Old man Phil

[apballin]

Colts are bringing in Rivers for a workout, I honestly don’t know how I feel about this

[Brylok]

I'm not calling you a liar. There's a lot of stuff flying around out there right now, and I've seen the tweet and the reddit stuff, but I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit on that.

[apballin]

It’s legit, 44 and hasn’t played in 5 years

[Dewey 5]

I'm not calling you a liar. There's a lot of stuff flying around out there right now, and I've seen the tweet and the reddit stuff, but I'm gonna go ahead and call bullshit on that.

They were talking about it on ESPN tonight

[IndyNorm]

It's happening per NBC Sports. Been out of the league for 5 years, so don't think we can expect much. Although guessing he's a better option than Rypien.

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/philip-rivers-will-visit-work-out-with-colts-on-tuesday

[ChaosTheory]

Has he been drinking HGH and stem cell shakes for the past five years?

[IndyNorm]

Has he been drinking HGH and stem cell shakes for the past five years?

We can only hope so.

[Racehorse]

Has he been drinking HGH and stem cell shakes for the past five years?

Probably frolicking in the hay making even more babies

[Racehorse]

Colts are bringing in Rivers for a workout, I honestly don’t know how I feel about this

I bet he is probably just considered to have a veteran backup in the building. Someone to take the pressure off Jones to mentor Riley until the end of the season. I doubt he would see the field unless Riley gets hurt bad.

On a side note, I have seen on some facebook pages that Cam Newton is available.

[Brylok]

Okay, I stand corrected. THAT is embarrassing. Now I want some firings to happen. I don't care who.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Wonder who else they will bring in for a workout?

Might as well bring in Jason Bean. Since being cut by the Colts, he has worked out with several teams this season (Lions, Titans, Steelers, etc) so he is probably still in decent shape.

[Hoopsdoc]

Ahahahahahaaa….

That’s almost as embarrassing as the Jeff Saturday debacle.

This has been the craziest season of my lifetime, bar none.

[Racehorse]

Wonder who else they will bring in for a workout?

Might as well bring in Jason Bean. Since being cut by the Colts, he has worked out with several teams this season (Lions, Titans, Steelers, etc) so he is probably still in decent shape.

I had actually forgotten about him.

[Hoopsdoc]

Wonder who else they will bring in for a workout?

Might as well bring in Jason Bean. Since being cut by the Colts, he has worked out with several teams this season (Lions, Titans, Steelers, etc) so he is probably still in decent shape.

Desmond Ridder is also a free agent. He sucks but he has started games in this league. He’d be a reliable veteran option.

One would think a better option than Grandpa Rivers.

[DragonTails]

Wonder who else they will bring in for a workout?

Might as well bring in Jason Bean. Since being cut by the Colts, he has worked out with several teams this season (Lions, Titans, Steelers, etc) so he is probably still in decent shape.

Line when from 10 this morning to 13 since Rivers name was dropped. lol

[IndyNorm]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DSBczpPEUZQ/

[Brylok]

It has to be a smokescreen. Just has to. "We turned over every leaf. Looked at every possible opportunity to help with this issue" type of thing. It's just too ridiculous and embarrassing, even for them.

[nate505]

"We turned over every leaf.

Hey, now there's a thought. Has he beat his perc addiction?

[Brylok]

Hey, now there's a thought. Has he beat his perc addiction?

Heh. What's RG3 doing these days?

[HoosierinFL]

Id rather poach Ehlinger off Denvers practice squad that sign any qb over 40, and esp one who hasnt played in 5 years. If Ballard signs Rivers he should be fired.

[apballin]

There’s gotta be a better option out there there just has to be

[Hoopsdoc]

Id rather poach Ehlinger off Denvers practice squad that sign any qb over 40, and esp one who hasnt played in 5 years. If Ballard signs Rivers he should be fired.

Now now, let’s not get crazy. Rivers is almost certainly useless but we KNOW noodle armed Ehlinger is.

How that dude has lasted this long in the league is a mystery.

[nate505]

Hahahahahahaha, fuck it, why not. Add some comedy to this depressing ass season.

[Brylok]

Id rather poach Ehlinger off Denvers practice squad that sign any qb over 40, and esp one who hasnt played in 5 years. If Ballard signs Rivers he should be fired.

I read somewhere earlier that Ehlinger refused.

[Hoopsdoc]

I bet he is probably just considered to have a veteran backup in the building. Someone to take the pressure off Jones to mentor Riley until the end of the season. I doubt he would see the field unless Riley gets hurt bad.

On a side note, I have seen on some facebook pages that Cam Newton is available.

This has got to be the thinking. There’s no way they think they can put old man Rivers back out there.

Bring him in and let him coach up Leonard and earn some money doing it.

[Hoopsdoc]

I read somewhere earlier that Ehlinger refused.

Not saying you’re wrong but that would be pretty amazing if true. I mean, it’s a good chance at playing time. In fact, he likely WOULD play.

Why on earth would someone like Ehlinger turn that down?

[Brylok]

Not saying you’re wrong but that would be pretty amazing if true. I mean, it’s a good chance at playing time. In fact, he likely WOULD play.

Why on earth would someone like Ehlinger turn that down?

I've read so much crap in so many places today that I couldn't find it if I tried. But I remember someone saying that he'd been contacted and refused and thinking it was odd. Not as odd as contacting Philip Rivers, but odd.

[HoosierinFL]

This has got to be the thinking. There’s no way they think they can put old man Rivers back out there.

Bring him in and let him coach up Leonard and earn some money doing it.

Dont we already have coaches? Why do we need to use a roster spot for a qb coach?

[Hoopsdoc]

Dont we already have coaches? Why do we need to use a roster spot for a qb coach?

We don’t have any coaches with the experience of Philip Rivers at playing quarterback and playing it very well.

I’m not saying that’s the reason, but nothing else really makes any sense at all. There’s no way the think he can actually play.

[Puck]

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Workout already happened; talks ongoing.


Jeremy Fowler
@JFowlerESPN
·
2h
The Philip Rivers workout with the Colts took place Monday night, per source. Threw the ball well. Will see what’s next.

https://x.com/AdamSchefter/status/1998386770879086764?s=20

[albany ed]

Rivers is eligible for the HOF this year. I heard something interesting on Dan Patrick this morning. If he plays even a little for the Colts this year, the clock starts again and he has to wait another 5 years to be eligible for the HOF. However, he is very, very familiar with Steichens' methods and if he was on the practice squad and not playing, he would retain his this year eligibility. On the practice squad, he could work with Leonard on a daily basis.

[Puck]

Albert Breer
@AlbertBreer
·
2h
The Colts worked Philip Rivers out last night—Rivers showed clearly he can still throw the ball (which you'd expect). Rivers has stayed in fighting shape the last few years coaching high school, and working with NFL and college quarterbacks.

Indy's mulling things over.

[Puck]

Philip Rivers IS A COLT again. Reported by Pat Mcafee on his show I'll post when he posts the tweet

[Puck]

Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
·
15m
He’s back: The #Colts are signing QB Philip Rivers to their practice squad, per The Insiders.

The Hall of Fame semifinalist, age 44, rejoins the Indy QB room to support Riley Leonard and serve as a potential option down the road. A dramatic return.

[omahacolt]

this will for sure be terrible


but............I want to see it

[Hoopsdoc]

Yeah, it’ll be entertaining anyway.

[Oldcolt]

It’s a reason to watch Sunday. Also the guy AR should have sat behind and learned from to begin with. A pro that enjoys teaching

[Racehorse]

It’s a reason to watch Sunday. Also the guy AR should have sat behind and learned from to begin with. A pro that enjoys teaching

Flacco and Minshew were not the guy for the job. Too bad Rivers was long gone when we got AR.

[ChoppedWood]

Kerry Collins asked me to tell you all hello.

[Brylok]

This shows me that the Indianapolis Colts are no longer a serious football organization. They're an "entertainment" organization. Views/clicks/trends/memes etc mean more than winning or losing.
Disgusting

[Kray007]

If anyone doesn’t want Rivers, for all the naysayers and incendiarists who want to fire people, one question…

Who? At this point, in this season, who has a better chance of offering a glimmer for success?

Are we really confident in Riley Leonard or Brett Rypien?

When training camp closed, CBS ran a list of the dozen best QB’s available. They included Tommy Devito, Tyler Huntley, CJ Beathard, Desmond Ridder, Easton Stick, Rypien, Kyle McCord, Kyle Trask, Dorian Thompson Robinson, Herndon Hooker, John Wolford, and Bailey Zappe.

Most of those guys have hooked up with teams. Ridder is out there, but only because he wasn’t good enough to stick on the Viking’s practice squad. DeVito would have been a decent hail Mary, but he’s on the Patriot’s 53 man roster, and I don’t see anyone in that wretched organization tossing a drowning man anything other than an anchor.

[Kray007]

This shows me that the Indianapolis Colts are no longer a serious football organization. They're an "entertainment" organization. Views/clicks/trends/memes etc mean more than winning or losing.
Disgusting

And your solution was? Maybe we could have pried Josh Allen out of Buffalo for a conditional 6th rounder. Maybe we could’ve offered a lifetime supply of squirrel oil and a bucket of peppered chipmunk feet to Captain Andrew Luck and lured him out of retirement.

