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Gimmick
09-13-2017, 04:00 PM
...since the Colts have had a head coach that was functionally capable of not beating his own team with his own stupidity week after week.

If Jim Irsay gave a press conference today and said Jim Caldwell and Chuck Pagano would be your Colts coaches for the next 10 years, what would you do?

Coltsalr
09-13-2017, 04:51 PM
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Spike
09-13-2017, 05:34 PM
...since the Colts have had a head coach that was functionally capable of not beating his own team with his own stupidity week after week.

If Jim Irsay gave a press conference today and said Jim Caldwell and Chuck Pagano would be your Colts coaches for the next 10 years, what would you do?

Caldwell is Einstein compared to Pagano.

HoosierinFL
09-13-2017, 05:35 PM
Caldwell is Einstein compared to Pagano.

If so then Dungy is Leibniz compared to Caldwell

Spike
09-13-2017, 05:42 PM
If so then Dungy is Leibniz compared to Caldwell

True, but my intent was not so much that Caldwell is smart, only that Pagano is one of the stupidest coaches I have ever witnessed.

Thorgrim
09-13-2017, 05:51 PM
True, but my intent was not so much that Caldwell is smart, only that Pagano is one of the stupidest coaches I have ever witnessed.

So Pagano is a potato growing in my neighbors garden while Caldwell is the retarded juvenile eating dirt in said garden?

Spike
09-13-2017, 06:18 PM
So Pagano is a potato growing in my neighbors garden while Caldwell is the retarded juvenile eating dirt in said garden?

Yeah, that sums it up pretty well. But a retarded juvenile is still smarter than a potato.

bertjones
09-13-2017, 11:22 PM
Love Tony but Ted was the last coach that I really was fired up about
and wanted to go to war with. It's been a long time.

YDFL Commish
09-13-2017, 11:30 PM
Love Tony but Ted was the last coach that I really was fired up about
and wanted to go to war with. It's been a long time.

I get what you're saying, but Marchibroda got way to conservative at critical moments and was too conservative as a whole.

I appreciate that Dungy allowed Tom Moore and Peyton to pretty much have a free reign on offense.

bertjones
09-13-2017, 11:40 PM
I get what you're saying, but Marchibroda got way to conservative at critical moments and was too conservative as a whole.

I appreciate that Dungy allowed Tom Moore and Peyton to pretty much have a free reign on offense.
I Don't know. He was one of the vanguards of the no huddle and if he had
a QB like Manning I think he'd have developed him like he did Jones.
And regardless his teams were hardnosed, hard hitting and came to play
every day. There were no softness issues with his teams.

YDFL Commish
09-13-2017, 11:47 PM
I Don't know. He was one of the vanguards of the no huddle and if he had
a QB like Manning I think he'd have developed him like he did Jones.
And regardless his teams were hardnosed, hard hitting and came to play
every day. There were no softness issues with his teams.

I thought That the K-Gun was really developed by Jim Kelly and the Bills players, and that Marchibroda just agreed to keep running it?

Don't get me wrong, I loved Marchibroda as a coach, but Dungy IMO, knew the game on both sides of the ball, and that gives me the edge for him over Marchibroda.

bertjones
09-14-2017, 12:18 AM
I thought That the K-Gun was really developed by Jim Kelly and the Bills players, and that Marchibroda just agreed to keep running it?

Don't get me wrong, I loved Marchibroda as a coach, but Dungy IMO, knew the game on both sides of the ball, and that gives me the edge for him over Marchibroda.

I thought he had a larger role than that. And back in the Baltimore days
Bert Jones credited him with turning him from a pumpkin to a jack o latern.
If Ted was so conservative its hard to see how Jones won the MVP in '76
and how that offense was one of the most prolific of that time. An ultra
conservative coach would have stuck with Erickson in '95 and wouldn't
have told Harbaugh to just let 'er rip. And defensively I'd put that '95 squad over anything Tony had in Indy. We'll just have to agree to disagree on our preferences, commish. It's just
how I feel in the gut. The one thing we can agree on is that we're nowhere
near those coaches right now.

Thorgrim
09-14-2017, 01:02 AM
I'm a huge fan of Marchibroda. If I had any complaint about his first stint with the team its that he and Szymanski had some horrible drafts after Thomas' ouster. As far as his return engagement I was pretty happy with him and was disappointed to see him go.

