Quick thoughts on the game

[Racehorse]

1. Those refs suck.

2.Minshew is meh. Not a plus to our team, and possibly a minus.

3. Brents better not be hurt bad.

4. PJ Walker is Minshew, but with a better supporting cast.

5. Taylor seems to be rounding into shape.

6. We aren't going anywhere this season, anyway. That said, we also are not gettinh Marvin jr.

7. Nelson needs that toe to get better, or he will never get to the Nelson we paid good money for.

8. Did I mention the refs suck? I usually just shrug my head at bad calls, but this game seemed to be us vs. Cleveland and the refs from the start.

9. i won't fault Baker too much. The first penalty was iffy, even if he was inept on the play. The second one, he definitely grabbed the guy, but the ball was so far above the WR's head, and so deep, refs just don't call a penalty there.

10. Yes, the defense should have held up on the final drive, but they were playing extra plays at the end of a game, and were probably totally out of gas.

Miss anything?

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

3. Brents better not be hurt bad.



9. i won't fault Baker too much. The first penalty was iffy, even if he was inept on the play. The second one, he definitely grabbed the guy, but the ball was so far above the WR's head, and so deep, refs just don't call a penalty there.



I was a little disappointed that Bradley didn't try at least one other alignment on D when Brents went down.

I would have liked to see Kenny Moore moved to the outside and Nick Cross as the slot CB for at least one defensive series in the 3rd quarter. And if it looked good, then do it again for the last series as the game wound down.

I know that Kenny prides himself being a slot CB - and he usually excels at it - but I think the game may have ended differently if he was there instead of Baker.

Supposedly the Colts practiced that alignment with Kenny on the outside and Cross in the slot a few weeks ago.

[HoosierinFL]

PJ Walker is not nearly as good as Minshew.

Also you forgot that the refs suck

[rm1369]

A few additional:

- Downs looks special. And I love the motion the are using with him. He’s definitely another weapon for an offense that needs one.

- Besides the refs, game was lost in last two minutes of half. Horrible play and worse play calling. Shane deserves credit for the offenses ability against a great D. He also deserves a lot of criticism for his play calling after Nelson was abused. And on subsequent possession. Gifted them 7-10 points with stupidity.

- Similarly the timeout for the two pint conversion was idiotic. At that point the only thing that mattered was getting into FG range in 14 seconds. 2 timeouts would allow them to use the whole field on two plays. A dump to Taylor with a chance in the open field was best option on first with Browns playing so deep. With one timeout it wasn’t much of an option.

- I love the way they appear to be trying to use JT more in the pass game. He needs to to earn the contract.

- Sucks knowing they will likely loose Moss. Hard nosed player.

-I’d criticize Ballard for the lack of vets in the secondary but that would feel like I was agreeing with the refs. Fuck that.

- Gardener was a great signing. Team was never going to go anywhere if he was the starter though.

- Team isn’t going anywhere this year, but they are well positioned for the future. Let’s hope Ballard finally agrees.

[HoosierinFL]

I just been doomscrolling Reddit. The entire nfl sub is agreement we got jobbed. What a shitshow

[IndyNorm]

Agree on the play calling at the end of the first half. We have the advantage of hindsight, but not working the clock at the end of the first half gave them an extra FG. Also, we were too conservative when we had the lead and a chance to put the game away.

And speaking of play calling, I wish Bradley would have dialed up that blitz that was super effective when they were at 3rd and 10 on their 20 on their final drive. Even if no one would have gotten home it still probably would have had Walker panicked and rushing things.

[ukcolt]

The refs were in the main fine, not sure what everyone is complaining about. Kenny Moore did not catch that ball, but should have, it was not a difficult ball to pick off, Buckner, great effort, but he did not make the catch. The helmet to helmet hit by Zaire Franklin, he was lucky to get away with. The penalty on Pittman was justified, what was he doing? He was even tapping his helmet, as if to say sorry that was on me, stupid play. The penalties at the end of the game, the first one i was fine with, poor positioning by Baker, the 2nd one as most seem to have said, was not a catchable ball, but it was a bad play by Baker that was pass interference if the ball was thrown within the field of play.

