Colts Final Roster Cuts - 2023 Edition

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Final cuts are due Tuesday, but there will probably be several moves made today and tomorrow.



https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1695812441559474410

The Colts released veteran RB Kenyan Drake, per source.

https://twitter.com/JoelAErickson/status/1695821159705592286

The expectation is the Colts are releasing former Butler WR Tyler Adams, per source

https://twitter.com/JoelAErickson/status/1695831166144643160

Colts will release TE Michael Jacobson, per source.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

The Colts have announced their first wave of releases / cuts:

https://www.colts.com/news/release-kenyan-drake-teez-tabor


Waived:

OT Matthew Vanderslice
G Emil Ekiyor
WR Tyler Adams
WR Kody Case
TE Nick Eubanks
TE Michael Jacobson
K Lucas Havrisik

Released:

RB Kenyan Drake
S Teez Tabor

[Brylok]

The Colts have announced their first wave of releases / cuts:

https://www.colts.com/news/release-kenyan-drake-teez-tabor


Waived:

OT Matthew Vanderslice
G Emil Ekiyor
WR Tyler Adams
WR Kody Case
TE Nick Eubanks
TE Michael Jacobson
K Lucas Havrisik

Released:

RB Kenyan Drake
S Teez Tabor

He made all his kicks. Where is Matt Gay?

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

He made all his kicks. Where is Matt Gay?


Are you asking where was Matt Gay the other night?

He was at the stadium and warmed up before the Eagles preseason game.

I think the Colts decided to feature Havrisik thinking that it may lead to a tryout with another team.

[Colts And Orioles]

Are you asking where was Matt Gay the other night ???

He was at the stadium, and warmed up before the Eagles pre-season game.





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He also took a piss in the men's locker room, right before he fucked one of the Colts cheerleaders.

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[Brylok]

Are you asking where was Matt Gay the other night?

He was at the stadium and warmed up before the Eagles preseason game.

I think the Colts decided to feature Havrisik thinking that it may lead to a tryout with another team.

Yes, I asked where he was during the game. I'm not the head coach, but if I was, I'd have my first team kicker playing. Havrisik is cut either way. But it's the Colts, so what are you gonna do...

[ChoppedWood]

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He also took a piss in the men's locker room, right before he fucked one of the Colts cheerleaders.

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Wow C&O, wow! That's strong work!

[Racehorse]

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He also took a piss in the men's locker room, right before he fucked one of the Colts cheerleaders.

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Wow! And all this time, I was certain the guy was Gay.

[Butter]

Yes, I asked where he was during the game. I'm not the head coach, but if I was, I'd have my first team kicker playing. Havrisik is cut either way. But it's the Colts, so what are you gonna do...

Gay was going to be the guy from the get-go, he is an established vet, nothing to gain from playing him, let the kid getting cut show something.

[IndyNorm]

Gay was going to be the guy from the get-go, he is an established vet, nothing to gain from playing him, let the kid getting cut show something.

Since the guy shanked a 28 yarder in the first preseason game it probably would have been a good idea to get he and his new holder more in game reps before it actually starts counting.

[IndyNorm]

The Colts have announced their first wave of releases / cuts:

https://www.colts.com/news/release-kenyan-drake-teez-tabor


Waived:

OT Matthew Vanderslice
G Emil Ekiyor
WR Tyler Adams
WR Kody Case
TE Nick Eubanks
TE Michael Jacobson
K Lucas Havrisik

Released:

RB Kenyan Drake
S Teez Tabor

So much for Ekiyor being this great find. Too bad none of the OGs in the draft had a high enough RAS score to get Ballard's dick hard enough to spend 1 of 12 draft picks on one of the weakest position groups in the NFL :cool:

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1696173419568533641

Colts are releasing veteran WR Breshad Perriman, per source.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1696175821658939868

The Colts waived rookie LB Donavan Mutin, per source.

https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/1696189053664678259

Colts are releasing OL Dakoda Shepley, per a league source

https://twitter.com/AaronWilson_NFL/status/1696186544237789320

Colts released WR James Washington, per a league source

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

https://twitter.com/JoelAErickson/status/1696205354479071555

Colts are waiving DT Caleb Sampson, per source.

Possibility of coming back to practice squad.