When the season opens, even the best run, non entertainment, organization quails at the thought of tossing their 4th string Quarterback into the fray. You can be unhappy that we find ourselves in this situation, but I don’t think you can blame the organization.

[Oldcolt]

I’m betting that most of you that know how badly you his will turn out weren’t around to watch George Blanda. Of course it reeks of desperation, that it totally appropriate under the circumstances. Is the anyone here who thinks things aren’t desperate?

[Brylok]

And your solution was? Maybe we could have pried Josh Allen out of Buffalo for a conditional 6th rounder. Maybe we could’ve offered a lifetime supply of squirrel oil and a bucket of peppered chipmunk feet to Captain Andrew Luck and lured him out of retirement.

When the season opens, even the best run, non entertainment, organization quails at the thought of tossing their 4th string Quarterback into the fray. You can be unhappy that we find ourselves in this situation, but I don’t think you can blame the organization.

You start Rypien. Next man up. He was good enough to be placed in his position before, he should be starting now. Sign a reasonable FA QB off the street. Don't bring back an old, famous name to create a show. Doing a circus act clown show because your season is fucked, regardless of whoever QB starts, is just a gross to me.

I've made my opinion clear and won't be posting about this anymore.

[apballin]

Wonder if he’s gonna wear 17?

[ChaosTheory]

Wonder if he’s gonna wear 17?

Franklin should donate 44.

[Kray007]

You start Rypien. Next man up. He was good enough to be placed in his position before, he should be starting now. Sign a reasonable FA QB off the street. Don't bring back an old, famous name to create a show. Doing a circus act clown show because your season is fucked, regardless of whoever QB starts, is just a gross to me.

I've made my opinion clear and won't be posting about this anymore.

Starting Rypien is tantamount to forfeiting the final four games of the season. If Rivers still has a functional arm, he gives you a puncher’s chance. He can no longer dazzle, but he might win on sheer guile. At this point, the bottom line is why not let him try. What is there to lose?

[Discflinger]

It's so beautiful...Let's Go!

I'm sure no one remembers when I said we should sign Brady

[albany ed]

Kerry Collins asked me to tell you all hello.

Yeah, I think he was having lunch with Colin Kapernik

[albany ed]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xDIK_cvl_c

[Colts And Orioles]

You start Rypien. Next man up. He was good enough to be placed in his position before, he should be starting now. Sign a reasonable FA QB off the street. Don't bring back an old, famous name to create a show. l Doing a circus act clown show because your season is fucked, regardless of whoever QB starts, is just a gross to me.

I've made my opinion clear and won't be posting about this anymore.





o


If that is "gross" to you, you have a weak mind ...... I'd hate to see your reaction to having to change a baby's diaper, or having a full-time job as a sanitation worker.

o

[Brylok]

I'm listening to The Fan Morning Show podcast, and they said that Sam Ehlinger had been contacted by the Colts and he refused to come back. I'd read that somewhere yesterday, but it's been confirmed today.

[albany ed]

All this info. I'm obviously not connected like most on here. Can someone give the link that says Rivers has been activated from the practice squad?

[Puck]

All this info. I'm obviously not connected like most on here. Can someone give the link that says Rivers has been activated from the practice squad?

He has not been activated yet. Probably won't happen until Friday or Saturday if it happens this week

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

I'm listening to The Fan Morning Show podcast, and they said that Sam Ehlinger had been contacted by the Colts and he refused to come back. I'd read that somewhere yesterday, but it's been confirmed today.


Denver is 11-2 and on a 10 game winning streak. Tied for the best record in the NFL.

This is probably Ehlinger's best shot of getting a Super Bowl ring.

[Hoopsdoc]

Denver is 11-2 and on a 10 game winning streak. Tied for the best record in the NFL.

This is probably Ehlinger's best shot of getting a Super Bowl ring.

Yeah, but he’s never going to play there. Here he would have had a really good shot at playing. A LOT.

That’s crazy to me. I’m sure practice squad guys have refused an active roster spot with another team before but I’m willing to bet it rarely happens.

I wonder what his reasoning was?

[Hoopsdoc]

Denver is 11-2 and on a 10 game winning streak. Tied for the best record in the NFL.

This is probably Ehlinger's best shot of getting a Super Bowl ring.

Apparently he’s happy just collecting a check and never playing.

Good for him, I guess.

[YDFL Commish]

I really believe that if Rivers had given us one more year, we would have not only made the playoffs in 2021, but made some noise in the playoffs.

[Hoopsdoc]

I really believe that if Rivers had given us one more year, we would have not only made the playoffs in 2021, but made some noise in the playoffs.

So why did he leave?

[YDFL Commish]

So why did he leave?

family came first.

[Hoopsdoc]

family came first.

Apparently the Colts had hoped to sign both Ehlinger AND Rivers. If that’s true, his decision to stay in Denver makes a little more sense.

He probably thought they wanted him to back up Rivers. He’s a back up in Denver and they like it there so why move?

If that’s true, it says a lot about what the Colts think of Leonard, that they were trying to bring two guys in to be ahead of him.

[Colts And Orioles]

You start Rypien. Next man up. l He was good enough to be placed in his position before, he should be starting now. l Sign a reasonable FA QB off the street. Don't bring back an old, famous name to create a show. Doing a circus act clown show because your season is fucked, regardless of whoever QB starts, is just a gross to me.

I've made my opinion clear and won't be posting about this anymore.





o


He was good enough to be placed in that position before ??? What position is that ??? Rypien is a career 2nd-string/3rd-string/4th string NFL QB who hasn't taken a snap from center since the 2023 season. For his "career" he is 98-for-168 (58.3% Completion Rate) for 950 Yards Passing, 4 TD's, 9 INT's, and has a Passer Rating of 59.9.


If Rypien ever gets into a game for the Colts the season, I would love nothing more than for him to light it up and lead the team to a victory ...... but you are screaming about the franchise being a joke for signing Philip Rivers to the practice squad while simultaneously claiming that the right move right now would be to start a quarterback who hasn't been anywhere near adequate in the very brief time that he has played since entering the league in 2019 ...... I don't think that you really believe that, I think that you are just saying that because you don't want to admit that Kray was correct in asserting that you have no solution to the problem in which you are criticizing the Colts for because of the manner in which they are dealing with it. I don't have a solution either, but I'm also not asserting that the Colts should make an obvious move that is better than what they are doing, because there is no obvious alternate move.

o

[CletusPyle]

All this tells me one thing, if the Colts don't make the playoffs both Ballard and Steichen are going to be fired. This is desperation from a guy (Ballard) that has already gambled our future on a fragile cornerback and knows what a fool he will look like if the Colts don't make the playoffs....again!

Riley looked better than Sam ever did with very limited preparation. Fat boy Rivers won't last an entire game, no way he is in game shape. These guys (Ballard and Steichen) are trying to save themselves, hopefully both are fired at the end of the season!

[sherck]

All this tells me one thing, if the Colts don't make the playoffs both Ballard and Steichen are going to be fired...These guys (Ballard and Steichen) are trying to save themselves...
I think this is 100% correct.

I think CIG is way hands on, sits in the player meetings and coaches meetings and listens to everyone and everything. I think she knows better than perhaps any other owner in the league what state the team is in.

You also cannot stand for "just good enough" in the NFL. You have to keep striving for better.

I am undecided as to if Ballard and SS need to go; the first half of the season showed that they have a winning team on their hands....when everything is going for them.

But, I agree that the Sauce trade and Rivers signings are SO FAR OUTSIDE THE BALLARD NORM that they indicate a desperation in team management that we have not seen before.

It will not surprise me to see them fired if we miss the playoffs. It will not surprise me to see them back next year.

What I do know, however, is that CIG is going to be very interested in how her (and her sisters) team is working day in and day out and will have a finger on the pulse like almost no other owner does.

And I hope that will great for us in the long run.

[Oldcolt]

I think this is 100% correct.

I think CIG is way hands on, sits in the player meetings and coaches meetings and listens to everyone and everything. I think she knows better than perhaps any other owner in the league what state the team is in.

You also cannot stand for "just good enough" in the NFL. You have to keep striving for better.

I am undecided as to if Ballard and SS need to go; the first half of the season showed that they have a winning team on their hands....when everything is going for them.

But, I agree that the Sauce trade and Rivers signings are SO FAR OUTSIDE THE BALLARD NORM that they indicate a desperation in team management that we have not seen before.

It will not surprise me to see them fired if we miss the playoffs. It will not surprise me to see them back next year.

What I do know, however, is that CIG is going to be very interested in how her (and her sisters) team is working day in and day out and will have a finger on the pulse like almost no other owner does.

And I hope that will great for us in the long run.

Well this also is my hope for the team. It will be fascinating to see how she and her sisters handle this whole thing. From what we read she was all in on Sauce. This will be a very telling offseason. So just watch Rivers lead us into an improbable run and throw everything into a scramble

[Kray007]

Yeah, but he’s never going to play there. Here he would have had a really good shot at playing. A LOT.

That’s crazy to me. I’m sure practice squad guys have refused an active roster spot with another team before but I’m willing to bet it rarely happens.

I wonder what his reasoning was?