I am not sure who it was, might have been Franklin, on the final touchdown looked like it he tried to quite viciously grab at the facemask to try to stop Hunt scoring, after he had already crossed the line.

Have i missed or plain forgotten some other calls?

I enjoyed the game, other than the ending, i am not really sure how we managed to lose the game, as Cleveland's offense really did nothing, other than rip off the one big run and put together a final drive.

[CletusPyle]

The refs were in the main fine, not sure what everyone is complaining about. Kenny Moore did not catch that ball, but should have, it was not a difficult ball to pick off, Buckner, great effort, but he did not make the catch. The helmet to helmet hit by Zaire Franklin, he was lucky to get away with. The penalty on Pittman was justified, what was he doing? He was even tapping his helmet, as if to say sorry that was on me, stupid play. The penalties at the end of the game, the first one i was fine with, poor positioning by Baker, the 2nd one as most seem to have said, was not a catchable ball, but it was a bad play by Baker that was pass interference if the ball was thrown within the field of play.

I am not sure who it was, might have been Franklin, on the final touchdown looked like it he tried to quite viciously grab at the facemask to try to stop Hunt scoring, after he had already crossed the line.

Have i missed or plain forgotten some other calls?

I enjoyed the game, other than the ending, i am not really sure how we managed to lose the game, as Cleveland's offense really did nothing, other than rip off the one big run and put together a final drive.

Baker was horrible down the stretch, Shane morphed into Frank more than once, and Minshew looked a lot like Ryan at key points of the game....we had our chances and blew it!

[apballin]

Let them lineup and run the game winner….

Then call a timeout for the 2 point conversion… wtf is that

Soon as they lined up I’m yelling “Call Timeout “

[ChoppedWood]

I just been doomscrolling Reddit. The entire nfl sub is agreement we got jobbed. What a shitshow

Can't remember which one, think it was during halftime of KC game as they did the run down of games and the talking head said "Cleveland stole one from Indianapolis"... TRUTH

[CletusPyle]

Not that I am not happy with Steichen, but in hindsight, the Colts should have offered the head coaching job to Nick Sirianni instead of Frank....things might be very different now?

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Not that I am not happy with Steichen, but in hindsight, the Colts should have offered the head coaching job to Nick Sirianni instead of Frank....things might be very different now?


Sirianni was brought to the Colts by Reich to be his Offensive Coordinator.

Prior to that, Sirianni hadn't ever served as an OC - he had only served as a QB coach or as a WR coach or as an Offensive Quality Control Coach.

Sirianni wasn't being considered / interviewed for any head coaching position that off-season by any team, not just the Colts.

I guess a slightly different take to your question - was there any point when Reich should have been fired and Sirianni elevated to head coach in those years that they worked together?

[CletusPyle]

Sirianni was brought to the Colts by Reich to be his Offensive Coordinator.

Prior to that, Sirianni hadn't ever served as an OC - he had only served as a QB coach or as a WR coach or as an Offensive Quality Control Coach.

Sirianni wasn't being considered / interviewed for any head coaching position that off-season by any team, not just the Colts.

I guess a slightly different take to your question - was there any point when Reich should have been fired and Sirianni elevated to head coach in those years that they worked together?

Thanks for the info, maybe Sirianni is just benefitting from the extraordinary talent on the Eagles team, but he seems quite capable, hindsight is always 20/20 but we may have screweed up letting him get out of Indy!

[Colts And Orioles]

The penalties at the end of the game, the first one i was fine with, poor positioning by Baker ......






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Poor positioning by Baker ??? You mean, in that he allowed the Browns' receiver to push him to the ground ???



https://www.the-sun.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/6/2023/10/indianapolis-colts-screwed-two-controversial-854240668.jpg?w=620

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[Colts And Orioles]

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This article if from Sports Illustrated ...... whom as far as I know, don't have a dog in the fight.


Officials Hose Colts vs. Browns: When Will NFL Enforce Accountability ???

