Official Colts blow the season vs. Brisketeaters Game Day Thread

[Brylok]

Due for another pick

Hope so.
And also, as an Auburn fan, I don't think I've ever said anything about him, but I'm really surprised that Bo Nix has been as good in the NFL as he has been. Never saw that coming

[Racehorse]

Hope so.
And also, as an Auburn fan, I don't think I've ever said anything about him, but I'm really surprised that Bo Nix has been as good in the NFL as he has been. Never saw that coming

Sean Payton can coach.

[ChoppedWood]

We HAVE to force a damn TO here, have to!

[Hoopsdoc]

Over at PFT Florio has already posted about the “questionable” pi call against Houston.

[CletusPyle]

Hope so.
And also, as an Auburn fan, I don't think I've ever said anything about him, but I'm really surprised that Bo Nix has been as good in the NFL as he has been. Never saw that coming

I think he is a prime example of desire and effort being as important as raw talent!

[Racehorse]

If Pratt had hands, that would be a pick 6

[Brylok]

Did Franklin make an individual play? I might need to buy a scratch off ticket

[CletusPyle]

Over at PFT Florio has already posted about the “questionable” pi call against Houston.

He should delete after that call!

[Racehorse]

Over at PFT Florio has already posted about the “questionable” pi call against Houston.

That was more questonable

[ChoppedWood]

Ohhhhh

FUCK


THIS

SHIT!!!!

[Brylok]

Sean Payton can coach.

Big time agree

[Colts And Orioles]

So, what the fuck is your point ???





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My point is that you have been complaining the entire thread about how you are sick of Steichen and his obsession for passing, and then you dance with delight about how a few days ago you said that the Colts should throw a ball down the sidelines after a success pass downfield.

You are more insufferable than Shane Steichen will ever be.

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Wow, a run, and a first down... who would have ever thought about using the games best RB to RUN THE FUCKING BALL????











Run the fucking ball fucking dumb fuck Steichen---- RUN THE FUCKING BALL!!!!!

Getting super tired of this motherfuckers obsession with throwing the ball every damn down!











Run into the fucking blitz! Damn he is so insufferable! !!!

[nate505]

Fuck these refs.

[YDFL Commish]

OMG New York definitely wa to the Texicans to win!

[TheMugwump]

Houston got two presents on one play.

[ChoppedWood]

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My point is that you have been complaining the entire thread about how you are sick of Steichen and his obsession for passing, and then you dance with delight about how a few days ago you said that the Colts should throw a ball down the sidelines after a success pass downfield.

You are more insufferable than Shane Steichen will ever be.

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You have this very weird hang up with 2 things that have no connection to one another, both being true, it is really fucking strange.

[Spike]

Refs really are garbage. Terrible! They need to fix this shit by adding an eye in the sky. Fuck Goodell!!!!

[CletusPyle]

I thought he missed the extra point, must have been a bad angle?

[Hoopsdoc]

Bitching about the refs is for losers.

Go win the game.

[Brylok]

Carebears' kick looked wide left? Probably an optical illusion

[HoosierinFL]

Can you review that?!

[YDFL Commish]

Refs really are garbage. Terrible!

They have been garbage all year...in all games.

[Hoopsdoc]

We can’t stop their offense. That’s why we’re going to lose.

Our offense has done ok.

[Hoopsdoc]

I think that was an optical illusion. Both refs called it good right away.

[CletusPyle]

Bitching about the refs is for losers.

Go win the game.

The guy fell on his ass all by himself, I'm with the fans on this one, that was garbage!

[Colts And Orioles]

Bitching about the refs is for losers.

Go win the game.





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With a few rare exceptions, bitching PERIOD is for losers.

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[nate505]

The refs just went to crap on that drive.

[Brylok]

I picked the Colts to win 4 to 7 total games this season. I can't be disappointed, but I still want to win every game

[Hoopsdoc]

That was good.

[ChoppedWood]

Wow- JT missed it- he stays inside and that is 6. Don't see that much!

[Colts And Orioles]

You have this very weird hang up with 2 things that have no connection to one another, both being true, it is really fucking strange.





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I'm sorry if I overreacted.

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[Brylok]

Run the damn ball.

[Racehorse]

Al Shaair down does not make me feel sad for him

[TheMugwump]

Al Shaair down does not make me feel sad for him

Is he the one who just rolled into Danny's leg?

If so, fuck him.

[Brylok]

We can’t stop their offense. That’s why we’re going to lose.

Our offense has done ok.

Stroud isn't even healthy. Nowhere near 100%

[Racehorse]

Is he the one who just rolled into Danny's leg?

If so, fuck him.

