Not quite Brady vs Manning

[YDFL Commish]

I must admit I've been as much of Debbie Downer as anybody after Sundays loss.

But it's Wednesday and time to look at the positives. We should be able to enjoy many Stroud vs Richardson battles for the next 10+years. Currently they are 1-1 in head to head battles and are easily the two most exciting QB's to come out of the last 2 drafts.

Both QB's have their flaws. Stroud (holds the ball too long), Richardson (accuracy on short to mid-range throws). But MAN! is this going to be fun to watch!

Now we just need some playoff battles.

[ChoppedWood]

I must admit I've been as much of Debbie Downer as anybody after Sundays loss.

But it's Wednesday and time to look at the positives. We should be able to enjoy many Stroud vs Richardson battles for the next 10+years. Currently they are 1-1 in head to head battles and are easily the two most exciting QB's to come out of the last 2 drafts.

Both QB's have their flaws. Stroud (holds the ball too long), Richardson (accuracy on short to mid-range throws). But MAN! is this going to be fun to watch!

Now we just need some playoff battles.

Yes this head to head with both in the same division from the same class with one pick separating them, both with YOUNG overall teams and particularly YOUNG and talented WR units, this could produce a historical 1:1 battle that brings so much interest for both teams in the coming years. Should be a hell of a lot of fun.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

We should be able to enjoy many Stroud vs Richardson battles for the next 10+years. Currently they are 1-1 in head to head battles and are easily the two most exciting QB's to come out of the last 2 drafts.

Both QB's have their flaws. Stroud (holds the ball too long), Richardson (accuracy on short to mid-range throws). But MAN! is this going to be fun to watch!




If this does turn into a good QB rivalry, the Texans and Colts have David Tepper to thank. Supposedly he was the main driver of the "Draft Bryce Young" bus. There were rumors that Reich was enamored with Richardson (Ballard and his RAS scores must have rubbed off on him), but Tepper told Reich that the Panthers were drafting Young and Reich quickly fell in line.

I know it is only one game in a new Carolina coaching regime, but here was the summary of Young's day on Sunday:

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-winners-and-losers-bryce-young-falls-flat-and-panthers-get-embarrassed-by-saints-201403620.html

Young, who struggled badly as a rookie after being the first overall draft pick following the Panthers' monster trade to go up and get him, threw a bad interception on his first pass of the season. He threw a worse interception to start the second half, throwing well past an open Adam Thielen. The Saints turned that interception into a touchdown and a 37-3 lead. At that point, Young's line was horrific: 6 of 14, 50 yards, no touchdowns, two interceptions and a nearly impossible 13.1 passer rating.

Young padded his stats a bit after the game was completely out of hand, and the Saints rolled to a 47-10 win. Young finished 13-of-30 for 161 yards.

[Chromeburn]

If this does turn into a good QB rivalry, the Texans and Colts have David Tepper to thank. Supposedly he was the main driver of the "Draft Bryce Young" bus. There were rumors that Reich was enamored with Richardson (Ballard and his RAS scores must have rubbed off on him), but Tepper told Reich that the Panthers were drafting Young and Reich quickly fell in line.

I know it is only one game in a new Carolina coaching regime, but here was the summary of Young's day on Sunday:

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-winners-and-losers-bryce-young-falls-flat-and-panthers-get-embarrassed-by-saints-201403620.html

Reich also liked Stroud a lot too. But Tepper was reportedly saying they didn’t want to go down a Cam Newton path again.

[Hoopsdoc]

Reich also liked Stroud a lot too. But Tepper was reportedly saying they didn’t want to go down a Cam Newton path again.

If I’m being honest, I’d take Stroud over AR.

Stroud is REALLY REALLY good and he’s going to be a problem for many years to come.

AR’s ceiling is higher for sure, but there’s no guarantee he’ll ever reach it.

I’m just thankful I’m not a Panthers fan. Womp womp.

[YDFL Commish]

If I’m being honest, I’d take Stroud over AR.

Stroud is REALLY REALLY good and he’s going to be a problem for many years to come.

AR’s ceiling is higher for sure, but there’s no guarantee he’ll ever reach it.

I’m just thankful I’m not a Panthers fan. Womp womp.

Or a Browns fan. It looks like Watson was a colossal and expensive mistake.

