Colts name Daniel Jones the QB1

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

https://x.com/TomPelissero/status/1957816182691520678

The Colts are naming Daniel Jones their starting quarterback, per sources.

After a training camp competition with Anthony Richardson, Jones — the former Giants starter — gets the ball Week 1 vs. Miami.

https://x.com/TomPelissero/status/1957816456139120757

Coach Shane Steichen informed the quarterbacks this morning of his decision.

[Hoopsdoc]

Well, that’s most likely the end of the AR experience in Indy.

I had a feeling this would be the result. I think Steichen is done with AR and has been since last year.

[Hoopsdoc]

I think Steichen believes he can coach around Jones shortcomings.

I see another 5-7 win season, a whole new regime next year, and still no answer at quarterback.

Good Lord this sucks.

[Racehorse]

My guess is that they think AR needs another year to develop, and Jones gives him the best chance at success this year. It scares me to think of Daniel Jones as our quarterback at the future.

[rm1369]

It’s a continuation of the stupidity of the Ballard regime. It cannot be over quick enough.

[nate505]

Such a dumb move. Oh well, so it goes.

[Oldcolt]

Playing for mediocrity is in the blood of this organization. Don't think I can stomach watching this again. So I guess a really exceptional season is sneaking into the playoffs and one and done again. I am not sure how any of these players can possibly get pumped for this season. What a shit show. Is there a more poorly run team?

[CletusPyle]

I am surprised, I thought Jones was better in preseason but not by a wide margin. I wonder if AR has any trade value?

[CletusPyle]

Playing for mediocrity is in the blood of this organization. Don't think I can stomach watching this again. So I guess a really exceptional season is sneaking into the playoffs and one and done again. I am not sure how any of these players can possibly get pumped for this season. What a shit show. Is there a more poorly run team?

At least at this point, no male cheerleaders!:D

[Spike]

The current regime is scared, as they should be. This decision makes me ill. AR gives me a lot more hope than that mediocre hack DJ. AR is just a more exciting player with massive potential. Suck it up cowards, and give AR one more year. Yep, another wasted year from Ballard and company.

[Mr. Session]

The current regime is scared, as they should be. This decision makes me ill. AR gives me a lot more hope than that mediocre hack DJ. AR is just a more exciting player with massive potential. Suck it up cowards, and give AR one more year. Yep, another wasted year from Ballard and company.

If it's going to burn, let the mother fucker burn.

[Dewey 5]

This more than likely will be the end for Steichen & Dipshit Ballard.

[rm1369]

I am surprised, I thought Jones was better in preseason but not by a wide margin. I wonder if AR has any trade value?

Not enough to take the risk. I’d rather keep him into next year and let him battle it out under a new coach and GM. The cynical part of me says it’s an attempt by Ballard and Steichen to get another year. Telling ownership AR was always a long term play and he should sit and watch this year.

It’s likely just me being dumbfounded that they believe they can save their jobs with DJ. Believing AR is a known failure but DJ has some untapped potential is just ludicrous to me.

[Mr. Session]

Shane's press conference was a real cringefest.

If the seat aint hot because of Carly it'll be hot from the fanbase/media.

You reap what you fucking sow.

[HoosierinFL]

The current regime is scared, as they should be. This decision makes me ill. AR gives me a lot more hope than that mediocre hack DJ. AR is just a more exciting player with massive potential. Suck it up cowards, and give AR one more year. Yep, another wasted year from Ballard and company.

That is exactly right, this is a decision rooted in being scared shitless.

And it will play out as such as decision. I guarantee right now we will win fewer games this year than last. 7 wins is the ceiling, 5-6 more likely. 0-4 start incoming too.

[albany ed]

I think this team will/would fail regardless of which clown won the starting job. I would prefer AR only because his huge ups and his bottomless downs would at least make for better entertainment. And let's face it if you're gonna lose, (and they will lose often) better to go down in a blaze than a whisp of smoke.

jmo

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Well, that’s most likely the end of the AR experience in Indy.

I had a feeling this would be the result. I think Steichen is done with AR and has been since last year.


I have my doubts if Jones can last an entire season without being injured. He has had his fair share of injuries over the years - torn ACL, a couple of neck injuries, various hamstring and ankle injuries, etc.

I would bet that someone else will start games at QB1 for the Colts this year besides Jones.

[Hoopsdoc]

That is exactly right, this is a decision rooted in being scared shitless.

And it will play out as such as decision. I guarantee right now we will win fewer games this year than last. 7 wins is the ceiling, 5-6 more likely. 0-4 start incoming too.

The less they win, the better. I’d rather they win 2 games than 8 again.

At least then, they’d have their pick of quarterbacks.

But that’s not going to happen. They’ll win 6-9 games, miss the playoffs again, and we’ll be right back here in this same situation next season.

It’s just SO frustrating.

[Hoopsdoc]

I wonder what role, if any, Jim’s death played into this.

I know Jim was a big believer in AR. I’m guessing Carlie isn’t as much.

[ChaosTheory]

Step 1 in mimicking Vikings reddit for the past year is going well. Suicide watch was pretty heavy for them in August, too.

[Brylok]

I just saw this news and I haven't read the thread yet but, yeah, I'm not very high on Ballard or Steichen anymore. I'm expecting 7-10 and probably a house cleaning at the end of the season. Not just because of this decision, it's been accumulating for a while now. We shall see.

[nate505]

I'm going to try to have some optimism and hope DJ does well... But fuck me if it's real hard to do so. This is such a deflating way to start the year.

[Colts And Orioles]

Well, that’s most likely the end of the AR experience in Indianapolis.

I had a feeling this would be the result. I think Steichen is done with AR and has been since last year.





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Aaron Rodgers' first season with the Jets ended after 4 plays ........ football such a rough sport that an occurrence such as that is not unusual.

This may be the end of Anthony Richardson's experience in Indianapolis, but I wouldn't bank on it.

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[Brylok]

Any chance we can trade AR for like a 3rd or 4th round pick? Maybe Seattle might want him? Have him sit behind Geno for a while? Just spitballin' here.

[BCN#1]

Wow.... simply wow. The amazing fixation on staying mediocre and not rolling the dice is now sadly confirmed. I only hope that I am way off base and wrong here. Happy to have my plate of crow with some extra salt if needed.

[Hoopsdoc]

Any chance we can trade AR for like a 3rd or 4th round pick? Maybe Seattle might want him? Have him sit behind Geno for a while? Just spitballin' here.

Trade him to Cleveland for Shedueur or Gabriel.

And I’m only half kidding when I say that.

[Dam8610]

Any chance we can trade AR for like a 3rd or 4th round pick? Maybe Seattle might want him? Have him sit behind Geno for a while? Just spitballin' here.

Geno is in Oakland. I wouldn't trade AR. He's 23, and no one is going to give you anything close to what you invested in him. Give him time, let him learn. It seems like that's what the Colts are finally doing, 2 years too late.

[Brylok]

Trade him to Cleveland for Shedueur or Gabriel.

And I’m only half kidding when I say that.

Don't want anything to do with Shedueur. Getting him means getting Deion, and Deion is an ass and hates the Colts. I don't know anything about Gabriel.

[Brylok]

Geno is in Oakland.

Ah. I haven't been paying much attention recently.

[apballin]

I don’t get all the hate on Jones, just like I’m baffled by Colts fans love affair with AR. Jones gives the team the best chance to win now. AR can’t even protect himself out there.

I’m excited about this season, in my opinion this decision took balls of steel from Steichen, he knows who the fans wanted in there yet he walked in there and said Jones is the starter for the season. He’s confident in Jones and if this team comes out winning fans will jump back on the bandwagon real quick

[ChoppedWood]

Exactly as I predicted. Steichen is a coward, second only behind the cowardice that is Chris BullShit Ballard.

Think through this, it is INSANE to bench AR and retain Chris Ballard, insane. This is a reflection of just how fucking inept at this shit that fucking tool is.

14th QB of his tenure, 14th FUCKING QB!

Do I think AR is the messiah, no, do I think he would play the whole season, nope. Do I think he can get us to the playoffs---- ahhhh maybe? Not even pissed that it is Jones over AR, pissed that we are going to start the season with a QB who had a 47.5 QB rating last year with a guy that is only going into his 3rd year as the 4th pick riding the pine because he can't play the damn game of football well- and the fucking shit sucking loser ass GM that chose him, is still in command.

FUCK CHRIS BALLARD!

[rm1369]

I don’t get all the hate on Jones, just like I’m baffled by Colts fans love affair with AR. Jones gives the team the best chance to win now. AR can’t even protect himself out there.

I’m excited about this season, in my opinion this decision took balls of steel from Steichen, he knows who the fans wanted in there yet he walked in there and said Jones is the starter for the season. He’s confident inJones and if this team comes out winning fans will jump back on the bandwagon real quick

DJ has proven over 6 years that he is a bad QB. Does he give them a chance at more wins? Maybe? A great year from DJ leads this team to a max 9 wins and maybe a first round playoff exit. That’s peak. Great. And you are back in no man’s land next year. I sure as fuck hope they aren’t stupid enough to give DJ a long term contract. That’s the issue with him - no one believes he’s the long term answer at QB and even in one season his max is first round exit. The reality is he probably gets 6-8 wins. So it’s a continuation of the stupid Ballard shit that has driven this team into a decades long mediocrity.

I have no idea why you believe Steichen has balls and is confident in Jones. What is it about Jones that makes him so confident? His sterling record as a starter? I see a fucking weasel who is anything but confident in what he’s doing. He had fucking confidence in Flacco last year too. How’d that work out? The same way Jones is likely to work out.

I have no idea if AR will amount to anything. He’s most likely a shit QB. But he offers excitement and, most importantly, the path off the carousel of mediocrity Ballard loves. By your admission his bad is worse than DJ, so better pick and possibly a chance at a QB. Instead we want an extra 2-3 wins from DJ and a continuation of the carousel.

DJ is a lose / lose proposition. AR is a win / win proposition. That’s why this is a stupid fucking decision and everyone is pissed. I can’t wait until “big dick Ballard” and “balls of steel Steichen” are fucking a different fan base.

[Hoopsdoc]

I don’t get all the hate on Jones, just like I’m baffled by Colts fans love affair with AR. Jones gives the team the best chance to win now. AR can’t even protect himself out there.

I’m excited about this season, in my opinion this decision took balls of steel from Steichen, he knows who the fans wanted in there yet he walked in there and said Jones is the starter for the season. He’s confident in Jones and if this team comes out winning fans will jump back on the bandwagon real quick

Jones is 20 games under .500 as a starter. And he had a pretty good offensive coach for some of that time, Brian Daboll.

I’m not saying it’s impossible that he has a good season, I’m just saying it’s highly unlikely. He kind of is what he is at this point.

He reminds me some of Minshew with a slightly stronger arm.

[apballin]

Jones is 20 games under .500 as a starter. And he had a pretty good offensive coach for some of that time, Brian Daboll.

I’m not saying it’s impossible that he has a good season, I’m just saying it’s highly unlikely. He kind of is what he is at this point.

He reminds me some of Minshew with a slightly stronger arm.

They got rid of Barkley and all the pressure was on Jones, limited weapons and a shit Oline. Daboll tried to turn him into Josh Allen, he’s not Josh Allen.

A more athletic Minshew with a slightly stronger arm isn’t a bad thing to me. A lot of experience and a playoff win.

[Hoopsdoc]

They got rid of Barkley and all the pressure was on Jones, limited weapons and a shit Oline. Daboll tried to turn him into Josh Allen, he’s not Josh Allen.

A more athletic Minshew with a slightly stronger arm isn’t a bad thing to me. A lot of experience and a playoff win.

That’s a good point. I hadn’t considered that. Losing Barkley was huge for the Giants, and they always seem to have a shitty oline. And before they drafted Nabers they didn’t really have any receivers either.

[apballin]

DJ has proven over 6 years that he is a bad QB. Does he give them a chance at more wins? Maybe? A great year from DJ leads this team to a max 9 wins and maybe a first round playoff exit. That’s peak. Great. And you are back in no man’s land next year. I sure as fuck hope they aren’t stupid enough to give DJ a long term contract. That’s the issue with him - no one believes he’s the long term answer at QB and even in one season his max is first round exit. The reality is he probably gets 6-8 wins. So it’s a continuation of the stupid Ballard shit that has driven this team into a decades long mediocrity.

I have no idea why you believe Steichen has balls and is confident in Jones. What is it about Jones that makes him so confident? His sterling record as a starter? I see a fucking weasel who is anything but confident in what he’s doing. He had fucking confidence in Flacco last year too. How’d that work out? The same way Jones is likely to work out.

I have no idea if AR will amount to anything. He’s most likely a shit QB. But he offers excitement and, most importantly, the path off the carousel of mediocrity Ballard loves. By your admission his bad is worse than DJ, so better pick and possibly a chance at a QB. Instead we want an extra 2-3 wins from DJ and a continuation of the carousel.

DJ is a lose / lose proposition. AR is a win / win proposition. That’s why this is a stupid fucking decision and everyone is pissed. I can’t wait until “big dick Ballard” and “balls of steel Steichen” are fucking a different fan base.

