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Spike
09-11-2023, 10:59 AM
I've completely changed my mind on JT.

Pay the man, IF HE IS HEALTHY.

Not that I agree with how JT and his agent have gone about this whole fiasco, but pay him for AR's sake.

Ballard has shit the bed on weapons for AR, so now the Colts should pay the price for JT to help him.

The running backs we had against the Jags may be the worst in the league. Jackson should have been cut this morning.

Doesn't really help that this overpaid, overhyped o-line sucks.

I don't dislike Ballard, but I don't necessarily like him either. He's just meh to me.

ChoppedWood
09-11-2023, 11:12 AM
I'm in the opposite camp. Ravens for example could be desperate now. Miami looks like a super bowl contender, he could put them atop the AFC.

Now is the time to strike, get a windfall. Throw the ball around the yard developing AR and go into next year with the draft assets to load up at WR and RB both.

Oldcolt
09-11-2023, 11:23 AM
Either approach makes sense to me. I would rather sign him and play him with the Colts. We are desperate for explosive plays and he (if healthy) gives us that.

ChoppedWood
09-11-2023, 11:25 AM
Either approach makes sense to me. I would rather sign him and play him with the Colts. We are desperate for explosive plays and he (if healthy) gives us that.

My issue is why? If we bring him back, we probably go from 4 wins tops, to 6, maybe 7, which could have a big negative impact on draft capital.

This team needs a LOT of high end talent on the offensive end, in my view playing JT this year only hampers the ability to acquire that talent.

ChoppedWood
09-11-2023, 11:30 AM
The other piece of this. AR clearly needs MORE reps. With this RB crew, you tell them their only job is to protect his ass and you design a game plan that is
15 runs
40 passes

If you bring JT back you know that run count is gonna push 20-25 per and thus reducing his attempts per game.

Let the kid throw the damn ball, dgaf about his INT count this year, could be 50 and as long as he is being asked to stand back there and let it rip and isn't getting killed, so he can learn, so be it.

Oldcolt
09-11-2023, 11:53 AM
My why is because he is a physical freak that will be hard, if not near impossible , to duplicate. Second I don’t want to see two high safeties all year, I think that will stifle both AR’s and Pierce’s development (I’m not sure it will help with Pierce but it cannot hurt). Your points as to why we should trade him are spot on, I think there are two sides and it isn’t an easy choice.

Brylok
09-11-2023, 11:54 AM
Fuck Jonathan Taylor. Dude walked out on his team and fans. Colts should have waived him.

Spike
09-11-2023, 12:11 PM
Fuck Jonathan Taylor. Dude walked out on his team and fans. Colts should have waived him.

My concern is for AR, not JT.

Brylok
09-11-2023, 12:41 PM
My concern is for AR, not JT.

I feel you, but we can't pay Taylor $16+M/year. Just can't.
Different subject: how about Trevor Lawrence telling Richardson to protect himself better? I like Lawrence a lot. He looks like a pretty boy douchebag, but I like him. Too bad he's a Jag.

Spike
09-11-2023, 01:15 PM
I feel you, but we can't pay Taylor $16+M/year. Just can't.
Different subject: how about Trevor Lawrence telling Richardson to protect himself better? I like Lawrence a lot. He looks like a pretty boy douchebag, but I like him. Too bad he's a Jag.

First I heard this. Classy thing from Trevor! I like the guy too.

Contrary to what Dam believes about him, I was sick when the Jags drafted him.

omahacolt
09-11-2023, 01:37 PM
Fuck Jonathan Taylor. Dude walked out on his team and fans. Colts should have waived him.

thats absurd

omahacolt
09-11-2023, 01:38 PM
I feel you, but we can't pay Taylor $16+M/year. Just can't.
Different subject: how about Trevor Lawrence telling Richardson to protect himself better? I like Lawrence a lot. He looks like a pretty boy douchebag, but I like him. Too bad he's a Jag.

pretty boy?


dude is ugly as piss

ChaosTheory
09-11-2023, 02:03 PM
JT would be nice to have. A nice haul from an overpaying trade partner would also be nice. Both are better than him wasting his and the team's time.