I think so. went for his broken leg

[Brylok]

To be fair, neither is Jones. But Jones isn't as good as Stroud

[ChoppedWood]

Holy shit- Q is right, that was a fucking obscene hands to the face--- and of course--- NOTHING----FUCK YOU REFS FUCK YOU!!!!

[Racehorse]

Downs was hit early

[Brylok]

Good job, Badgely. Keep us in it

[Hoopsdoc]

We can’t stop their offense. They’ll march down the field and score.

[Racehorse]

Holy shit- Q is right, that was a fucking obscene hands to the face--- and of course--- NOTHING----FUCK YOU REFS FUCK YOU!!!!

They are beyond biased today

[WaynesWorld87]

This is why I didn't agree going for it on 4th and 1 deep in Texans territory in the 1st quarter. We're playing a great defense. Take what points you can get. We'd only be down 20-19 right now instead of 20-16. Getting a game winning TD against this D is going to be a very tall order.

[nate505]

Missed XP looming large now. That said, it's nice to see Badgely recover

[albany ed]

Refs getting a nice payday today

[ChoppedWood]

Mooney Ward, is really really really bad at this shit...

[Hoopsdoc]

Yeah, we’re not going to stop their offense.

[Brylok]

I wrote this off as a straight up L, and spent the majority of the first parts of the game doing chores ,etc. But I'll be damned if they don't keep it entertaining and competitive.

[Colts And Orioles]

We can’t stop their offense. ...... they’ll march down the field, and score.





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The Colts' defense has stopped them 4 times for far today with 2 Punts, 1 INT, and 1 Turnover on Downs ...... the Colts' defense has been keeping the team in the game more than the Colts' offense has.

The Texans may march down the field and score now, but the defense has done a reasonably good job so far today.

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[Racehorse]

This is why I didn't agree going for it on 4th and 1 deep in Texans territory in the 1st quarter. We're playing a great defense. Take what points you can get. We'd only be down 20-19 right now instead of 20-16. Getting a game winning TD against this D is going to be a very tall order.

We got a TD off a turnover right after that

[nate505]

The Texans can get into FG range at will.

Most weeks this wasn't a huge issue since the Colts could score TDs at will. Unfortunately, the last couple of weeks has happened.

[CletusPyle]

They score a TD here and this one is over!

[Racehorse]

Need a Tunover

[Brylok]

We really miss Buckner. My man. When is he back, if ever this season?

[nate505]

Holy fuck, they stopped them!!!!

[Racehorse]

Huge stops!!!

[ChoppedWood]

What in the fuck- it wasn't even close on that 2nd play, and we have to replay it??? WHAT IS THIS SCAM SHIT????

[nate505]

Get a fucking TD now. Defense did their job.

[Racehorse]

Turn this into 7 as the clock expires

[ChoppedWood]

Okay, this would be the moment for JT to put these motherfuckers to sleep. He's been seeing some daylight, this is when he is always the horse, late in the 4th, dudes tired.... RUN THE FUCKING BALL!!!!!!!!!

[CletusPyle]

This will be up to New York....how do you think this will work out for us?

[Colts And Orioles]

We really miss Buckner ...... my man ...... when is he back, if ever this season ???





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Because of the fact that he was placed on IR, the earliest that he can come back is in the 14th game of the season against the Seahawks.

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[YDFL Commish]

Say what you will about this Colts defense...but they played with a lot of heart!

[CletusPyle]

Can't the Texans still challenge the mark...I'll be shocked if they don't ask New York to take care of this for them!

[Thorgrim]

4 down territory the rest of the way

[Colts And Orioles]

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The Colts' defense has stopped them 4 times for far today with 2 Punts, 1 INT, and 1 Turnover on Downs ...... the Colts' defense has been keeping the team in the game more than the Colts' offense has.

The Texans may march down the field and score now, but the defense has done a reasonably good job so far today.

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After that 4th-down stop deep in their own territory, the Colts' defense has done more than reasonably good ...... in my rat's ass of an opinion, of course.

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[nate505]

Good start for Taylor.

[Brylok]

LOS just looks lame, WASPy, and corporate in there. The RCA Dome had real fans. LOUD. Most of them got priced out

[nate505]

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After that 4th-down stop deep in their own territory, the Colts' defense has done more than reasonably good ...... in my rat's ass of an opinion, of course.

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No big complaints about the Colts defense. They are designed to give up FGs in general.

[Racehorse]

Good start for Taylor.

Need to throw to keep the defense honest

[Thorgrim]

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After that 4th-down stop deep in their own territory, the Colts' defense has done more than reasonably good ...... in my rat's ass of an opinion, of course.

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Agreed. This is all about clock management and playcalling now. The O needs to check itself.

