leonard as well, the potential is there.

Just not quite time, but he’d better be ready Sunday I’m sure they’re telling him that

Brylok
12-13-2025, 02:55 PM
It’s not that, Shane clearly values the pre snap reads and changes that the guy behind center must make.

I like what I seen from Leonard as well, the potential is there.

Just not quite time, but he’d better be ready Sunday I’m sure they’re telling him that

Leonard is terrible, not an NFL QB, and was only drafted to please the ND fans in this state. Poor planning/team building.

Oldcolt
12-13-2025, 02:56 PM
Fire everyone, but you can't because you don't have any 1st round picks for the next two years.
Not a serious football organization.

Do you really think that two first round draft picks not being available makes you incapable of firing everyone (something I am against right now). One of those picks is Sauce so you are really out one first round pick (and it would definitely not be of Sauces value). It is nothing. Would stop no-one from taking over here. If our owners want to start over they not only can, but most likely would get whomever they wanted to run the organization. These women appear to be quality and they are who we are now. It will take time to put their stamp on us but we should wait a few years before declaring anything about us yet. They deserve a chance. Each generation has been better so far (not a big stretch after Bob). Let's hope it keeps going.

apballin
12-13-2025, 02:57 PM
Leonard is terrible, not an NFL QB, and was only drafted to please the ND fans in this state. Poor planning/team building.

You basing that off getting thrown out there in a rainy game where they were getting their ass kicked already?

He wasn’t the reason they lost

Oldcolt
12-13-2025, 03:01 PM
Colts are going by the way of the NBA/Pacers, boxing, Reds, and the NHL.
Carlie has some big time work on her plate. Good luck, and nothing against her. I just stop watching as I get older.

I'm 72. Been a fan since I was 12. Have hated on this team so many times I cannot remember. Cursed them every Sunday for what seemed decades. How I 'root'. Never stopped watching. Maybe when I get old I will though

Puck
12-13-2025, 03:32 PM
This is a great story. Lost in all of this is, The D is going to get fucking scorched by Darnold.

Colts And Orioles
12-13-2025, 03:35 PM
Also, Leonard has no injury designation for tomorrow. None at all.

He’s healthy ...... they just don’t think he can play.





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If he's healthy, then I'm glad.

But all week long, we have been hearing that Leonard has an injured knee ...... if they are now saying that the injury is completely healed, then I'm thrilled. But teams don't always tell the truth about injuries, nor do players.

After what I saw of him in his 3 quarters of play against the Jaguars, I like the notion/possibility of having Leonard (at the very least) as an adequate, 2nd-string quarterback in 2026.

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Colts And Orioles
12-13-2025, 03:42 PM
What's he getting paid for these 4 games ???





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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IkSx3b2hUfk




https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTSUqtO31unff04ocepVr-ZTY_nVJq_3mA4gw&s

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Colts And Orioles
12-13-2025, 04:00 PM
Leonard is terrible, not an NFL QB.





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OK, now you have completely strained your credibility. ...... you are saying shit just for the sake of being a contrarian.

Just a few days ago, you said that we should start Brett Rypien "because he was good enough to be put in that position before."








You start Rypien. Next man up. He was good enough to be placed in his position before, he should be starting now. l Sign a reasonable FA QB off the street. Don't bring back an old, famous name to create a show. Doing a circus act clown show because your season is fucked, regardless of whoever QB starts, is just a gross to me.

I've made my opinion clear, and won't be posting about this anymore.







Rypien is a career 3rd-string/4th string NFL QB who hasn't taken a snap from center since the 2023 season. For his "career" he is 98-for-168 (58.3% Completion Rate) for 950 Yards Passing, 4 TD's, 9 INT's, and has a Passer Rating of 59.9.

Leonard, on the the hand, was thrown into one solitary game cold with no NFL experience at all, and he performed better than anyone expected him to. He was 18-for-29, and if not for the incompetent referees he would have been 19-for-29 with 1 TD and 0 INT's.