The mere fact that the shade of Sam Ehlinger has entered our conversation shows how dire the situation has become. Ehlinger is a fringe, practice squad denizen, the kind of guy you pray never takes the field. If he does, your season has gone so far off the tracks, so sideways that you’re adrift at sea, clinging to what’s left of a dining room table, like a survivor of the Titanic.

Phillip Rivers, in a wheelchair, his right arm in a cast, gives you a better chance of winning than Sam Ehlinger.

Well, maybe not.

But, Rivers does bring a little to the table. He’s smart, with a wealth of experience. He’s accurate, he probably has enough of an arm left to run some truncated version of Shane Steichen’s Offense, and he can probably do a splendid job of handing the ball off to Jonathan Taylor.

At this point, we can’t realistically as for more.

[Hoopsdoc]

All this tells me one thing, if the Colts don't make the playoffs both Ballard and Steichen are going to be fired. This is desperation from a guy (Ballard) that has already gambled our future on a fragile cornerback and knows what a fool he will look like if the Colts don't make the playoffs....again!

Riley looked better than Sam ever did with very limited preparation. Fat boy Rivers won't last an entire game, no way he is in game shape. These guys (Ballard and Steichen) are trying to save themselves, hopefully both are fired at the end of the season!

Steichen and Ballard aren’t getting fired after this season. I’d bet quite a bit on that.

[Kray007]

All this tells me one thing, if the Colts don't make the playoffs both Ballard and Steichen are going to be fired. This is desperation from a guy (Ballard) that has already gambled our future on a fragile cornerback and knows what a fool he will look like if the Colts don't make the playoffs....again!

Riley looked better than Sam ever did with very limited preparation. Fat boy Rivers won't last an entire game, no way he is in game shape. These guys (Ballard and Steichen) are trying to save themselves, hopefully both are fired at the end of the season!

Firing Steichen and Ballard would make us the laughing stock of the NFL. you don’t fire people because they can’t win with a practice squad Quarterback.

You don’t fire people because you can’t win with Riley Leonard.

When they drafted Leonard, only one person on this board didn’t rip the move, and his…UK Colt’s…reaction was that we should wait and see. The consensus was that he brings nothing to the table. Now, 7 months later, we’re ready to fire people if Leonard doesn’t pull a rabbit out of his hat?

Sheesh.

[apballin]

Leonard is a competitor he’s gonna go out there and shock the world in Seattle

[CletusPyle]

Firing Steichen and Ballard would make us the laughing stock of the NFL. you don’t fire people because they can’t win with a practice squad Quarterback.

You don’t fire people because you can’t win with Riley Leonard.

When they drafted Leonard, only one person on this board didn’t rip the move, and his…UK Colt’s…reaction was that we should wait and see. The consensus was that he brings nothing to the table. Now, 7 months later, we’re ready to fire people if Leonard doesn’t pull a rabbit out of his hat?

Sheesh.

Did Leonard lose to the Steelers, Chiefs, and Texans.....we are already the laughing stock of the league! Using your theory, Jones ruptured achilles is the best thing that could have happened for Ballard, because the team was losing to better teams before that happened. Ballard has had 8 years and it is the same shit every year and the same excuse makers defend him every season.

I'll throw this in to, if Leonard wasn't good enough to backup an injured Jones, why didn't they upgrade the position early on? Stroud goes down for 3 games and Davis Mills steps in and wins all 3 games, that is a prepared team!

[CletusPyle]

Leonard is a competitor he’s gonna go out there and shock the world in Seattle

He should get his chance!

[Hoopsdoc]

Did Leonard lose to the Steelers, Chiefs, and Texans.....we are already the laughing stock of the league! Using your theory, Jones ruptured achilles is the best thing that could have happened for Ballard, because the team was losing to better teams before that happened. Ballard has had 8 years and it is the same shit every year and the same excuse makers defend him every season.

I'll throw this in to, if Leonard wasn't good enough to backup an injured Jones, why didn't they upgrade the position early on? Stroud goes down for 3 games and Davis Mills steps in and wins all 3 games, that is a prepared team!

They didn’t upgrade the position because no one could have foreseen it taking this long for AR to heal. It’s a mystery why he’s still having issues.

Regardless, they’re not firing Steichen or Ballard after the season, nor should they. They’d never get anyone to come here.

Daniel Jones was having a career year before he got hurt, that’s indisputable. That’s because of Steichen. Ballard built one of the deepest offenses in the league, with talent at every position. He leaves a little to be desired on the other side but no GM is perfect.

[CletusPyle]

They didn’t upgrade the position because no one could have foreseen it taking this long for AR to heal. It’s a mystery why he’s still having issues.

Regardless, they’re not firing Steichen or Ballard after the season, nor should they. They’d never get anyone to come here.

Daniel Jones was having a career year before he got hurt, that’s indisputable. That’s because of Steichen. Ballard built one of the deepest offenses in the league, with talent at every position. He leaves a little to be desired on the other side but no GM is perfect.

I like Jones, not sure he will ever be the same player after this injury. Let's be fair, we were playing a very weak schedule early on, when we got into the tougher part of the schedule the powerful offense came down to Earth. I actually like Steichen and perhaps he deserves a couple more years, but Ballard has had plenty of time, I can't believe he is never held accountable for some of his terrible decisions.

Someone said Carlie was totally onboard with the Sauce deal, who puts crap like that out there? People protecting Ballard, that's who, he probably has people leak crap like that. Every bad deal we have made it is always the same, "Jim loved the idea", "It was Frank Reich's idea", he always manages to get cover....he is teflon Chris!

[Hoopsdoc]

I like Jones, not sure he will ever be the same player after this injury. Let's be fair, we were playing a very weak schedule early on, when we got into the tougher part of the schedule the powerful offense came down to Earth. I actually like Steichen and perhaps he deserves a couple more years, but Ballard has had plenty of time, I can't believe he is never held accountable for some of his terrible decisions.

Someone said Carlie was totally onboard with the Sauce deal, who puts crap like that out there? People protecting Ballard, that's who, he probably has people leak crap like that. Every bad deal we have made it is always the same, "Jim loved the idea", "It was Frank Reich's idea", he always manages to get cover....he is teflon Chris!

I get the frustration, I really do. The colts are caught in no man’s land. Not bad enough to be able to draft a true franchise quarterback but not good enough to actually win games. And without a franchise quarterback in the nfl, you have nothing. You have no shot.

I’m pretty certain that unless the next guy has a foolproof plan for acquiring a franchise quarterback, he or she won’t be any better than Ballard. In fact, they’d almost certainly be worse.

[Racehorse]

Firing Steichen and Ballard would make us the laughing stock of the NFL. you don’t fire people because they can’t win with a practice squad Quarterback.

You don’t fire people because you can’t win with Riley Leonard.

When they drafted Leonard, only one person on this board didn’t rip the move, and his…UK Colt’s…reaction was that we should wait and see. The consensus was that he brings nothing to the table. Now, 7 months later, we’re ready to fire people if Leonard doesn’t pull a rabbit out of his hat?

Sheesh.

The ones doing that have wanted them both fired for quite some time, but have been waiting for the time to pounce.

[CletusPyle]

Just wondering if 2 playoff berths and no division titles in 8 years should be paid this much?

Chris Ballard's salary is not publicly available, but he is reportedly under a new 5.5-year contract worth $131.5 million, with $70 million guaranteed through 2028.

Grigson had 2 division titles......

[Racehorse]

I get the frustration, I really do. The colts are caught in no man’s land. Not bad enough to be able to draft a true franchise quarterback but not good enough to actually win games. And without a franchise quarterback in the nfl, you have nothing. You have no shot.

I’m pretty certain that unless the next guy has a foolproof plan for acquiring a franchise quarterback, he or she won’t be any better than Ballard. In fact, they’d almost certainly be worse.

If you take an objective look at the league, teams that find a franchise QB (and I mean a real one, not a Trevor Lawrence type) do not have to spend as much capital finding one as those who swing and miss. They also do not get the really high picks, but those who get those picks waste them on a lottery ticket at the position, and have to pass on the elite talent at other positions. That is how the Steelers did so well for so long. They had Ben. NE had Brady. We had Peyton. NO had Brees. So, these teams could pick later, and get a player who was less of a lottery ticket, and a real prospect. This is why I think Ballard did not trade up, or make a risky gamble at QB, because there was more value in other positions. We have a lot of talent, but are again without a solid QB to make it work. If Ballard gets that part right, we can be drafting BPA to add depth and get on another decade of top-notch football.

Dam suggested we trade up to get Stroud. Maybe the idea is right to make one big swing, but I was never convinced Stroud was the guy Dam said he was. If I were convinced, I think Dam would have been right in that approach. However, that would have been a less expensive move up than where we have been drafting.

[Racehorse]

Just wondering if 2 playoff berths and no division titles in 8 years should be paid this much?

Chris Ballard's salary is not publicly available, but he is reportedly under a new 5.5-year contract worth $131.5 million, with $70 million guaranteed through 2028.

Grigson had 2 division titles......

Correction: Luck had two division titles despite Grigsuck

[CletusPyle]

Correction: Luck had two division titles despite Grigsuck

Considering Ballard's past QB picks, maybe Ballard picks RGIII.....:D

[Puck]

I like Jones, not sure he will ever be the same player after this injury. Let's be fair, we were playing a very weak schedule early on, when we got into the tougher part of the schedule the powerful offense came down to Earth. I actually like Steichen and perhaps he deserves a couple more years, but Ballard has had plenty of time, I can't believe he is never held accountable for some of his terrible decisions.