(By Andrew Moore)

https://www.si.com/nfl/colts/news/colts-browns-recap-officials-calls-nfl-accountability

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[Ironshaft]

Win or lose, I hate any game that ends with it feeling like the refs dictated the winner and loser.

Both the Defensive Holding call on 4th down to give them a new set of downs and the Defensive Pass Interference call to put the Browns 1st and goal from the one yard line were tickytack calls that could have been called on virtually every pass play in every game in the NFL this weekend.

The terrible icing on the cake was the uncatchability of the ball on the DPI call. Manute Bol dressed in basketball gear standing with no defender around him in the back of the endzone could not have high pointed that ball for a catch on the DPI call. It was uncatcable.

Refs decided who won and who lost that game. I really did not have a problem at all with the calls up until that point but on those two plays, the refs beat us. Not the Browns.

That said, we ended up with what I consider was the best outcome for the Colts. We played hard, were really close and still lost in the end.

I am not convinced that we are out of the Marvin Harrision Junior runnings! :)

[Oldcolt]

Win or lose, I hate any game that ends with it feeling like the refs dictated the winner and loser.

Both the Defensive Holding call on 4th down to give them a new set of downs and the Defensive Pass Interference call to put the Browns 1st and goal from the one yard line were tickytack calls that could have been called on virtually every pass play in every game in the NFL this weekend.

The terrible icing on the cake was the uncatchability of the ball on the DPI call. Manute Bol dressed in basketball gear standing with no defender around him in the back of the endzone could not have high pointed that ball for a catch on the DPI call. It was uncatcable.

Refs decided who won and who lost that game. I really did not have a problem at all with the calls up until that point but on those two plays, the refs beat us. Not the Browns.

That said, we ended up with what I consider was the best outcome for the Colts. We played hard, were really close and still lost in the end.

I am not convinced that we are out of the Marvin Harrision Junior runnings! :)

Been trying to put this into words and Ironshaft did it for me. Thanks. Losing gets us a better draft position but Steichen cannot lose the team. We need to go into next year running on all cylinders with AR, not with a defeatist attitude. So far so good. I do not think this is a lost year, AR and the Colts should feel great about how he played when he did actually play. Having a year to learn the offense can only help his development. . Love your optimism about Marvin Jr. Not sure if I agree but whomever we draft AR needs more weapons.

[njcoltfan]

Been trying to put this into words and Ironshaft did it for me. Thanks. Losing gets us a better draft position but Steichen cannot lose the team. We need to go into next year running on all cylinders with AR, not with a defeatist attitude. So far so good. I do not think this is a lost year, AR and the Colts should feel great about how he played when he did actually play. Having a year to learn the offense can only help his development. . Love your optimism about Marvin Jr. Not sure if I agree but whomever we draft AR needs more weapons.
This Colt team will win at least 5-7 more games, Marv Jr will not be a Colt unless CB trades up to get him.

[ChoppedWood]

This Colt team will win at least 5-7 more games, Marv Jr will not be a Colt unless CB trades up to get him.

Yeah Minshew is just good enough coupled with what is a pretty solid D to probably finish 7-9 or so. That's probably gonna put us in the 12-15 range. If possible, go get Keon Coleman from FSU- he is right there with Marv, huge, strong, and fast. No matter what we do with Pitt (I want them to keep him)- this next draft we MUST go get AR another weapon.

[Chromeburn]

Man the sports media is soooooooo afraid to say the refs blew a game. Mcafree is the only one who has been saying it and every time he mentions it today with a reporter opposite him the reporter is silent. Local media pointing everything out but the two end calls. NFL must have a long reach.

Thing was the Colts defense was holding. Browns were never going to make it to the endzone. Even when they hit the 1-yard line they only barely made it in on 4th down.

If the refs are going to do that, they need to do it all season and push MHJ into our lap.

[Chromeburn]

Yeah Minshew is just good enough coupled with what is a pretty solid D to probably finish 7-9 or so. That's probably gonna put us in the 12-15 range. If possible, go get Keon Coleman from FSU- he is right there with Marv, huge, strong, and fast. No matter what we do with Pitt (I want them to keep him)- this next draft we MUST go get AR another weapon.