[nate505]

Need to throw to keep the defense honest

And there you go :D

[bigalbert]

Dang
This is exciting boyz

[TheMugwump]

Pierce has been a beast today.

[ChoppedWood]

Facemask???

WTF!!!

[nate505]

These refs fucking suck

[Racehorse]

Facemask???

WTF!!!

Never called to help us, only to hurt us

[YDFL Commish]

Are we going to catch a break. Ever call fucks us

[WaynesWorld87]

If the RB is coming out of the pile having to heavily readjust his helmet and facemask, it MIGHT be because a defender got a big handful of facemask. But hey, what do I know?

[CletusPyle]

These refs fucking suck

I have a feeling they are doing their "job" as ordered!

[TheMugwump]

I have to agree with earlier, JJ Watt does not play favorites and calls it like he sees it.

Good for him.

And his hair looks great.

[Colts And Orioles]

Agreed ...... this is all about clock-management and play-calling now. The O needs to check itself.





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If the game were tied, I would agree with the clock-management part ..... but because of the fact that the Colts are losing, the Colts need to get into the end-zone as soon as possible, regardless of the amount of time that they leave on the clock.

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[bigalbert]

I’m still pissed about that pass interference on 3rd down that kept the Texans TD drive alive. I mean that might have been the worst call in all of the NFL this year

[Brylok]

I actually like Jones. He's capable, tough, takes hits and has mobility. Sure, his leg is broken, but he's hanging in there.

[TheMugwump]

I actually like Jones. He's capable, tough, takes hits and has mobility. Sure, his leg is broken, but he's hanging in there.

Agree. And with his play recently, he should come back, but not at a bank-breaking deal.

[Brylok]

How was that not a facemask? Other than the NFL wants Houston to win.

[nate505]

Fucking hell....thankfully it was incomplete. But I can't believe Downs missed that...and slipped.

[CletusPyle]

I actually like Jones. He's capable, tough, takes hits and has mobility. Sure, his leg is broken, but he's hanging in there.

I hope you still feel the same way at the end of this drive!

[nate505]

Sigh...you could feel that incompletion coming a mile away.

[Hoopsdoc]

That’s ballgame.

[Brylok]

Agree. And with his play recently, he should come back, but not at a bank-breaking deal.

I agree with that, but it's not my money. I'll follow whatever Carlie decides to do.

[ChoppedWood]

This game has been one of the biggest travesty rigged ass bullshit Roger Goodell specials I have ever seen, and there have been a FUCKING ton of them!

[Racehorse]

Where's Jerome Bettis when you need him?

[ChoppedWood]

Oh, and fuck the dude that destroyed Schrader's leg earlier this year, fuck that dude good and fucking hard!

[Hoopsdoc]

I knew we weren’t winning this game.

It played out about the way I thought it would.

We’re in real danger of missing the playoffs altogether now.

[Colts And Orioles]

Fucking hell ...... thankfully it was incomplete, but I can't believe that Downs missed that ...... and slipped.





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He missed it because he broke the Cardinal rule of pass-receiving ...... he was thinking about getting additional yardage instead of first-and-foremost securing the catch, which would have been at least a 7-yard gain.

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[Hoopsdoc]

This game has been one of the biggest travesty rigged ass bullshit Roger Goodell specials I have ever seen, and there have been a FUCKING ton of them!

Nah, we just didn’t make the plays.

The Texans aren’t that good. We just aren’t quite as good as they are.

[CletusPyle]

Why did Downs slip like that, I think he would have gotten the first down! Should have kicked the FG and tried to get a stop and get the ball back!

[Brylok]

I hope you still feel the same way at the end of this drive!

I predicted an outright loss so bad I was doing chores most of the first half. I'm good.

[WaynesWorld87]

And the collapse continues. Fuck. Missed XP + iffy defense + suspect missed calls and one huge bad call (on us) by the refs in crucial moments = another loss.

Now tied for first with the Jags and only one game up on the Texans with 3 games left against the two teams.

[Butter]

How many facemasks are these Bozos going to miss

[Brylok]

Where's Jerome Bettis when you need him?

Probably finishing up the rest of the Thanksgiving leftovers with his big ass.

[bigalbert]

1st loss at home this year
Jags next week
The scary part of the whole equation is we could miss the playoffs after starting 7-1

[Hoopsdoc]

lol. Fitting end.

[nate505]

Un fucking real. How in the hell are you not selling out for the run like this. Inexcusable.

[ChoppedWood]

It sucks sooooooo fucking bad we went so hard after it in the secondary, and we have NOTHING to show for it and the guys that weren't pick ups, are just not any good at football at all. We are pretty well fucked.