Someone said Carlie was totally onboard with the Sauce deal, who puts crap like that out there? People protecting Ballard, that's who, he probably has people leak crap like that. Every bad deal we have made it is always the same, "Jim loved the idea", "It was Frank Reich's idea", he always manages to get cover....he is teflon Chris!

You are just reaching to blame Ballard for anything this yr. This is a very good team at almost all levels. LB is the weakest area. Without all the injuries (not Ballards fault). Our secondary would be one of the tops in the league. (Dont't forget Walley). But we lost Ward to a freak injury and Sauce to another one. One is done for the yr and the other is still hopeful.

DL has been down with out Buck. (not Ballards fault). Bur he went out and got Wormly who has been a pleasant surprise in limited snaps.

DJ has been playing on a broken freakin leg for his last 3 games (arguably the hardest stretch )against KC Houston and JAX those teams only combined for 1 sack, so the Oline is getting back to a top team.

We have one of the best TE's in the league and the best RB in the league. Ballard drafted them. Everyone wanted Pierce gone after one yr and look at him now. Tops in separation and tops in yds per catch. Will that be taken away with Phil? We will see.

For all those saying they should have had a plan for backup QB, Who could have predicted AR would get fucked up by a piece of training equipment??

Was the Rivers thing a last second hail mary? Possibly, How do you know that Rivers wasn’t the back up plan all along? They are in constant communication. Rivers was never going to come here and sit the bench behind DJ. IMO for a few reasons. He's and alpha and not a back up. Also it would have put pressure on DJ if he didn't perform well. So he told Shane call me if you need me. Its been said that for the last few yrs he has stayed in shape to help a team make it in the playoffs. Yea this summer he thought it was over, But after DJ went down Phil was watching and thought to himself. Is Shane gonna call?

How else could it be explained that DJ gets hurt and he very next day Phil is in Indy and worked out and signed on Tuesday?

You mentioned the schedule. Most of us would agree that the Colts were hosed by the refs in the Chiefs game, Houston, as well as against Jaggoffs. We could easily be 10-2 We got outplayed by Steelers. Every team has one of those games. Yea some mistakes by Shane for sure. But we really could've been 10-2 and that is not a stretch. We were in every game Except the Steelers.

Anyway. Why do some of you even watch the Colts if you hate so much about it? Do you not think that even if Rivers is rusty, and plays bad. It's gonna be fun to watch? I can honestly say I never expected us to be 7-1 and the #1 seed. Then shit piled up.

I am excited to see Uncle Phil. Should be must watch TV. Hell the league is excited. My Bet is most of us didn't expect to be playing for something this late in the season.

All the negativity is one reason I am not on here. It's a place to vent, sure, but not constantly

[CletusPyle]

You are just reaching to blame Ballard for anything this yr. This is a very good team at almost all levels. LB is the weakest area. Without all the injuries (not Ballards fault). Our secondary would be one of the tops in the league. (Dont't forget Walley). But we lost Ward to a freak injury and Sauce to another one. One is done for the yr and the other is still hopeful.

DL has been down with out Buck. (not Ballards fault). Bur he went out and got Wormly who has been a pleasant surprise in limited snaps.

DJ has been playing on a broken freakin leg for his last 3 games (arguably the hardest stretch )against KC Houston and JAX those teams only combined for 1 sack, so the Oline is getting back to a top team.

We have one of the best TE's in the league and the best RB in the league. Ballard drafted them. Everyone wanted Pierce gone after one yr and look at him now. Tops in separation and tops in yds per catch. Will that be taken away with Phil? We will see.

For all those saying they should have had a plan for backup QB, Who could have predicted AR would get fucked up by a piece of training equipment??

Was the Rivers thing a last second hail mary? Possibly, How do you know that Rivers wasn’t the back up plan all along? They are in constant communication. Rivers was never going to come here and sit the bench behind DJ. IMO for a few reasons. He's and alpha and not a back up. Also it would have put pressure on DJ if he didn't perform well. So he told Shane call me if you need me. Its been said that for the last few yrs he has stayed in shape to help a team make it in the playoffs. Yea this summer he thought it was over, But after DJ went down Phil was watching and thought to himself. Is Shane gonna call?

How else could it be explained that DJ gets hurt and he very next day Phil is in Indy and worked out and signed on Tuesday?

You mentioned the schedule. Most of us would agree that the Colts were hosed by the refs in the Chiefs game, Houston, as well as against Jaggoffs. We could easily be 10-2 We got outplayed by Steelers. Every team has one of those games. Yea some mistakes by Shane for sure. But we really could've been 10-2 and that is not a stretch. We were in every game Except the Steelers.

Anyway. Why do some of you even watch the Colts if you hate so much about it? Do you not think that even if Rivers is rusty, and plays bad. It's gonna be fun to watch? I can honestly say I never expected us to be 7-1 and the #1 seed. Then shit piled up.

I am excited to see Uncle Phil. Should be must watch TV. Hell the league is excited. My Bet is most of us didn't expect to be playing for something this late in the season.

All the negativity is one reason I am not on here. It's a place to vent, sure, but not constantly

If you were on here during the games for more than 10 minutes you would know I am not always negative....just fed up with a mediocre team for nearly a decade and a GM that is never held accountable!

[Puck]

If you were on here during the games for more than 10 minutes you would know I am not always negative....just fed up with a mediocre team for nearly a decade and a GM that is never held accountable!

Fair enough and that wasn't only directed at you. It was to everyone. I don't expect everyone to wear the blue glasses, But. vent and move on. Nothing anyone can do about it and As long as Carlie is good with it, her decision is the only one that matters.

I don't know about the rest of you, but this season has been fun. Although I was about done with the NFL after the refs in the Chiefs game and the Houston game.

Something has to be done about it.

[Puck]

Jack Doyle on Uncle Phil

https://x.com/Colts/status/1999195243397202111?s=20

[Kray007]

Did Leonard lose to the Steelers, Chiefs, and Texans.....we are already the laughing stock of the league! Using your theory, Jones ruptured achilles is the best thing that could have happened for Ballard, because the team was losing to better teams before that happened. Ballard has had 8 years and it is the same shit every year and the same excuse makers defend him every season.

I'll throw this in to, if Leonard wasn't good enough to backup an injured Jones, why didn't they upgrade the position early on? Stroud goes down for 3 games and Davis Mills steps in and wins all 3 games, that is a prepared team!

They lost to the defending AFC champions and the Texans by a combined 7 points, and they did it with a Quarterback playing on a broken leg.

As far as a failure to upgrade the position in case of an injury, how soon do we forget Anthony Richardson. He was plan B, the guy who was supposed to step in if anything happened to Jones.

[dwilli57]

https://www.espn.com/olympics/skiing/story/_/id/47284544/lindsey-vonn-41-earns-1st-world-cup-downhill-win-2018

Lindsey Vonn came out of a 5 year retirement and won her first World Cup Downhill since 2018. She's not 44 years old like Uncle Phil but she is 41. Not saying PR will take us anywhere but maybe there's something to be said of aged.

[albany ed]

I think it will be fun to find out what he has in the tank. And, this team is going no where without someone in that position that can lead them. Be it Leonard or Rivers behind center, I'll be watching and I'll be cheering for a W. Is there any other option for a loyal fan?

[CletusPyle]

As far as a failure to upgrade the position in case of an injury, how soon do we forget Anthony Richardson. He was plan B, the guy who was supposed to step in if anything happened to Jones.

That guy hasn't been available all season, the fact that Jones had a hairline fracture in his leg is even more reason to have a better backup available if you believe Riley couldn't do it! I personally believe Riley is better than he is given credit for, certainly a better option than a 44 year old out of shape former player, regardless of how good he might have been.

I hope I'm wrong and Rivers shocks the world and common sense and does great....but I think it is really just a novelty act and a slap in the face to Riley Leonard!

By the way, I suppose this post will be considered negativity, I was perfectly willing to never mention Rivers or Ballard again, but you chose to keep piling on so I will continue to defend my position!

[Oldcolt]

People root for teams differently. Some of us are always negative, some of us are pollyanna types that always see the positive. The truth probably is somewhere in-between. But getting on someone for being negative who has spent the last 10 years (for me it is over 60 fucking years) following this mediocre shit show is a little much to me. Bitch all you want, if I disagree it gives me someone and something to argue about and with, which is one of the reasons I come here. I, and this is today, think Ballard is great at his job except he is horrible at scouting pass rushers and quarterbacks-unfortunately the two most important positions in football. Not sure if that can ever be worked around, maybe if you just get lucky. I like Steichen. He produces wins with no pass rush and the best QB he has ever had was having a career year with him (seems to happen quite often) but I want to point out that a career year with Jones made him into an average QB. Nobody keeps repeating career years.

[albany ed]

Keep your expectations low, but your hopes high and hang on, it's bound to be a bumpy ride.