[IndyNorm]

Surprised Washington is gone already.

Wonder if DJ Montgomery, who lead us in receiving in the preseason, makes the team.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Surprised Washington is gone already.

Wonder if DJ Montgomery, who lead us in receiving in the preseason, makes the team.


Frankly, I don't know if I care about any of the WR5 options - I think most would go unclaimed and make it to practice squad other than maybe Carolina (Reich) or Philly (Sirianni / Brady) making a claim on Strachan. It doesn't sound like any of the WR5's really stood out this training camp / preseason with their Special Teams play.

I would be more concerned about carrying 5 TE's right now just because we don't know how severe Jelani Woods hamstring tear is and how soon he will be back to playing. Just the other day, Nate Atkins found out and revealed that Woods partially tore his hamstring (it was not just a strain). And the Colts have been less than clear about the injury and when they think he will be back.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1696510832845189313

Colts are releasing veteran S Ronnie Harrison.


https://twitter.com/JoelAErickson/status/1696510299736625486

The Colts are waiving WR Michael Strachan, source confirms.

Former 7th-round pick caught five passes for 85 yards over two seasons in Indy


https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1696517783222141397

The Colts are waiving WR D.J. Montgomery, per source.

He'll likely be back on the practice squad if he clears.

[jasperhobbs]

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1696510832845189313




https://twitter.com/JoelAErickson/status/1696510299736625486



https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1696517783222141397

I had high hopes for Strachan

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

https://twitter.com/JoelAErickson/status/1696524121344221626

The Colts are waiving LB Liam Anderson, with plans to bring him back to the practice squad, per source, if he clears waivers.

https://twitter.com/JoelAErickson/status/1696536868954018288

Colts are waiving RB Jason Huntley.

Could be back on the practice squad, per source.

https://twitter.com/JoelAErickson/status/1696540098744184995

The Colts are waiving CB Isaac Taylor-Stuart, per source.

Practice squad possibility.

https://twitter.com/JoelAErickson/status/1696549064261693783

The Colts released WR Amari Rodgers, source says.

Practice squad's a possibility for Rodgers.

[ChoppedWood]

I had high hopes for Strachan

I think everyone does. Just heard on Bowen show- if he clears they will put him on the PS.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1696551808359940494

The Colts waived RB Jake Funk, per source.

They want him back for practice squad if he clears waivers.

https://twitter.com/JoelAErickson/status/1696552740464296055

The Colts are releasing WR Vyncint Smith, source says

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1696555217775391163

Colts have released veteran DL Al Quadin Muhammad.

[Oldcolt]

I had high hopes for Strachan

If he hasn’t put it together yet he probably won’t. I love how we take flyers on these athletic freaks. Hopefully we hit on one every once in a while

[HoosierinFL]

Oh Muhammed is a bit of a surprise!

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

https://twitter.com/JoelAErickson/status/1696571894873419950

The expectation is S Marcel Dabo will be back on the Indianapolis practice squad.

Under the International Player Pathway program, Dabo has an exception that allows the Colts to carry an extra player on the squad.

[JAFF]

Oh Muhammed is a bit of a surprise!

They may be making room to pick up an O lineman, as an example

[YDFL Commish]

Looks like some interesting OL got cut that could help us: Wes Martin, Yodny Cajuste, Greg Little, Bobby Evans and Jalen Mayfield.

Oh yeah, Specs was cut by the Bucs.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

The Colts have formally announced all of their roster moves to reach 53.

Besides Danny Pinter, the Colts placed LB JoJo Domann, DE Titus Leo, and TE Ricky Seals-Jones on IR - they will miss the entire season.

The major surprise for me was that they waived CB Darius Rush although I realize that he missed a ton of practice time due to injuries.


https://www.colts.com/news/jonathan-taylor-reserve-pup-list-roster-moves-transactions-53-man-roster

Waived: LB Liam Anderson, S Henry Black, S Marcel Dabo, RB Jake Funk, RB Jason Huntley, DE Khalid Kareem, WR D.J. Montgomery, LB Donavan Mutin, WR Amari Rodgers, CB Darius Rush, DT Caleb Sampson, C Dakoda Shepley, WR Mike Strachan, CB Isaac Taylor-Stuart, CB Kevin Toliver

Released: TE Pharaoh Brown, S Ronnie Harrison Jr., DE Al-Quadin Muhammad, WR Breshad Perriman, T Dan Skipper, WR Vyncint Smith, WR James Washington, WR Juwann Winfree

Placed on IR: LB JoJo Domann, DE Titus Leo, C Danny Pinter, TE Ricky Seals-Jones

Moved to Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform: RB Jonathan Taylor

Placed on Reserve/Suspended by Commissioner list: CB Chris Lammons

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Looks like some interesting OL got cut that could help us: Wes Martin, Yodny Cajuste, Greg Little, Bobby Evans and Jalen Mayfield.