[Hoopsdoc]

Or a Browns fan. It looks like Watson was a colossal and expensive mistake.

Wow, you’re right. I didn’t think about the Browns.

Now THAT is a franchise that is fooked at quarterback.

[ChaosTheory]

Or a Browns fan. It looks like Watson was a colossal and expensive mistake.

There was a Twitter post from a Browns reporter somewhere... I want to say they're still at almost $200m dead cap if they cut him this year. Still huge next year, and the next, and the next...

What a stupid fucking move.

[Brylok]

Or a Browns fan. It looks like Watson was a colossal and expensive mistake.

They should have kept Baker Mayfield. I never understood why they let him go. Dumb owner/front office I guess.

[Dam8610]

There was a Twitter post from a Browns reporter somewhere... I want to say they're still at almost $200m dead cap if they cut him this year. Still huge next year, and the next, and the next...

What a stupid fucking move.

Apparently the Browns may be able to void the guarantees if he didn't disclose all of his legal issues. At least that's what I read on the Athletic earlier.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Reich also liked Stroud a lot too. But Tepper was reportedly saying they didn’t want to go down a Cam Newton path again.


Carolina has pulled the plug for now. Bryce Young has been benched in favor of Andy Dalton.

Through this season's two games, Young has a 8.9 QBR - that performance ranks dead last in the NFL.

Dating back to last season, the Panthers have scored just 13 points in their past four games.

[BCN#1]

That sucks but damned glad we dodged that bullet the way some folks were talking him up as if he was gonna be the 2nd coming....

[YDFL Commish]

Levis and Young are proving to be busts.

[IndyNorm]

I think it's probably still too early for Levis, but agree on Young. In fact Young's looking like a Jamarcus Russell/Ryan Leaf level bust.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

In fact Young's looking like a Jamarcus Russell/Ryan Leaf level bust.

To make matters worse, Carolina gave up a haul in order to move up to the #1 pick in 2023.

The details are below:


Panthers receive:

2023 first-round pick (No. 1 overall)


Bears receive:

WR D.J. Moore
2023 first-round pick (No. 9 overall)
2023 second-round pick (No. 61 overall)
2024 first-round pick (No. 1 overall)
2025 second-round pick

[Racehorse]

I think it's probably still too early for Levis, but agree on Young. In fact Young's looking like a Jamarcus Russell/Ryan Leaf level bust.

Levis is old, for a second year player. He should be more developed than he is, given his age. The fact that he is 25, and AD is 22 gives me hope that we picked the right guy, and that Levis is what we see, and not a guy who can become a legit starter in the league.

[IndyNorm]

To make matters worse, Carolina gave up a haul in order to move up to the #1 pick in 2023.

The details are below:


Panthers receive:

2023 first-round pick (No. 1 overall)


Bears receive:

WR D.J. Moore
2023 first-round pick (No. 9 overall)
2023 second-round pick (No. 61 overall)
2024 first-round pick (No. 1 overall)
2025 second-round pick

No doubt, which is why I included Leaf in my comparison b/c SD gave up a crapload to trade up to draft him as well (and they only moved up 1 spot).

Levis is old, for a second year player. He should be more developed than he is, given his age. The fact that he is 25, and AD is 22 gives me hope that we picked the right guy, and that Levis is what we see, and not a guy who can become a legit starter in the league.

Agree that picking AR over Levis was the right call. I was just saying that I wouldn't throw in the towel on Levis just yet whereas Young is looking like he very well could be done.

[Hoopsdoc]

No doubt, which is why I included Leaf in my comparison b/c SD gave up a crapload to trade up to draft him as well (and they only moved up 1 spot).



Agree that picking AR over Levis was the right call. I was just saying that I wouldn't throw in the towel on Levis just yet whereas Young is looking like he very well could be done.

Young is just inexplicably bad. It’s hard to believe he was seen as a top player in that draft, let alone the first pick.

[Racehorse]

No doubt, which is why I included Leaf in my comparison b/c SD gave up a crapload to trade up to draft him as well (and they only moved up 1 spot).



Agree that picking AR over Levis was the right call. I was just saying that I wouldn't throw in the towel on Levis just yet whereas Young is looking like he very well could be done.

I am hearing that Calahan is extremely frustrated with him, and that fans are upset that he directly cost them the chance to be 2-0 instead of 0-2. The word uncoachable was used.