[YDFL Commish]

Blackmon fucking sucks!

[CletusPyle]

That's it! Colts were fool's gold, we won't make the playoffs!

[Hoopsdoc]

1st loss at home this year
Jags next week
The scary part of the whole equation is we could miss the playoffs after starting 7-1

Oh, we’re missing the playoffs. Unless we win in either Jacksonville or Houston, which I don’t think we’re capable of doing.

The only upside here is maybe we don’t give Jones a huge contract, which I think would be a mistake.

[Brylok]

Need a defensive TD for the win

[Colts And Orioles]

Why did Downs slip like that ??? I think that he would have gotten the 1st down !!! We should have kicked the FG, and tried to get a stop and get the ball back !!!





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He slipped because the ball was slightly underthrown, and he had to come back a little bit for it ...... and then he dropped the ball because he was so conscientious about getting the 2 additional yards that were needed for a 1st down, he dropped the ball while trying to get them ...... if he had just secured the catch by going to the ground, it would have been 4-and-2 instead of the 4th-and-9 that it was.

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[Hoopsdoc]

About what I expected.

This team feasted on bad opponents early. They dont have what it takes.

[Thorgrim]

What a disappointment. Time for the rum. See yall next week.

[Brylok]

Hey, we're much better than I thought we'd be,.our QB has a broken leg, and we're still competitive/entertaining. And I'm not spending any money on it.
On to next week. We'll beat the glitter kitties.

[Brylok]

About what I expected.

This team feasted on bad opponents early. They dont have what it takes.

Don't join that crew. Good lord.

[Colts And Orioles]

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(THE COLTS' DEFENSE)



FG


PUNT


PUNT


INT


TD


Turnover on Downs


FG


TD


Turnover on Downs


Clock Ran Out

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[Brylok]

America is doomed. The Colts are not. Have some faith in the future.

[Brylok]

And I'm off to the RedZone stream.
🏴*☠️ Arghhh
Have a good rest of your day, everyone.

[CletusPyle]

I doubt we win another game.....that first round we gave up next year won't be a 20+ pick, more like #15 which would be a really good player!

[CletusPyle]

America is doomed. The Colts are not. Have some faith in the future.

I think it is the other way around!

[Colts And Orioles]

America is doomed. The Colts are not. Have some faith in the future.





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I agree.

The Colts are still 8-4, and 3 of those losses went right down to the wire.

Losing 3-out-of-4 games will cause many fans to panic and/or declare the season dead, but that is not necessarily the reality of the situation.

The Colts may or may not fold down the stretch, but I don't think that it's a foregone conclusion ...... especially since this team has only had one really bad game so far this season, against the Steelers. They have had 2 or 3 slightly sub-par games (including the win over the Cardinals), but only one really bad one.

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[Hoopsdoc]

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I agree.

The Colts are still 8-4, and 3 of those losses went right down to the wire.

Losing 3-out-of-4 games will cause many fans to panic and/or declare the season dead, but that is not necessarily the reality of the situation.

The Colts may or may not fold down the stretch, but I don't think that it's a foregone conclusion ...... especially since this team has only had one really bad game so far this season, against the Steelers. They have had 2 or 3 slightly sub-par games (including the win over the Cardinals), but only one really bad one.

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They’re at Jax and Seattle in the next two games. Neither of which they are likely to win. That would put them at 8-6 and probably behind or tied with both Houston and Jacksonville.

Houston plays KC and the Raiders the next two weeks. If they go 1-1 they’ll be tied with us but ahead with the tiebreaker. Jacksonville plays us at home next week and the Jets at home the week after. We haven’t won in Jacksonville in like 10 years. If they win both of those, they’ll be 10-4 and a full 2 games ahead, with the tiebreaker against us.

They DESPERATELY needed to win today on their home field and they didn’t.

I honestly don’t think they make the playoffs now. This was an absolutely DEVASTATING loss.

[CletusPyle]

They’re at Jax and Seattle in the next two games. Neither of which they are likely to win. That would put them at 8-6 and probably behind or tied with both Houston and Jacksonville.

Houston plays KC and the Raiders the next two weeks. If they go 1-1 they’ll be tied with us but ahead with the tiebreaker. Jacksonville plays us at home next week and the Jets at home the week after. We haven’t won in Jacksonville in like 10 years. If they win both of those, they’ll be 10-4 and a full 2 games ahead, with the tiebreaker against us.

They DESPERATELY needed to win today on their home field and they didn’t.

I honestly don’t think they make the playoffs now. This was an absolutely DEVASTATING loss.

I agree, I really have my doubts they win another game.