Steichen very easily could’ve just bowed down and gave the fans what they wanted (AR). Jones is 28 Flacco was 40 last year and he’s a statue back there.

Every coach wants a guy that can run the offense efficiently, walk up read the defense and make the throw when it’s there. AR just relies too much on athleticism and buying time yet missing on the simple play when a guy is schemed open.

This tells me they want to win now, unfortunately for AR the best players on this team are getting up there in age

[rm1369]

Steichen very easily could’ve just bowed down and gave the fans what they wanted (AR). Jones is 28 Flacco was 40 last year and he’s a statue back there.

Every coach wants a guy that can run the offense efficiently, walk up read the defense and make the throw when it’s there. AR just relies too much on athleticism and buying time yet missing on the simple play when a guy is schemed open.

This tells me they want to win now, unfortunately for AR the best players on this team are getting up there in age

Joe Flacco was a significantly better QB than Jones has ever shown. He was 4-1 as a starter the year before the Colts. Richardson was 6-5 last year. Jones was 2-8 last year and 1-5 the year before.

I’m glad after 9 years a Ballard led team is in win now mode. They’ve fucked this up to no end. Draft the rawest QB prospect ever, start him immediately, then start benching him for scrubs to “win” now in years 2 and 3. It’s perfect Ballard logic.

I’m not sure why Steichen making a stupid decision seems to give you confidence in that decision. This team has made tons of stupid decisions. How many worked out?

[IndyNorm]

Disappointed but not really surprised as Steichen pretty well tipped his hand by giving Jones the only preseason snaps with the (mostly) #1 offense. Like most of you I'm pretty skeptical on Jones and would have gone w/ AR. Since (at least from what I saw and read) neither of them really separated themselves IMO it makes sense to go w/ the higher upside guy.

Hopefully Jones proves us all wrong, but I am definitely concerned that Jones plays just well enough to get us to the playoffs, then we pay him, and that's followed by him completely shitting the bed like he did in NY.

[IndyNorm]

Wanted to add that a small silver lining to this is that it should make Pierce a lot less expensive to re-sign.

[rm1369]

Wanted to add that a small silver lining to this is that it should make Pierce a lot less expensive to re-sign.

I don’t see AP resigning here. He will likely be cheaper for his next team though.

[YDFL Commish]

I truly didn't have a favorite in this competition.

That said, didn't Steichen do exactly what he said he was going to do, and pick the most consistent guy.

How would it have been taken if Steichen went to the podium and said that, yeah, Daniel was more consistent, but we went with AR because he has more upside? Upside means nothing, and may never be achieved.

Also, I believe that this decision, almost definitively proves out that Irsay was AR's biggest backer, and pulling the strings for him to start, when Mishew was the better option. I don't believe that Carlie will make those same mistakes.

[rm1369]

Disappointed but not really surprised as Steichen pretty well tipped his hand by giving Jones the only preseason snaps with the (mostly) #1 offense. Like most of you I'm pretty skeptical on Jones and would have gone w/ AR. Since (at least from what I saw and read) neither of them really separated themselves IMO it makes sense to go w/ the higher upside guy.

Hopefully Jones proves us all wrong, but I am definitely concerned that Jones plays just well enough to get us to the playoffs, then we pay him, and that's followed by him completely shitting the bed like he did in NY.

Yeah it would be a different story if through camp Jones was clearly the better option. I’ve not seen any report suggesting that and I haven’t seen it in the preseason games either. You have the one play that is an issue, but reverse that play with the Jones fumbled snap (give jones the sack and AR the fumble) and I feel like certain people would use the fumble as an example of ARs issues. Jones has not been clearly better than AR. Maybe marginally better as a 6 year vet. He is who he is.

[rm1369]

I truly didn't have a favorite in this competition.

That said, didn't Steichen do exactly what he said he was going to do, and pick the most consistent guy.

How would it have been taken if Steichen went to the podium and said that, yeah, Daniel was more consistent, but we went with AR because he has more upside? Upside means nothing, and may never be achieved.

Also, I believe that this decision, almost definitively proves out that Irsay was AR's biggest backer, and pulling the strings for him to start, when Mishew was the better option. I don't believe that Carlie will make those same mistakes.

Flacco was also more consistent the AR. His record was worse with the same team.

The team had no business drafting a QB they have no desire to develop.

For several years I criticized Ballard for not making win now moves to help support Rivers or Wentz or AR. I was constantly told it made sense to wait until they had a proven QB. Ballard was a genius doing the right thing. Now all of a sudden we apparently have the QB in Jones who has somehow shown more than Rivers or Wentz did in their careers. Now the team has to go into win now mode at the expense of their #4 overall draft pick. Have to love the logic. No wonder this team hasn’t won the worse division in the league in the last 10 years.

[Hoopsdoc]

I don’t see AP resigning here. He will likely be cheaper for his next team though.

I’m not sure they don’t see Mitchell as Pierces in house replacement.

[apballin]

Joe Flacco was a significantly better QB than Jones has ever shown. He was 4-1 as a starter the year before the Colts. Richardson was 6-5 last year. Jones was 2-8 last year and 1-5 the year before.

I’m glad after 9 years a Ballard led team is in win now mode. They’ve fucked this up to no end. Draft the rawest QB prospect ever, start him immediately, then start benching him for scrubs to “win” now in years 2 and 3. It’s perfect Ballard logic.

I’m not sure why Steichen making a stupid decision seems to give you confidence in that decision. This team has made tons of stupid decisions. How many worked out?

He wasn’t benched he got injured, I don’t consider his in season suspension a legitimate benching. I agree they botched the entire situation with AR, but they were trying to appease fans because at that point colts fans didn’t care they wanted a qb drafted at 4.

The logic is he’s regressed so you can’t keep forcing him out there to fail when you know he’s not ready. He hasn’t been the same since the shoulder injury in my opinion.

Ballard’s job is clearly on the line so maybe he’s taking an all in approach. I don’t know, I honestly don’t care, I’m sick of being so close to winning a lackluster Division when we have the talent.

Jonathan Taylor is a special back I don’t wanna sit here and watch him waste his career behind one of the best Olineman I’ve ever watched. Not to mention Jim passing away… fuck it the time is now!!!

[rm1369]

I’m not sure they don’t see Mitchell as Pierces in house replacement.

Hopefully they aren’t here to make that decision.

[rm1369]

He wasn’t benched he got injured, I don’t consider his in season suspension a legitimate benching. I agree they botched the entire situation with AR, but they were trying to appease fans because at that point colts fans didn’t care they wanted a qb drafted at 4.

The logic is he’s regressed so you can’t keep forcing him out there to fail when you know he’s not ready. He hasn’t been the same since the shoulder injury in my opinion.

Ballard’s job is clearly on the line so maybe he’s taking an all in approach. I don’t know, I honestly don’t care, I’m sick of being so close to winning a lackluster Division when we have the talent.

Jonathan Taylor is a special back I don’t wanna sit here and watch him waste his career behind one of the best Olineman I’ve ever watched. Not to mention Jim passing away… fuck it the time is now!!!

He was benched for Flacco. I’m not sure how you can not count that. It was even the same “reason” as given now - supposedly Flacco gave them a better chance to win. AR only started again because Flacco sucked. The people defending the move said largely the same stuff you are saying now - he gives them a better chance to win and we need to make the playoffs.

Yes, I think Ballard’s job is on the line. That’s the only reason he signed any free agents and attempted to fill most holes. Didn’t do it in his other seasons in charge. Steichen’s is on the line as well. I’m sure that contributes to their decision to see Jones as the answer. It’s still a stupid decision and will help get them fired. That’s the only saving grace for me - finally moving on from them. Especially Ballard. Their best chance at retaining their job was development by AR. Going 8-9 with Jones will just show how inept they both are.

The team is wasting the careers of several really good players, but I’m not particularly a JT fan. Regardless, helping extend the mediocrity for the possibility of a couple extra wins doesn’t make sense to me. And hell, I’m not even sure Jones will win more than AR. For as bad as AR has been, he has a winning record as a starter. And that’s with the BS defense and TE room Ballard gave him.

[IndyNorm]

Yeah it would be a different story if through camp Jones was clearly the better option. I’ve not seen any report suggesting that and I haven’t seen it in the preseason games either. You have the one play that is an issue, but reverse that play with the Jones fumbled snap (give jones the sack and AR the fumble) and I feel like certain people would use the fumble as an example of ARs issues. Jones has not been clearly better than AR. Maybe marginally better as a 6 year vet. He is who he is.

Exactly. If we could definitely say that Jones outperformed AR and not just maybe by a little bit then going with Jones wouldn't be an issue. Since they're been pretty close then you would think it makes sense to go w/ the high upside guy.



I don’t see AP resigning here. He will likely be cheaper for his next team though.

Yeah, you're probably right. I was thinking he'll probably end up having a season similar to '23 w/ Jones throwing to him, but if that happens then he'll probably want to go someplace else on a show me deal to try have a big year to cash in from.

I’m not sure they don’t see Mitchell as Pierces in house replacement.

I'm sure they drafted Mitchell with that thought, but they can't be happy with his non-stop biz decisions his rookie year and his dumbfuckery in the preseason.

[nate505]

Jonathan Taylor is a special back I don’t wanna sit here and watch him waste his career behind one of the best Olineman I’ve ever watched. Not to mention Jim passing away… fuck it the time is now!!!

I mean, if the time is now, why not get a QB that's much better than Daniel Jones. Like go after Geno Smith or Justin Fields or someone. Hell, I'd rather them have got Drew Lock. Or why not at least go after a QB in the 2nd round of the draft or so.

Maybe Jones will prove me wrong. God I'm hoping he does, I want something to root for this year. But the Colts don't feel special enough to do a lot with just mediocre QB play, and it's hard to envision Jones being better than that. Hell, he got benched for Tommy DeVito in his career.

Richardson may give you horrible QB play. In fact, the odds are he probably will. But I'd rather roll the dice on the off chance you hit snakeyes and he goes out there and throws 60 yard bombs to players or runs for 200 yards a game.

[CletusPyle]

I don’t get all the hate on Jones, just like I’m baffled by Colts fans love affair with AR. Jones gives the team the best chance to win now. AR can’t even protect himself out there.

I’m excited about this season, in my opinion this decision took balls of steel from Steichen, he knows who the fans wanted in there yet he walked in there and said Jones is the starter for the season. He’s confident in Jones and if this team comes out winning fans will jump back on the bandwagon real quick

I felt that way early on and hoped a fresh start would bring out some of the potential I have saw from him at times in the past, but this preseason has brought me back to Earth. He has looked really mediocre so far, and that is being kind! He could still prove everyone wrong, and maybe he is killing it in practice? I’m still excited for the season, I just hope I still feel that way by mid season!

[YDFL Commish]

To quote Bill Parcells, "You lose with potential, you win with performance".

The best one from Parcells is, "Potential means you haven't done anything yet".

[Spike]

I'd rather trade Daniel Jones, there's no upside or hope with him. Roll will AR, Leonard and Bean. I hate this decision so damn much. Just a middle of the road bullshit team again. I love the Colts, but I really hope this blows up in Ballard's and Steichen's faces. I hope the fans boo the hell out of them at games. I have literally no excitement or enthusiasm for this team now. What a piss poor regime the Colts have become. AR has played 39 games total in college and the NFL. Give him a chance this year. See how he does cowards. Daniel Jones is a boring ass QB and not going to take the Colts far at all. Again, medicoricy is all that Ballard and Steichen have given us. Fuck them!
First time in many years I am not looking forward to watching my Colts, thanks Ballard and Steichen, shitheads.

[Hoopsdoc]

I mean, if the time is now, why not get a QB that's much better than Daniel Jones. Like go after Geno Smith or Justin Fields or someone. Hell, I'd rather them have got Drew Lock. Or why not at least go after a QB in the 2nd round of the draft or so.

Maybe Jones will prove me wrong. God I'm hoping he does, I want something to root for this year. But the Colts don't feel special enough to do a lot with just mediocre QB play, and it's hard to envision Jones being better than that. Hell, he got benched for Tommy DeVito in his career.

Richardson may give you horrible QB play. In fact, the odds are he probably will. But I'd rather roll the dice on the off chance you hit snakeyes and he goes out there and throws 60 yard bombs to players or runs for 200 yards a game.

The bad part about Richardson is that the style he is best suited to play is the style his brittle body will not allow him to play.

Sure, he makes amazing plays now and then but he will INEVITABLY end up getting hurt. It’s impossible to build any sort of continuity with him at quarterback.

It’s a never ending cycle of he shows potential, makes a breathtaking play, sucks ass, and then gets hurt.

[Mr. Session]

First time I've seen Nelson whine. It reminds me of Kelly. NBC (https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/quenton-nelson-on-another-qb-switch-id-be-lying-if-i-said-it-wasnt-frustrating)

Nelson admitted to reporters after the announcement that it has been frustrating that the Colts have had to keep changing quarterbacks throughout his career.

“I would say so. I think I’d be lying if I said it wasn’t [frustrating],” Nelson said, via James Boyd of TheAthletic.com. “You look around the league and see just the consistency of having a Patrick Mahomes or a quarterback behind you that’s been the franchise player for years and years and years, and getting to build that chemistry with that quarterback year after year is something that there is an advantage to when it comes to O-line play.