Yeah, I'm sure there will be a few changes to the roster over the next few days.

Besides OL help, I wonder if they are looking at a waiver pick-up for WR5 since they only kept 4 WR's on the initial 53 man roster.

Noticed that the Eagles released WR Britain Covey - he was their primary punt returner last season.

[Oldcolt]

No way we are keeping 5 tight ends and 4 wide receivers. Lots of churning still to come

[YDFL Commish]

No way we are keeping 5 tight ends and 4 wide receivers. Lots of churning still to come

I agree. But injuries at TE are kind of dictating that.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

I agree. But injuries at TE are kind of dictating that.


Yeah, depending on the severity and recovery timetable for Jelani Wood's partially torn hamstring, the Colts may place him on IR tomorrow. He would have to miss a minimum of 4 games if he hits the IR list.

If he is close to returning, the Colts may try to work around his injury.

[IndyNorm]

Rush is a big surprise. I'm also surprised that we kept Hambright over Skipper as well as 10 DL and 6 LBs. Guessing Stuard, McCrone, and Olubi showed better at STs than Rush or any of the WRs did.

As already discussed I wouldn't be surprised if Woods is put on the IR tomorrow to make room for our first waiver claim.

[IndyNorm]

If he hasn’t put it together yet he probably won’t. I love how we take flyers on these athletic freaks. Hopefully we hit on one every once in a while

Agreed. You have to start producing at some point. Even if it's just on STs. Entering his 3rd year Strachan should be showing something on the field, but since he's not it's probably best to move on.

[ChoppedWood]

They were talking about this on the JMV show and man I think it warrants even more call out.

This motherfucker Ballard has had 7 years to build this WR room and here we are- we have 4, 4 fucking WR's on our 53 man roster and we have to be very honest- there is not a WR1 among them!

It is appalling that this guy continues to head up this team's personnel decisions. He flat out sucks!

[omahacolt]

i have to say


for all the money and draft picks we have had available, this is a very underwhelming team. where is the talent? what position group is great? what is this teams strength? i don't see it anywhere

[ChoppedWood]

i have to say


for all the money and draft picks we have had available, this is a very underwhelming team. where is the talent? what position group is great? what is this teams strength? i don't see it anywhere

Fucking zero explosiveness. Downs could pop as a rookie and show some of the quicks he is known for to do some YAC damage especially with AR able to extend plays, but outside of that, zero fucking high power weaponry outside of AR. Huge mistake letting Ballard come back again. We have no depth anywhere! We're basically going to have a defensive backfield full of rookies and misc young dudes.

Disgraceful this dude still has a job.

[IndyNorm]

Fucking zero explosiveness. Downs could pop as a rookie and show some of the quicks he is known for to do some YAC damage especially with AR able to extend plays, but outside of that, zero fucking high power weaponry outside of AR. Huge mistake letting Ballard come back again. We have no depth anywhere! We're basically going to have a defensive backfield full of rookies and misc young dudes.

Disgraceful this dude still has a job.

Hey now. We have Pierce who can run down the sidelines and drop contested passes (since he can't get separation). He might draw a PI call every now and again though........

[Brylok]

i have to say


for all the money and draft picks we have had available, this is a very underwhelming team. where is the talent? what position group is great? what is this teams strength? i don't see it anywhere

Zero leadership (maybe Buckner). Zero team identity. I'm hoping Steichen can establish something. Nobody else can/has.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Hey now. We have Pierce who can run down the sidelines and drop contested passes (since he can't get separation). He might draw a PI call every now and again though........


Obviously it is very early in their careers to be making comparisons since sometimes it takes WR's a little longer to develop, but if you look at Pierce's production from his rookie year vs the next 10 WR's drafted, it appears the Colts made a decent choice.