[albany ed]

The last two games, the defense has given up 20 points each time. I would expect to win a game where you held the opposition to 20 points. The defense hasn't been great, but not bad. The problem has been the offense. Apparently, whatever was working for DJ early, has been solved by opposing defenses. It's time for him and Steichen to adjust.

[Colts And Orioles]

They’re at Jax and Seattle in the next two games. Neither of which they are likely to win. That would put them at 8-6 and probably behind or tied with both Houston and Jacksonville.

Houston plays KC and the Raiders the next two weeks. If they go 1-1 they’ll be tied with us but ahead with the tiebreaker. Jacksonville plays us at home next week and the Jets at home the week after. We haven’t won in Jacksonville in like 10 years. If they win both of those, they’ll be 10-4 and a full 2 games ahead, with the tiebreaker against us.

They DESPERATELY needed to win today on their home field and they didn’t.

I honestly don’t think they make the playoffs now. This was an absolutely DEVASTATING loss.




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You're assuming 2 losses against teams that are good, but far from unbeatable (the Jaguars and the Seahawks.) I'm not assuming that, and I don't think that that's a crazy non-assumption.

And while the Colts have not won in Jacksonville since Herbert Hoover was the President of the country, they also won their Opening Day game for the first time since the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962 ...... so far, this Colts team has shown to be better than the mediocre ones of recent past over the course of the first 12 games of this season.

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[DragonTails]

Extra point miss was painful. Losing our kicker was big.

Seems we're missing a few play calls with Jones injury that existed earlier in the season. He might be playing scared in the pocket, too.

We still have a 74% chance of making the playoffs but the excitement it gone.

Just made a big cash out on fan duel after the last 2 weeks. That makes me feel a little better.

2 weeks ago, Phily and Indy were #1 seeds. lol

[Hoopsdoc]

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You're assuming 2 losses against teams that are good, but far from unbeatable (the Jaguars and the Seahawks.) I'm not assuming that, and I don't think that that's a crazy non-assumption.

And while the Colts have not won in Jacksonville since Herbert Hoover was the President of the country, they also won their Opening Day game for the first time since the Cuban Missile Crisis of 1962 ...... so far, this Colts team has shown to be better than the mediocre ones of recent past over the course of the first 12 games of this season.

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They’ll be solid underdogs in both games. Of course it’s not a foregone conclusion that they’ll lose both but if I was a betting man, I’d bet on that happening.

Bottom line is, there’s no way to understate how much this loss today hurt.

They’re in real danger of missing the playoffs entirely now.

[IndyNorm]

They’re at Jax and Seattle in the next two games. Neither of which they are likely to win. That would put them at 8-6 and probably behind or tied with both Houston and Jacksonville.

Houston plays KC and the Raiders the next two weeks. If they go 1-1 they’ll be tied with us but ahead with the tiebreaker. Jacksonville plays us at home next week and the Jets at home the week after. We haven’t won in Jacksonville in like 10 years. If they win both of those, they’ll be 10-4 and a full 2 games ahead, with the tiebreaker against us.

They DESPERATELY needed to win today on their home field and they didn’t.

I honestly don’t think they make the playoffs now. This was an absolutely DEVASTATING loss.

Unfortunately you're probably right. It might not be time to hit the panic button, but we very well could be looking at a late season collapse. With the schedule only getting tougher from here on out we're going to have to do a 180 from how we've been playing over the past month, and I don't think we have it in us.

[Oldcolt]

To me this was the second game in a row where we needed desperately for our QB to elevate his play. Jones, while he works like a dog and is physically as tough as nails, is completely incapable of doing this. He is mediocre against anything but shit teams. Gonna be tough/impossible to win big with this kind of QB play.

[ChoppedWood]

The last two games, the defense has given up 20 points each time. I would expect to win a game where you held the opposition to 20 points. The defense hasn't been great, but not bad. The problem has been the offense. Apparently, whatever was working for DJ early, has been solved by opposing defenses. It's time for him and Steichen to adjust.

I have not really dropped my opinion of DJ so much. Today he played quite well, with some really great throws. There were some very key drops by Downs and at the end by Pittman on balls that simply need to be caught. I thought he threw with confidence and he avoided the disastrous strip sacks despite his injured leg. I think when healthy he is fine at the position.

The team however, has really fallen off. There remains a MASSIVE inability to get to the QB. Time and time after time and more time than that, the QB is sitting in a very clean pocket and just waiting for someone to clear- they are consistently getting 2 & 3 reads deep without feeling pressure. Ward, to me, looks washed and with Sauce appearing to be out, this defense is going to be abused in these final few games.