But I'll be pissed if they reward him with a dumb deal or settle for less than they should in a trade. I'm relatively confident that won't happen as it's against their nature.

Main thing, though... JT likely wouldn't have fared much better yesterday. Hopefully AR develops and forces the D to loosen up. Also, they'll need time to adjust to this scheme as well as hit their natural stride in the season, which happens every year...

Jonathan Taylor in the first three games of 2021:

17att, 56yds, 0tds
15att, 51yds, 0tds
10att, 64yds, 0tds

Then he took off. Don't panic yet.

Spike
09-11-2023, 02:16 PM
JT would be nice to have. A nice haul from an overpaying trade partner would also be nice. Both are better than him wasting his and the team's time.

But I'll be pissed if they reward him with a dumb deal or settle for less than they should in a trade. I'm relatively confident that won't happen as it's against their nature.

Main thing, though... JT likely wouldn't have fared much better yesterday. Hopefully AR develops and forces the D to loosen up. Also, they'll need time to adjust to this scheme as well as hit their natural stride in the season, which happens every year...

Jonathan Taylor in the first three games of 2021:

17att, 56yds, 0tds
15att, 51yds, 0tds
10att, 64yds, 0tds

Then he took off. Don't panic yet.

Jackson had 13 carries for 14 yards and fumbled twice. I will panic if they keep playing this hack.

25 total yards from the 3 backs pretty much sucks ass.

ChaosTheory
09-11-2023, 02:27 PM
Jackson had 13 carries for 14 yards and fumbled twice. I will panic if they keep playing this hack.

25 total yards from the 3 backs pretty much sucks ass.

It was bad. That's worse I think I've seen from him. But our top 2 guys were unavailable and the hopeful rookie went out and promptly got hurt as well.

Other factors contributed. I just don't think JT being in there and getting 45-50yds would make you feel any better.

JAFF
09-11-2023, 02:35 PM
My concern is for AR, not JT.

If the colts can run the ball with JT, it gives AR some cover, the opposition has another problem.

Spike
09-11-2023, 02:42 PM
It was bad. That's worse I think I've seen from him. But our top 2 guys were unavailable and the hopeful rookie went out and promptly got hurt as well.

Other factors contributed. I just don't think JT being in there and getting 45-50yds would make you feel any better.

It's not about me feeling better, it's about AR feeling better.

JT changes the dynamics of the offense and I think AR would feel a whole lot better with JT in there. None of those backs we had put any fear into the defense whatsoever. Outside of Pittman, what other offensive weapons do we have?

JT is a stud when healthy and the 3 backs we had in vs. the Jags are practice squad guys at best.

ChaosTheory
09-11-2023, 03:14 PM
It's not about me feeling better, it's about AR feeling better.

JT changes the dynamics of the offense and I think AR would feel a whole lot better with JT in there. None of those backs we had put any fear into the defense whatsoever. Outside of Pittman, what other offensive weapons do we have?

JT is a stud when healthy and the 3 backs we had in vs. the Jags are practice squad guys at best.

Sure, I meant "you" as a euphemism, not you personally. I'm not arguing that JT would be an improvement. I've always acknowledged what he brings. I just think there's more to this early performance and it's going to take time regardless. Rookie HC, rookie QB, new scheme, lots of injuries.

As for our weapons... I'm not down on them like some guys are. I think Moss is a good back, I like our young TE's (Granson, Woods, and Ogletree), and I still like Pierce's potential along with Josh Downs.

As AR develops, things will look better across the board.

Hoopsdoc
09-11-2023, 04:10 PM
My issue is why? If we bring him back, we probably go from 4 wins tops, to 6, maybe 7, which could have a big negative impact on draft capital.

This team needs a LOT of high end talent on the offensive end, in my view playing JT this year only hampers the ability to acquire that talent.

This.