You are claiming that the Colts are a clown-show organization, tantamount to Vince McMahon and the WWF ...... the only thing tantamount to the phoniness of the WWF is your trolling the team's desperate efforts to salvage the season that started out so promisingly before Daniel Jones fractured his left fibula.

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Brylok
12-13-2025, 04:13 PM
You basing that off getting thrown out there in a rainy game where they were getting their ass kicked already?

He wasn’t the reason they lost

He was painfully average at Notre Dame. You must not watch much football.

sherck
12-13-2025, 04:38 PM
Is there anyway to block a poster?

I am at that point with Brylok. He has not added positively to this board in a while.

apballin
12-13-2025, 04:40 PM
He was painfully average at Notre Dame. You must not watch much football.

I watched him play last week, how he played last year has nothing to do with where he’s at now

Puck
12-13-2025, 05:33 PM
Is there anyway to block a poster?

I am at that point with Brylok. He has not added positively to this board in a while.

Uo to the mods. I won't interfere

nate505
12-13-2025, 05:41 PM
Is there anyway to block a poster?

I am at that point with Brylok. He has not added positively to this board in a while.

You can ignore posters here. You just go to their profile, select "User Lists", and then there's an ignore feature option.

I just tested it out on apballin! Then I quickly removed him because I love his posts.

Brylok
12-13-2025, 05:49 PM
Is there anyway to block a poster?

I am at that point with Brylok. He has not added positively to this board in a while.

Fuck off, junior. We here were all banned from the established, positive only forums . That's how we wound up here. If you want positivity, go over to .com. I've been here for years. I doubt you've been banned from anywhere. You can't even spell Shrek right. Can't face your ogre reflection in the mirror. Or shirk, can't face yourself evading your responsibilities as a good poster here.

Go play golf

/You probably live in Geist/Carmel/Noblesville/etc
//You probably weren't born and raised around here
//You probably just get butthurt to easily

Oldcolt
12-13-2025, 05:50 PM
Braylok obviously loves this team and is in pain about how shitty/mediocre we have been for ages. Nobody can post this much hate, with this much intensity this often unless they are in pissed/sick as hell and you can't get this pissed unless you really care. Dude is grieving, given up hope. He isn't sensible and I bet he knows it but doesn't give a shit. Let him vent.

If you must the ignore works perfectly. Ive used it a couple of times but ended up relenting and reading everyone.

Brylok
12-13-2025, 06:13 PM
Just getting old and tired, Old. And tired, Old and tired...
An ourosboros going on.
And I'll defend myself against any poster here, any time.

IndyNorm
12-13-2025, 07:15 PM
Crazy. Hoping this decision has more to do w/ how Rivers performed in practice, but realistically speaking it probably has more to do w/ Leonard and Rypien. Not a good look for them to have someone who hasn't taken a snap in 5 years and only has 3 days of practice w/ the team leapfrog you both w/out any problem. Even if he is a probable HOFer.

He's already a multimillionaire, but with a wife and dozen kids, it would definitely help. I just hope he doesn't get hurt out there.
What's he getting paid for these 4 games? Has that info came out yet? $12 million or thereabouts? I'd hope so for him and his health/time.

If Google is correct and I understand it correctly since he's a PS call up he's only going to be making the prorated amount of the league minimum for a vet, which is ~$75K/game. For any week that he's not activated from the PS he'll make $17.5K-$22K that week, which is the range for a PS player w/ >2 years of service time.

So re-upping the health insurance for another 5 years w/ all of the kids that he has makes more sense from a financial incentive standpoint.

sherck
12-13-2025, 07:34 PM
Fuck off, junior. We here were all banned from the established, positive only forums . That's how we wound up here. If you want positivity, go over to .com. I've been here for years. I doubt you've been banned from anywhere. You can't even spell Shrek right. Can't face your ogre reflection in the mirror. Or shirk, can't face yourself evading your responsibilities as a good poster here.

Go play golf

/You probably live in Geist/Carmel/Noblesville/etc
//You probably weren't born and raised around here
//You probably just get butthurt to easily
My case in point.....