Pierce: 16 games, 41 rec, 593 yds, 2 TDs

Moore: 16 games, 22 rec, 250 yds, 0 TDs

Jones, Jr: 12 games, 7 rec, 107 yds, 1 TD

Tolbert: 8 games, 2 rec, 12 yds, 0 TDs

Bell: 16 games, 24 rec, 214 yds, 0 TDs

Gray: 13 games, 1 rec, 10 yds, 0 TDs

Ezukanma: 1 game, 1 rec, 3 yds, 0 TDs

Doubs: 13 games, 42 rec, 425 yds, 3 TDs

Austin: 0 games, 0 rec, 0 yds, 0 TDs

Shakir: 14 games, 10 rec, 161 yds, 1 TD

Washington: 15 games, 4 rec, 2 yds, 0 TDs

[IndyNorm]

Obviously it is very early in their careers to be making comparisons since sometimes it takes WR's a little longer to develop, but if you look at Pierce's production from his rookie year vs the next 10 WR's drafted, it appears the Colts made a decent choice.


Pierce: 16 games, 41 rec, 593 yds, 2 TDs

Moore: 16 games, 22 rec, 250 yds, 0 TDs

Jones, Jr: 12 games, 7 rec, 107 yds, 1 TD

Tolbert: 8 games, 2 rec, 12 yds, 0 TDs

Bell: 16 games, 24 rec, 214 yds, 0 TDs

Gray: 13 games, 1 rec, 10 yds, 0 TDs

Ezukanma: 1 game, 1 rec, 3 yds, 0 TDs

Doubs: 13 games, 42 rec, 425 yds, 3 TDs

Austin: 0 games, 0 rec, 0 yds, 0 TDs

Shakir: 14 games, 10 rec, 161 yds, 1 TD

Washington: 15 games, 4 rec, 2 yds, 0 TDs

Once D Coordinators got some film on him and realized his route running limitations he pretty much disappeared. 197 yards for the final 8 games of the season, and 86 of those were in the blowout loss to Dallas. I know it's just preseason, but it doesn't look like he's improved at all. Straight down the sideline, no separation, and dropped passes. He was playing against 2nd and 3rd stringers in Philly, and he still couldn't get any separation.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Once D Coordinators got some film on him and realized his route running limitations he pretty much disappeared. 197 yards for the final 8 games of the season, and 86 of those were in the blowout loss to Dallas. I know it's just preseason, but it doesn't look like he's improved at all. Straight down the sideline, no separation, and dropped passes. He was playing against 2nd and 3rd stringers in Philly, and he still couldn't get any separation.


Oh, I know that he has his limitations and probably doesn't have much upside / potential left to unlock. Just pointing out that there were no WR's drafted immediately after him that have really stood out either.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Yeah, depending on the severity and recovery timetable for Jelani Wood's partially torn hamstring, the Colts may place him on IR tomorrow.


As already discussed I wouldn't be surprised if Woods is put on the IR tomorrow to make room for our first waiver claim.


Wonder if Joel's source is ColtFreaks :cool:

https://twitter.com/JoelAErickson/status/1696923790725333406

Jelani Woods re-aggravated his hamstring pull later in camp, and the Colts are strongly considering placing him on IR to start the season, per source

[Racehorse]

I know there is a lot of angst about the current roster, but I live close enough to get Nashville sports radio. They are freaking out about the fact they have NO backup center right now. They are freaking out about players not released, and players that were released.

It seems every team has people who jump off proverbial cliffs like we do.

[ChoppedWood]

Down to 3 fucking WR's on the roster, 3 after the McKenzie release.

Swear to God Ballard HATES receivers. One of them must have banged his wife or some shit and he can't help but see this as his way of getting even. This dude is sooooooooo fucking out of touch with modern day NFL offense.

Starting QB has 15 fucking games under his belt, his most dangerous weapon is shelved due to contract shit, and now your offense has 3 fucking WR's at present... FUCK BALLARD!

If we don't sign someone of note and instead we use a guy like Rogers as the 4th....

[Ironshaft]

Down to 3 fucking WR's on the roster, 3 after the McKenzie release.