If JT isn’t in your long term plans, then nothing that happened yesterday should change that. You don’t cave to Taylor because Deon Jackson had an awful game. That’s not how good organizations operate.

Plus, we’re not winning anything WITH Taylor. Not this year.

Brylok
09-11-2023, 04:11 PM
pretty boy?


dude is ugly as piss

The flowing locks though!

Brylok
09-11-2023, 04:12 PM
First I heard this. Classy thing from Trevor! I like the guy too.

Contrary to what Dam believes about him, I was sick when the Jags drafted him.

I think it was on the early show with Kevin Bowen. They had the audio. I assume it's on the podcast.

Racehorse
09-11-2023, 04:39 PM
The flowing locks though!

Those flowing locks seem chopped off weirdly to me.

Kray007
09-11-2023, 05:15 PM
Fuck Jonathan Taylor. Dude walked out on his team and fans. Colts should have waived him.

Teams and players get involved with salary disputes all the time. Sometimes, they get ugly. I don’t like the way Taylor has gone about this, but, if I’m the GM, I don’t trade my best Offensive player for a bag of balls.

CletusPyle
09-11-2023, 07:59 PM
Zach Moss and Evan Hull could make us forget about JT! Not sure if JT has hired a gypsy to put hexes on all our RBs or not, but if those two get healthy the Colts will be just fine with or without JT!

Racehorse
09-11-2023, 08:13 PM
Zach Moss and Evan Hull could make us forget about JT! Not sure if JT has hired a gypsy to put hexes on all our RBs or not, but if those two get healthy the Colts will be just fine with or without JT!

I hope you are right, but Taylor is a special RB...when healthy.

Butter
09-11-2023, 11:53 PM
Zach Moss and Evan Hull could make us forget about JT! Not sure if JT has hired a gypsy to put hexes on all our RBs or not, but if those two get healthy the Colts will be just fine with or without JT!

I doubt it, I think they could be fine, but JT is much better if he returns to health. I still don't want to pay him what he is rumored to want.

Oldcolt
09-12-2023, 08:52 AM
I agree he is asking for a lot. Most of us would be fine with 12 million but think 16 million is to much. In this league 4 million is next to nothing, I personally am caring less and less how much of Jim's money JT gets.

Chromeburn
09-12-2023, 01:15 PM
I agree he is asking for a lot. Most of us would be fine with 12 million but think 16 million is to much. In this league 4 million is next to nothing, I personally am caring less and less how much of Jim's money JT gets.

12 is essentially the franchise tag price.

Oldcolt
09-12-2023, 02:26 PM
Yes it is and everyone would be happy with that as his salary next year. With a cap of 225 million (224.8) is it really worth it to lose the only explosive player (besides AR) we have on offense? To me it isn't so much about the running back position (but on that front it sure would have been nice to actually have a chance at running out the clock) but about where are you going to get explosive offensive plays from. Don't let pride get in the way of this boys, that's on both sides.

CletusPyle
09-12-2023, 03:06 PM
Yes it is and everyone would be happy with that as his salary next year. With a cap of 225 million (224.8) is it really worth it to lose the only explosive player (besides AR) we have on offense? To me it isn't so much about the running back position (but on that front it sure would have been nice to actually have a chance at running out the clock) but about where are you going to get explosive offensive plays from. Don't let pride get in the way of this boys, that's on both sides.

I still think they trade him...not sure if the relationship can be healed at this point?

YDFL Commish
09-12-2023, 04:43 PM
I'm on the fence on this one. Pay him so we can win just enough to fall out of the MHJ sweepstakes or trade him to ensure we have the draft capital to ensure that we get MHJ?

Although with JT and MHJ with Richardson, we would have our triplets.

Colts And Orioles
09-12-2023, 10:43 PM
I still think that they trade him ...... l I'm not sure if the relationship can be healed at this point ???





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In the world of professional sports, you'd be surprised at what can be healed with some money and some hunger for recognition.

