Taylor Will Be Back With The Colts Today!

[CletusPyle]

Not sure how excited to be about this, he still hasn't been cleared to practice but at least he is back with the team!

https://www.si.com/nfl/colts/news/colts-jonathan-taylor-returns-sunday-shane-steichen

[omahacolt]

i will care once he is cleared to practice and does

[ChaosTheory]

Where did Peyton Manning get his stem cell therapy? Germany? So that's like a 12-hour flight?

Leave on Wednesday, arrive Thursday, treatment/checkup Friday, leave Friday/Saturday, get home Saturday/Sunday... Back with the Colts Monday.

Plausible?

[Oldcolt]

If he went for stem cell therapy it is a bad sign. It means he hasn't healed and isn't ready to play football. Rather than focus on what he is acting like I am getting concerned about his viability as a runner going forward. Ankles are really tricky. We need honesty but this is the Colts so that is an impossibility and JT/his handlers are not explaining his stance-whatever the hell it is. I just am trying to ignore the whole thing (obviously not doing a good job of it)

[IndyNorm]

Yeah, if he's getting stem cell therapy that is definitely not good. Maybe this whole thing is about the Colts medical staff fucking up the situation with his ankle last year which made the injury worse?

[Oldcolt]

Yeah, if he's getting stem cell therapy that is definitely not good. Maybe this whole thing is about the Colts medical staff fucking up the situation with his ankle last year which made the injury worse?

IF true that would be a damn good reason to ask for a trade. We, as of now, have no way of knowing.

[IndyNorm]

IF true that would be a damn good reason to ask for a trade. We, as of now, have no way of knowing.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Although based on the timeline that we know of he didn't request to be traded until after he was turned down on his extension request and got all butt hurt about Irsay's tweet.

[CletusPyle]

I have never heard anything official on stem cell therapy for JT...where did that rumor start?

[Discflinger]

...

[ChaosTheory]

I have never heard anything official on stem cell therapy for JT...where did that rumor start?

It's definitely not official... I heard Tom Pelissaro, the insider guy, talking to Rich Eisen. Specifically at the 0:40 mark here...

https://youtu.be/GtV3StmZZrc

Paraphrasing: He has a legitimate ankle injury. I'll choose my words carefully... There are certain types of treatment that you might have to go to certain places in order to receive it. I'm not saying he did that, but that's a logical explanation for why you'd want to leave state and leave sight for a few days...

As I posted in another thread, this is about the only logical (non-stupid) explanation I've come across. And we've seen players do it in the past.

[Chromeburn]

It's definitely not official... I heard Tom Pelissaro, the insider guy, talking to Rich Eisen. Specifically at the 0:40 mark here...

https://youtu.be/GtV3StmZZrc

Paraphrasing: He has a legitimate ankle injury. I'll choose my words carefully... There are certain types of treatment that you might have to go to certain places in order to receive it. I'm not saying he did that, but that's a logical explanation for why you'd want to leave state and leave sight for a few days...

As I posted in another thread, this is about the only logical (non-stupid) explanation I've come across. And we've seen players do it in the past.

WTF? Did it fall off? I thought it was a high ankle sprain. What the hell happened to him?

[CletusPyle]

JT will be traveling with the team to Philly....looks like both sides have come to their senses!

[Brylok]

Yeah, if he's getting stem cell therapy that is definitely not good. Maybe this whole thing is about the Colts medical staff fucking up the situation with his ankle last year which made the injury worse?

Interesting. This had crossed my mind as well.

[BCN#1]

Paraphrasing: He has a legitimate ankle injury. I'll choose my words carefully... There are certain types of treatment that you might have to go to certain places in order to receive it. I'm not saying he did that, but that's a logical explanation for why you'd want to leave state and leave sight for a few days...


hahaha... Cannabis and Magic Mushroom therapy!!! Yee-haaaa!!! :D

[Chromeburn]

Paraphrasing: He has a legitimate ankle injury. I'll choose my words carefully... There are certain types of treatment that you might have to go to certain places in order to receive it. I'm not saying he did that, but that's a logical explanation for why you'd want to leave state and leave sight for a few days...


hahaha... Cannabis and Magic Mushroom therapy!!! Yee-haaaa!!! :D

https://regenorthosport.in/blog/stem-cell-treatment-for-ankle-ligament-tears/#:~:text=Stem%20cell%20therapy%20for%20ankle,furth er%20use%20in%20the%20treatment.

I wonder if this was more a tear than a sprain.

[Dewey 5]

Colts just gave Taylor permission to seek a trade.

[HoosierinFL]

Colts just gave Taylor permission to seek a trade.

I saw that in the scroll while watching little league World Series….what the hell?

[Dewey 5]

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1693745637009859039

[Racehorse]

Colts just gave Taylor permission to seek a trade.

Bet it is designed to make him see that his value is not what he thinks it is.

[YDFL Commish]

Bet it is designed to make him see that his value is not what he thinks it is.