“So, to answer your question, yeah.”

No indication here that he thinks it's the wrong decision, but for a guy that is usually all business and doesn't share much, I find his response curious. Perhaps even resentful?

[Racehorse]

I preferred AR as a starter to help him develop. That said, I hope Jones can be the next Sam Darnold and the next Trent Dilfer/Brad Johnson.

[ChoppedWood]

First time I've seen Nelson whine. It reminds me of Kelly. NBC (https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/quenton-nelson-on-another-qb-switch-id-be-lying-if-i-said-it-wasnt-frustrating)



No indication here that he thinks it's the wrong decision, but for a guy that is usually all business and doesn't share much, I find his response curious. Perhaps even resentful?

There is no way you can be a member of this organization, a player in particular, one that has numerous years under your belt and is regarded as one of the cornerstones of the franchise, and not look at this train wreck and just fucking HATE the guys in the corner offices. These two fuckheads have completely trashed this fucking org. They seem to have zero strategic thinking capabilities and just go with a "fuck it, let's just see what this looks like tomorrow" approach. When it doesn't work, one just blabbers and speaks condescendingly toward anyone and everyone while the other one just spews layers and layers of non-specific buzz word bullshit over and over!

I have had my share of bitterness and resentment toward numerous people with this organization stretched across the long ass time I have been a fan. I have NEVER had this much contempt for two people as I have for Ballard and Steichen. It makes me sick to say that they are the shot callers for this once proud team, they are a disgrace! The day they are both gone, which I predict will be in November, will be a fucking great day for the shoe!

[CletusPyle]

Or why not at least go after a QB in the 2nd round of the draft or so.



I was hoping they would go after Will Howard or Dillion Gabriel, they could have had either. Gabriel is a fun guy to watch and a hell of a competitor, short in stature but I think he will have a nice career.

I think Steichen thinks Jones is capable, with JT and Giddens, of running a ball control offense that can score enough points to win lots of close games and if the defense is improved enough he may be right? That was something I thought Matt Ryan could do and we know how that worked out. Maybe Jones can do what Ryan couldn't?

[njcoltfan]

At least at this point, no male cheerleaders!:D
What do you call Ballard and Steichen ??

[njcoltfan]

The less they win, the better. I’d rather they win 2 games than 8 again.

At least then, they’d have their pick of quarterbacks.

But that’s not going to happen. They’ll win 6-9 games, miss the playoffs again, and we’ll be right back here in this same situation next season.

It’s just SO frustrating.
The " March for Arch " has officially begun !!!

[Oldcolt]

The bad part about Richardson is that the style he is best suited to play is the style his brittle body will not allow him to play.

Sure, he makes amazing plays now and then but he will INEVITABLY end up getting hurt. It’s impossible to build any sort of continuity with him at quarterback.

It’s a never ending cycle of he shows potential, makes a breathtaking play, sucks ass, and then gets hurt.

No other QB in football plays like Steichen had AR playing those first years. A combination of rb/qb with plays called where AR actually is the primary running back where you guarantee he gets hit. Running backs do not have the mindset of protecting themselves. It must be tough to switch that on and off, impossible for an inexperienced dude. The more you get hit, the greater the chance you get hurt.

And since when has this Jones guy been this consistent precise QB? If he was he would still be in NY.

[Colts And Orioles]

I have NEVER had this much contempt for two people as I have for Ballard and Steichen.








When Jonathan Taylor dropped the ball at the goal-line last year, you wanted him immediately cut from the team.






Fuck suspensionn ...... CUT that MOTHER-FUCKER !!! You cannot in any way excuse that shit away, you fucking send a message and you cut the fucking player that does that shit !!!

Fuck that, fuck, fuck, fuck that !!! This is the type of shit that you MUST put the spotlight on and get shit cleaned up. Fuck him !!! Could very likely be the play that costs you the playoffs ...... FUCK THAT, GET HIM OFF OF MY TEAM !!!








And when asked whom should replace him with, you said that it didn't matter, and that you didn't care.






The hair around my asshole, in other words, I don't give a fuck, just not him !!! How in the fuck are so many people on this board so willing to accept and even laude mediocrity just because the logo on the helmet ??? He is likely going to cost us a playoff birth because he fucking made a stupid fucking play...... fuck him !!!








Your resentment toward almost anything and everything that ever goes wrong for the Colts knows no limits, and no bounds ...... your rage is equally spewed for all of them, whether it's a current player, a former player, a head coach, an assistant coach, or the guy selling soda in the upper deck of Lucas Oil Stadium.

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[apballin]

I mean, if the time is now, why not get a QB that's much better than Daniel Jones. Like go after Geno Smith or Justin Fields or someone. Hell, I'd rather them have got Drew Lock. Or why not at least go after a QB in the 2nd round of the draft or so.

Maybe Jones will prove me wrong. God I'm hoping he does, I want something to root for this year. But the Colts don't feel special enough to do a lot with just mediocre QB play, and it's hard to envision Jones being better than that. Hell, he got benched for Tommy DeVito in his career.

Richardson may give you horrible QB play. In fact, the odds are he probably will. But I'd rather roll the dice on the off chance you hit snakeyes and he goes out there and throws 60 yard bombs to players or runs for 200 yards a game.

Had to be a QB that wanted to sign here, Fields didn’t wanna take ARs job. Fields was also a gamble, what’s he ever won on the NFL?

[IndyNorm]

To quote Bill Parcells, "You lose with potential, you win with performance".

The best one from Parcells is, "Potential means you haven't done anything yet".

Point taken, but when has Jones actually performed well?

[IndyNorm]

No other QB in football plays like Steichen had AR playing those first years. A combination of rb/qb with plays called where AR actually is the primary running back where you guarantee he gets hit. Running backs do not have the mindset of protecting themselves. It must be tough to switch that on and off, impossible for an inexperienced dude. The more you get hit, the greater the chance you get hurt.

And since when has this Jones guy been this consistent precise QB? If he was he would still be in NY.

It's not typical, but AR isn't the only QB whose been used like that. Lamar Jackson has averaged 9.8 carries/game, Hurts 8.8, and AR 7.4.

[Butter]

First time I've seen Nelson whine. It reminds me of Kelly. NBC (https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/quenton-nelson-on-another-qb-switch-id-be-lying-if-i-said-it-wasnt-frustrating)



No indication here that he thinks it's the wrong decision, but for a guy that is usually all business and doesn't share much, I find his response curious. Perhaps even resentful?
I have a hard time considering that whining. He was asked a direct question, and he answered it honestly.

[ChoppedWood]

When Jonathan Taylor dropped the ball at the goal-line last year, you wanted him immediately cut from the team.






And when asked whom should replace him with, you said that it didn't matter, and that you didn't care.






Your resentment toward almost anything and everything that ever goes wrong for the Colts knows no limits, and no bounds ...... your rage is equally spewed for all of them, whether it's a current player, a former player, a head coach, an assistant coach, or the guy selling soda in the upper deck of Lucas Oil Stadium.

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Yeah C&O, I deplore the appreciation and acceptance of mediocrity, and by God Chris Ballard is deserving of having that Manning statue smashed into pieces and a humongous fucking statue erected instead honoring his lifelong dedication to mediocrity put in its place. The dude is a piece of shit at his job and in turn the team is a piece of shit. Not my fault, I type on a message board and spend my money on this shit, his fucking lame ass gets paid to suck- crazy!

[ChaosTheory]

Film breakdown on how Jones outperformed AR:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1obpRS_Mz-M

[Hoopsdoc]

Will they trade AR?

[ukcolt]

I am not sure that Jones was the real problem with the Giants, they were just a truly terrible roster from top to bottom in his last few seasons. I don't think Mahomes would have been able to get that roster to above 500. I like Chris Simms and he is a massive Giants fan, he was always saying that Jones was a long way down the list of reasons why the Giants were so bad.

I am not saying Jones is some superstar QB, but he had no weapons besides Barkley, and an offensive line that could barely block against thin air.

I also believe that AR doesn't allow Steichen to run the playbook that is needed for the players on offense at our disposal. Tyler Warren looks like he is going to be a special player, but i am not so sure that AR is or will ever be able to utilise that skillset. He just can't read a defense properly and predict when players are about to become open, and throw in the middle of the field. He wants the players to be wide open before he throws the ball. He has very limited anticipation skills.

Pierce may very well take a hit as AR was good at the deep ball, but i think Jones will give a huge hike in the production of Downs and Pittman because his ball placement is just better, and will allow more RAC yardage.

In terms of being able to "win now" this is a no brainer of a decision to go with Jones and the Colts have a roster that when healthy, looks as if it could be fun to watch on both sides of the ball and should be competitive.

[ukcolt]

My biggest fear is our offensive line. It looks as if Braden Smith hasn't been his usual self. We are bedding in both Bortolini and Goncalves. If any of those three become an issue, where do we turn? If Smith struggles, do we shift Goncalves to tackle, and bring in Tucker, or do we go with the rookie 4th rounder. We are one injury or poor performance from it not really mattering who starts at QB.

I like the starting lineup on paper, but we are then relying on Tucker who really struggled and was benched for Glowinski, and then a rookie and Pinter as our next men up.

[Racehorse]

I think Steichen thinks Jones is capable, with JT and Giddens, of running a ball control offense that can score enough points to win lots of close games and if the defense is improved enough he may be right? That was something I thought Matt Ryan could do and we know how that worked out. Maybe Jones can do what Ryan couldn't?

This is my hope.

[YDFL Commish]

Film breakdown on how Jones outperformed AR:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1obpRS_Mz-M

Great analysis by PFF. I would also like to add the commentators that actually, know football, such as Pat Kirwan, Jim Miller, and Chris Simms are adamant that Jones should be the starter.

[Mr. Session]

I have a hard time considering that whining. He was asked a direct question, and he answered it honestly.

Poor word choice on my part.

Nevertheless, typically he is not that transparent.

At least in my opinion.

[Colts And Orioles]

It's not my fault, I type on a message board and spend my money on this shit, his fucking lame ass gets paid to suck- crazy !!!





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Actually, it is your fault ....... all your fault.


A) l Nobody is putting a gun at your head, and forcing you to post on a Colts message board.

B) l Nobody is putting a gun at your head, and forcing you to buy tickets to Colts games, spend money on Colts memorabilia, and/or buy food and drinks at Lucas Oil Stadium.

C) l Nobody is putting a gun at your head, and forcing you to invest your emotions into Indianapolis Colts games to the point of being a raving madman, foaming at the mouth.



Your constant and incessant rage is not Anthony Richardson's fault because he completes less than 50% of his passes. It's not Jonathan Taylor's fault because he drops the ball at the goal-line like an imbecile. It's not the cornerback's fault, who gets burned on 3rd-and-long late in the 4th quarter of a crucial game. It's not the tight end's fault, who whiffs on a block and allows a blitzing linebacker to demolish the Colts' quarterback. And it's not Chris Ballard's fault, because he doesn't make the roster moves that you want him to make. It's your fault. Take some responsibility for your behavior ...... you're a fucking nutcase, which coincidentally allows you to fit right in here with the rest of us here on ColtFreaks.

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[IndyNorm]

I am not sure that Jones was the real problem with the Giants, they were just a truly terrible roster from top to bottom in his last few seasons. I don't think Mahomes would have been able to get that roster to above 500. I like Chris Simms and he is a massive Giants fan, he was always saying that Jones was a long way down the list of reasons why the Giants were so bad.


Yet guys like Tommy Devito and Drew Lock were able to outperform Jones w/ the same players surrounding them :cool:

[ChoppedWood]

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Actually, it is your fault ....... all your fault.


A) l Nobody is putting a gun at your head, and forcing you to post on a Colts message board.

B) l Nobody is putting a gun at your head, and forcing you to buy tickets to Colts games, spend money on Colts memorabilia, and/or buy food and drinks at Lucas Oil Stadium.

C) l Nobody is putting a gun at your head, and forcing you to invest your emotions into Indianapolis Colts games to the point of being a raving madman, foaming at the mouth.



Your constant and incessant rage is not Anthony Richardson's fault because he completes less than 50% of his passes. It's not Jonathan Taylor's fault because he drops the ball at the goal-line like an imbecile. It's not the cornerback's fault, who gets burned on 3rd-and-long late in the 4th quarter of a crucial game. It's not the tight end's fault, who whiffs on a block and allows a blitzing linebacker to demolish the Colts' quarterback. And it's not Chris Ballard's fault, because he doesn't make the roster moves that you want him to make. It's your fault. Take some responsibility for your behavior ...... you're a fucking nutcase, which coincidentally allows you to fit right in here with the rest of us here on ColtFreaks.

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Well, I appreciate you pointing out my madness, which is legit.
However, the not my fault point is valid, pretty much every thing that goes on with this team is Chris Ballard's at some level, and over a 10 year period, there's been a LOT go on with this team that is just not good.

It's kind of crazy to think that this is a team that not that long ago was lauded as one of the premiere teams / organizations in the entire NFL and now, man we are pretty much a trash ass joke of an organization that repeatedly steps on our own dick. At some point, just like any company in corp America, you stop looking at the workers and you look at the leadership as the company spirals. Our leadership is 100% terrible and it is impossible to refute that.