[Hoopsdoc]

I have not really dropped my opinion of DJ so much. Today he played quite well, with some really great throws. There were some very key drops by Downs and at the end by Pittman on balls that simply need to be caught. I thought he threw with confidence and he avoided the disastrous strip sacks despite his injured leg. I think when healthy he is fine at the position.

The team however, has really fallen off. There remains a MASSIVE inability to get to the QB. Time and time after time and more time than that, the QB is sitting in a very clean pocket and just waiting for someone to clear- they are consistently getting 2 & 3 reads deep without feeling pressure. Ward, to me, looks washed and with Sauce appearing to be out, this defense is going to be abused in these final few games.

The loss of Buckner has been huge as well.

[ChoppedWood]

The loss of Buckner has been huge as well.
Oh so true. The middle of the pocket is like a perfectly formed half circle to step into with comfort right now which just sucks!

[Oldcolt]

I agree he made some nice throws and played ok. He will always make some nice throws and play ok and we will continue to be a .500ish team. When the game is on the line, when you need that drive to take the lead there are some QBs you have confidence will find a way, find the will to make that drive and win. Jones, in my opinion, will never be that QB. Unfortunately, we will be playing QBs that can and will do that if we ever want to go deep into the playoffs. While he may not be the problem, he isn't the answer either.

[Racehorse]

I agree he made some nice throws and played ok. He will always make some nice throws and play ok and we will continue to be a .500ish team. When the game is on the line, when you need that drive to take the lead there are some QBs you have confidence will find a way, find the will to make that drive and win. Jones, in my opinion, will never be that QB. Unfortunately, we will be playing QBs that can and will do that if we ever want to go deep into the playoffs. While he may not be the problem, he isn't the answer either.

If he had two good legs, I think he could have. However, a lot of his options went out the window with his mobility. I wonder when AR will be off the IR.

[Oldcolt]

If he had two good legs, I think he could have. However, a lot of his options went out the window with his mobility. I wonder when AR will be off the IR.

I would tend to agree, however we have 6 years of history that says this is who he is, a decent QB who can't elevate when you need it You can probably win with him but most likely not because of him.

[albany ed]

I like DJ, he's pretty good. Not elite like some here have rated him, but he's not really the problem. He's not really the solution either. I said this several weeks ago. Don't sign him to a long term contract. Not yet. Franchise him and make him prove he's worth the risk. I've heard it said that this is the time of the year to seperate the contenders from the pretenders. Which one will the Colts be?

[Discflinger]

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With a few rare exceptions, bitching PERIOD is for losers.

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Just for the other three threads...

[Discflinger]

Waiting on news for both Sauce and 99, but let's go boys!

[Colts And Orioles]

I would tend to agree, however we have 6 years of history that says this is who he is, a decent QB who can't elevate when you need it You can probably win with him but most likely not because of him.





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Jim Plunkett was thought of as a "loser" after 7 seasons of futility while QB-ing bad teams on the New England Patriots and the San Francisco 49ers from 1971 through 1977. After being out of football for 2 seasons, he came back with the Raiders and resurrected his career behind one of the best offensive lines in the history of professional football. He won a Super Bowl in 1980, won another Super Bowl in 1983, and led the Raiders to an 8-1 record in 1982 before they were upset by the Jets in the 2nd round of the playoffs.

Plunkett's record as a starter with the Patriots and the 49ers between 1971 and 1977 was 34-53.

Plunkett's record as a starter with the Raiders between 1980 and 1984 was 34-12.


Archie Manning was a quarterback who was highly criticized as an underachiever during his playing days because of his team's futility when he was a starting QB between 1971 and 1981 ...... but historians now realize that those critiques of Manning, who played on terrible teams with awful offensive lines and very bad defenses, were inaccurate. If Archie Manning had been playing for the Steelers or the Raiders throughout the 1970's instead of the New Orleans Saints, he very likely would have had as much success as Terry Bradshaw, Darryl Lamonica, and Ken Stabler did when they were taking snaps behind the center for those respective teams ...... and you can take it to the bank that Terry Bradshaw and Ken Stabler would not be in the Hall-of-Fame today if they had been playing for the New Orleans Saints in those days.


The Colts were 8-2 this season before Daniel Jones hurt his leg, and he was ranked #4 in the NFL in passer rating at that point. They lost their last 2 games by a very close margin while his mobility, which is a big part of his game for exponential reasons, was severely hampered. Saying that Jones is who he is based on his 6 seasons playing with bad New York Giants teams is as faulty as saying that Jim Plunket was an underachieving loser for 7 seasons while playing for the Patriots and the 49ers before he was scooped up and given a new lease on life by the Raiders.