IndyNorm
12-13-2025, 07:35 PM
Do you really think that two first round draft picks not being available makes you incapable of firing everyone (something I am against right now). One of those picks is Sauce so you are really out one first round pick (and it would definitely not be of Sauces value). It is nothing. Would stop no-one from taking over here. If our owners want to start over they not only can, but most likely would get whomever they wanted to run the organization. These women appear to be quality and they are who we are now. It will take time to put their stamp on us but we should wait a few years before declaring anything about us yet. They deserve a chance. Each generation has been better so far (not a big stretch after Bob). Let's hope it keeps going.

It doesn't prevent Carlie from firing people, but it might limit our replacement options at GM and HC b/c candidates could very well see it that they won't be able to fix the QB situation until 2028 at the earliest.

sherck
12-13-2025, 07:35 PM
You can ignore posters here. You just go to their profile, select "User Lists", and then there's an ignore feature option.

I just tested it out on apballin! Then I quickly removed him because I love his posts.
You rock! Thank you!

Brylok
12-13-2025, 07:38 PM
Crazy. Hoping this decision has more to do w/ how Rivers performed in practice, but realistically speaking it probably has more to do w/ Leonard and Rypien. Not a good look for them to have someone who hasn't taken a snap in 5 years and only has 3 days of practice w/ the team leapfrog you both w/out any problem. Even if he is a probable HOFer.



If Google is correct and I understand it correctly since he's a PS call up he's only going to be making the prorated amount of the league minimum for a vet, which is ~$75K/game. For any week that he's not activated from the PS he'll make $17.5K-$22K that week, which is the range for a PS player w/ >2 years of service time.

So re-upping the health insurance for another 5 years w/ all of the kids that he has makes more sense from a financial incentive standpoint.

That's good. Smart. I hope he doesn't get injured out there.

Brylok
12-13-2025, 07:43 PM
My case in point.....

Sorry that the snow has covered your golf course. Perhaps you can affix a plow of some sorts and drive your cart around your neighborhood/culdesac?

Brylok
12-13-2025, 07:57 PM
My case in point.....

Girls are not weak, they can shovel snow as well as anyone else. In fact, middle school girls are often stronger than middle school aged boys. If you need snow clearance for your putting green or driveway/culdesac, don't rule out your girls.

Oldcolt
12-13-2025, 08:53 PM
It doesn't prevent Carlie from firing people, but it might limit our replacement options at GM and HC b/c candidates could very well see it that they won't be able to fix the QB situation until 2028 at the earliest.

It might. But I would guess that most of these people have huge enough egos that lacking one first round draft pick is something they all believe they can overcome.It will more to have with how they view our new ownership I would bet.

Hoopsdoc
12-13-2025, 10:18 PM
Is there anyway to block a poster?

I am at that point with Brylok. He has not added positively to this board in a while.

If you don’t like what he posts, just scroll past them.

We’re all misfits here for one reason or another.

No reason to call each other out.

Respectfully.

Racehorse
12-13-2025, 10:37 PM
Is there anyway to block a poster?

I am at that point with Brylok. He has not added positively to this board in a while.

I do not block regular posters. I only block spammers.

Colts And Orioles
12-13-2025, 11:46 PM
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In 1998, 44 year-old Steve DeBerg had not played in the NFL since 1993, 5 years earlier.

DeBerg decided to give a phone call to Atlanta Falcons head coach Dan Reeves, and inform him that he was intending to make a comeback ...... at which point a flabbergasted Reeves thought that DeBerg was certifiably insane.



Philip Rivers Will Start for Colts ...... And Steve DeBerg Knows the Feeling

(By Sam Farmer)

https://www.latimes.com/sports/story/2025-12-13/philip-rivers-on-53-man-roster-colts-seahawks

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albany ed
12-14-2025, 07:13 AM
To me, this is a state of the Head Coach level decision.