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Colts And Orioles
09-25-2023, 01:08 PM
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The concentration and coordination on this TD-catch by Zack Moss was exemplary.



https://twitter.com/i/status/1706003532619325706





https://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/idahostatejournal.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/b/49/b49862b0-4e58-5f7d-b86e-12f72e4c8f2e/6510a64422a86.image.jpg?resize=500%2C350

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CletusPyle
09-25-2023, 03:46 PM
It's time for Ballard to earn his money and get this JT situation resolved now!

JAFF
09-25-2023, 04:13 PM
It's time for Ballard to earn his money and get this JT situation resolved now!

It takes 2 for a deal. JT needs to pass a physical. Remember, the is a salary cap.

Butter
09-26-2023, 09:58 PM
It's time for Ballard to earn his money and get this JT situation resolved now!

Shit take, after watching Moss go off JT needs to stop being a bitch and earn the contract he still has, then when can talk about a new one.

CletusPyle
09-26-2023, 10:32 PM
Shit take, after watching Moss go off JT needs to stop being a bitch and earn the contract he still has, then when can talk about a new one.

I didn't say anything about an extension...I am saying that he needs to get this resolved. If JT comes back in week 5 we need him committed to this team! A healthy and happy JT can take this team to the playoffs, Ballard should be able to sit down with him and sell him on the idea that playing this season all out for the Colts is in his best interest. If he cannot get him to buy in, then trade his ass, but just having him pouting on the sidelines is going to be bad for this team!

Indystu2
09-26-2023, 10:38 PM
I didn't say anything about an extension...I am saying that he needs to get this resolved. If JT comes back in week 5 we need him committed to this team! A healthy and happy JT can take this team to the playoffs, Ballard should be able to sit down with him and sell him on the idea that playing this season all out for the Colts is in his best interest. If he cannot get him to buy in, then trade his ass, but just having him pouting on the sidelines is going to be bad for this team!

Agreed. If he comes back and he is not 100% on board, he is more harm than good. We do not need a cancer in the locker room. I want him back, I want him to be all in, I want him to add to the crazy chemistry this team has right now.

Oldcolt
09-27-2023, 07:07 AM
Not worried about JT being a locker room cancer for several reasons. Big one is Steichen. Dude would not put up with it. Another is that this is now ARs team, not his. Third reason is that we are winning. People are happy and upbeat on the team. One guy is incapable of screwing this up (last year was a different animal). On top of that I just don’t see JT trying to do that. His only play is to come back with a vengeance and show he is the same back he used to be.

Ironshaft
09-27-2023, 08:41 AM
His only play is to come back with a vengeance and show he is the same back he used to be.
To be accurate, his only GOOD play is to come back with a vengeance and show he is the samke back he used to be.

He has many, many BAD plays to make if he so chooses. And life has taught me that folks often choose bad plays over good plays.

IndyNorm
09-27-2023, 08:40 PM
To be accurate, his only GOOD play is to come back with a vengeance and show he is the samke back he used to be.

He has many, many BAD plays to make if he so chooses. And life has taught me that folks often choose bad plays over good plays.

And JT looks like he's going to continue to make bad plays :cool:

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2023/09/27/indianapolis-colts-jonathan-taylor-news-holdout-injury-still-doesnt-want-to-play/?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR21MI87QSfea5iRds830XdBvWWGmTLl96KbRnSgd XP9s9L1VBfsM9ABz4U

ChoppedWood
09-27-2023, 09:18 PM
And JT looks like he's going to continue to make bad plays :cool:

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2023/09/27/indianapolis-colts-jonathan-taylor-news-holdout-injury-still-doesnt-want-to-play/?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR21MI87QSfea5iRds830XdBvWWGmTLl96KbRnSgd XP9s9L1VBfsM9ABz4U

NFI this punk ass and send him to the shithole of NFL careers. F him.

Mr. Session
09-28-2023, 04:29 AM
I guess Jon will need to have a pretty damn good 6 game stretch here.