It's a deep WR class, but after Marv there is a drop-off. I'm not sure what Keon's 40 time will be but I think it will be slower than Pierce and a little faster than Pittman. I think we have that style already. Not sure if that adds more diversity to the WR room. I think they would like more speed in there.

I think I would go defensive line if one of the top couple prospects is there then WR in the second, someone like Zavier Worthy who is 4.29 fast and can play slot or outside, can get yac yards. He has a track background and has great explosion able to get up to speed quickly. We haven't had that kind of speed since TY in his prime. He would be dangerous on a lot of the screen passes Steichen likes to run.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR3-qX4Rk2E&t=39s&ab_channel=FantasyFootballNation

[YDFL Commish]

This is a fun team to watch again
Steichen has replaced the stench of Reich
Is Josh Downs the best rookie WR out there?
Say what you want about Alec Pierce, but he blocks his ass off
I'm starting to sour on Gus Bradley
The turnovers have to stop
Hosed by the stripes just like always
Maybe our WR's are better than we thought. The Browns played a lot of m2m and we were winning our match ups

[ChaosTheory]

I had to rewatch because I was distracted in the 2nd half for a birthday, plus I needed to cool off. What a remarkable game. At any point in the game, just don't look at the scoreboard, and it honestly feels like we're stomping the shit out of them.

-Obligatory fuck the refs. Won't harp because the whole world saw it and the game still counts. Unbelievably frustrating.

-That aside, we lost this game due to turnovers. And people (not here) don't seem to understand that a turnover is the most valuable thing in the game. It's worth more than a TD. We gave them the ball in our territory 4 times (42, 36, 26, and a straight TD). Final sack was whatever at that point.

-Minshew was responsible for two. One bad pass in the 3rd with other options. And the first sack-fumble, he doesn't eat the ball as he's going down, he tries to get rid of it. Just protect it.

-That ^^ doesn't excuse Raimann from the first sack. He got absolutely annihilated on that rep by Garret. Just don't turn a sack into a catastrophe, Minshew.

-The sack-fumble TD actually looks like it was designed to be a triple-team on Garrett. TE chip, Fries passes to Kelly and works back towards Freeland, and Freeland is just absolutely lost. Hard to even say he got beat because he was so lost. Minshew did the fade-away thing he does and has no idea he's about to die.

-Nothing you can do about Garrett blocking that FG. Holy fucking shit, what a play.

-Offense looked pretty damn good minus the TO's (though only 2 were preventable). Run game was the focus, 18 rushes a piece for the backs, and JT showed up as a receiver. Great catch, too. Even Minshew got some runs. 40 rushes is way better than 55 passes for this team.

-Downs looks great. People keep comparing to Hilton, which I get. He strikes me as more of a Manning-era receiver. I like him a lot. All three WR's were effective.

-All sacks were on the OL today, unlike some previous games. Myles Garrett looks like prime Khalil Mack and worked our young OT's. Nelson got worked for a sack as well.

-Thing is... if we simply take the sack and don't fumble in our territory, there's a good chance this is a blowout. They gave up these splash plays, but it Minshew wasn't under constant duress. And the run-blocking was good. But that's the value of turnovers.

-Defense was actually pretty good outside of...

(1)The opening TD run: Jones was lost and didn't fill, Thomas was way too shallow and had a poor angle, and Leonard possibly had a shot but didn't take it. Pew! Goodbye.

(2)The final drive was super soft. PJ Walker made a clutch 30yd throw, then we left the middle WIDE open. Then the flag and the flag. Poor Baker had a nightmare final drive.

-Weird to say after 39 points, but the defense was kind of kicking their ass. The stats backup the eyeball test. Stats thread will be interesting this week.

-Aside from that opening run, CLE wasn't moving the ball.

-Franklin is amazing with his intensity and production.

-Kenny Moore was really good.

-Leonard is looking incrementally better. Still nowhere near $20m good without the TO's.