Swear to God Ballard HATES receivers. One of them must have banged his wife or some shit and he can't help but see this as his way of getting even. This dude is sooooooooo fucking out of touch with modern day NFL offense.

Starting QB has 15 fucking games under his belt, his most dangerous weapon is shelved due to contract shit, and now your offense has 3 fucking WR's at present... FUCK BALLARD!

If we don't sign someone of note and instead we use a guy like Rogers as the 4th....

Seriously, the door is that way -------------->

[ChoppedWood]

Seriously, the door is that way -------------->

Exactly what Irsay should have said to him.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

If we don't sign someone of note and instead we use a guy like Rogers as the 4th....


It was mentioned in the Waiver Claim thread that McKenzie is already back as the WR4.

The Colts had planned on placing Jelani Woods on IR but that move couldn't be made until 4PM Eastern whereas the waiver claims occurred earlier in the day.

So they needed a roster spot for a few hours until they could move Woods to IR.

[ChoppedWood]

It was mentioned in the Waiver Claim thread that McKenzie is already back as the WR4.

The Colts had planned on placing Jelani Woods on IR but that move couldn't be made until 4PM Eastern whereas the waiver claims occurred earlier in the day.

So they needed a roster spot for a few hours until they could move Woods to IR.

Thanks, I just read that a few mins ago. I heard about the McKenzie cut while driving from an event and about shit myself. While not the 2nd coming of Marv or Reg, he's clearly more developed than a bunch of the other dudes we put on PS so I was stunned by it.

[Chromeburn]

Once D Coordinators got some film on him and realized his route running limitations he pretty much disappeared. 197 yards for the final 8 games of the season, and 86 of those were in the blowout loss to Dallas. I know it's just preseason, but it doesn't look like he's improved at all. Straight down the sideline, no separation, and dropped passes. He was playing against 2nd and 3rd stringers in Philly, and he still couldn't get any separation.

I’d pump the brakes a little. He hasn’t even played a down of his second season. And also you can’t forget the context of they fired the O coordinator and head coach. The system took a nosedive in creativity. A nobody was calling plays and Saturday was the head coach. He’s actually had some good buzz this training camp.

[IndyNorm]

I wonder if in these McKenzie like situations if the player benefits at all. If I was McKenzie I would have been: "yeah I'll re-sign with you for a ~20% bump."

[Chromeburn]

I know there is a lot of angst about the current roster, but I live close enough to get Nashville sports radio. They are freaking out about the fact they have NO backup center right now. They are freaking out about players not released, and players that were released.

It seems every team has people who jump off proverbial cliffs like we do.

Too much minute by minute info makes fans hysterical

Meanwhile in New England

- Only carrying ONE Quarterback (Mac Jones

- Only carrying TWO Running Backs (Zeke & Rhamondre)

- Only carrying TWO Tight Ends (Henry & Gesicki)

It would seem with 7 Wide Receivers, 5 Safeties, and 7 Cornerbacks So position battles still occurring.


And then at the eagles

- The Eagles are carrying only FOUR wide receivers - AJ Brown, Devonta Smith, Quez Watkins, and Olamide Zaccheaus.

[IndyNorm]

I’d pump the brakes a little. He hasn’t even played a down of his second season. And also you can’t forget the context of they fired the O coordinator and head coach. The system took a nosedive in creativity. A nobody was calling plays and Saturday was the head coach. He’s actually had some good buzz this training camp.

That's fair. He has looked like shit in the preseason games though. Hopefully it doesn't mean anything when the actual games start.

[Chromeburn]

That's fair. He has looked like shit in the preseason games though. Hopefully it doesn't mean anything when the actual games start.


Had a couple drops, had done other interference.
I think mainly he’s played the deep threat and they’re trying to connect with him and everyone knows it’s coming. Low percentage passes. Wr is one of the toughest positions to learn and play in the nfl. Gotta be patient with most guys.

[IndyNorm]

Had a couple drops, had done other interference.
I think mainly he’s played the deep threat and they’re trying to connect with him and everyone knows it’s coming. Low percentage passes. Wr is one of the toughest positions to learn and play in the nfl. Gotta be patient with most guys.

Not just the drops. He's not getting any separation at all either. Even against 2nd and 3rd stringers in the Philly game.