[ChoppedWood]

Will they trade AR?

I doubt it. I am sure that in the back of Steichen's mind he sees some sliver of an opportunity for this to be another push for growth from AR. I would guess he believes that this will finally be the moment that he understands how much goes into being the QB1 of an NFL franchise and believes that there is an outside chance that when DJ gets hurt- and he will- AR will come in and be the phoenix that will lead us to a title and prove to everyone Steichen was smart to make him earn it.

However - the ONLY prudent decision is to move him! He's the backup, everyone loves the backup when things start looking bad for the incumbent- and this is DJ- that is GOING to happen. The fans are already restless, just wait for the first 10-27, 3 INT, 1 Fumble, 1 TD 38-10 loss, just wait. There will be riots in the streets demanding AR and lest we forget Steichen has already proven he is a puss when it comes to needing to quiet the voices. Look over his tenure, he has really shown himself to be a giant wussy.

They created this monster when they let him start right out of the gate, there is a large contingent of fans that will stand in AR's corner no matter. So do the smart thing, and move him to avoid this drama. Get whatever you can, doesn't even matter, just get something. He will go somewhere, hold the clip board, and by week 5 there won't be any talk of him until he comes in for whoever gets hurt---- but it will be drama for another team, not ours!

Someone made the comment about the Lose-Lose of DJ and the Win-Win with AR, and that point is so well made. This fanbase is furious at how poor this team has been top to bottom over the past 15 years. There is real apathy all stemming from the QB spin cycle, people are tired of it. DJ is a 6-11 to 10-7 range QB= continued mediocrity with no QB solution in sight. AR is a 2-15 to 15-2 QB= something gives at the end of the year no matter, you either suck so bad you can replace him with another high ability prospect (hell no Chris Ballard should never ever again in his life be given a chance to even say a QB's name let alone hire one), or you win the SB and your QB of the future is in place for another decade + (extremely unlikely but that is AR's potential).

MOVE HIM. DJ plays the season, we probably win 9-10 games and now we have a huge QB problem- can you imagine him either barely missing the PO's or sneaking us in, and the rage if we re-sign him to some big dollar contract? DJ gets hurt game 4 and AR comes in, we're probably headed toward another 7-10 win season (the dude does have a winning record despite all the shitty stats). That is by far the worst thing that could happen= continued QB purgatory. DJ gets hurt game 4 and Leonard comes in, we're probably looking at 4-5 total wins and we can start the whole QB process over with a high pick----- AND NO FUCKING BALLARD TO FUCKING RUIN IT!

The choice is a no-brainer---- MOVE AR!

[albany ed]

Well, I appreciate you pointing out my madness, which is legit.
However, the not my fault point is valid, pretty much every thing that goes on with this team is Chris Ballard's at some level, and over a 10 year period, there's been a LOT go on with this team that is just not good.

It's kind of crazy to think that this is a team that not that long ago was lauded as one of the premiere teams / organizations in the entire NFL and now, man we are pretty much a trash ass joke of an organization that repeatedly steps on our own dick. At some point, just like any company in corp America, you stop looking at the workers and you look at the leadership as the company spirals. Our leadership is 100% terrible and it is impossible to refute that.

We're all fans here and we're all entitled to express out feelings about this team. And speaking for me, I'm getting on in years and sometimes forgetful. So I find it refreshing to be reminded over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again

how much my favorite team is a trash ass joke of an organization that repeatedly steps on our own dick and how it's all Chris Ballard's fault. So keep it up, because speaking for me, it's important to be reminded, to be reminded

over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. ;)

[Oldcolt]

My only real hope for this team is Carlee. Hopefully she can rebuild this organization and lead it to relevance again. When Steichen named Jones to state to me he needs to be fired. He was a huge fanboy of AR. He had one job, one. He was hired as a QB guru for AR and failed miserably. Ballard was just as horrible. Can you folks name me one person that had experience and was there in the QB room for AR to learn from. Minshaw was a cool dude but not teacher type and Ryan specifically said he wasnt' here to help mentor AR (WTF are you hiring him for then when the most important thing is to develop the young QB). Don't even get me started on the Cam Turner-his major accomplishment seems to be Norv Turners nephew. Who exactly was AR going to learn the ropes from? From what I have read and heard nobody really had a detailed plan as how to train AR. AR needed big time help. He played college football from 2020-2022 and his first year here was 2023. All those years were COVID years, anyone who tried to learn remotely knows how shittly that was. That is all Anthony got. This has been a shit organization recently.

[Lov2fish]

Everybody acts like they benched Manning. Richardson sucked, period. You can put sprinkles on shit and call it ice cream, but its still shit. Jones just sucks a little less. I'm still gonna watch and go to the games my schedule allows, even if I know it is in despair with a predictable outcome!

[Thorgrim]

Everybody acts like they benched Manning. Richardson sucked, period. You can put sprinkles on shit and call it ice cream, but its still shit. Jones just sucks a little less. I'm still gonna watch and go to the games my schedule allows, even if I know it is in despair with a predictable outcome!

So the only choice is with or without sprinkles?

[rm1369]

Everybody acts like they benched Manning. Richardson sucked, period. You can put sprinkles on shit and call it ice cream, but its still shit. Jones just sucks a little less. I'm still gonna watch and go to the games my schedule allows, even if I know it is in despair with a predictable outcome!

Ballard and Steichen drafted the rawest QB prospect ever at 4 and then started him day one. He has roughly one full season of starts and has now been benched twice for established QBs that MAY suck just a little less. That is Cleveland lever incompetence. There is simply no way to defend their “plan” here. They have fucked it up as bad as is humanly possible. If AR had sat the bench for a couple seasons it would have been understandable. If they were living through his growing pains it would be understandable. What they have done is simply not defendable. It doesn’t matter than Jones definitely has a higher floor than AR or that they MAY win a couple more games with him. It’s that it shows a team who again has no fucking clue what it is doing at the most important position in sports. And that isn’t a one season, one time issue. It’s constant. The team acquired veteran win now QBs (Rivers and Ryan) and treated the rest of the roster like a rebuilding year. They traded significant assets for a supposed solution (Wentz) and again treated it like a rebuilding year. They drafted the rawest rookie ever, start him and all of a sudden have to win now? Fuck that. It’s BS. Yes I know they are under fire - because of the stupid decisions they have repeatedly made. Decisions just like this one.

And I will point out, for all of the admittedly accurate talk about how bad AR has been, his record as a starter matches pretty closely to what Gardner achieved with the same roster and better than what Flacco did with the same roster. I don’t see Jones as significantly better than either of those two. There is no guarantee Jone’s less shitty stats will contribute any more to actual winning than ARs pressure and big plays. Jones certainly can’t be called a “winner” based on his 6 years in the league regardless of how bad the Giants were.

[Colts And Orioles]

Ballard and Steichen drafted the rawest QB prospect ever at 4 and then started him day one. He has roughly one full season of starts and has now been benched twice for established QBs that MAY suck just a little less. That is Cleveland lever incompetence. There is simply no way to defend their “plan” here. They have fucked it up as bad as is humanly possible. ) If AR had sat the bench for a couple seasons, it would have been understandable. If they were living through his growing pains it would be understandable. What they have done is simply not defendable. It doesn’t matter than Jones definitely has a lower floor than AR or that they MAY win a couple more games with him. It’s that it’s shows a team who again has no fucking clue what it is doing at the most important position in sports. And that isn’t a one season, one time issue. It’s constant. The team acquired veteran win now QBs (Rivers and Ryan) and treated the rest of the roster like a rebuilding year. They traded significant assets for a supposed solution and again treated it like a rebuilding year. They drafted the rawest rookie ever, start him and all of a sudden have to win now? Fuck that. It's BS. Yes, I know that they are under fire because of the stupid decisions that they have repeatedly made ...... decisions just like this one.

And I will point out, for all of the admittedly accurate talk about how bad AR has been, his record as a started matches pretty closely to what Gardner achieved with the same roster and better than what Flacco did with the same roster. I don’t see Jones as significantly better than either of those two. There is no guarantee Jone’s less shitty stats will contribute any more to actual winning than ARs pressure and big plays. He certainly can’t be called a “winner” based on his 6 years in the league regardless of how bad the Giants were.





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It would sting badly if Richardson went to another team and succeeded from about 2027 or 2028 to about 2033 or 2034.

I'm not sure that that would happen, but if it did, it would really sting.

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[rm1369]

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It would sting badly if Richardson went to another team and succeeded from about 2027 or 2028 to about 2033 or 2034.

I'm not sure that that would happen, but if it did, it would really sting.

o

It’s a real possibility. Right now my best case scenario is Ballard and Steichen are gone after this season and the new regime starts AR to see what they have, taking the boom or bust option the team should be taking this year. He shows improvement? Great, there is likely something here, keep working on it. He completely flames out? Great we know he isn’t getting there and we have a higher draft pick to look for his replacement. Even the best case scenario I can see with Jones makes me uncomfortable. He plays decent, team squeaks into the playoffs and has a first round exit. Great! Now what? Sign DJ to a multi year contract? Look for a different veteran option? Give AR a shot? Each one of those prolongs the cycle another year. It’s a continuation of the mediocrity the Ballard philosophy brings. And I’m over it. Giving up my season tickets after the season no matter what happens level of over it.

[ukcolt]

Yet guys like Tommy Devito and Drew Lock were able to outperform Jones w/ the same players surrounding them :cool:

Tommy Devito played well for a month and then fell flat on his face. Lock went 1-1 in that season.

As i said before i don't think Jones is the saviour, i just think he is far more likely to produce something with a better supporting cast than he has ever had, than what AR has shown with this cast around him already.

I am not completely out on AR, he clearly has amazing arm talent and great running ability, but so far he has proven he can't read a defense, and that he is historically bad in terms of his accuracy!!

[IndyNorm]

Tommy Devito played well for a month and then fell flat on his face. Lock went 1-1 in that season.


1 month of playing well is better than not playing well at all and a .500 record is better than .200.

[IndyNorm]

If you don't take into consideration the long term upside and/or the only real objective you have is to finish above .500 this season and make the playoffs then it makes sense to go w/ Jones. But when you take into account the long term upside of each player the only way it make sense to go w/ Jones IMO is if he played really well in Preseason/TC or AR was really bad. Neither was the case. In the preseason games AR was more inconsistent, but he orchestrated by far our best drive of the preseason. Whereas Jones could only muster up FGs, including when he was playing w/ mostly our starters vs. backups. And while I didn't read every single article on TC, what I did read made it sound like they were pretty much even.

At any rate, I'll still be watching and hoping that Jones proves us all wrong. If he does then I'll definitely be happy to come on here and eat my fair share of crow.

One thing is for sure though, and that's Ballard and Steichen royally fucked this us from pretty much the get go.

[Lov2fish]

So the only choice is with or without sprinkles?

You can turn it into a banana split, still gonna taste like shit. The QB class was horrible. Ballard's unwillingness to put round pegs in round holes is mind numbing. Every bit of film available on Richardson told us exactly what we were getting, then act shocked when we get exactly what the film said. I hated the pick even though we were QB desperate. There were still game changing defensive players on the board and we went for the biggest reach in 40 years, sans Jamarcus Russel.

[IndyNorm]

You can turn it into a banana split, still gonna taste like shit. The QB class was horrible. Ballard's unwillingness to put round pegs in round holes is mind numbing. Every bit of film available on Richardson told us exactly what we were getting, then act shocked when we get exactly what the film said. I hated the pick even though we were QB desperate. There were still game changing defensive players on the board and we went for the biggest reach in 40 years, sans Jamarcus Russel.

What makes matters worse is that Ballard and Steichen were both well aware of how raw AR was (or at least they should have been), but then they decide to hand him the starters job from day 1 and then completely give up on the guy rather than try to work with him to get through his growing pains.

[Butter]

1 month of playing well is better than not playing well at all and a .500 record is better than .200.

Come on, no one can take you seriously with that argument based on the super small sample.

[apballin]

Come on, no one can take you seriously with that argument based on the super small sample.

Where’s Devito now?

[IndyNorm]

Come on, no one can take you seriously with that argument based on the super small sample.

Why not? It clearly shows how unbelievably bad Jones was in NY.

[rm1369]

Where’s Devito now?

I’m not sure what the gotcha is here. Less than a year ago Daniel Jones was playing scout team safety for the Giants and then was on the Vikings practice squad. He was not significantly better than the people he was replaced with regardless of where they are now. Right or wrong, if Jones wasn’t a first round pick he may be out of the league at this point. Instead he’s a starter. And yes I recognize the same may apply to AR in the future. That doesn’t change the point about Jones performance.

[Chromeburn]

My two cents. Clearly DJ outworked AR off the field. But Giants fans said that’s what he does. It’s on the field where he folds, he has trouble executing and hesitates at key seconds. Steichen runs a fairly friendly scheme though. So I’d like to see how he does with it. I expect Pittman and the TEs to have a big year. Less so AP and AD. I think Steichen believes he can get game management out of jones with me checkdown using the system.

There is something limiting AR, maybe it’s brains, maybe it’s work ethic, maybe it’s inexperience and he doesn’t know what he doesn’t know. Naive has been used a lot and I wonder if Jim forced them to play him. I’m also not on the blowout up train. Unless you have the number one pick, a hall of fame GM coming in, and a great QB sitting there. I’ve seen too many times where blowing it up just makes things worse.