Kray007
09-14-2017, 12:42 PM
I thought That the K-Gun was really developed by Jim Kelly and the Bills players, and that Marchibroda just agreed to keep running it?

Don't get me wrong, I loved Marchibroda as a coach, but Dungy IMO, knew the game on both sides of the ball, and that gives me the edge for him over Marchibroda.

Dungy had an incompetent Offense in Tampa Bay and an equally incompetent D in Indy.

After the Bucs ditched Tony, Jon Gruden took the same team that floundered in the playoffs under Dungy to the Super Bowl and won.

I do, however, wonder how much of the problem with the failure to rack up more than one Super Bowl can be traced to Bill Polian's abject failure to provide him a quality lineup.

Draft after draft was wasted on nonentities like Quinn Pitcock, Ben Hartsock and Gilbert Gardner. In 14 years of drafting, he managed to pick exactly a dozen guys who ever made a pro bowl, and those include Marcus Washington, Cato June and Bertrand Berry.

Free Agency yielded nothing.

YDFL Commish
09-14-2017, 11:16 PM
Dungy had an incompetent Offense in Tampa Bay and an equally incompetent D in Indy.

After the Bucs ditched Tony, Jon Gruden took the same team that floundered in the playoffs under Dungy to the Super Bowl and won.

I do, however, wonder how much of the problem with the failure to rack up more than one Super Bowl can be traced to Bill Polian's abject failure to provide him a quality lineup.

Draft after draft was wasted on nonentities like Quinn Pitcock, Ben Hartsock and Gilbert Gardner. In 14 years of drafting, he managed to pick exactly a dozen guys who ever made a pro bowl, and those include Marcus Washington, Cato June and Bertrand Berry.

Free Agency yielded nothing.

Gruden gets way too much credit for that Super Bowl. In fact he doesn't win that SB without knowing the Raiders offense better than they did. Give Dungy Tom Moore as his OC in Tampa Bay, and I'll bet he wins a SB.

After that SB season Gruden pretty much ran that franchise into the ground.

Spike
09-14-2017, 11:42 PM
Gruden gets way too much credit for that Super Bowl. In fact he doesn't win that SB without knowing the Raiders offense better than they did. Give Dungy Tom Moore as his OC in Tampa Bay, and I'll bet he wins a SB.

After that SB season Gruden pretty much ran that franchise into the ground.

Yep, don't understand all this Gruden love at all.

Kray007
09-15-2017, 01:02 PM
Gruden gets way too much credit for that Super Bowl. In fact he doesn't win that SB without knowing the Raiders offense better than they did. Give Dungy Tom Moore as his OC in Tampa Bay, and I'll bet he wins a SB.

After that SB season Gruden pretty much ran that franchise into the ground.

The problem with the Bucs after the Super Bowl win wasn't that Gruden ran them into the ground. The problem is that everyone who was any good either retired or got old.

The 2000 Bucs had 9 pro bowlers, and they lost in the wild card game 21-3. Two years later, Gruden had 7 pro bowlers and won the Super Bowl. Two years after that, they were down to two. Exemplative of that was the fact that their starting QB in the Super Bowl was 34 year old Brad Johnson. Two years after his moment of glory, he was riding the bench, and the Bucs spent a decade and a half searching for a replacement.

You can blame Gruden for a lot of things, and I'm not sure I'd want him as our coach; but you can't blame him because he couldn't win any races with a half dead horse.

DrSpaceman
09-15-2017, 01:51 PM
And gruden doesn't get enough credit for the Raiders team that he beat that year.

I think most of us agree, they really should have been at least in the AFC championship the year before but were screwed over in the "tuck rule" game. Even knowing the rule at the time, as screwed up as it was, the call on the field was fumble, I STILL don't think it should have been overturned.

But thus was the beginning of Brady's luck ass golden career, helped time and again by stupid play calls, stupid clock management, missed FGs, bailed out by his defense, the list goes on.

ANyway though I don't think Gruden will ever go back to the NFL. He will be like Madden before him, call it a career early and announce for the rest of his life. I don't blame him. I'd take the millions as an announcer rather than the grind of a head coach.