[Colts And Orioles]

People root for teams differently. Some of us are always negative, some of us are pollyanna types that always see the positive. The truth probably is somewhere in-between. But getting on someone for being negative who has spent the last 10 years (for me it is over 60 fucking years) following this mediocre shit show is a little much to me. Bitch all you want, if I disagree it gives me someone and something to argue about and with, which is one of the reasons I come here. I, and this is today, think Ballard is great at his job except he is horrible at scouting pass rushers and quarterbacks-unfortunately the two most important positions in football. Not sure if that can ever be worked around, maybe if you just get lucky. I like Steichen. He produces wins with no pass rush and the best QB he has ever had was having a career year with him (seems to happen quite often), l but I want to point out that a career year with Jones made him into an average QB. Nobody keeps repeating career years.





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Jim Plunkett was thought of as a loser after 7 seasons of futility while QB-ing bad teams on the New England Patriots and the San Francisco 49ers from 1971 through 1977. After being out of football for 2 seasons, he came back with the Raiders and resurrected his career behind one of the best offensive lines in the history of professional football. He won a Super Bowl in 1980, won another Super Bowl in 1983, and led the Raiders to an 8-1 record in 1982 before they were upset by the Jets in the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Plunkett's record as a starter with the Patriots and the 49ers between 1971 and 1977 was 34-53.

Plunkett's record as a starter with the Raiders between 1980 and 1984 was 34-12.


The Colts were 8-2 this season before Daniel Jones hurt his leg, and he was ranked #4 in the NFL in passer rating at that point. They lost the last 2 games that he played entirely by a very close margin while his mobility, which is a big part of his game for exponential reasons, was severely hampered. Presuming that Jones is necessarily now average based largely on his 6 seasons playing with bad New York Giants teams and 1 season playing with the Colts is as faulty as saying that Jim Plunket had a career year in 1980, and therefore could not continue at that success rate, which he clearly dd.

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[Colts And Orioles]

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Jim Plunkett was thought of as a loser after 7 seasons of futility while QB-ing bad teams on the New England Patriots and the San Francisco 49ers from 1971 through 1977. After being out of football for 2 seasons, he came back with the Raiders and resurrected his career behind one of the best offensive lines in the history of professional football. He won a Super Bowl in 1980, won another Super Bowl in 1983, and led the Raiders to an 8-1 record in 1982 before they were upset by the Jets in the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Plunkett's record as a starter with the Patriots and the 49ers between 1971 and 1977 was 34-53.

Plunkett's record as a starter with the Raiders between 1980 and 1984 was 34-12.


The Colts were 8-2 this season before Daniel Jones hurt his leg, and he was ranked #4 in the NFL in passer rating at that point. They lost the last 2 games that he played entirely by a very close margin while his mobility, which is a big part of his game for exponential reasons, was severely hampered. Presuming that Jones is necessarily now average based largely on his 6 seasons playing with bad New York Giants teams and 1 season playing with the Colts is as faulty as saying that Jim Plunket had a career year in 1980, and therefore could not continue at that success rate, which he clearly dd.

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And I'm not asserting that Daniel Jones will necessarily continue the success that he had this season with the Colts, like Plunkett did with the Raiders ...... he might continue to thrive, or he might fall flat on his face ...... but we won't know that for at least a couple of more years.

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[Colts And Orioles]

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And I'm not asserting that Daniel Jones will necessarily continue the success that he had this season with the Colts, like Plunkett did with the Raiders ...... he might continue to thrive, or he might fall flat on his face ...... but we won't know that for at least a couple of more years.

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A more recent example of a QB resurrecting his career with better teams after languishing in mediocrity with mostly mediocre teams is Rich Gannon. Gannon was drafted in 1987, but did not get significant playing time until 1990 with the Vikings.


In 4 seasons as a starter between 1990 and 1993 Gannon had 43 TD's, 42 INT's, and a QB rating of 72.9.

In 7 seasons as a starter between 1996 and 2002 Gannon had 128 TD's, 55 INT's, and a QB rating of 90.7.


Gannon's record as a starting QB between 1990 and 1993 was 20-19.

Gannon's record as a starting QB between 1996 and 2002 was 52-31.


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A smaller sample size of a QB flailing badly early in his career and then turning it around with a much better team would be Steve Young.


In 2 seasons with the Buccaneers in 1985 and 1986, Steve Young had a record of 3-16 as a starting QB. He had 11 TD's 21 INT's, and a QB rating of 63.1

In his very first season with the 49ers in 1987 filling in for an injured Joe Montana, Young had 10 TD's, 0 INT's, and a QB rating of 120.8.

Young continued to thrive filling in for Montana when he was hurt over the next 3 seasons from 1988 through 1990, throwing for 13 TD's, 6 INT's, and a QB rating of 94.7.

Young became the 49'ers' full-time QB in 1991 when Montana was out with an injury, and the rest is history.



Would Steve Young have improved his game had he remained with the laughing-stock Buccaneers instead of being traded to the gold-mine 49ers ??? He may have, but it is highly unlikely that he would have put up numbers similar to what he did when he was playing for the 49ers ...... one can imagine how Archie Manning's career would have turned out had he been traded to the Raiders or the Steelers prior to the 1972 season.

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[ChaosTheory]

My brain is telling me they brought him in to play, but for some reason I'm not 1000% ready to believe it unless Leonard just can't go.

I actually thought Leonard looked pretty good vs. JAX. What gets lost in the whole debacle is that we had some atrocious calls go against us, but nobody cared at that point. 16, 8, and 12-play scoring drives - Riley/Pittman got screwed out of a TD and screwed into a mind-melting INT (still can't believe that one).

I guess I won't be surprised by anything. Assuming Leonard can play: Rivers could backup Leonard as a true emergency, they could give him another week and let him take the reigns after SEA on short notice, or they could say fuck it and see what he can do against SEA.

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If anyone wants to join me, the cope-induced take I'm rolling with to make me feel better...

He mainly retired for priorities. Arm still looks ok from what players/reporters are saying. And consider that he was never really a rocket arm guy, anyway (especially by 2020). He was also, in his prime, one of the stiffest and most immobile QB's. Hopefully he can avoid gassing out.

So if the desire is there, his main weapon should still be intact, which is mental and pre-snap. ID the defense and get us in the right situation - let the playmakers loose.

A man can dream.

[Colts And Orioles]

My brain is telling me they brought him in to play, but for some reason I'm not 1000% ready to believe it unless Leonard just can't go.

I actually thought Leonard looked pretty good vs. JAX. What gets lost in the whole debacle is that we had some atrocious calls go against us, but nobody cared at that point. 16, 8, and 12-play scoring drives - Riley/Pittman got screwed out of a TD and screwed into a mind-melting INT (still can't believe that one.)

I guess I won't be surprised by anything. Assuming Leonard can play ...... Rivers could backup Leonard as a true emergency, they could give him another week and let him take the reigns after SEA on short notice, or they could say fuck it and see what he can do against SEA.

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If anyone wants to join me, the cope-induced take I'm rolling with to make me feel better ......

He mainly retired for priorities. Arm still looks ok from what players/reporters are saying. And consider that he was never really a rocket arm guy, anyway (especially by 2020). He was also, in his prime, one of the stiffest and most immobile QB's. Hopefully he can avoid gassing out.

So if the desire is there, his main weapon should still be intact, which is mental and pre-snap. ID the defense and get us in the right situation ...... let the playmakers loose.

A man can dream.





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I dreamed that Daniel Jones might have a Jim Plunkett-type of resurrection with the Colts, and for the most part he did, prior to breaking his fibula.

I'm also dreaming that Philip Rivers can still be an effective quarterback in the NFL ....... with the odds, of course, being much lower than the odds were for a Daniel Jones breakout season.

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[Oldcolt]

Hell yes Chaos. If the only joy you get from football is reality you're losing out on most of it. I will add that a ring would cap off Rivers career, ensure him the HOF and make him a folk hero to boot.

[Hoopsdoc]

My brain is telling me they brought him in to play, but for some reason I'm not 1000% ready to believe it unless Leonard just can't go.

I actually thought Leonard looked pretty good vs. JAX. What gets lost in the whole debacle is that we had some atrocious calls go against us, but nobody cared at that point. 16, 8, and 12-play scoring drives - Riley/Pittman got screwed out of a TD and screwed into a mind-melting INT (still can't believe that one).

I guess I won't be surprised by anything. Assuming Leonard can play: Rivers could backup Leonard as a true emergency, they could give him another week and let him take the reigns after SEA on short notice, or they could say fuck it and see what he can do against SEA.

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If anyone wants to join me, the cope-induced take I'm rolling with to make me feel better...

He mainly retired for priorities. Arm still looks ok from what players/reporters are saying. And consider that he was never really a rocket arm guy, anyway (especially by 2020). He was also, in his prime, one of the stiffest and most immobile QB's. Hopefully he can avoid gassing out.

So if the desire is there, his main weapon should still be intact, which is mental and pre-snap. ID the defense and get us in the right situation - let the playmakers loose.

A man can dream.

I’m pretty sure Rivers will start.

[ChaosTheory]

I’m pretty sure Rivers will start.

Could be. But between the short notice, the opponent vying for the #1 seed, this particular stadium environment, Braden Smith out, Buckner out, Gardner out, and the following two games being at home...

We'll see.

[Colts And Orioles]

The Colts are bringing in Rivers for a workout ...... I honestly don’t know how I feel about this.