-I don't criticize Steichen for being aggressive. It wasn't the calls, it was the execution. If our rookie backup OT gives Garrett ANYTHING more than a pat on the back, Minshew releases that ball.

Sucks, but I said the same thing about Reich when he was aggressive and our players got beat. Don't coach scared and against your nature. Players have to make the plays. Thankfully, most mistakes are coming from our very young players who will learn and be better for it with their immense talent.

[ChoppedWood]

Michael Wilbon on PTI just said "The Colts got hosed, completely hosed, the league should be embarrassed by that" and Korheiser agreed.

Meanwhile Roger lays back and enjoys the Monday evening stroke jobs courtesy of all his made for television "official review" personnel.

Dude has made this shit so WWE...

[CletusPyle]

Michael Wilbon on PTI just said "The Colts got hosed, completely hosed, the league should be embarrassed by that" and Korheiser agreed.

Meanwhile Roger lays back and enjoys the Monday evening stroke jobs courtesy of all his made for television "official review" personnel.

Dude has made this shit so WWE...

Gene Steratore Is Roger's chief sphincter and ball washer!:D

[IndyNorm]

-Nothing you can do about Garrett blocking that FG. Holy fucking shit, what a play.



You can not try a 60 yard FG early in the 2nd quarter of a tie game.

[IndyNorm]

It's a deep WR class, but after Marv there is a drop-off. I'm not sure what Keon's 40 time will be but I think it will be slower than Pierce and a little faster than Pittman. I think we have that style already. Not sure if that adds more diversity to the WR room. I think they would like more speed in there.

I think I would go defensive line if one of the top couple prospects is there then WR in the second, someone like Zavier Worthy who is 4.29 fast and can play slot or outside, can get yac yards. He has a track background and has great explosion able to get up to speed quickly. We haven't had that kind of speed since TY in his prime. He would be dangerous on a lot of the screen passes Steichen likes to run.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZR3-qX4Rk2E&t=39s&ab_channel=FantasyFootballNation

That's a good point. What we're really lacking is a burner who can blow the top off the D. Would be great to pick one up for next season.

[Chromeburn]

I had to rewatch because I was distracted in the 2nd half for a birthday, plus I needed to cool off. What a remarkable game. At any point in the game, just don't look at the scoreboard, and it honestly feels like we're stomping the shit out of them.

-Obligatory fuck the refs. Won't harp because the whole world saw it and the game still counts. Unbelievably frustrating.

-That aside, we lost this game due to turnovers. And people (not here) don't seem to understand that a turnover is the most valuable thing in the game. It's worth more than a TD. We gave them the ball in our territory 4 times (42, 36, 26, and a straight TD). Final sack was whatever at that point.

-Minshew was responsible for two. One bad pass in the 3rd with other options. And the first sack-fumble, he doesn't eat the ball as he's going down, he tries to get rid of it. Just protect it.

-That ^^ doesn't excuse Raimann from the first sack. He got absolutely annihilated on that rep by Garret. Just don't turn a sack into a catastrophe, Minshew.

-The sack-fumble TD actually looks like it was designed to be a triple-team on Garrett. TE chip, Fries passes to Kelly and works back towards Freeland, and Freeland is just absolutely lost. Hard to even say he got beat because he was so lost. Minshew did the fade-away thing he does and has no idea he's about to die.

-Nothing you can do about Garrett blocking that FG. Holy fucking shit, what a play.

-Offense looked pretty damn good minus the TO's (though only 2 were preventable). Run game was the focus, 18 rushes a piece for the backs, and JT showed up as a receiver. Great catch, too. Even Minshew got some runs. 40 rushes is way better than 55 passes for this team.

-Downs looks great. People keep comparing to Hilton, which I get. He strikes me as more of a Manning-era receiver. I like him a lot. All three WR's were effective.

-All sacks were on the OL today, unlike some previous games. Myles Garrett looks like prime Khalil Mack and worked our young OT's. Nelson got worked for a sack as well.

-Thing is... if we simply take the sack and don't fumble in our territory, there's a good chance this is a blowout. They gave up these splash plays, but it Minshew wasn't under constant duress. And the run-blocking was good. But that's the value of turnovers.