I also don’t think this is the last we’ve seen of AR. DJ has never played a full season. 60 QB started last year. Odds are we will see him play. I’m still hopeful for him to get it together. I’m pulling for him. I know it’s a long shot and he always was. But if he does develop he would be a huge weapon in the league.

[Colts And Orioles]

My two cents ...... clearly DJ outworked AR off the field.




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Richardson lost 10 pounds in the off-season, and looked even more agile and athletic than he already was.






Anthony Richardson appears to have lost some weight since the last time I saw him.


https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jones-anthony-richardson-begin-competition-colts-starting-quarterback





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[ChaosTheory]

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Richardson lost 10 pounds in the off-season, and looked even more agile and athletic than he already was.

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There's more to work than working out and ditching Skittles. It's great that he did that, don't get me wrong. Spending the hours to dive into the playbook and study film is also work.

I agreed with the notion that if it was close, AR would get the nod. I still believe that, which tells me it wasn't close in their eyes.

[Colts And Orioles]

There's more to work than working out and ditching Skittles. It's great that he did that, don't get me wrong. Spending the hours to dive into the playbook and study film is also work.





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Yes, and neither one of us knows that Jones did that more than Richardson did this off-season.

We do know for a fact that Richardson lost 10 pounds this off-season, and is lighter and more athletic than he was in the first place.

I'm sure that Jones worked diligently in the off-season. Richardson may or may not have worked just as diligently. We do know that he certainly worked on his physical health.

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[Hoopsdoc]

Tommy Devito played well for a month and then fell flat on his face. Lock went 1-1 in that season.

As i said before i don't think Jones is the saviour, i just think he is far more likely to produce something with a better supporting cast than he has ever had, than what AR has shown with this cast around him already.

I am not completely out on AR, he clearly has amazing arm talent and great running ability, but so far he has proven he can't read a defense, and that he is historically bad in terms of his accuracy!!

People keep saying how much potential AR has, but to me thats not his biggest issue. His biggest issue is he’s a running quarterback who cannot stay healthy.

Even if he figures it all out, we’d always be waiting for that next injury and we’d never have to wait to long.

[apballin]

I’m not sure what the gotcha is here. Less than a year ago Daniel Jones was playing scout team safety for the Giants and then was on the Vikings practice squad. He was not significantly better than the people he was replaced with regardless of where they are now. Right or wrong, if Jones wasn’t a first round pick he may be out of the league at this point. Instead he’s a starter. And yes I recognize the same may apply to AR in the future. That doesn’t change the point about Jones performance.

A lot of quarterbacks get benched for a multitude of reasons, you’re never gonna convince me Tommy devito is-was-ever will be a better option at QB then Daniel Jones

[Oldcolt]

What I thought we were looking for in AR was improvement, not that he somehow magically learned how to read defenses without actually reading defenses in games. AR clearly was better than when we last saw him. I thought we were going to take our lumps and try and develop the man. So after 15 games that's done? When Steichen now says what he wants is a great game manager who can identify and read defenses, how is it even possible for AR to compete with a 6 year veteran if that is now what you want? And if that was so important to Steichen how in the hell did AR beat out Minshew and Ryan? It seems like a rudderless ship just hoping that something works. No real direction, no plan.

[rm1369]

What I thought we were looking for in AR was improvement, not that he somehow magically learned how to read defenses without actually reading defenses in games. AR clearly was better than when we last saw him. I thought we were going to take our lumps and try and develop the man. So after 15 games that's done? When Steichen now says what he wants is a great game manager who can identify and read defenses, how is it even possible for AR to compete with a 6 year veteran if that is now what you want? And if that was so important to Steichen how in the hell did AR beat out Minshew and Ryan? It seems like a rudderless ship just hoping that something works. No real direction, no plan.

That’s my biggest issue - it is clear that there is no real plan. It’s a consistent theme with Ballard where the only plan seems to be to stay flexible and not commit. If they wanted AR to learn to be a QB in practice and develop slowly that would have been fine. Let him sit behind a Minshew or Jones level QB until he can actually beat them out. The team competes as best it can in the meantime. Or they could start him immediately with the idea he needs reps to develop. In that case you are committing to the ups and downs until it is 1000% clear he isn’t it. In this case they should have brought in a veteran MENTOR QB for him to teach him how to prepare. Someone who knows they are on the team solely to help develop AR. You don’t worry about their performance on the field because it doesn’t matter. They’ve done neither of those. There is no plan. The team has wasted two more years and likely have actually hurt ARs development just to still have no idea what they want or where they are going at QB.

[YDFL Commish]

There is something limiting AR, maybe it’s brains, maybe it’s work ethic, maybe it’s inexperience and he doesn’t know what he doesn’t know. Naive has been used a lot and I wonder if Jim forced them to play him.


Of course Jim Forced Steichen to play AR. Jim also probably forced Ballard to draft him. God love Jim, but in his last few years on the planet he became a meddling SOB.

[ChoppedWood]

They’ve done neither of those. There is no plan.

Ballard's entire tenure has been to snake oil a fucking plan to anyone and everyone that has held decision making authority- fucking repulsive. Every single day he remains employed by this organization is criminal!

[ChaosTheory]

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Yes, and neither one of us knows that Jones did that more than Richardson did this off-season.


We don't, true. But we do have some compelling circumstantial evidence in the fact that he lost out to Jones, especially considering Jones just got here and learned the system.

It's either evidence that he A.) didn't work as hard in that aspect, OR B.) he did work really hard but it still wasn't enough to equal Jones' understanding and execution.

Hopefully it was the latter (which I believe it was) and he can still blossom for us. If it was the former, he'll be gone.

[rm1369]

A lot of quarterbacks get benched for a multitude of reasons, you’re never gonna convince me Tommy devito is-was-ever will be a better option at QB then Daniel Jones

I have no idea, never cared enough to watch DeVito play. I’ve seen Jones though and haven’t been impressed. And I know statistically you can’t really distinguish between the two. To me that says much more about Jones after 6 years than it does DeVito. Switch their pedigrees and Jones is the scrub instead of the supposed savior.

[IndyNorm]

A lot of quarterbacks get benched for a multitude of reasons, you’re never gonna convince me Tommy devito is-was-ever will be a better option at QB then Daniel Jones

I never said that Devito was an overall better QB than Jones. The reason I have brought him up is to counter the argument that the only reason Jones sucked in NY was b/c of the talent around him. The fact that a rookie UDFA PS guy came in and performed better than Jones w/ the same players around him proves that Jones was very much part of the problem as well.

Also, to answer your question: Devito is still w/ the Giants as opposed to Jones who the Giants ate a $22M cap hit to run out of town.

Of course Jim Forced Steichen to play AR. Jim also probably forced Ballard to draft him. God love Jim, but in his last few years on the planet he became a meddling SOB.

I'm sure Jim approved of drafting AR, but Ballard w/out a doubt wanted to draft AR. His expressions when a team traded up to #3 and when he found out it was the Texans says it all. He went from looking like he was going to cry to jumping for joy. If you looked at Jim's tweets around the draft I actually think he preferred Levis (which obviously would have been a CF as well).

I wouldn't be surprised to find out that Jim had forced Steichen to play AR. Another thought is that AR was showing to be further along than expected so Steichen decided to let him play, which actually tracks to AR's performance in his rookie year before his shoulder injury.

[rm1369]

We don't, true. But we do have some compelling circumstantial evidence in the fact that he lost out to Jones, especially considering Jones just got here and learned the system.

It's either evidence that he A.) didn't work as hard in that aspect, OR B.) he did work really hard but it still wasn't enough to equal Jones' understanding and execution.

Hopefully it was the latter (which I believe it was) and he can still blossom for us. If it was the former, he'll be gone.

I think it’s the former. I mean I think he has worked harder and has gotten better in that regard. But I think it’s likely that the 6 year vet, who is likely on his last chance to stick as a starter, worked harder. For many that will be an indictment of AR. It isn’t to me only because I think It’s always been clear AR doesn’t know what it takes to be an NFL starting QB. I don’t think he’s lazy. I don’t think he’s entitled. I think he’s immature and naive. The team signed up to teach him that when they invested the #4 pick in him. There was nothing more important to the franchise than ARs development. And I have never heard anything to suggest they went out of their way to develop him. I don’t even see any indication they had an actual plan. They’ve never brought in a mentor for him. Which makes sense I guess because Ballard has never believed in vets mentoring guys. One of the many things that told me Ballard was an idiot and would take the team no where.

[YDFL Commish]

If Jones can have a similar season to Rivers, when he was here, and add 500 yds rushing, the offense will play winning football.

passing yds. 4000+
passing TD's 24+
interceptions 12-
completion pct. 65%+
fumbles 5-
rushing yds. 500+

[rm1369]

If Jones can have a similar season to Rivers, when he was here, and add 500 yds rushing, the offense will play winning football.

passing yds. 4000+
passing TD's 24+
interceptions 12-
completion pct. 65%+
fumbles 5-
rushing yds. 500+

I’m skeptical Jones can do that, but ok let’s say that happens. Then what? Do you commit to Jones and that level of QB play long term? Or do you let Jones leave to whatever team overpays for that production and continue on the Ballard QB carousel?

I’m curious why after years of defending Ballard not trying to win, always waiting another year to fix something major, for some guys this year suddenly winning the max amount of games possible is the only thing that matters. Future be damned.

[IndyNorm]

If Jones can have a similar season to Rivers, when he was here, and add 500 yds rushing, the offense will play winning football.

passing yds. 4000+
passing TD's 24+
interceptions 12-
completion pct. 65%+
fumbles 5-
rushing yds. 500+

And if Jones plays as well as Manning or Luck did in their prime then we'll be SB contenders.


I’m skeptical Jones can do that, but ok let’s say that happens. Then what? Do you commit to Jones and that level of QB play long term? Or do you let Jones leave to whatever team overpays for that production and continue on the Ballard QB carousel?


If Jones plays as well as this year as Rivers did in '20 then I'll be perfectly happy w/ us signing Jones to an extension and shipping AR off. Like you though, I seriously doubt that happens. I think at best we get Jones "good" year in NY passing and his career average in rushing:

3,200 yds, 63% completion %, 15/5 TD/Int; ~500 yds rushing and 4 TDs. Which is maybe just good enough to squeak us into the playoffs.

[rm1369]

And if Jones plays as well as Manning or Luck did in their prime then we'll be SB contenders.



If Jones plays as well as this year as Rivers did in '20 then I'll be perfectly happy w/ us signing Jones to an extension and shipping AR off. Like you though, I seriously doubt that happens. I think at best we get Jones "good" year in NY passing and his career average in rushing:

3,200 yds, 63% completion %, 15/5 TD/Int; ~500 yds rushing and 4 TDs. Which is maybe just good enough to squeak us into the playoffs.

With only one year of that big of a jump in production I would not invest in Jones long term. That’s the kind of decision that kill teams. He’s had one decent season (that didn’t reach this level) got paid for it and then fell apart. I have no trust he is a franchise QB. He’s at best the kind of guy that keeps you in no man’s land, winning enough games to keep you from finding his replacement while never being good enough to truly compete. And I think that is being fairly optimistic.

[nate505]

If Jones can have a similar season to Rivers, when he was here, and add 500 yds rushing, the offense will play winning football.

passing yds. 4000+
passing TD's 24+
interceptions 12-
completion pct. 65%+
fumbles 5-
rushing yds. 500+


If Jones can do that, I'll apologize to him/Steichen/Ballard, tip my hat to Jones for being able to do it, tip my hat to Steichen and Ballard for having the plan and vision to see it is possible, and hope the Colts re-sign him.

It would give him a 91% passer rating (assuming say 500 pass attempts), which would be close to his best year ever, and would be career highs for him in attempts, passing yards, passing TDs (tie), and a career low in fumbles per game.

[Discflinger]

Let's go!

[ChaosTheory]

If Jones can have a similar season to Rivers, when he was here, and add 500 yds rushing, the offense will play winning football.

passing yds. 4000+
passing TD's 24+
interceptions 12-
completion pct. 65%+
fumbles 5-
rushing yds. 500+

Comparable to his rookie stats of 3700yds, 24td, 12int, 300yds rushing. Unless he's shellshocked, I don't think it's outlandish to think he could replicate it.

And again, not to say I expect this caliber of ascension from him... But Sam Darnold had worse numbers than Jones, floated around, and then had an MVP-worthy season out of nowhere.

Jones wouldn't have to do all that. Hopefully he does... but he could have ok, efficient numbers, move the chains, rely on the weapons and compliment the defense rather than gas them and win games.

That could be enough for Steichen and Ballard to make the point(s) they need to make to CIG... Points being A.) finding a QB is a crapshoot and B.) that they can field a competitive team even with Daniel Fucking Jones at QB, so you'll want us when we hit at QB.

[apballin]

I’m skeptical Jones can do that, but ok let’s say that happens. Then what? Do you commit to Jones and that level of QB play long term? Or do you let Jones leave to whatever team overpays for that production and continue on the Ballard QB carousel?