Early this week I voted no to firing Steichen, and I will remain in that camp pending the outcome of tomorrow's game but I reserve the right to change that vote about 8 PM tomorrow evening.


Okay CW, consider yourself placed in the undecided group.

Colts And Orioles
12-14-2025, 09:26 PM
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Prior to the final INT when we were desperately trying to force the ball downfield in the final seconds of the 4th quarter, Philip Rivers' passer rating was 77.8. After that INT, it was 73.1.

Sam Darnold's passer rating for today's game was 84.4.


After starting the game cold going 3-for-8, Rivers went 15-for-19 the rest of the way, including 2 incompletions that were intentional to avoid being sacked.

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apballin
12-14-2025, 10:29 PM
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Prior to the final INT when we were desperately trying to force the ball downfield in the final seconds of the 4th quarter, Philip Rivers' passer rating was 77.8. After that INT, it was 73.1.

Sam Darnold's passer rating for today's game was 84.4.


After starting the game cold going 3-for-8, Rivers went 15-for-19 the rest of the way, including 2 incompletions that were intentional to avoid being sacked.

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That sounds good, but the fact Abdullah was our leading receiver is a problem

Hoopsdoc
12-14-2025, 10:52 PM
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Prior to the final INT when we were desperately trying to force the ball downfield in the final seconds of the 4th quarter, Philip Rivers' passer rating was 77.8. After that INT, it was 73.1.

Sam Darnold's passer rating for today's game was 84.4.


After starting the game cold going 3-for-8, Rivers went 15-for-19 the rest of the way, including 2 incompletions that were intentional to avoid being sacked.

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18 completions for 120 yards. That ain’t gonna cut it.

Pierce had one catch for 16 yards. He is completely useless with Rivers at quarterback.

Colts And Orioles
12-14-2025, 11:12 PM
18 completions for 120 yards. That ain’t gonna cut it.




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If we were talking about a team that was on it's 1st-string or even 2nd-string quarterback, I would agree ....... this team was on its 4th-string quarterback today ...... and a 4th-string quarterback NEVER cuts it, for ANY team.

If somebody had told any of us before the game that a 4th-string quarterback (or even a 3rd-string quarterback) would throw for 120 yards while not turning the ball over, and settling into a 15-for-19 finish over the final 3 quarters of the game, I don't think that there is an objective football fan in the world that wouldn't take that.

I'm not arguing that Rivers is going to cut it, but that's not the point ...... Daniel Jones and Anthony Richardson were not available, and Riley Leonard has been nursing an injured knee, which may or may not be 100%. Today we didn't have anybody available that was going to cut it. We don't have options that are going to cut it at this point. The gamble for today's game and for the final 3 games of the season is going with either an old, immobile, broken down-but-very savvy and experienced Philip Rivers, or a completely untested 3rd-string QB in Riley Leonard ...... and that gamble is about a 50/50 gamble, maybe 55/45 in favor of Leonard.

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Hoopsdoc
12-14-2025, 11:19 PM
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If we were talking about a team that was on it's 1st-string or even 2nd-string quarterback, I would agree ....... this team is on its 4th string quarterback ...... and a 4th-string quarterback NEVER cuts it, for ANY team.

If somebody had told any of us before the game that a 4th-string quarterback (or even a 3rd-string quarterback) would throw for 120 yards while not turning the ball over, and settling into a 15-for-19 finish over the final 3 quarters of the game, I don't think that there is an objective football fan in the world that wouldn't take that.

I'm not arguing that Rivers is going to cut it, but that's not the point ...... Daniel Jones and Anthony Richardson were not available, and Riley Leonard has been nursing an injured knee. Today we didn't have anybody available that was going to cut it. We don't have options that are going to cut it at this point. The gamble for today's game and for the final 3 games of the season is going with either an old, immobile, broken-down-but very savvy and experienced Philip Rivers, or a completely untested 3rd-string QB in Riley Leonard ...... and that gamble is about a 50/50 gamble.

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Leonard had no injury designation today. He wasn’t listed on the final injury report.