-Defense was actually pretty good outside of...

(1)The opening TD run: Jones was lost and didn't fill, Thomas was way too shallow and had a poor angle, and Leonard possibly had a shot but didn't take it. Pew! Goodbye.

(2)The final drive was super soft. PJ Walker made a clutch 30yd throw, then we left the middle WIDE open. Then the flag and the flag. Poor Baker had a nightmare final drive.

-Weird to say after 39 points, but the defense was kind of kicking their ass. The stats backup the eyeball test. Stats thread will be interesting this week.

-Aside from that opening run, CLE wasn't moving the ball.

-Franklin is amazing with his intensity and production.

-Kenny Moore was really good.

-Leonard is looking incrementally better. Still nowhere near $20m good without the TO's.

-I don't criticize Steichen for being aggressive. It wasn't the calls, it was the execution. If our rookie backup OT gives Garrett ANYTHING more than a pat on the back, Minshew releases that ball.

Sucks, but I said the same thing about Reich when he was aggressive and our players got beat. Don't coach scared and against your nature. Players have to make the plays. Thankfully, most mistakes are coming from our very young players who will learn and be better for it with their immense talent.

Good stuff

I don’t like the TY comps to Downs. I understand why, but TY was a lot faster, he ran a 4.3, Downs runs a 4.5. Downs is still a good athlete and super smooth, he can open those hips and stop on a dime, great short area quickness makes him a nitemare for LBs. But he doesn’t have that breakaway speed. I was thinking more a Doug Baldwin or a slower Steve Smith. Shifty but not as fast.

I’m willing to be patient with Shaq, he did what few other defenders could do. Gotta remember to this is a new system for him. He was in Eberflus’ cover 2 not this cover 3. Different responsibilities. That said Speed is making a play a game. Gonna be some hard decisions soon.

I think we were kicking their ass too. We had more yards, we were moving the ball. Turnovers and the refs killed us.

[Racehorse]

Good stuff

I don’t like the TY comps to Downs. I understand why, but TY was a lot faster, he ran a 4.3, Downs runs a 4.5. Downs is still a good athlete and super smooth, he can open those hips and stop on a dime, great short area quickness makes him a nitemare for LBs. But he doesn’t have that breakaway speed. I was thinking more a Doug Baldwin or a slower Steve Smith. Shifty but not as fast.

I’m willing to be patient with Shaq, he did what few other defenders could do. Gotta remember to this is a new system for him. He was in Eberflus’ cover 2 not this cover 3. Different responsibilities. That said Speed is making a play a game. Gonna be some hard decisions soon.

I think we were kicking their ass too. We had more yards, we were moving the ball. Turnovers and the refs killed us.
The TY comps have a lot to do with his elusive nature. He is another ghost.

[Chromeburn]

The TY comps have a lot to do with his elusive nature. He is another ghost.

They definitely lose him out there. I think it has more to do with his similar height and size imo. But Hilton was an X receiver for a long time and the main receiving threat defenses focused on. Downs is a slot and the number two option at best on some plays. But we will see going forward.

[ChaosTheory]

You can not try a 60 yard FG early in the 2nd quarter of a tie game.

Well, I don't see why the timing should dictate. You have a kicker you're paying a lot of money, he's been pretty money from 50+, and he's got plenty of leg. If you think you can get points...

And it doesn't matter if it was an old school, 19-yard gimme extra-point... When a 6'5 cyborg leaps and completely clears the OL from a standstill, that kicker is fucked.

You remind me, though...

I meant to mention how huge CLE's kicker was. With the turnovers, it didn't matter that CLE couldn't move the ball. They still got 12 points from Hopkins on kicks of 44, 54, 54, and 58. Monster day.

[BCN#1]

Gene Steratore Is Roger's chief sphincter and ball washer!:D

https://eu.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2023/10/23/tough-calls-colts-may-submit-controversial-flags-vs-browns-to-nfl/71284729007/

'Tough calls': Colts may submit controversial flags vs. Browns to NFL for review

"Indianapolis may send both flags into the NFL for review, a process that both signals a team’s dissatisfaction with a call and also opens the door for a change in coaching points, depending on the league’s response."