I’m curious why after years of defending Ballard not trying to win, always waiting another year to fix something major, for some guys this year suddenly winning the max amount of games possible is the only thing that matters. Future be damned.

Pretty simple really, jobs are on the line, careers are nearing their end, and fans are fed up with incompetent play and self inflicted failures leading to playoff whiffs

[YDFL Commish]

Comparable to his rookie stats of 3700yds, 24td, 12int, 300yds rushing. Unless he's shellshocked, I don't think it's outlandish to think he could replicate it.

And again, not to say I expect this caliber of ascension from him... But Sam Darnold had worse numbers than Jones, floated around, and then had an MVP-worthy season out of nowhere.

Jones wouldn't have to do all that. Hopefully he does... but he could have ok, efficient numbers, move the chains, rely on the weapons and compliment the defense rather than gas them and win games.

That could be enough for Steichen and Ballard to make the point(s) they need to make to CIG... Points being A.) finding a QB is a crapshoot and B.) that they can field a competitive team even with Daniel Fucking Jones at QB, so you'll want us when we hit at QB.

Also, Jones rookie season was a 16 game season. He also has a much better supporting cast, than any of those seasons. I predict he can and will be close go those numbers.

[rm1369]

Pretty simple really, jobs are on the line, careers are nearing their end, and fans are fed up with incompetent play and self inflicted failures leading to playoff whiffs

Jones being just good enough to save this regime is my nightmare scenario. None of those things will have magically changed if the team wins 1-2 more games and makes the playoffs. The core philosophy that led to this point would still be in place with the same type question marks at QB.

[rm1369]

Comparable to his rookie stats of 3700yds, 24td, 12int, 300yds rushing. Unless he's shellshocked, I don't think it's outlandish to think he could replicate it.

And again, not to say I expect this caliber of ascension from him... But Sam Darnold had worse numbers than Jones, floated around, and then had an MVP-worthy season out of nowhere.

Jones wouldn't have to do all that. Hopefully he does... but he could have ok, efficient numbers, move the chains, rely on the weapons and compliment the defense rather than gas them and win games.

That could be enough for Steichen and Ballard to make the point(s) they need to make to CIG... Points being A.) finding a QB is a crapshoot and B.) that they can field a competitive team even with Daniel Fucking Jones at QB, so you'll want us when we hit at QB.

The most yds Jones has thrown for is 3205 in his 4th year. The only year he has ever played 16 games. To get to 3700 you have to extrapolate his highest per game average to 16 games. His highest average was his rookie year. Not really a comforting stat for a 6 yr vet. And a main reason he’s only played 16 games once in his career is because of injury. Same knock as AR just proven in even more seasons.

So the Ballard selling point is “after 9 years in the worst division in football, if I go all in, win now mode I’m so good I can make the playoffs. And my 8th choice at QB and a NY Giants castoff is better than the guy we selected #4 in the draft and have no idea how to develop”. If ownership buys that, the fans are really screwed.

[IndyNorm]

With only one year of that big of a jump in production I would not invest in Jones long term. That’s the kind of decision that kill teams. He’s had one decent season (that didn’t reach this level) got paid for it and then fell apart. I have no trust he is a franchise QB. He’s at best the kind of guy that keeps you in no man’s land, winning enough games to keep you from finding his replacement while never being good enough to truly compete. And I think that is being fairly optimistic.

Good point. Guess I'm too eager to get our QB situation solved that if he equaled the 2nd best QB performance that we've had in the past 10 years that I thought we should lock him up. A more prudent approach would be to franchise him and if he repeats said performance then sign him to a long term contract. Realistically this is a moot point though b/c the chance of Jones being as good as Rivers at any point in his career are pretty damn slim.

Comparable to his rookie stats of 3700yds, 24td, 12int, 300yds rushing. Unless he's shellshocked, I don't think it's outlandish to think he could replicate it.

As rn already pointed out you're incorrect on your stats as Jones threw for 3,027 yds in his rookie season and not 3,700. You also left off that he fumbled 19 times that year.

[ChaosTheory]

The most yds Jones has thrown for is 3205 in his 4th year. The only year he has ever played 16 games. To get to 3700 you have to extrapolate his highest per game average to 16 games. His highest average was his rookie year. Not really a comforting stat for a 6 yr vet. And a main reason he’s only played 16 games once in his career is because of injury. Same knock as AR just proven in even more seasons.

So the Ballard selling point is “after 9 years in the worst division in football, if I go all in, win now mode I’m so good I can make the playoffs. And my 8th choice at QB and a NY Giants castoff is better than the guy we selected #4 in the draft and have no idea how to develop”. If ownership buys that, the fans are really screwed.

Yeah, I think I already extrapolated his rookie year to 16 games and used that 3725 number by mistake. Point still stands... better than Darnold and some other redemption arcs we've seen in recent years. Not like it's a preposterous outlook.

The selling point is the same it's always been. I know it doesn't compute with you, and fair enough, it doesn't compute with a lot of fans. But the world makes a lot more sense if you don't bang your head against a wall and ask God what mysterious voodoo magic Chris Ballard has to keep his job this long...

This team has an offense that is relatively loaded with weapons and an offense line that is typically, year-in and year-out one of the better units in the league. We were top-10 in scoring with Gardner Minshew. Before the 22' bizarro-fest, we were 9th Carson Wentz. Averaged something like 28ppg with Rivers/Luck. They have, and have had, plenty around the QB. That's why he's still around.

So it may come down to whether or not one believes that finding a QB is a crapshoot or not. I do. I think the science of finding a QB is: if one is available when you have a premium pick, take him. And if you find a Wilson in the 3rd, Cousins in the 4th, or Purdy in the 7th, sometimes they can play and congratulations.

[CletusPyle]

After hearing the media slobber all over Jaxson Dart and hearing and reading some of the comments from the Giants fans I have to believe that nobody is more motivated to prove all the critics wrong than Daniel Jones....and I would love to see him show these experts that he was not the main problem the Giants had the past few years.

[Colts And Orioles]

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I really want this to happen.



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If that's the case, we can hope that Daniel Jones takes a page out of Jim Plunkett's career resurgence when he was playing for the Oakland Raiders in his mid-to-late 30's ....... play within himself, don't throw very many deep bombs, and trust his receivers with soft-and-accurate throws.

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[Colts And Orioles]

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


From 1971 through 1977, Plunkett's numbers with the Patriots and the 49ers were.


84 lllll. TD

117 lll. INT

49.3 ll, COMP %



From 1980 through 1981, Plunkett's numbers with the Oakland Raiders were.


22 llll.. TD

25 lll... INT

51.9 ll, COMP %



From 1982 through 1986, Plunkett's numbers with the Los Angeles Raiders were.


57 llll.. TD

55 lll... INT

58.2 ll, COMP %

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[Colts And Orioles]

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Granted that Plunkett had one of the best offensive lines in the history of professional football protecting him in his first 3 seasons with the Raiders from 1980 through 1982 ...... plus, the teams that he was playing for with the Raiders from 1980 through 1986 were much better than were the teams that he played for in New England and San Francisco from 1971 through 1977 ...... but I can dream, can't I ???

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[Oldcolt]

Comparing Jones to Plunkett it a huge reach (and an insult to Plunkett). Plunkett was an accomplished QB in college, won the damn Heisman. Jones has accomplished zilch in his career. For him to turn into Plunkett would be a miracle. Love your optimism and I get you are just dreaming but won't happen.

[Colts And Orioles]

Love your optimism, and I get that you are just dreaming, but it won't happen.





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I don't think it will happen, either. Like I said, I'm dreaming of the absolute best-case scenario ...... and if by some infinitesimal chance IT DOES happen, I can call dibs.






Comparing Jones to Plunkett it a huge reach (and an insult to Plunkett.)





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I'm comparing their failures in the first 6 to 7 years of their careers, not the resurgence/rebirth of Plunkett's career after that ...... that part is the proverbial dream, not the comparison. My comparison is actually Plunkett-to-Plunkett, not Plunkett-to-Jones ...... that's why I posted Plunkett's stats in New England and San Francisco, and then showed the contrast of those stats compared to the ones that he had in Oakland/LA.

And actually, I think that Jim Plunkett wouldn't feel insulted at all if he saw my post ...... I think that he'd be flattered that decades after his career ended people are still thinking of him, and pointing out how well the second half of his career went compared to how to the first half of his career went ...... "Can so-and-so (insert your QB of choice) become the next Jim Plunkett, and turn around an otherwise mediocre career after multiple years of relative futility ???" ...... I don't think that that is insulting at all.

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[ChoppedWood]

I heard a stat that DJ has three of the top 5 completion percentages in NYG history. I have not checked the validity of this.

If that is true, then the issue comes down to his unwillingness to throw the high risk, high reward, ball. I do recall a couple years ago someone doing a breakdown of his not being willing to do it. I think it might have been Orlovsky? This was taking place in that period where it looked certain Dabol was gonna get canned because of how putrid the Giants O was. The breakdown showed him throwing underneath when there were openings in the mid layer but he wouldn't throw it, and the thing being point out was his completion % was a mirage, that his conservatism was hurting the offense.

Steichen, since he has been here, has definitely gone hard after the chunk plays. Much of that may be a result of AR actually having that as perhaps his only positive in the passing game.

It is going to be really curious to see how Steichen adjusts to a QB that can hit the layups, but has no outside game.

After this pre-season, and in particular Leonard yesterday (yeah I get it was scrub city but that threaded rope to Treadwell was a legit NFL strike...), I do not have any idea why you would not move AR and end all the noise right now heading into the season. Just get a 4th or 5th and be done with it.

[YDFL Commish]

I heard a stat that DJ has three of the top 5 completion percentages in NYG history. I have not checked the validity of this.

If that is true, then the issue comes down to his unwillingness to throw the high risk, high reward, ball. I do recall a couple years ago someone doing a breakdown of his not being willing to do it. I think it might have been Orlovsky? This was taking place in that period where it looked certain Dabol was gonna get canned because of how putrid the Giants O was. The breakdown showed him throwing underneath when there were openings in the mid layer but he wouldn't throw it, and the thing being point out was his completion % was a mirage, that his conservatism was hurting the offense.

Steichen, since he has been here, has definitely gone hard after the chunk plays. Much of that may be a result of AR actually having that as perhaps his only positive in the passing game.

It is going to be really curious to see how Steichen adjusts to a QB that can hit the layups, but has no outside game.

After this pre-season, and in particular Leonard yesterday (yeah I get it was scrub city but that threaded rope to Treadwell was a legit NFL strike...), I do not have any idea why you would not move AR and end all the noise right now heading into the season. Just get a 4th or 5th and be done with it.

Even Minshew threw the ball deep on occasion under Steichen. If Jones doesn't produce the intermediate to chunk plays, then we know the problem is in Jones head, because he certainly has better arm strength than Minshew.

[IndyNorm]

I heard a stat that DJ has three of the top 5 completion percentages in NYG history. I have not checked the validity of this.

If that is true, then the issue comes down to his unwillingness to throw the high risk, high reward, ball. I do recall a couple years ago someone doing a breakdown of his not being willing to do it. I think it might have been Orlovsky? This was taking place in that period where it looked certain Dabol was gonna get canned because of how putrid the Giants O was. The breakdown showed him throwing underneath when there were openings in the mid layer but he wouldn't throw it, and the thing being point out was his completion % was a mirage, that his conservatism was hurting the offense.


That's definitely a big concern w/ Jones, and it's not just the high risk/reward throws. At least towards the end of his time w/ NYG he was refusing to throw anything other than checkdowns. I forgot who they were playing, but I had on a Sun/Mon night game last year w/ NYG playing. The broadcast kept showing time after time that there were open receivers 10-20 yards downfield w/ Jones having plenty of time to throw the ball, but he kept ignoring that and just throwing checkdowns to his RB. Even on 3rd and longs where completing a pass to one of said open receivers was needed for a first down. Hopefully after working w/ O'Connell and Steichen this has been corrected, but I obviously have my doubts.

[albany ed]

I heard a stat that DJ has three of the top 5 completion percentages in NYG history. I have not checked the validity of this.

If that is true, then the issue comes down to his unwillingness to throw the high risk, high reward, ball. I do recall a couple years ago someone doing a breakdown of his not being willing to do it. I think it might have been Orlovsky? This was taking place in that period where it looked certain Dabol was gonna get canned because of how putrid the Giants O was. The breakdown showed him throwing underneath when there were openings in the mid layer but he wouldn't throw it, and the thing being point out was his completion % was a mirage, that his conservatism was hurting the offense.

Steichen, since he has been here, has definitely gone hard after the chunk plays. Much of that may be a result of AR actually having that as perhaps his only positive in the passing game.

It is going to be really curious to see how Steichen adjusts to a QB that can hit the layups, but has no outside game.

After this pre-season, and in particular Leonard yesterday (yeah I get it was scrub city but that threaded rope to Treadwell was a legit NFL strike...), I do not have any idea why you would not move AR and end all the noise right now heading into the season. Just get a 4th or 5th and be done with it.

Just exactly do you think the Colts could get for AR at this time? No team would give up 4th or 5th. Do you really think that getting a 6th or 7th round in next year's draft will even make the team?

[ChoppedWood]

Just exactly do you think the Colts could get for AR at this time? No team would give up 4th or 5th. Do you really think that getting a 6th or 7th round in next year's draft will even make the team?