In other words, he was completely healthy.

He didn’t play because Steichen thought Rivers gave them the best chance to win.

So Rivers wasn’t their 4th string quarterback. He was essentially the third. The guy who had been third was deemed not good enough.

Hoopsdoc
12-14-2025, 11:38 PM
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No, we don't know that.

The Colts said that Leonard's knee was hurt right after last week's game, and they said that it was still hurting on Tuesday. Just because they did not announce/designate the injury, doesn't necessarily mean that he was 100%. Teams are not always forthright about injuries, particularly minor injuries. The Colts would have nothing to gain by confirming/announcing that Leonard's knee was still hurt at gametime.

Leonard's knee may have been completely healed today, but we're never going to know that.

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If a player is dealing with an injury, nfl teams are required to report it on the injury report.

If Leonard was still dealing with an injury and the colts were planning on starting Rivers anyway, there’s no reason they would have risked getting fined by not listing Leonard on the injury report.

That makes no sense.

Leonard was completely healthy for today’s game. To say otherwise makes no sense.

Colts And Orioles
12-14-2025, 11:45 PM
He didn’t play because Steichen thought Rivers gave them the best chance to win.




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Yes, and after the fact, that decision wound up being completely defensible.

Even if Leonard's knee was 100% today, he may or may not have played better than Rivers did today. He may have used his mobility and youth to throw for 250 yards and 2 TD's ...... or, he may have been eaten alive by the Seattle defense, and thrown 3 INT's and fumbled the ball away for a 4th turnover. As I sai9d before, the gamble between the two for today's game was about 50/50.

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Hoopsdoc
12-14-2025, 11:48 PM
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No, that is completely naive. You actually believe that teams never conceal minor injuries ???

There is no way to prove or disprove a minor injury such as a sore knee or a slightly pulled hamstring. What the Colts would have to gain by not designating the injury would be to not let the opponent know about it. If Rivers got hurt today and Leonard had to come in, the Colts would not want the Seahawks to know one way or another whether his knee was sore or not.

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So you’re saying the colts risked being fined by not reporting Leonard as injured on the off chance that, if RIVERS got injured, it might throw the Seahawks off if Leonard came into the game?

That makes ZERO sense. That’s dumb.

If Leonard were still injured, he would have been on the injury report. There would have been no reason for them to keep him off the injury report.

Hoopsdoc
12-15-2025, 12:00 AM
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Yes, I'm saying that. And it's extremely naive for you to think things like that never happen.

And aside from the fact that multi-billionaire owners like the Irsays being fined $25,000, or even $ $50,000 or $100,000 is tantamount to the average American getting exasperated because they lost a dollar bill when they were shopping, there is no way that the league could prove or disprove a players' sore knee.

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Jesus Christ.

I’m not saying things like that never happen.

I AM saying that there would have been nothing to gain for the Colts by doing that today.

You are saying that Leonard was probably still injured even though not even the Colts were saying that.

You have no basis for that claim.

Leonard wasn’t injured. If he was, the Colts would have said so, first of all because they’re required to, and secondly because it would have given them cover if Rivers completely bombed.

I’m not sure why you’re fixated on this.

Colts And Orioles
12-15-2025, 12:29 AM
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I'll tell you what, Hoops Doc ...... I deleted all of my posts in regard to Leonard's knee. Our debate wasn't worth the trouble, as it's not that important.

I say that's it's possible that Leonard may have still had a score knee that wasn't reported by the team so that the Seahawks would be none the wiser, and you say that you're sure that he was completely healthy ...... no big deal.

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Hoopsdoc
12-15-2025, 07:59 AM
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I'll tell you what, Hoops Doc ...... I deleted all of my posts in regard to Leonard's knee. Our debate wasn't worth the trouble, as it's not that important.

I say that's it's possible that Leonard may have still had a score knee that wasn't reported by the team so that the Seahawks would be none the wiser, and you say that you're sure that he was completely healthy ...... no big deal.