Not going to hold my breath on the results...:mad:

[CletusPyle]

It looked to me like the referee tried to talk the back judge out of the PI in the end zone and he would have none of it!

[Colts And Orioles]

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This is off-topic, but I just wanted to report that ) JAFF ) is apparently OK ...... I was a little concerned because he had not posted since last week, but his user profile says that he signed in yesterday at 7:58 PM.


http://www.coltfreaks.com/forum/member.php?u=296


Regardless of whatever our personal differences are here on ColtFreaks, I am always rooting for each and every one of you to be alive and OK.

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[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

I was a little disappointed that Bradley didn't try at least one other alignment on D when Brents went down.

I would have liked to see Kenny Moore moved to the outside and Nick Cross as the slot CB for at least one defensive series in the 3rd quarter. And if it looked good, then do it again for the last series as the game wound down.

I know that Kenny prides himself being a slot CB - and he usually excels at it - but I think the game may have ended differently if he was there instead of Baker.

Supposedly the Colts practiced that alignment with Kenny on the outside and Cross in the slot a few weeks ago.


The beat writers asked Bradley about this alignment and he said they considered it but decided not to make the move because Kenny is playing well in the slot.

I wasn't suggesting it to be a permanent move - just a few snaps here and there depending on the game situation or match-up.


https://twitter.com/JoelAErickson/status/1716853506701766957

Colts have discussed the possibility of playing CB Kenny Moore II more outside, but Bradley thinks he'll probably stay in the slot in sub-packages because he's so valuable there.

[Spike]

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This is off-topic, but I just wanted to report that ) JAFF ) is apparently OK ...... I was a little concerned because he had not posted since last week, but his user profile says that he signed in yesterday at 7:58 PM.


http://www.coltfreaks.com/forum/member.php?u=296


Regardless of whatever our personal differences are here on ColtFreaks, I am always rooting for each and every one of you to be alive and OK.

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You're a good man C&O, I feel the same way.

[Oldcolt]

Good coaches put players in positions to succeed. Moore does well inside, not so much outside. Keep him inside

[IndyNorm]

Well, I don't see why the timing should dictate. You have a kicker you're paying a lot of money, he's been pretty money from 50+, and he's got plenty of leg. If you think you can get points...

And it doesn't matter if it was an old school, 19-yard gimme extra-point... When a 6'5 cyborg leaps and completely clears the OL from a standstill, that kicker is fucked.

You remind me, though...

I meant to mention how huge CLE's kicker was. With the turnovers, it didn't matter that CLE couldn't move the ball. They still got 12 points from Hopkins on kicks of 44, 54, 54, and 58. Monster day.

I'm surprised I have to expand on this. Even if you have a good kicker w/ a strong leg, 60 yard FGs are low percentage and high risk, which should really only be attempted at the end of the half/game or when you desperately need the points (down 10 halfway through the 4th quarter, etc.).

The much smarter play would have been to punt and try to pin them deep. Especially since they were down to their 3rd string QB and had only been able to move the ball against our D when they had inherited great field position (after the first drive of course).

Agree on the Browns kicker. Dude had a monster game.

[ChaosTheory]

I'm surprised I have to expand on this. Even if you have a good kicker w/ a strong leg, 60 yard FGs are low percentage and high risk, which should really only be attempted at the end of the half/game or when you desperately need the points (down 10 halfway through the 4th quarter, etc.).

The much smarter play would have been to punt and try to pin them deep. Especially since they were down to their 3rd string QB and had only been able to move the ball against our D when they had inherited great field position (after the first drive of course).

Agree on the Browns kicker. Dude had a monster game.

Sure, I know what you're saying. I just think in the context of our that situation with our kicker and our HC, it wasn't a reckless decision. There was a more prudent choice, but there always is.