[Chromeburn]

Not just the drops. He's not getting any separation at all either. Even against 2nd and 3rd stringers in the Philly game.

Might need to improve his route running then. See how he does in his second season.

[HoosierinFL]

Once D Coordinators got some film on him and realized his route running limitations he pretty much disappeared. 197 yards for the final 8 games of the season, and 86 of those were in the blowout loss to Dallas. I know it's just preseason, but it doesn't look like he's improved at all. Straight down the sideline, no separation, and dropped passes. He was playing against 2nd and 3rd stringers in Philly, and he still couldn't get any separation.

meh, we also had shit QB play and shit pass protection, so the entire passing offense was crap, I wouldn't get too dramatic about Pierce's numbers being about his own limitations.

[ChaosTheory]

Wr is one of the toughest positions to learn and play in the nfl. Gotta be patient with most guys.

Reggie Wayne's first three seasons (with Peyton Manning):

345yds, 0td
716yds, 4td
838yds, 7td

Steadily improved, didn't have his breakout until year-4. Give the kid time. Whether he's a bust or a gem, he's not going to show you right away.

[Chromeburn]

Reggie Wayne's first three seasons (with Peyton Manning):

345yds, 0td
716yds, 4td
838yds, 7td

Steadily improved, didn't have his breakout until year-4. Give the kid time. Whether he's a bust or a gem, he's not going to show you right away.

Reggie is usually my fallback example, but I’m sure he knows that. Everyone was declaring him a bust after year two I think.

[omahacolt]

Reggie Wayne's first three seasons (with Peyton Manning):

345yds, 0td
716yds, 4td
838yds, 7td

Steadily improved, didn't have his breakout until year-4. Give the kid time. Whether he's a bust or a gem, he's not going to show you right away.

things have changed some since then. wr's are much better prepared for the nfl nowadays then back then

[ChaosTheory]

things have changed some since then. wr's are much better prepared for the nfl nowadays then back then

Well, that's true in that there are more Randy Moss-esque cases of a rookie coming in playing well right away. But there are still plenty of WR's that require time before they flourish.

Davante Adams is a more recent, post-2011 boom example:

446yds, 3tds
483yds, 1td
997yds, 12td
885yds, 10td

Slow first two years, broke out in year-3, still didn't crack 1000yds til year-5 when he became a consistent 1300-1500yd guy. Doesn't mean Pierce will become that good, just means we might not know for the first few years.

[YDFL Commish]

Reggie is usually my fallback example, but I’m sure he knows that. Everyone was declaring him a bust after year two I think.

I am not in that camp. Reggie's growth was somewhat stunted by the 2002 signing of Qadry Ismail. Reggie was clearly outplaying Ismail but was not getting the playing time. Also I believe he suffered a foot injury in his rookie season that somewhat kept him back.

[IndyNorm]

I am not in that camp. Reggie's growth was somewhat stunted by the 2002 signing of Qadry Ismail. Reggie was clearly outplaying Ismail but was not getting the playing time. Also I believe he suffered a foot injury in his rookie season that somewhat kept him back.

Yeah, Reggie had some injuries his rookie year. Think he got a high ankle sprain in training camp and then something else later in the year. And as you pointed out he was sharing reps w/ Ismail his 2nd year (although he had a pretty good year stats-wise). I would consider his '03 season his "breakout" year even though he didn't get to 1,000 yards until '04. But the league was nowhere near as pass happy back then.

I'm probably being too harsh on Pierce. Just saw in the preseason games that he wasn't getting any separation and has had some bad drops, which makes me think he hasn't improved since last year. But it's a small sample size, so hopefully he shows improvement when the games start to count.

[omahacolt]

Well, that's true in that there are more Randy Moss-esque cases of a rookie coming in playing well right away. But there are still plenty of WR's that require time before they flourish.

Davante Adams is a more recent, post-2011 boom example:

446yds, 3tds
483yds, 1td
997yds, 12td
885yds, 10td

Slow first two years, broke out in year-3, still didn't crack 1000yds til year-5 when he became a consistent 1300-1500yd guy. Doesn't mean Pierce will become that good, just means we might not know for the first few years.
yeah i understand that some guys will still take a bit. just saying that it isn't the norm as it was back in the day. i mean most players get better after a few years in the league if they are worth being in the league