Not sure, and also not sure a 4-5 wouldn't be possible. Also, not even really concerned if a 6-7th rounder would make the team- though guys like Jones and Wohler give you hope that you can find that gem in the rough.

The kid has an enormous set of skills and is still younger than several QB's drafted this year. I have no idea what others may give for him though there has been chatter that teams have inquired. Push him off somewhere and if he becomes a star, so fucking be it, but the circumstances that have unfolded here, would sure as hell seem to indicate the Colts don't think that is a very strong possibility- if they did, the fucker is starting the season.

I would immediately move him. Shit is too fried here now, too much bitterness and I don't think Steichen wants anything to do with him really. There's going to be a TON of noise the minute DJ has a slightly off performance. Everyone is going to clammer for him to come in and throw the 60 yard streak strikes- everyone is going to want the juice if you will. A massive distraction is just waiting to boil over.

Leonard on the other hand carries such little risk. He comes in and sucks, you're getting what you expected and the FANS are getting a chance at another high QB pick next April. He comes in and somehow looks the part, well maybe you have a Purdy Esque situation and you can focus on building around him- with a better fucking GM.

[Colts And Orioles]

I heard a stat that Daniel Jones has three of the top 5 completion percentages in NYG history. I have not checked the validity of this.






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New York Giants history dates back to 1925. Stats for QB's in recent history needs to be taken with a big grain of salt when comparing them to stats of QB's that played a long time ago. Daniel Jones, for example, has a higher passer rating as a Giants QB than Frank Tarkenton, Charlie Conerly, and Phil Simms, and essentially has the same passer rating as Y.A. Tittle.



A) l Prior to 1974, a defensive player could hit a receiver an unlimited number of times down-field, so long as the ball was not in the air.

Starting in 1974, the most severe rule change regarding pass receivers and defenders was enacted ...... a player could only make contact 2 times overall, and one time beyond 3 yards of the line of scrimmage. This makes one appreciate what Otto Graham, Johnny Unitas, Fran Tarkenton, Bart Starr, Sonny Jurgensen, etc. accomplished. These quarterbacks all had most or all of their careers played prior to the 1974 season.

B) l In 1977, the rule was amended to aid the pass receivers again. Starting that season, a defender could only make contact with a receiver one time ...... whether it be within 3 yards of the line of scrimmage, or further downfield.

C) l In 1978, the rule was amended to aid the pass receivers yet again. Starting that season, a defender could make contact with a receiver only one time, and within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage. If the defender made contact with a receiver 6 yards or more from the line of scrimmage, it was now considered to be pass interference (and/or defensive holding), even if the ball was not yet in the air.



* l In the last 15-20 years (circa 2005 through the present), more rule changes protecting both the receivers and the quarterbacks has allowed offensive statistics to increase even higher than they already had been.

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[Dewey 5]

Just exactly do you think the Colts could get for AR at this time? No team would give up 4th or 5th. Do you really think that getting a 6th or 7th round in next year's draft will even make the team?

Raiders might give up a 4th or 5th. They are now in need of a qb2.Aidan O’Connell broke his wrist.

[Oldcolt]

Hard for me to believe you actually think AR is done here. He may be or he may not be but people have come back from much worse situations before. Steichen lies to us all the time, I saw a stat that about 30% of what he says is true (remember Ryan was our starting QB for the rest of the year?). Nobody knows how this is going to play out. We haven't even heard from our new owner on how she feels. And we won't know until she acts one way or the other. It is way way too late to give up on AR. We will need him when Jones becomes who he has always been.

[YDFL Commish]

Not sure, and also not sure a 4-5 wouldn't be possible. Also, not even really concerned if a 6-7th rounder would make the team- though guys like Jones and Wohler give you hope that you can find that gem in the rough.

The kid has an enormous set of skills and is still younger than several QB's drafted this year. I have no idea what others may give for him though there has been chatter that teams have inquired. Push him off somewhere and if he becomes a star, so fucking be it, but the circumstances that have unfolded here, would sure as hell seem to indicate the Colts don't think that is a very strong possibility- if they did, the fucker is starting the season.

I would immediately move him. Shit is too fried here now, too much bitterness and I don't think Steichen wants anything to do with him really. There's going to be a TON of noise the minute DJ has a slightly off performance. Everyone is going to clammer for him to come in and throw the 60 yard streak strikes- everyone is going to want the juice if you will. A massive distraction is just waiting to boil over.

Leonard on the other hand carries such little risk. He comes in and sucks, you're getting what you expected and the FANS are getting a chance at another high QB pick next April. He comes in and somehow looks the part, well maybe you have a Purdy Esque situation and you can focus on building around him- with a better fucking GM.

I would trade AR for 5th. A 5th of premium bourbon j/k ;). Seriously though, Dallas spent a 4th on Trey Lance, and he has shown no signs of life. AR, also has way more upside than Lance as well.

[Colts And Orioles]

It's hard for me to believe that you actually think that AR is done here.





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I'm not sure who this post is directed at, but I have been (and continue to be) one of Anthony Richardson's biggest defenders here on ColtFreaks. In fact, I think that it is a mistake to have Daniel Jones as the starting QB this year over Richardson because in the long run I think that we have a better chance at becoming bonafide AFC championship contenders by developing a very young, very raw QB like Richardson than we do than with having what is currently a middling QB like Daniel Jones.

So, I really hope that the Colts ARE NOT done with Anthony Richardson in Indianapolis ...... my hopes of Daniel Jones becoming the next Jim Plunkett is a pipe-dream, and very much a long-shot. I'd rather go with Richardson, and see if he can evolve into at least a very solid QB over the next 3 to 4 years.

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[ChoppedWood]

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I'm not sure who this post is directed at, but I have been (and continue to be) one of Anthony Richardson's biggest defenders here on ColtFreaks. In fact, I think that it is a mistake to have Daniel Jones as the starting QB this year over Richardson because in the long run I think that we have a better chance at becoming bonafide AFC championship contenders by developing a very young, very raw QB like Richardson than we do than with having what is currently a middling QB like Daniel Jones.

So, I really hope that the Colts ARE NOT done with Anthony Richardson in Indianapolis ...... my hopes of Daniel Jones becoming the next Jim Plunkett is a pipe-dream, and very much a long-shot. I'd rather go with Richardson, and see if he can evolve into at least a very solid QB over the next 3 to 4 years.

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You and I are in complete agreement on this topic. Given 100 chances, right now, I am taking AR 100 vs 0 to DJ. That said, the Colts have for their own reasons- most of which I believe to be very myopic and centered around neither Steichen or Ballard probably being given a sniff by anyone else for their legitimately "best jobs in the world" positions (because they both SUCK), are going the opposite direction.

In that case, they have decided he is not good enough to be the starter for this team. That says he must not be good enough to be the starter for the other teams in the league either in their view. So get rid of him now. 1-3 days of intense media noise, and then it's over. He is very likely a backup on whatever team he lands and only gets in with an injury / really shitty QB play and comes in very very cold for whoever it is, meaning he will likely not excel in the new spot, at least not this year.

To me, if you've decided the time to move on from him is now, then it is time from this point forward until eternity. To me, EVERYONE has fucked this thing up. So divorce, be done with it, swap the titles and fucking just move on.

[Oldcolt]

We will get to see what AR is mentally made of. Does he put his all into not wasting this year and learning as much as he can or not? If he does then nothing is written in stone as far as AR and the Colts are concerned. I have zero idea how likely this is since I don't know the guy. I can hope.

[YDFL Commish]

All in jest, of course. But still funny as hell!

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/14LDFfVuas4/

[Spike]

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I'm not sure who this post is directed at, but I have been (and continue to be) one of Anthony Richardson's biggest defenders here on ColtFreaks. In fact, I think that it is a mistake to have Daniel Jones as the starting QB this year over Richardson because in the long run I think that we have a better chance at becoming bonafide AFC championship contenders by developing a very young, very raw QB like Richardson than we do than with having what is currently a middling QB like Daniel Jones.

So, I really hope that the Colts ARE NOT done with Anthony Richardson in Indianapolis ...... my hopes of Daniel Jones becoming the next Jim Plunkett is a pipe-dream, and very much a long-shot. I'd rather go with Richardson, and see if he can evolve into at least a very solid QB over the next 3 to 4 years.

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100% agree with you C&O! Great post. As a long time Colts fan, I don't want to run with check down Jones and would rather see if AR can be the guy. I still think that Steichen and Ballard are just running scared right now, and I can't blame them. They are in serious trouble.

[albany ed]

I don't know, I can't see trading him for some remote future low round draft choice. Suppose in game 1, DJ gets a serious injury and is out for the season. Leonard becomes your QB and he's just not capable at this time. Not that AR is ready but maybe, just maybe he answers the call.

[apballin]

I have no idea, never cared enough to watch DeVito play. I’ve seen Jones though and haven’t been impressed. And I know statistically you can’t really distinguish between the two. To me that says much more about Jones after 6 years than it does DeVito. Switch their pedigrees and Jones is the scrub instead of the supposed savior.

Devito was cut as expected… let’s see if he gets picked up anywhere… I’m willing to wager his 2 minutes of fame are up

[rm1369]

Devito was cut as expected… let’s see if he gets picked up anywhere… I’m willing to wager his 2 minutes of fame are up

I don’t think you are getting the point. Devito is a nobody. That’s our whole point. Your defense of Jones performance is that the Giants suck, yet the nobody Devito has nearly identical success as Jones with the same teammates. Jones was benched by his team for Devito. NOT because Devito is good, but because Jones sucked. I don’t think Devito is good. I don’t think Jones is good. I’m not sure how Devito sucking is supposed to make Jones look good. Regardless we are real close to finding out on Jones. AR was 8-7 as a starter. Jones has, by everyone’s estimation, a better team around him than AR had so to me anything less than 10 wins for this team under Jones is a CLEAR failure. No need to bask in the demise of Tommy Devito, Jones is about to sink or swim on his own. We’ll see clearly if Jones is as great as you believe.

[apballin]

I don’t think you are getting the point. Devito is a nobody. That’s our whole point. Your defense of Jones performance is that the Giants suck, yet the nobody Devito has nearly identical success as Jones with the same teammates. Jones was benched by his team for Devito. NOT because Devito is good, but because Jones sucked. I don’t think Devito is good. I don’t think Jones is good. I’m not sure how Devito sucking is supposed to make Jones look good. Regardless we are real close to finding out on Jones. AR was 8-7 as a starter. Jones has, by everyone’s estimation, a better team around him than AR had so to me anything less than 10 wins for this team under Jones is a CLEAR failure. No need to bask in the demise of Tommy Devito, Jones is about to sink or swim on his own. We’ll see clearly if Jones is as great as you believe.

No you were trying to make the case Jones was benched for a better option, when he was clearly benched due to circumstances.

Jones is still a decent QB, we shall see

[IndyNorm]

I don’t think you are getting the point. Devito is a nobody. That’s our whole point. Your defense of Jones performance is that the Giants suck, yet the nobody Devito has nearly identical success as Jones with the same teammates. Jones was benched by his team for Devito. NOT because Devito is good, but because Jones sucked. I don’t think Devito is good. I don’t think Jones is good. I’m not sure how Devito sucking is supposed to make Jones look good. Regardless we are real close to finding out on Jones. AR was 8-7 as a starter. Jones has, by everyone’s estimation, a better team around him than AR had so to me anything less than 10 wins for this team under Jones is a CLEAR failure. No need to bask in the demise of Tommy Devito, Jones is about to sink or swim on his own. We’ll see clearly if Jones is as great as you believe.

Exaclty (although Devito actually played better than Jones in '23). Devito getting cut just proves even further how god awful Jones was in NY. Obviously hope he turns it around, but I certainly won't be surprised if he doesn't.

[rm1369]

No you were trying to make the case Jones was benched for a better option, when he was clearly benched due to circumstances.

Jones is still a decent QB, we shall see

Circumstances? Yeah the same circumstances that got AR benched. He didn’t perform at an acceptable level. He sucked. The only real difference is AR was drafted as a project and has 15 total starts. Jones has had 69 starts. Based on his performance I’d say he’s in line with the other non Philip Rivers QBs Ballard has brought in. I expect similiar results although he clearly has a better team than Ballard gave any of his previous QBs

[apballin]

Circumstances? Yeah the same circumstances that got AR benched. He didn’t perform at an acceptable level. He sucked. The only real difference is AR was drafted as a project and has 15 total starts. Jones has had 69 starts. Based on his performance I’d say he’s in line with the other non Philip Rivers QBs Ballard has brought in. I expect similiar results although he clearly has a better team than Ballard gave any of his previous QBs

Yes given a huge contract and expected to carry a shitty team to victories.
AR got benched because he wasn’t putting the extra work in it takes to be a high level QB in the NFL. Every coach and every former teammate Jones has ever had says nobody will outwork him

[Colts And Orioles]

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If that's the case, we can hope that he takes a page out of Jim Plunkett's career resurgence when he was playing for the Raiders in his mid-to-late 30's ....... play within himself, don't throw very many deep bombs, and trust his receivers with soft-and-accurate throws.