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When you started the thread, you should have used his last name instead of his first.




https://i.scdn.co/image/ab67616d00001e02e00f43b3971a69c0a1e6d6f0

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[albany ed]

Could be. But between the short notice, the opponent vying for the #1 seed, this particular stadium environment, Braden Smith out, Buckner out, Gardner out, and the following two games being at home...

We'll see.

I'll watch, I'll pull for the team, pull for Rivers or Leonard to do well, but ...

I'll be shocked if this doesn't turn into a complete embarrassment for my team.

[Oldcolt]

I'll watch, I'll pull for the team, pull for Rivers or Leonard to do well, but ...

I'll be shocked if this doesn't turn into a complete embarrassment for my team.


Me to. But then again 7-1 shocked the crap out of me. I will not be embarrassed one bit no matter what happens. We really have no options at this point in the season. This is a Hail Mary but I see it as a football Hail Mary with a chance of hitting. I do love fighting all the way I sure hope the team can pull this improbable victory off. As long as we are hoping I'm also hoping AR bonds with River like he has with no other QB and learns from the man

[Racehorse]

Me to. But then again 7-1 shocked the crap out of me. I will not be embarrassed one bit no matter what happens. We really have no options at this point in the season. This is a Hail Mary but I see it as a football Hail Mary with a chance of hitting. I do love fighting all the way I sure hope the team can pull this improbable victory off. As long as we are hoping I'm also hoping AR bonds with River like he has with no other QB and learns from the man

It is definitely a hail mary, and the only one with a chance of success. I never thought I would ever pull for Rivers, but 2020 changed that for me.

[Hoopsdoc]

Rapaport says old man Rivers will start in Seattle.

It was obvious from the moment they wouldn’t name a starter that it would be Rivers.

Tells you a lot about what they think of Leonard.

Oh well. It’ll be interesting anyway.

[Racehorse]

Thinking about the hail mary concept, I must say it feels more like a hail mary with AAron Rodgers throwing it at the end that it would with Curtis Painter throwing it. Rodgers had a high success rate on those throws in comparison with the rest of the QB field.

[Puck]

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Colts are activating Philip Rivers to their active roster from their practice squad, paving the way for him to make his first NFL start in five years Sunday at Seattle.

By signing to the active roster today, Rivers also now will go from being a semi-finalist for this year’s Pro Football Hall of Fame to not being eligible again until 2031.

[apballin]

Adam Schefter
@AdamSchefter
Colts are activating Philip Rivers to their active roster from their practice squad, paving the way for him to make his first NFL start in five years Sunday at Seattle.

By signing to the active roster today, Rivers also now will go from being a semi-finalist for this year’s Pro Football Hall of Fame to not being eligible again until 2031.

He’s risking a lot and it says a lot that he’s willing to risk all this to give the organization and Irsay family a shot.

I’m hoping for a miracle, Rivers or Leonard, Win for Jim and keep us in the playoff hunt

[Puck]

Mike Chappell
@mchappell51
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23h
If Philip Rivers gets pro-rated vet minimum ($1.255m) for final 4 games, that's roughly $280,000. Per
@overthecap
, Rivers' career earnings is $242m. He's got kids to feed, but this isn't about $$$.

https://x.com/mchappell51/status/1999901974691737937?s=20

[Colts And Orioles]

He’s risking a lot and it says a lot that he’s willing to risk all this to give the organization and Irsay family a shot.

I’m hoping for a miracle, Rivers or Leonard, Win for Jim and keep us in the playoff hunt.





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Rivers sees the forest for the trees ....... he knows that he was a great quarterback in his prime, and he doesn't need the Hall-of-Fame to confirm that.

Babe Ruth copied Shoeless Joe Jackson's swing, and said that Jackson was the greatest natural hitter that he ever saw ...... everybody knows that Jackson was one of the greatest players of all-time. He doesn't need to be inducted to the Hall-of-Fame for confirmation.

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[Discflinger]

Damn, it's gonna be interesting.

[Colts And Orioles]

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(vs. SEAHAWKS, 12/14)


My initial feeling was that after today the Colts should go with Riley Leonard, but not anymore ...... after starting the game going 3-for-8, Philip Rivers went 15-for-19, and that includes when he intentionally threw the ball away several times.

In my rat's ass of an opinion, Rivers is the guy that we ought have in there going forward for the rest of the season.

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[Lov2fish]

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(vs. SEAHAWKS, 12/14)


My initial feeling was that after today the Colts should go with Riley Leonard, but not anymore ...... after starting the game going 3-for-8, Philip Rivers went 15-for-19, and that includes when he intentionally threw the ball away several times.

In my rat's ass of an opinion, Rivers is the guy that we ought have in there going forward for the rest of the season.

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A guy who can't roll out, scramble or even run one yard? Can't avoid a sack, and definitely not a QB sneak in him anywhere. Can't throw over 15 yards without it looking like a hanging knuckle ball. Ya, lets fucking do that

[Racehorse]

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(vs. SEAHAWKS, 12/14)


My initial feeling was that after today the Colts should go with Riley Leonard, but not anymore ...... after starting the game going 3-for-8, Philip Rivers went 15-for-19, and that includes when he intentionally threw the ball away several times.

In my rat's ass of an opinion, Rivers is the guy that we ought have in there going forward for the rest of the season.

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I would like to see a platoon system.

[Colts And Orioles]

I would like to see a platoon system.





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That might be a good idea, and it might be just what they do.

In the game thread, I said that I thought that the Colts might be intending to start Leonard in the final 2 intra-division games against the Jaguars and the Texans, and that the reason why they wanted Rivers to play today was for him to get one full game of experience under his belt in case Leonard got hurt in those games ...... now Rivers has that one full game of experience under his belt, so he will be ready to get back out there if we go with Riley, and Riley gets injured.

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[YDFL Commish]

I would like to see a platoon system.

I would like to see some results adding up to wins. I don't give a fuck how they do it.

[Colts And Orioles]

A guy who can't roll out, scramble or even run one yard? Can't avoid a sack, and definitely not a QB sneak in him anywhere. Can't throw over 15 yards without it looking like a hanging knuckle ball. Ya, lets fucking do that.





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The chances that Riley Leonard would have given the Colts a better chance to win today's game is 50/50 ...... he's much younger than Rivers, he's much more mobile than Rivers, and he has much more arm-strength than Rivers ...... but I doubt that he would have been able to complete 15-out-of-his-last-19 passes like Rivers did today, including 2 incompletions that were intentional.

Leonard played well last week, but he's still a total wildcard ....... he may wind up being a good starting quarterback in the NFL, he may wind up being a good 2nd-string quarterback in the NFL, or he could wind up sucking with hardly any NFL career at all.

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[Lov2fish]

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The chances that Riley Leonard would have given the Colts a better chance to win today's game is 50/50 ...... he's much younger than Rivers, he's much more mobile than Rivers, and he has much more arm-strength than Rivers ...... but I doubt that he would have been able to complete 15-out-of-his-last-19 passes like Rivers did today, including 2 incompletions that were intentional.

Leonard played well last week, but he's still a total wildcard ....... he may wind up being a good starting quarterback in the NFL, he may wind up being a good 2nd-string quarterback in the NFL, or he could wind up sucking with hardly any NFL career at all.

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We ain't gonna find out when we keep running people like Rivers out there. Look, he was a good QB. The key part of that is "WAS" It ain't there, and its not going to get better. This team is the king of parlor tricks. I doubt this will be the last one. It is who we are.

[Hoopsdoc]

We ain't gonna find out when we keep running people like Rivers out there. Look, he was a good QB. The key part of that is "WAS" It ain't there, and its not going to get better. This team is the king of parlor tricks. I doubt this will be the last one. It is who we are.

Rivers completed 18 passes for a whopping 120 yards. That ain’t gonna cut it.

[Lov2fish]

Rivers completed 18 passes for a whopping 120 yards. That ain’t gonna cut it.

If he was remotely close to the Rivers we had 5 years ago I would have been all in on the idea. I am no GM, or coach and my mediocre high school career doesn't make me qualified to judge personnel moves, but this had failure written all over it before it ever actually happened. Hopefully Rivers watches film tomorrow and understands what a bad idea it was. Its a blackeye on his outstanding resume as an NFL QB.

[CletusPyle]

Has anybody else heard the theory that Rivers came back because he didn't think he would get in the HOF on a first vote over Eli, and that unless Stafford retires this season he feels he would be the best QB in 5 years?

[sherck]

After having seen what Old Man Rivers has left in the tank, I think opposing defenses in our last three games, all of which are solid to good, are going to throttle the heck out of the run game and short passing game and dare him to throw it over 20 yards in the air.....

....which, when he did, were complete rainbows ready for interception.

While I was entertained yesterday with an almost win in a game I felt like we should lose by 21, OMR is not going to get us to the playoffs and if by some miracle we back in, will not win us a playoff game. His game is just too limited at this point in his career.

On that note, HATS OFF to the Colts defense. They played a heck of a good game yesterday minus some of their playmakers (Buck, Sauce, Ward). It was a HECK of a performance.

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After having seen what Old Man Rivers has left in the tank, I think opposing defenses in our last three games, all of which are solid to good, are going to throttle the heck out of the run game and short passing game and dare him to throw it over 20 yards in the air ..... which, when he did, were complete rainbows ready for interception.