Keep his ass on the bench until week 12. He needs to prove he's in football shape and show he can function in the offense.

Hoopsdoc
09-28-2023, 04:53 AM
And JT looks like he's going to continue to make bad plays :cool:

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2023/09/27/indianapolis-colts-jonathan-taylor-news-holdout-injury-still-doesnt-want-to-play/?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR21MI87QSfea5iRds830XdBvWWGmTLl96KbRnSgd XP9s9L1VBfsM9ABz4U

It’s pretty obviously personal at this point, if that’s accurate. As in, there’s nothing for Taylor to gain from a leverage standpoint by continuing to hold out. Not with Moss playing as well as he has and the team actually winning. He just looks like a jackass.

I’m seriously starting to dislike this guy.

Oldcolt
09-28-2023, 06:38 AM
Don’t know the guy myself but maybe he puts the financial stability of his family above making us happy. I want him on the field for us or a trade for a number one draft choice. Personally it isn’t my money, we have plenty under the cap and we give contract extensions to it seems like everyone else on the team (guard, snapper, linebacker-its a long list). Find a way Irsay/Ballard and don’t let your damn egos make this impossible.

Racehorse
09-28-2023, 07:15 AM
And JT looks like he's going to continue to make bad plays :cool:

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2023/09/27/indianapolis-colts-jonathan-taylor-news-holdout-injury-still-doesnt-want-to-play/?utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=trueanthem&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR21MI87QSfea5iRds830XdBvWWGmTLl96KbRnSgd XP9s9L1VBfsM9ABz4U

The writer is just using a clickbait tactic. He even hedges on his comments by saying "from what I understand", without even saying the typical "according to an anonymous source" like it is usually done.

Oldcolt
09-28-2023, 07:48 AM
Everyone has an opinion but none of these ‘reporters’ have spoken to anyone who is directly involved. To me nobody knows nothin until I hear it from JT, his agent, Ballard or Irsay. Since none of them are saying shit I’m assuming they are trying to work it out. Contract negotiations are always messy

Mr. Session
09-28-2023, 08:04 AM
These guys are working off hearsay but the only thing I can objectively point to is how little has been vocalized by Taylor's camp.

Off the top of my head I don't remember a player/agent advising they absolutely would not play for the team or try to address/correct public perception that they had a personal problem with the organization they're currently in negotiations with (Chris Jones, for example). I don't get the vibe they care about what the organization and fan base take from this. This seems to be personal on the surface level but I will certainly concede that I'm obviously not privy to the intimate conversations between the parties at play.

At this point it's hard to believe it's purely about his compensation. Nothing he's done other than a 5 second clip on Instagram is helping him out value wise, even if Indy let him walk after this season without franchising him.

rm1369
09-28-2023, 08:18 AM
Don’t know the guy myself but maybe he puts the financial stability of his family above making us happy. I want him on the field for us or a trade for a number one draft choice. Personally it isn’t my money, we have plenty under the cap and we give contract extensions to it seems like everyone else on the team (guard, snapper, linebacker-its a long list). Find a way Irsay/Ballard and don’t let your damn egos make this impossible.

Possibly, however he’s attempting to get that “security” by means of lies and wage theft. He’s perfectly happy cashing their checks while not living up to his commitment. I have absolutely no respect for that. I’m typically on the player‘s (or worker’s) side in labor disputes. If he wasn’t faking injury and simply held out, giving up his salary, I’d disagree but at least respect his actions. Fuck JT, he’s shown himself to be a selfish prick. No different than any of the other greedy millionaires and billionaires of the world. Horrible people whose supposedly great character goes out the window when there is a dollar involved. The Colts are doing right to treat him as nothing more than an asset. I’ll be perfectly happy if MP gets paid and JT rots.

jasperhobbs
09-28-2023, 10:03 AM
Don’t know the guy myself but maybe he puts the financial stability of his family above making us happy. I want him on the field for us or a trade for a number one draft choice. Personally it isn’t my money, we have plenty under the cap and we give contract extensions to it seems like everyone else on the team (guard, snapper, linebacker-its a long list). Find a way Irsay/Ballard and don’t let your damn egos make this impossible.