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I’m just saying what the team said. And they said Leonard wasn’t injured.

I’ve got no reason to think they were lying.

CletusPyle
12-15-2025, 08:47 AM
What is the purpose of Philip Rivers playing another down for the Colts this season? I will probably be accused of being negative, but had the Colts defense played the same way yesterday for Leonard, and the Seahawks offense played as poorly, Leonard would have won that game. That is just my opinion of course, but based on what I saw in the second half at Jacksonville, Leonard would have given us a better chance to win!

The problem is, I doubt our defense would have played as hard for Leonard, we probably would have gotten more rotten calls from the refs, and our OL would not have protected Leonard as well. You should be able to count on the same effort from the D and the O-line, and the refs should call the game the same regardless of the situation, but we all know that just isn't the case!

Unless Riley Leonard is hurt, he should start Monday night, but I'm pretty sure it will be Rivers part 2.

Hoopsdoc
12-15-2025, 09:40 AM
What is the purpose of Philip Rivers playing another down for the Colts this season? I will probably be accused of being negative, but had the Colts defense played the same way yesterday for Leonard, and the Seahawks offense played as poorly, Leonard would have won that game. That is just my opinion of course, but based on what I saw in the second half at Jacksonville, Leonard would have given us a better chance to win!

The problem is, I doubt our defense would have played as hard for Leonard, we probably would have gotten more rotten calls from the refs, and our OL would not have protected Leonard as well. You should be able to count on the same effort from the D and the O-line, and the refs should call the game the same regardless of the situation, but we all know that just isn't the case!

Unless Riley Leonard is hurt, he should start Monday night, but I'm pretty sure it will be Rivers part 2.

Until they’re completely eliminated from playoff contention, I think Rivers will continue starting. Steichen clearly thinks he gives them the best chance to win.

I think they’ll lose out. Hopefully Leonard will get another shot at some point.

sherck
12-15-2025, 09:47 AM
What is the purpose of Philip Rivers playing another down for the Colts this season?
I agree 100% with your entire post.

If Leonard had that effort from the offense and defense yesterday, he would have won the game for us. By the end, their entire defense was no more than 10 yards downfield on the snap because OMR could not push it further than that.

We will see but my guess is that CIG gave the ultimatium at the beginning of the season "Playoffs or bust" and Ballard / SS are trying hard to avoid the "bust."

apballin
12-15-2025, 11:30 AM
What is the purpose of Philip Rivers playing another down for the Colts this season? I will probably be accused of being negative, but had the Colts defense played the same way yesterday for Leonard, and the Seahawks offense played as poorly, Leonard would have won that game. That is just my opinion of course, but based on what I saw in the second half at Jacksonville, Leonard would have given us a better chance to win!

The problem is, I doubt our defense would have played as hard for Leonard, we probably would have gotten more rotten calls from the refs, and our OL would not have protected Leonard as well. You should be able to count on the same effort from the D and the O-line, and the refs should call the game the same regardless of the situation, but we all know that just isn't the case!

Unless Riley Leonard is hurt, he should start Monday night, but I'm pretty sure it will be Rivers part 2.

If they roll Grandpa back out there, and I hate to say this but there’s no way he’s making thru 3 more games. They were looking at his shoulder after halftime and he barely got touched all game.

Put fuckin Leonard in there and let’s fuckin go

Puck
12-15-2025, 03:35 PM
Joel A. Erickson
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Shane Steichen: Philip Rivers will be the starting quarterback against San Francisco.

On Richardson, Steichen says "he's cleared from the eye standpoint, but we're just starting to work him back in physically"

Puck
12-15-2025, 05:32 PM
https://x.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/2000662100708868500?s=20

Racehorse
12-15-2025, 07:31 PM
https://x.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/2000662100708868500?s=20

The same McAfee that was not renewing his tickets sounds more positive than the majority of fans.

Oldcolt
12-15-2025, 07:37 PM
https://x.com/PatMcAfeeShow/status/2000662100708868500?s=20

Stop talking me off the ledge Puck