While I was entertained yesterday with an almost win in a game I felt like we should lose by 21, OMR is not going to get us to the playoffs and if by some miracle we back in, will not win us a playoff game. His game is just too limited at this point in his career.

On that note, HATS OFF to the Colts defense. They played a heck of a good game yesterday minus some of their playmakers (Buck, Sauce, Ward). It was a HECK of a performance.





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After further introspection, you're probably right.

We probably caught lightning-in-a-bottle with Philip Rivers yesterday, and that is probably the best that we'll see of him if he continues to play.

I initially said that I think that we should continue to play Philip Rivers for the last 3 games of the season, but I think that that would be a mistake ...... Riley Leonard, as inexperienced as he is, is very likely our best shot at winning any more games this season.

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(vs. SEAHAWKS, 12/14)


My initial feeling was that after today the Colts should go with Riley Leonard, but not anymore ...... after starting the game going 3-for-8, Philip Rivers went 15-for-19, and that includes when he intentionally threw the ball away several times.

In my rat's ass of an opinion, Rivers is the guy that we ought have in there going forward for the rest of the season.

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A guy who can't roll out, scramble or even run one yard ??? Can't avoid a sack, and definitely not a QB sneak in him anywhere. Can't throw over 15 yards without it looking like a hanging knuckle ball. Ya, lets fucking do that.





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As I just said in my previous post, this is probably correct, and the best decision now would be to go with Riley Leonard for the team's final 3 games of the season.

We probably caught lightning-in-a-bottle with Philip Rivers yesterday, and that is probably the best that we'll see of him if he continues to play ...... and as Sherck pointed out, there is a good chance that other teams will adjust to him now that they have seen him play, and they will probably start picking off his short, looping passes.


I stand corrected.

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As I just said in my previous post, this is probably correct, and the best decision now would be to go with Riley Leonard for the team's final 3 games of the season.

We probably caught lightning-in-a-bottle with Philip Rivers yesterday, and that is probably the best that we'll see of him if he continues to play ...... and as Sherck pointed out, there is a good chance that other teams will adjust to him now that they have seen him play, and they will probably start picking off his short, looping passes.


I stand corrected.

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As I just yesterday in another thread, I have changed my mind again ...... I believe that Uncle Phil gives us the best chance to win, as Puck asserted.

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[Racehorse]

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As I just yesterday in another thread, I have changed my mind again ...... I believe that Uncle Phil gives us the best chance to win, as Puck asserted.

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I never would have guessed that you were female, but this constant changing of you mind leaves no doubt.

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As I just yesterday in another thread, I have changed my mind again ...... I believe that Uncle Phil gives us the best chance to win, as Puck asserted.

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Uncle Phil was fine tonight ...... the Colts' defense was absolutely atrocious.

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[Puck]

I want Uncle Phil as our OC

[apballin]

I want Uncle Phil as our OC

At this point I just want him to prep Leonard as much as he can these last 2 games. Our only hope right now is he shows signs he can be our qb for the future

[Oldcolt]

At this point I just want him to prep Leonard as much as he can these last 2 games. Our only hope right now is he shows signs he can be our qb for the future

You are a true fan holding out hope that Leonard is our future. I gotta admire your ability to do this.

[apballin]

You are a true fan holding out hope that Leonard is our future. I gotta admire your ability to do this.

It’s almost like his been groomed for it especially if Steichen is the coach, the whole Steichen-Rivers-Leonard dynamic

[Lov2fish]

You are a true fan holding out hope that Leonard is our future. I gotta admire your ability to do this.

Kid on the other side last night was a late round pick with so much predraft garbage on him, which lead to his draft position. Turned out ok for him.

Brady was a late round with knocks and reasons why he couldn't play in the NFL. Bledsoe getting hurt proved them to be idiots as well. History in the NFL tells you anyone can succeed despite what the pundits say. We won't know which side he falls on until he gets the chance. We ain't making the playoffs so might as well see. Barring a miracle we won't see DJ next year, so something has to work.

[Oldcolt]

Kid on the other side last night was a late round pick with so much predraft garbage on him, which lead to his draft position. Turned out ok for him.

Brady was a late round with knocks and reasons why he couldn't play in the NFL. Bledsoe getting hurt proved them to be idiots as well. History in the NFL tells you anyone can succeed despite what the pundits say. We won't know which side he falls on until he gets the chance. We ain't making the playoffs so might as well see. Barring a miracle we won't see DJ next year, so something has to work.

I don't disagree that seeing what he has is a decent idea. Nothing to lose. I just don't think he has anything. You could have pointed out that the great Johnny Unitas was a 9th round pick of the Steelers who they cut. That has happened once in 105 years of NFL. With the two you said (and Purdy has not won anything yet) that makes 3 in 105 years. Not likely to happen.

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A) l Since the retirement of Andrew Luck in 2019, the only season in which the Colts were a bona-fide contender was 2020, when our starting quarterback was Philip Rivers.


B) l When the Colts' once-sizzling 2025 season was coming apart, the man who almost salvaged it and saved it from ruin was ...... Philip Rivers.



Something tells me that Irsay and Ballard ought to beg Uncle Phil to come back and play in 2025, as he appears to be a modern-day Earl Morrall/George Blanda.

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[Hoopsdoc]

At this point I just want him to prep Leonard as much as he can these last 2 games. Our only hope right now is he shows signs he can be our qb for the future

I’m guessing if someone other than Rivers plays any at all, it will be AR, assuming he starts practicing.

But it’s a moot point because they’re gonna ride with Rivers.

[ChaosTheory]

AR can't even be on the sidelines without sunglasses. He's fucked up. That "cleared to work out" designation is really not registering with people.

[CletusPyle]

AR can't even be on the sidelines without sunglasses. He's fucked up. That "cleared to work out" designation is really not registering with people.

LOL....I wondered if I was the only one noticing that! It is a tragic story, but AR is just not cut out for the NFL. No shame in that, 90% of the population couldn't hold up to the physicality, let alone have the skills required to be the QB.

[apballin]

I’m guessing if someone other than Rivers plays any at all, it will be AR, assuming he starts practicing.

But it’s a moot point because they’re gonna ride with Rivers.

Probably especially if Texans lose to the chargers

[Puck]

LOL....I wondered if I was the only one noticing that! It is a tragic story, but AR is just not cut out for the NFL. No shame in that, 90% of the population couldn't hold up to the physicality, let alone have the skills required to be the QB.

I noticed it as well, Just a thought. Maybe he didnt want the cameras on his eyes during the game. Also I wonder if the pre game light show could iritate his eyes.

I do agree that there must still be issues.

I'm rooting for the kid. Just not this yr

[Puck]

I will add that if the Texans lose on Saturday it has to be Rivers at QB against the Jags.

If we are out I hope they put in Riley to shut everyone up who thinks he's ready.

NO WAY he can run that offense like rivers can. NO WAY But some will need to see it for themselves.

And I am a Riley fan. Just not yet

[Puck]

James Boyd
@RomeovilleKid
·
2h
#Colts HC Shane Steichen says QB Philip Rivers will start against the #Jaguars regardless of whether Indy is eliminated from the playoffs.

Says it wouldn't be "fair" to Riley Leonard to start the rookie on 24 hours notice if Rivers takes the first-team reps all week.

[Lov2fish]

I don't disagree that seeing what he has is a decent idea. Nothing to lose. I just don't think he has anything. You could have pointed out that the great Johnny Unitas was a 9th round pick of the Steelers who they cut. That has happened once in 105 years of NFL. With the two you said (and Purdy has not won anything yet) that makes 3 in 105 years. Not likely to happen.

I don't disagree, but we will never know if we don't throw him out there in the line of fire. I know statistically I am most likely wrong, but with the season a huge disappointment letting a 44 year old stir the ship while it is taking on water is probably not the wisest decision. Sans the QB position there is still a ton of NFL players drafted beyond the 4th. round playing and contributing. Shake the tree and see what falls out.

[omahacolt]

I will add that if the Texans lose on Saturday it has to be Rivers at QB against the Jags.

If we are out I hope they put in Riley to shut everyone up who thinks he's ready.

NO WAY he can run that offense like rivers can. NO WAY But some will need to see it for themselves.

And I am a Riley fan. Just not yet

Leonard wasn't a great passer in college. seems like a really good kid but I just don't understand why people think he may be any kind of answer

[CletusPyle]

Leonard wasn't a great passer in college. seems like a really good kid but I just don't understand why people think he may be any kind of answer

He's done everything ask of him, worked hard all season, and when he was forced into action unexpectedly did a respectable job and actually showed some promise....then when it looks like he gets his chance they bring in a 44 year old that hadn't played in 5 years....but he didn't bitch or complain and instead, from what I've heard, he has been very supportive and trying to learn all he can from Rivers.

That's the kind of kid I will be rooting for, and he wouldn't be the first guy that was underestimated and proved the experts wrong. If we are eliminated Sunday I hope Riley starts in Houston.

[apballin]

Leonard wasn't a great passer in college. seems like a really good kid but I just don't understand why people think he may be any kind of answer

He’s a competitor he’s played in high stakes games in college so he’s not afraid of the moment. Then when forced out there he played good in a really tough situation against a really good defense.

A lot of qbs weren’t great passers in college and he played in a run heavy offense so I’m not gonna hold that against him.