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[Hoopsdoc]

I like DJ, he's pretty good. Not elite like some here have rated him, but he's not really the problem. He's not really the solution either. I said this several weeks ago. Don't sign him to a long term contract. Not yet. Franchise him and make him prove he's worth the risk. I've heard it said that this is the time of the year to seperate the contenders from the pretenders. Which one will the Colts be?

I don’t think Jones is necessarily the problem but I also don’t think he’s the solution either, if that makes sense.

He is surrounded with elite talent at pretty much every position, yet he still seems very shaky a lot of the time.

Just imagine what Mahomes would do with that OLine, JT at running back, and that collection of receivers.

He’d probably go undefeated.

In my opinion, Jones holds this offense back as much as he adds to it, especially now that he can’t move.

Our problem is that we’re grading him against the last two years of Anthony Richardson, which would make anyone look good.

[YDFL Commish]

I agree he made some nice throws and played ok. He will always make some nice throws and play ok and we will continue to be a .500ish team. When the game is on the line, when you need that drive to take the lead there are some QBs you have confidence will find a way, find the will to make that drive and win. Jones, in my opinion, will never be that QB. Unfortunately, we will be playing QBs that can and will do that if we ever want to go deep into the playoffs. While he may not be the problem, he isn't the answer either.

He did it against Atlanta.

[CletusPyle]

I agree he made some nice throws and played ok. He will always make some nice throws and play ok and we will continue to be a .500ish team. When the game is on the line, when you need that drive to take the lead there are some QBs you have confidence will find a way, find the will to make that drive and win. Jones, in my opinion, will never be that QB. Unfortunately, we will be playing QBs that can and will do that if we ever want to go deep into the playoffs. While he may not be the problem, he isn't the answer either.

Unfortunately when we had the #4 pick, there was only one really good choice. Hindsight is 2020 but letting the Texans get the second pick ahead of us and also grab Will Anderson and sticking us with AR has put us where we are today. Now we have to go with Jones for at least 2 more seasons unless we take a chance on a second round QB and get lucky. Texans got the better coach too, they have basically been making better decisions at the top and getting better outcomes as a result!

[Hoopsdoc]

Unfortunately when we had the #4 pick, there was only one really good choice. Hindsight is 2020 but letting the Texans get the second pick ahead of us and also grab Will Anderson and sticking us with AR has put us where we are today. Now we have to go with Jones for at least 2 more seasons unless we take a chance on a second round QB and get lucky. Texans got the better coach too, they have basically been making better decisions at the top and getting better outcomes as a result!

We weren’t taking Will Anderson anyway so the Texans jumping in front of us had no bearing on what we did.

Ballard was always gonna take AR there. He said as much. How relieved he was that it was Houston who traded up. He was afraid someone was gonna jump up and take AR.

[CletusPyle]

We weren’t taking Will Anderson anyway so the Texans jumping in front of us had no bearing on what we did.

Ballard was always gonna take AR there. He said as much. How relieved he was that it was Houston who traded up. He was afraid someone was gonna jump up and take AR.

That wasn't my point....my point was that Houston already had one pick ahead of us, and by letting them have 2 picks ahead they got the best QB and the best Defensive player in the draft. I'll take their GM over ours any day! If their GM had taken AR and left us Stroud everyone would be calling him an idiot!

[Oldcolt]

Ballard is brilliant in evaluating a ton of positions. Unfortunately for us, QB and pass rusher don't happen to be two of them

[Hoopsdoc]

That wasn't my point....my point was that Houston already had one pick ahead of us, and by letting them have 2 picks ahead they got the best QB and the best Defensive player in the draft. I'll take their GM over ours any day! If their GM had taken AR and left us Stroud everyone would be calling him an idiot!

How was Ballard supposed to stop Houston from trading up? Are you saying he should have traded up?

Even if he did, he was still gonna take AR.

I guess I don’t understand what you’re saying.

[CletusPyle]

How was Ballard supposed to stop Houston from trading up? Are you saying he should have traded up?

Even if he did, he was still gonna take AR.

I guess I don’t understand what you’re saying.

Yes he should have traded up and taken Stroud. I don't care what he says nobody would have been stupid enough to take AR over Stroud if they had the choice. I'm not sure when he said that he would take AR no matter what, if it was before the draft maybe he was hoping Houston would be influenced by it, if after the draft what do you expect him to say, "they got the guy we wanted so we settled for Richardson"?

Reich was a true idiot taking Bryce Young over Stroud but that is at least turning out to be a decent draft pick. Why do you guys keep making excuses for Ballard, now he has traded our future away on an another player that can't stay healthy....I don't get it, Houston out maneuvered him in the draft and in coaches and we will be paying for it for years to come.

[Discflinger]

Always a C&O lover. I was only pointing to the many threads which we may read.