We were lined up at the CLE 42 on 4th down. Field position-wise, Steichen has shown he's willing to gamble around mid-field on 4th down. Maybe you don't like that, which is fine. I like/trust the aggression.

So he's probably thinking A.) My kicker is one of the best and can make this kick, and B.) even if he misses, our D is playing well and CLE has a backup at QB... we can stop them even at mid-field. He was right, btw, because CLE had a 0-yard drive after that block.

The X-factor was obviously Garrett making a phenomenal play. I mean if he even touches one of our OL as he leaps over, it's a 15-yarder. You can't account for that kind of freakish play.

[IndyNorm]

Sure, I know what you're saying. I just think in the context of our that situation with our kicker and our HC, it wasn't a reckless decision. There was a more prudent choice, but there always is.

We were lined up at the CLE 42 on 4th down. Field position-wise, Steichen has shown he's willing to gamble around mid-field on 4th down. Maybe you don't like that, which is fine. I like/trust the aggression.

So he's probably thinking A.) My kicker is one of the best and can make this kick, and B.) even if he misses, our D is playing well and CLE has a backup at QB... we can stop them even at mid-field. He was right, btw, because CLE had a 0-yard drive after that block.

The X-factor was obviously Garrett making a phenomenal play. I mean if he even touches one of our OL as he leaps over, it's a 15-yarder. You can't account for that kind of freakish play.

Guess we'll have to agree to disagree. I don't mind seeing us go for it on 4th and short from their ~40 under the right circumstance, but the success rate is a lot higher there than on 60+ yard FGs.

Although if our D is shutting them down IMHO we'd still be better off punting since we'd likely get the ball back w/ great field position.

[apballin]

Sure, I know what you're saying. I just think in the context of our that situation with our kicker and our HC, it wasn't a reckless decision. There was a more prudent choice, but there always is.

We were lined up at the CLE 42 on 4th down. Field position-wise, Steichen has shown he's willing to gamble around mid-field on 4th down. Maybe you don't like that, which is fine. I like/trust the aggression.

So he's probably thinking A.) My kicker is one of the best and can make this kick, and B.) even if he misses, our D is playing well and CLE has a backup at QB... we can stop them even at mid-field. He was right, btw, because CLE had a 0-yard drive after that block.

The X-factor was obviously Garrett making a phenomenal play. I mean if he even touches one of our OL as he leaps over, it's a 15-yarder. You can't account for that kind of freakish play.

Hard to do that when THEY ARE HOLDING YOU DOWN!!!!

Go back and look at the block FG, 2 of the Browns linemen held our guys down so Garret could jump over cleanly!! Fuckin crock of bill Belicheat shit that Bubba pulled out on us

[Racehorse]

Has anyone seen an update on Brents?

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Has anyone seen an update on Brents?


Brents hasn't practiced yet this week.

Nate Atkins has reported that he is expected to miss this week's game, and maybe more.

[ChaosTheory]

Hard to do that when THEY ARE HOLDING YOU DOWN!!!!

Go back and look at the block FG, 2 of the Browns linemen held our guys down so Garret could jump over cleanly!! Fuckin crock of bill Belicheat shit that Bubba pulled out on us

Damn, you're right. Good catch. Replay with that angle is pretty quick.

Game looks better and better for these officials.

[CletusPyle]

Damn, you're right. Good catch. Replay with that angle is pretty quick.

Game looks better and better for these officials.

Gay has been nearly automatic, I have little doubt he makes that FG and the Colts win the game!

[ChaosTheory]

Gay has been nearly automatic, I have little doubt he makes that FG and the Colts win the game!

Yeah, and really we should've just been awarded the first down.

If we were in the situation we've been in for years going back to sub-prime Vinatieri, I'd feel different. Or if Gay gets a shot and ends up shorting some of these long kicks, I'd feel different.

But he's boomed accurate, mid-50's kicks with plenty of extra room. I trust Steichen to perform whatever calculus, in the context of a given game, and decide if a long FG is any more risky than going for a 4th down near mid-field.

I wouldn't think freak Myles Garrett blocking the kick is typically part of that equation (especially since even he needed assistance).