At 4 million a year, he already should have financial stability.

CletusPyle
09-28-2023, 10:06 AM
Whether this is true or not, I will repeat my earlier "shit" take!:D

Ballard needs to try to fix this, unless JT has a career threatening injury that he is trying to hide by getting into this contract dispute, he needs to at least attempt to talk some sense into JT! If JT does suit up and give full effort and have some really good performances and the team has some level of success, he should be offered a fair extension above just franchising him twice which is what I think he is afraid will happen!

rm1369
09-28-2023, 10:56 AM
Whether this is true or not, I will repeat my earlier "shit" take!:D

Ballard needs to try to fix this, unless JT has a career threatening injury that he is trying to hide by getting into this contract dispute, he needs to at least attempt to talk some sense into JT! If JT does suit up and give full effort and have some really good performances and the team has some level of success, he should be offered a fair extension above just franchising him twice which is what I think he is afraid will happen!

I’m sure Ballard has tried to fix this and talk logic and reality with JT. Every indication is JT isn’t interested. All indications are that JT wouldn’t be happy with a contract just above the two franchise numbers. He wants to push the RB market higher. That’s why Ballard went from saying you pay great players to saying the market is what it is. JT has an interest only in money, not in reality. It’s why he’s lying about his injury while collecting a paycheck. Greed.

albany ed
09-28-2023, 11:15 AM
I’m sure Ballard has tried to fix this and talk logic and reality with JT. Every indication is JT isn’t interested. All indications are that JT wouldn’t be happy with a contract just above the two franchise numbers. He wants to push the RB market higher. That’s why Ballard went from saying you pay great players to saying the market is what it is. JT has an interest only in money, not in reality. It’s why he’s lying about his injury while collecting a paycheck. Greed.

Usually when there is a radical difference between two sides, neither side is completely right nor completely wrong. JT, his agent and the Colts management are all aware of the short career span of most RBs. JT wants to get paid based on (when healthy) his status as one of the best in the business. The Colts would rather wait until his rookie contract is done to consider his next contract. If JT had come back to honor his last year of the contract and fucked up his knee, he'd be SOL. If the Colts had given him an extension and the guarantees he wanted and he fucked up his knee, they'd be SOL. Is there a compromise where both sides give a little? Who knows. Perhaps both sides could take a page from our government, They're so good at reaching compromise. :rolleyes:

CletusPyle
09-28-2023, 11:43 AM
I’m sure Ballard has tried to fix this and talk logic and reality with JT. Every indication is JT isn’t interested. All indications are that JT wouldn’t be happy with a contract just above the two franchise numbers. He wants to push the RB market higher. That’s why Ballard went from saying you pay great players to saying the market is what it is. JT has an interest only in money, not in reality. It’s why he’s lying about his injury while collecting a paycheck. Greed.

Maybe he has tried to fix it, I never heard that but maybe he did. I suspect the Colts had/have every intention to just franchise him for 2 years and then when they have gotten his best years, let him go to free agency. I can see both sides but I do believe JT is making a huge mistake. I also am seriously starting to think that JT is hurt, and knows he may never be the player he once was...sad if true, but that doesn't excuse his behavior!

Colts And Orioles
09-28-2023, 12:05 PM
Whether this is true or not, I will repeat my earlier "shit" take !!! ) :D


Ballard needs to try to fix this, unless JT has a career threatening injury that he is trying to hide by getting into this contract dispute, he needs to at least attempt to talk some sense into JT !!! If JT does suit up and give full effort and have some really good performances and the team has some level of success, he should be offered a fair extension above just franchising him twice which is what I think he is afraid will happen !!!





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Shit ta ...... no, just kidding.