[Hoopsdoc]

Yes he should have traded up and taken Stroud. I don't care what he says nobody would have been stupid enough to take AR over Stroud if they had the choice. I'm not sure when he said that he would take AR no matter what, if it was before the draft maybe he was hoping Houston would be influenced by it, if after the draft what do you expect him to say, "they got the guy we wanted so we settled for Richardson"?

Reich was a true idiot taking Bryce Young over Stroud but that is at least turning out to be a decent draft pick. Why do you guys keep making excuses for Ballard, now he has traded our future away on an another player that can't stay healthy....I don't get it, Houston out maneuvered him in the draft and in coaches and we will be paying for it for years to come.

Ahh, yeah, in a vacuum, taking Stroud over AR was a no brainer.

However, Houston had the 2nd pick. There was no way they were gonna pass on taking what they believed was a franchise quarterback by trading that pick to a division rival. That was never gonna happen, and if it did, it would have cost so much that it wouldn’t have been worth it.

Especially since, as it turns out, Stroud isn’t really a franchise quarterback. He’ll, they played just as well with Davis Mills.

I’ve seen this argument before, that Ballard should have given whatever it took to get Stroud. But this isn’t Madden. Houston was never gonna trade that pick. And neither was Carolina gonna trade the first pick, considering they traded into that spot.

[Discflinger]

Also, I won in 06 !!!!!

[Discflinger]

That was ME!

[Colts And Orioles]

Ahh, yeah, in a vacuum, taking Stroud over AR was a no brainer.

However, Houston had the 2nd pick. There was no way they were going to pass on taking what they believed was a franchise quarterback by trading that pick to a division rival. That was never going to happen, and if it did, it would have cost so much that it wouldn’t have been worth it.

Especially since, as it turns out, Stroud isn’t really a franchise quarterback. He’ll, they played just as well with Davis Mills.

I’ve seen this argument before, that Ballard should have given whatever it took to get Stroud. But this isn’t Madden. Houston was never going to trade that pick. And neither was Carolina going to trade the first pick, considering the fact that they traded into that spot.





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Correct ...... for those who think that the Colts paid a high price in terms of mortgaging their future in the trade for Sauce Gardner, then in order to have acquired the rights to CJ Stroud from a division rival, the Colts may have had to put up a sign in front of Lucas Oil Stadium reading "We may not be open for business between about 2028 and 2033 if CJ Stroud isn't the next Dan Marino or John Elway."

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[Hoopsdoc]

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Correct ...... for those who think that the Colts paid a high price in terms of mortgaging their future in the trade for Sauce Gardner, then in order to have acquired the rights to CJ Stroud from a division rival, the Colts may have had to put up a sign in front of Lucas Oil Stadium reading "We may not be open for business between about 2028 and 2033 if CJ Stroud isn't the next Dan Marino or John Elway."

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I think it was Dammy who says the trade could have happened if the Colts offered enough. Well sure, but what exactly would that offer have been. It would have had to have been the Herschel Walker and Ricky Williams trade combined. Something insane like every pick in the next two drafts plus players.

It wouldn’t have been worth it.

[CletusPyle]

Ahh, yeah, in a vacuum, taking Stroud over AR was a no brainer.

However, Houston had the 2nd pick. There was no way they were gonna pass on taking what they believed was a franchise quarterback by trading that pick to a division rival. That was never gonna happen, and if it did, it would have cost so much that it wouldn’t have been worth it.

Especially since, as it turns out, Stroud isn’t really a franchise quarterback. He’ll, they played just as well with Davis Mills.

I’ve seen this argument before, that Ballard should have given whatever it took to get Stroud. But this isn’t Madden. Houston was never gonna trade that pick. And neither was Carolina gonna trade the first pick, considering they traded into that spot.

I don't want to argue, but we could have made the Bears a better offer and we would have if Ballard would have accessed Stroud as better than AR, also there is a very good chance that if Houston would have feared we were trying to trade up for #1 they would have traded up and gave up the #3. As I said in the beginning hindsight is 20/20 but if you make $millions and manage a billion dollar franchise you need to make better choices and not get out maneuvered time after time by your main competitor. Teflon Chris has fucked up this franchise, granted he had a lot of help doing it!

By the way it cost Carolina 2 first 2 second and a receiver.....we just gave up 2 first and a receiver for a corner back that has looked injured from the first game!

[Discflinger]

My first game was Marino owning us in 91.

[Discflinger]

I do remember the tuba!!!

[apballin]

No way Jones finishes this season, maybe not this game, he is already limping!

We all could see he was laboring for weeks and it greatly affected the offense.

As stated above ^^^^