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So far, Jones looks even better than Plunkett did with the Raiders in the early 1980's.

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[Spike]

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So far, Jones looks even better than Plunkett did with the Raiders in the early 1980's.

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Yep, I was one who had my doubts about him. Through 3 games, DJ has looked damn good!

[ChoppedWood]

Yep, I was one who had my doubts about him. Through 3 games, DJ has looked damn good!

Crowe, Foot, Ass- just shove it all in my mouth at this point, I will happily eat all that shit right now!

[nate505]

Such a dumb move. Oh well, so it goes.

Such a dumb post. Oh well, so it goes.

Seriously though, I went in this season with some pessimistic optimism (yeah, an oxymoron, but whatever) thinking that maybe Jones could be a good enough game manager and the Colts would win games with defense and the run game. I did not expect him to look like the second coming of Steve Young out there.

[nate505]

I don’t get all the hate on Jones, just like I’m baffled by Colts fans love affair with AR. Jones gives the team the best chance to win now. AR can’t even protect himself out there.

I’m excited about this season, in my opinion this decision took balls of steel from Steichen, he knows who the fans wanted in there yet he walked in there and said Jones is the starter for the season. He’s confident in Jones and if this team comes out winning fans will jump back on the bandwagon real quick

Gotta give the man his due here.

[albany ed]

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So far, Jones looks even better than Plunkett did with the Raiders in the early 1980's.

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Hard to complain when your team is 3 and 0 and your offense is putting up 34 points a game on average. However, I'd like to see him improve his deep ball. Twice today he under threw his deep receivers. Once to Pierce and once to Mitchell. I don't believe it's a lack of arm strength, at least I hope not. He's the best we've had since Luck, but I still want improvement.

[DragonTails]

To keep things in perspective, the teams we beat are a collective 1-7.

Next week will be the real test against a real offense.

[Brylok]

It's a good thing I don't have gambling addiction or anything like that. I would have bet the farm the Colts wouldn't start the season 3-0. Not that I have a farm either, but you know what I mean.

[Hoopsdoc]

To keep things in perspective, the teams we beat are a collective 1-7.

Next week will be the real test against a real offense.

Good point, although I’d counter by pointing out that Denver lost both their games at the last second, today against the Chargers on a field goal. I think Denver is a decently good team.

The Titans and Dolphins are both bad but the Colts blew them out.

Edit-that said, I do think they’ll lose next week against a very good rams team. I’ll be interested in seeing how well they play.

[YDFL Commish]

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So far, Jones looks even better than Plunkett did with the Raiders in the early 1980's.

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Not a fair comparison.

[Colts And Orioles]

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So far, Jones looks even better than Plunkett did with the Raiders in the early 1980's.

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Not a fair comparison.





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I said that somewhat tongue-in-cheek.

And while it's not fair to compare the statistics of past quarterbacks to the ultra-protected/ultra-coddled quarterbacks of today, Plunkett had what was arguably the best offensive line in the history of professional football blocking for him ...... the Colts' offensive line is good this year, but they are not on par with the Raiders' offensive lines from anywhere between 1967 and 1983.

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[YDFL Commish]

So far, 3 games into the season, I would say that we have the best QB in the division. Who could have predicted that?

[Colts And Orioles]

So far, 3 games into the season, I would say that we have the best QB in the division. l Who could have predicted that ???





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Chris Ballard, Daniel Jones' mother, and not too many other people.

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[DragonTails]

So far, 3 games into the season, I would say that we have the best QB in the division. Who could have predicted that?

Yeah but he doesn’t start. J/k

[albany ed]

Let's see if DJ can keep it going, but after 3 games, he has the highest QBR of any QB in the NFL.

[Oldcolt]

My only real concern about Jones is his deep ball. Every one seems to be under thrown. It is going to bite us in the ass someday. I believe he has enough arm (look at what Brady had) but just needs work on timing. It does worry me that this is a major issue with him in his NY days, although he had almost zero pocket time there to set things up.

I would say that that is mitigated a ton by what I think is the most important thing and that is the growing single mind between Jones and Steichen. You cannot overestimate how positive that is for us and for them. They seem to see the same things out there. And what the fuck is up with this bullshit backhand 'compliment' that all these assholes give him of being a 'game manager'? What the hell even is that? How do they separate game managers from whatever they call a non game manager? It is just a way to depreciate what Jones is doing cause great QBs are NOT 'game managers' (again whatever the hell that happens to mean). Sorry, small rant

[Indystu2]

"...whatever they call a non game manager?

Anthony Richardson

[Pez]

My only real concern about Jones is his deep ball. Every one seems to be under thrown. It is going to bite us in the ass someday. I believe he has enough arm (look at what Brady had) but just needs work on timing. It does worry me that this is a major issue with him in his NY days, although he had almost zero pocket time there to set things up.

I would say that that is mitigated a ton by what I think is the most important thing and that is the growing single mind between Jones and Steichen. You cannot overestimate how positive that is for us and for them. They seem to see the same things out there. And what the fuck is up with this bullshit backhand 'compliment' that all these assholes give him of being a 'game manager'? What the hell even is that? How do they separate game managers from whatever they call a non game manager? It is just a way to depreciate what Jones is doing cause great QBs are NOT 'game managers' (again whatever the hell that happens to mean). Sorry, small rant


Solid on both points. I hope that this will improve as he get more comfortable in the pocket and his trust in his OL grows. It seems Like he only seems to have this problem in hitting someone running away from him. The first or second throw to Josh Downs was 30 yards or so and right on the money. Another throw to Warren was ruled not a catch and overturned on a challenge was underthrown:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tH12LxVA-Ao

I agree with you that "game manager" is as meaningless as "strip sack." As long as a game manager is managing to get wins, I don't care what words the talking heads squeeze in between comments about the Cowboys and Eagles.

[Colts And Orioles]

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(OCTOBER 5th)


I'm sure that Carlie Irsay-Gordon would love nothing more than to keep paying out more bonus money to Daniel Jones as the 2025 season continues to progress.



The Colts’ Daniel Jones Awarded Massive $400,000 Bonus

(By James Brizuela)

https://www.newsweek.com/sports/nfl/colts-daniel-jones-awarded-massive-bonus-10831094

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[Pez]

Wild, I guess that's in his contract, 4 wins, 400k... Mitchell should pay him for lost interest, it should have happened last week.

[Dam8610]

Wild, I guess that's in his contract, 4 wins, 400k... Mitchell should pay him for lost interest, it should have happened last week.

May he receive $1.9 million of bonuses.

[apballin]

May he receive $1.9 million of bonuses.

That for winning the superbowl?

[Dam8610]

That for winning the superbowl?

If it's $100k per win, that's 19 wins. Only way to go 19-1 would be to win it all.

[Colts And Orioles]

Wild, I guess that's in his contract, 4 wins, 400k.





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4 wins, with at least 50% of the snaps.

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[Colts And Orioles]

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(OCTOBER 8th)



NFL Week 6 Latest Buzz, Questions, News

(By Jeremy Fowler and Dan Graziano)

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/46518794/nfl-week-6-buzz-news-updates-fantasy-intel-questions-predictions



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What are people around the league saying about Daniel Jones' hot start ??? Are they believers ???


Dan Graziano: l Most people I talk to believe Jones can continue to succeed in Shane Steichen's system if he stays healthy. He had turnover problems early in his career, but less so in later seasons with the Giants. And with RB Jonathan Taylor running the way he's running, a strong offensive line in front of him and Jones' own ability to create plays with his legs, there seems to be a belief that the infrastructure around Jones is solid enough to sustain -- again, assuming he stays healthy. It does feel a little bit like the 2022 Giants season when they went to the playoffs with Saquon Barkley running wild and Jones gutting out tough, low-scoring wins. Except the Colts aren't a low-scoring team !!!


Jeremy Fowler: l Dan, the people I've talked to about Jones are buying the hype, though with slight apprehension. What's becoming clear with these reclamation QBs is that belief and confidence are powerful. Steichen is a skilled play-caller with a deft quarterback touch who happens to believe wholeheartedly in Jones as a player and person. That carries a lot of weight and has helped Jones rebound.

In New York, Jones was plagued by overthinking. He's playing more freely now. The Colts have helped him improve his footwork. And let's be honest, he's playing behind one of the best offensive line-tailback combinations in the league. That's a huge aid to any quarterback. I know the Vikings were bummed to lose Jones -- who has ideal size and a ton of tools -- in the offseason after his short stint there.


Dan Graziano: l Yes, the way the Vikings' season has begun makes one wonder whether they have some level of regret about losing him. But that's a story for another time. I think the best way to look at the Indianapolis situation is that Steichen seems to have a good sense of what Jones' strengths are and how best to lean into them while minimizing the impact of his weaknesses.

There's an easy comparison to be made to what Kevin O'Connell and the Vikings were able to do with Sam Darnold last season, and I think that's the template. Of course, the hope would be for a stronger finish to the season than the one Darnold had. But if and when that time comes, it should help that Jones has some playoff experience, whereas Darnold did not.


Jeremy Fowler: l There are a few areas of apprehension. Jones' deep ball is still a bit spotty. He is underthrowing some of those attempts, which resulted in a late-game interception in the Week 4 loss to the Rams. Alec Pierce's jump-ball ability helps bail Jones out at times, but he has been out of the lineup because of concussion protocol. And there's plenty of time (12 games) for a Jones gaffe that became a signature in New York to resurface in Indianapolis. Interceptions and fumbles were once part of the Jones experience. Can he prevent the turnover snowball when mistakes happen ??? The Colts believe that he can.

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[Colts And Orioles]

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(vs. CARDINALS, 10/12)


In what wound up being a big test for Jones, he came through in a game in which the Colts' defense was not good ....... yet another good sign from the veteran QB who appears to have resurrected his career with the Colts.

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[Thorgrim]

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(vs. CARDINALS, 10/12)


In what wound up being a big test for Jones, he came through in a game in which the Colts' defense was not good ....... yet another good sign from the veteran QB who appears to have resurrected his career with the Colts.

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AR loses this game by 3 scores easy.

[Hoopsdoc]

I thought Jones had one of his worst games yesterday. Threw a really bad interception and had another equally bad throw dropped by Budda Baker.

Both throws were awful.

[Oldcolt]

I thought Jones had one of his worst games yesterday. Threw a really bad interception and had another equally bad throw dropped by Budda Baker.

Both throws were awful.

Agreed. However he led two late drives for TDs and engineered a 80+ yard drive after his pick. His deep balls (especially the one to Pierce) were NOT under thrown-so in some aspects his game is improving. I was pretty down on Jones at first, thinking he was another guy to keep us middling. I was happily wrong. He is proving he doesn't need his best game, or the teams best, to win. Plus we are relevant, although I think Warren has as much if not more to do with that than anything.

[Dam8610]

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(vs. CARDINALS, 10/12)


In what wound up being a big test for Jones, he came through in a game in which the Colts' defense was not good ....... yet another good sign from the veteran QB who appears to have resurrected his career with the Colts.

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That throw to Pierce late in the game that got the Colts to first and goal was a franchise QB level throw.

I thought Jones had one of his worst games yesterday. Threw a really bad interception and had another equally bad throw dropped by Budda Baker.

Both throws were awful.

One of the markers of a good team is that they can win games where they don't play their best. Yesterday was probably the most confident I felt with the Colts down late in a game since the Manning era.

[Colts And Orioles]

I thought Jones had one of his worst games yesterday.





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That is true. Yesterday was Jones' worst game of the 2025 season ....... but that says more about how well he has played so far this season than it does about his deficiencies.

He was 22-for-30 with 2 TD's passing, 1 TD rushing, 1 INT, and a rating of 101.0. If yesterday was a "bad" game for Jones, then his floor is pretty darned high.

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[Colts And Orioles]

Agreed. However he led two late drives for TDs and engineered a 80+ yard drive after his pick. His deep balls (especially the one to Pierce) were NOT under thrown-so in some aspects his game is improving. I was pretty down on Jones at first, thinking he was another guy to keep us middling. I was happily wrong. He is proving he doesn't need his best game, or the teams best, to win. ) Plus we are relevant, although I think Warren has as much if not more to do with that than anything.





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I believe that it's a lot of things.


1) l Tyler Warren

2) l Jonathan Taylor (he has looked better than ever with his running, blocking, pass-catching, etc.)

3) l Daniel Jones

4) l The Colts' Offensive Line

5) l The Colts' Defense (they a bad game yesterday, but they have been at least average or better in their other games so far this this season.)


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[albany ed]

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I believe that it's a lot of things.


1) l Tyler Warren

2) l Jonathan Taylor (he has looked better than ever with his running, blocking, pass-catching, etc.)

3) l Daniel Jones

4) l The Colts' Offensive Line

5) l The Colts' Defense (they a bad game yesterday, but they have been at least average or better in their other games so far this this season.)


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None of the teams the Colts have played so far are in the top half of the NFL in terms of points per game. The Colts have yet to face a team with a prolific offense. The closest is the Rams who are currently in 16th place for PPG.

[Colts And Orioles]

None of the teams the Colts have played so far are in the top half of the NFL in terms of points per game. The Colts have yet to face a team with a prolific offense ...... the closest is the Rams who are currently in 16th place for PPG.




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Good points ...... thanks.

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