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Oldcolt
10-02-2023, 06:47 AM
Been through 4 games. Is there anyone on this board who doesn’t want to see AR and JT line up in the same backfield? There appear to be zero offers for him, either he shows up or he doesn’t play. I’m hoping he shows up and the Colts extend him after he shows he is healthy. Damn that backfield will be exciting to see.

Colts And Orioles
10-02-2023, 03:33 PM
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(OCTOBER 2nd)



Jonathan Taylor to Practice With Colts Wednesday, Could Play Against Titans

(WTHR Staff)

https://www.wthr.com/article/sports/nfl/indianapolis-colts/jonathan-taylor-running-back-pup-list-wednesday-practice-indianapolis-colts-october-8-sunday-tennessee-titans/531-bd613920-c851-4484-b769-7aea4d48de68

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Spike
10-02-2023, 04:14 PM
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(OCTOBER 2nd)



Jonathan Taylor to Practice With Colts Wednesday, Could Play Against Titans

(WTHR Staff)

https://www.wthr.com/article/sports/nfl/indianapolis-colts/jonathan-taylor-running-back-pup-list-wednesday-practice-indianapolis-colts-october-8-sunday-tennessee-titans/531-bd613920-c851-4484-b769-7aea4d48de68

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Damn, that would be great! :cool:

albany ed
10-03-2023, 06:51 AM
Taylor and Leonard. 2 years ago, before the injury bug hit them both, they were the cornerstone of the offense and defense. Build your team around these two and anything is possible. If they can't return to their former selves, it's a fucking shame.

ChaosTheory
10-04-2023, 06:10 PM
At the risk of being a douchey self-promoter... I felt like I must have posted this thought in the past, so I dug it up...

I'll preface by saying JT's ankle might be fucked and impact his season. I also suppose JT and Co. could use his ankle as an excuse in the future so he gets his $4.3m and his UFA status without actually playing. I would think the legal fiasco that would cause between JT, the Colts, the doctors, and the union would keep even the dickheads representing JT from pursuing... of course we did just see Lamar Jackson in a dubious injury situation last year amid his contract issues.

But assume that's off the table and his ankle gets healthy. The realistic outcomes for the next few seasons as I see them are:


2023 - JT has to play for us. The only way he can leave is if the Colts trade him or place an RFA tender on him which doesn't seem likely.
If he suits up, I believe human nature, the competitiveness, and the comradery take over for everyone and it flows through the season with the contract on the backburner.

2024 - Assuming JT had a good '23, he could earn an extension offer. Knowing Ballard, it probably won't be what JT wants today. He could trade him, but the Colts probably make out better if they franchise him. They either keep a great player for a relatively cheap RB Tag... or they let him sign an offer from another team and scoop up two 1st-round picks which is more than they would've gotten in any trade.

2025 - I couldn't guess here with all the previous variables... but while a Year-2 FT would be more expensive, it still would be relatively cheap for RB's. So I could see the Colts possibly trying to use it again if JT's been healthy/productive. In which case, repeat of '24: He either signs an extension going into his age-26 season, gives us one more season under the FT, or another team signs him and we get two 1st-round picks.


Beyond that, the FT becomes retarded where the pay is based on the top 5 QB's salaries. But JT is either extended or gone long before this point anyway.

Early wishful thinking, but... I think the bold might be starting to happen now judging from some of the stuff I've read from Holder, Pelissero, and others along with some of the players'/coaches' comments.

As sour as JT has turned me over the past few months... I hope he's healthy and spends the next 12 weeks (at least) earning that contract from Ballard. Just getting in the locker room with the guys can flip emotions.

Racehorse
10-05-2023, 07:09 AM
At the risk of being a douchey self-promoter... I felt like I must have posted this thought in the past, so I dug it up...



Early wishful thinking, but... I think the bold might be starting to happen now judging from some of the stuff I've read from Holder, Pelissero, and others along with some of the players'/coaches' comments.

As sour as JT has turned me over the past few months... I hope he's healthy and spends the next 12 weeks (at least) earning that contract from Ballard. Just getting in the locker room with the guys can flip emotions.
Yeah, it seems in the offseason, they get a little bored, and have time to dwell on the negatives, but when the team is back together, practicing and playing well, those negatives go away.