I’ll take the tough competitor as my qb every time, we’re clearly not asking any QB to be Mahomes or Allen in this offense.

[apballin]

James Boyd
@RomeovilleKid
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2h
#Colts HC Shane Steichen says QB Philip Rivers will start against the #Jaguars regardless of whether Indy is eliminated from the playoffs.

Says it wouldn't be "fair" to Riley Leonard to start the rookie on 24 hours notice if Rivers takes the first-team reps all week.

The same Shane Steichen that told Anthony Richardson he’s 1 play away.

If he’s not ready or wasn’t ready they should’ve brought in a QB when Jones originally got hurt

[YDFL Commish]

The same Shane Steichen that told Anthony Richardson he’s 1 play away.

If he’s not ready or wasn’t ready they should’ve brought in a QB when Jones originally got hurt

Who?

[Hoopsdoc]

James Boyd
@RomeovilleKid
·
2h
#Colts HC Shane Steichen says QB Philip Rivers will start against the #Jaguars regardless of whether Indy is eliminated from the playoffs.

Says it wouldn't be "fair" to Riley Leonard to start the rookie on 24 hours notice if Rivers takes the first-team reps all week.

Rivers and Steichen are asshole buddies.

Unless Rivers gets hurt or gets typhoid fever or something, he’s taking every snap for the rest of the season.

My guess is Steichen wants to persuade Rivers to come back next year.

[CletusPyle]

Rivers and Steichen are asshole buddies.

Unless Rivers gets hurt or gets typhoid fever or something, he’s taking every snap for the rest of the season.

My guess is Steichen wants to persuade Rivers to come back next year.

Rivers is much better than I thought he would be, the guy can still play! He's played two games and we were competitive in both games, but we also lost both games...if he loses again Sunday I hope the experiment is over!

[Oldcolt]

This whole discussion is depressing. We are arguing over Riley Leonard vs Phillip Rivers as our QB. What a shitshow.

[Puck]

Rivers and Steichen are asshole buddies.

Unless Rivers gets hurt or gets typhoid fever or something, he’s taking every snap for the rest of the season.

My guess is Steichen wants to persuade Rivers to come back next year.

What could you possibly expect to see from Leonard? Do you really think he gives the team the best chance to win? Do you think the guys on the team playing for wins, bonuses etc would choose the kid who hasn't done anything to get those for them?

Do you think we as fans need to see what the coaches and players see everyday in practice to decide if he is the future? So far the coaches say no. I don't hear any player on the team showing disappointment in PR playing

[apballin]

This whole discussion is depressing. We are arguing over Riley Leonard vs Phillip Rivers as our QB. What a shitshow.

I’m not arguing just over the Steichen quotes don’t mean anything to me at this point

[omahacolt]

He's done everything ask of him, worked hard all season, and when he was forced into action unexpectedly did a respectable job and actually showed some promise....then when it looks like he gets his chance they bring in a 44 year old that hadn't played in 5 years....but he didn't bitch or complain and instead, from what I've heard, he has been very supportive and trying to learn all he can from Rivers.

That's the kind of kid I will be rooting for, and he wouldn't be the first guy that was underestimated and proved the experts wrong. If we are eliminated Sunday I hope Riley starts in Houston.

for sure. he seems like an easy guy to root for. I hope he is an amazing player but the fact that they brought in rivers should tell you where he is as a player.


it would be awesome if he was a quality starter but I am guessing his ceiling is a quality backup. and that is fine by me. he clearly isn't ready though


all that said, this is the colts, so he may be the best QB to ever play and the colts might fuck that evaluation up

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This article was written on Monday, prior to the Colts' game against the 49ers.




Inside Philip Rivers’ Startling NFL Comeback

(By Ryan Hockensmith)

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/47379625/inside-philip-rivers-startling-nfl-comeback

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[Puck]

for sure. he seems like an easy guy to root for. I hope he is an amazing player but the fact that they brought in rivers should tell you where he is as a player.


it would be awesome if he was a quality starter but I am guessing his ceiling is a quality backup. and that is fine by me. he clearly isn't ready though


all that said, this is the colts, so he may be the best QB to ever play and the colts might fuck that evaluation up

Besides the fact that there is a very slim chance they can still make the playoffs. The FO may still be playing for their jobs. As well as some players. They need to show with competent QB play they can win with this FO

JMO. Pete

[Puck]

Click the link to listen

https://x.com/HolderStephen/status/2003941021613482194?s=20

Stephen Holder
@HolderStephen
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Dec 24
This is a great explanation of why Philip Rivers can still play at a respectable level at 44.

Relatedly, Colts OC Jim Bob Cooter said today that Philip is recognizing blitzes that even the coaches misread pre-snap. PhD level QB play.

[Racehorse]

Besides the fact that there is a very slim chance they can still make the playoffs. The FO may still be playing for their jobs. As well as some players. They need to show with competent QB play they can win with this FO

JMO. Pete

What ever happened to Pete?

[omahacolt]

What ever happened to Pete?

he left due to the sand in his vagina

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I love the annoyed expression on Uncle Phil's face any time one of his teammates fucks up ...... he's like a 39 year-old Jimmy Connors who made it to the Semi-Finals of the US Open in 1991. Connors would look at the judge incredulously after a bad call, and say, l "I'm 39 years-old working my butt off out here, and you're pulling that nonsense ??? C'mon now, man."

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[Indystu2]

Accountability. Something that this team needs.

[Hoopsdoc]

he left due to the sand in his vagina

So like GBB88. Which sucked, he was a good poster.

[Lov2fish]

So like GBB88. Which sucked, he was a good poster.

A few good posters have left cause they were soft. Some people are not cutout for this place. Most of us are castoffs from other sites, mostly by our own doing. If everyone left because someone was "Mean" to them this place would be an echo chamber with Puck pissing into a fan. I like that you will get called out for saying stupid shit here. Some people don't handle criticism well.

[Thorgrim]

A few good posters have left cause they were soft. Some people are not cutout for this place. Most of us are castoffs from other sites, mostly by our own doing. If everyone left because someone was "Mean" to them this place would be an echo chamber with Puck pissing into a fan. I like that you will get called out for saying stupid shit here. Some people don't handle criticism well.

I for one am grateful for this place because I say a lot of stupid shit.

[Hoopsdoc]

A few good posters have left cause they were soft. Some people are not cutout for this place. Most of us are castoffs from other sites, mostly by our own doing. If everyone left because someone was "Mean" to them this place would be an echo chamber with Puck pissing into a fan. I like that you will get called out for saying stupid shit here. Some people don't handle criticism well.

GoBigBlue88 left because Colts fans at Lucas Oil booed Luck when he decided to retire. And some posters here were frustrated.

I thought that was a really really lame reason to leave. And I said so at the time.

It sucked because I really like hearing his thoughts.

I assume he went to that echo chamber at colts dot com.

[Puck]

GoBigBlue88 left because Colts fans at Lucas Oil booed Luck when he decided to retire. And some posters here were frustrated.

I thought that was a really really lame reason to leave. And I said so at the time.

It sucked because I really like hearing his thoughts.

I assume he went to that echo chamber at colts dot com.

He also didn't like it when people disagreed with him. He was always right in his mind and when people didn't agree. He left. He was a good poster but he was soft minded

[apballin]

GBB was a solid poster his post game summary was always a great read

[YDFL Commish]

A few good posters have left cause they were soft. Some people are not cutout for this place. Most of us are castoffs from other sites, mostly by our own doing. If everyone left because someone was "Mean" to them this place would be an echo chamber with Puck pissing into a fan. I like that you will get called out for saying stupid shit here. Some people don't handle criticism well.

I would say that 90% of posters left because they were to thin skinned. I mean maybe some left because saying and listening to us spouting stupid shit on a Colts message board, just was not a priority in their lives.

Me, I say stupid shit. I tolerate stupid shit. I expect stupid shit...and I will call out stupid shit.

[Thorgrim]

I would say that 90% of posters left because they were to thin skinned. I mean maybe some left because saying and listening to us spouting stupid shit on a Colts message board, just was not a priority in their lives.

Me, I say stupid shit. I tolerate stupid shit. I expect stupid shit...and I will call out stupid shit.

Now that’s some stupid shit.

[omahacolt]

GoBigBlue88 left because Colts fans at Lucas Oil booed Luck when he decided to retire. And some posters here were frustrated.

I thought that was a really really lame reason to leave. And I said so at the time.

It sucked because I really like hearing his thoughts.

I assume he went to that echo chamber at colts dot com.

gbb is on Twitter. still has good takes. I like that dude

[YDFL Commish]

The only poster on this board who doesn't post stupid shit is Dammy. At least in the world according to Dammy.

[ChoppedWood]

The only poster on this board who doesn't post stupid shit is Dammy. At least in the world according to Dammy.

So good!

[Puck]

Kevin Bowen
@KBowen1070
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1h
Philip Rivers position coach his senior season in college?

Curt Cignetti.

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Like father, like son ???

Gunner Rivers has committed to daddy's alma mater, North Carolina State.




Gunner Rivers, 4-Star QB Recruit and Son of Philip Rivers, Commits to NC State

(By Carter Bahns)

https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/gunner-rivers-4-star-qb-recruit-commits-nc-state/

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