Colts And Orioles
10-15-2023, 11:28 PM
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(OCTOBER 2nd)



Jonathan Taylor to Practice With Colts Wednesday, Could Play Against Titans

(WTHR Staff)

https://www.wthr.com/article/sports/nfl/indianapolis-colts/jonathan-taylor-running-back-pup-list-wednesday-practice-indianapolis-colts-october-8-sunday-tennessee-titans/531-bd613920-c851-4484-b769-7aea4d48de68

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(OCTOBER 15th)


Taylor only has 37 yards rushing on 14 games in his first 2 games so far this season ...... I suspect that as the season progresses that he may flourish.

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Colts And Orioles
10-22-2023, 10:47 PM
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(OCTOBER 15th)


Taylor only has 37 yards rushing on 14 games in his first 2 games so far this season ...... ) I suspect that as the season progresses, he may flourish.

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(ONE WEEK LATER)


In addition to rushing for 75 yards on 18 carries, Taylor also caught 3 passes for 45 yards today ...... it was clearly his best game yet.

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Spike
10-23-2023, 09:07 AM
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(ONE WEEK LATER)


In addition to rushing for 75 yards on 18 carries, Taylor also caught 3 passes for 45 yards today ...... it was clearly his best game yet.

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He is an elite running back, and he did that against a top defense.

It's amazing how the Colts scored 38 points on this Cleveland defense despite the turnovers and refs.

Colts And Orioles
10-30-2023, 03:51 PM
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(OCTOBER 15th)


Taylor only has 37 yards rushing on 14 games in his first 2 games so far this season ...... ) I suspect that as the season progresses, he may flourish.

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(ONE WEEK LATER)


In addition to rushing for 75 yards on 18 carries, Taylor also caught 3 passes for 45 yards today ...... it was clearly his best game yet.

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(TWO WEEKS LATER)


Taylor had his 2nd consecutive excellent game, rushing for 95 yards on only 12 carries (7.9 Yards Per Carry.)


https://www.espn.com/nfl/boxscore/_/gameId/401547507


I believe that the question has been answered as to whether or not he has completely recovered from his ankle surgery.

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Colts And Orioles
11-28-2023, 09:45 AM
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Jonathan Taylor Runs Wild in Colts Win Over Buccaneers

(By Zach Hicks)

https://www.si.com/nfl/colts/news/jonathan-taylor-runs-wild-indianapolis-colts-film

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Colts And Orioles
12-12-2023, 02:56 PM
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Colts Missing Jonathan Taylor, as Run Game Struggles

(By Stephen Holder)

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39092316/colts-missing-jonathan-taylor-run-game-struggles

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CletusPyle
12-12-2023, 03:06 PM
We paid him and then he hurt his mangina......:D

ChaosTheory
12-12-2023, 04:23 PM
We paid him and then he hurt his mangina......:D

We're having shit luck when it comes to extending our stars and them immediately getting injured.

We'll need a WR for when Pittman can't play next year.

Colts And Orioles
12-12-2023, 08:28 PM
We paid him, and then he hurt his mangina ....... ) :D





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So, Taylor is a pussy because he tore the UCL in his thumb in a football game ........ I wish that we had tough guys playing for us.

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CletusPyle
12-12-2023, 09:05 PM
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So, Taylor is a pussy because he tore the UCL in his thumb in a football game ........ I wish that we had tough guys playing for us.

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You really shouldn't take everything I say so seriously, especially when I use a "big grin" emoji!

Colts And Orioles
01-07-2024, 03:10 PM
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(vs. TEXANS, 1/06)


30 llllll, ATTEMPTS

188 lllll YARDS

6.3 llllll YPC

1 llllllllll TD

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Racehorse
02-28-2024, 12:18 PM
Lost in the salary cap rise is the fact that JT’s contract now looks very affordable. I am glad we have him under contract for the next few years.