Yep, and if he's smart he'll fire his agent after seeing the light.

[ChaosTheory]

Bet it is designed to make him see that his value is not what he thinks it is.

Just need a dummy team to not fuck it up.

[Chromeburn]

Colts have granted JT permission to seek a trade.

He is now able to find the team that will trade for him and give him 16 million a year.

https://x.com/adamschefter/status/1693742945302655405?s=46&t=FvKeTlgkL8ardaxv32vrGQ

[rm1369]

2nd or better, take it and move the fuck on. I’m tired of it. Let someone else overpay him. Doubt someone offers it though and we’ll be stuck with dealing with this shit all season and all next off season.

[Hoopsdoc]

2nd or better, take it and move the fuck on. I’m tired of it. Let someone else overpay him. Doubt someone offers it though and we’ll be stuck with dealing with this shit all season and all next off season.

I’m fast approaching this point. This is AR’s team now and Taylor is a damned distraction.

Just get it settled one way or another.

[JAFF]

2nd or better, take it and move the fuck on. I’m tired of it. Let someone else overpay him. Doubt someone offers it though and we’ll be stuck with dealing with this shit all season and all next off season.

Is there a team out there dumb enough to trade for Taylor? He is hurt and cant practice. Why give Indy anything? Wait till they cut him.

[Chromeburn]

Is there a team out there dumb enough to trade for Taylor? He is hurt and cant practice. Why give Indy anything? Wait till they cut him.

Some people think he has contractitis. That he will suddenly pass a physical if traded.

[apballin]

Is there a team out there dumb enough to trade for Taylor? He is hurt and cant practice. Why give Indy anything? Wait till they cut him.

Why cut him when they can just put him on the NFI list and let him end up like Leveon Bell

[omahacolt]

well this is unfortunate. really like taylor. now i kind of just want him off the fucking team. fuck him

[ChaosTheory]

Some people think he has contractitis. That he will suddenly pass a physical if traded.

I know we all talk about this, but seriously, I've never dug into it... Are players actually able to manipulate the system by doing nothing more than saying "I'm hurt"?

Can these handsomely paid team doctors not make a diagnosis that holds weight in this regard?

[Brylok]

2nd or better, take it and move the fuck on.

If you can get a 2nd, do that instantly.

What now prevents the other AFC South teams from telling his representative that they think he's worth $13-$15M? They have no intention of trading for him of course, they're just sticking it to the Colts. Sounds smart to me, and it would keep the chaos going and ultimately help them while hurting us.

I still say waive him if it comes to that point.

[Racehorse]

If you can get a 2nd, do that instantly.

What now prevents the other AFC South teams from telling his representative that they think he's worth $13-$15M? They have no intention of trading for him of course, they're just sticking it to the Colts. Sounds smart to me, and it would keep the chaos going and ultimately help them while hurting us.

I still say waive him if it comes to that point.

His agent was probably told that the division is a no go.

[Brylok]

His agent was probably told that the division is a no go.

Hope so.

[ChoppedWood]

Been saying for a while, fucking NFI and tie the cement blocks to his feet and let him sink. Dude is seriously a dumb ass. Who the fuck is going to give fair value to a dude that apparently had to get stem cell treatment on his ankle at the NFL's least valued position? WHO?

With each passing day the weight of the briefcase of cash gets lighter and lighter. DO NOT TRADE HIM, DO NOT DO SHIT, SHELVE HIM DUE TO HIS APPARENT "BACK ISSUE" COMING INTO CAMP AND LET HIM FUCKING ROT!

[Chromeburn]

I know we all talk about this, but seriously, I've never dug into it... Are players actually able to manipulate the system by doing nothing more than saying "I'm hurt"?

Can these handsomely paid team doctors not make a diagnosis that holds weight in this regard?

Honestly, I don't know. I think medical docs can probably tell if you are faking or not. Especially when backed up with x-rays or such.

[Chromeburn]

If you can get a 2nd, do that instantly.

What now prevents the other AFC South teams from telling his representative that they think he's worth $13-$15M? They have no intention of trading for him of course, they're just sticking it to the Colts. Sounds smart to me, and it would keep the chaos going and ultimately help them while hurting us.

I still say waive him if it comes to that point.

Rumors the Dolphins will try. Don't know how they will do it, they are 48 million over the cap next year. So maybe all in for one year.

[ChaosTheory]

They were talking about the Dolphins signing Dalvin Cook as well. And what did he sign with Jets for? 1yr for $7m?

Dolphins wouldn't beat that, how are they going to give Taylor and IND what they want?

[ChoppedWood]

They were talking about the Dolphins signing Dalvin Cook as well. And what did he sign with Jets for? 1yr for $7m?

Dolphins wouldn't beat that, how are they going to give Taylor and IND what they want?

And that's where I just don't understand what the fuck this dude is thinking. WHY, WHY would any owner say fuck it and buck the entire market, when they have no incentive to do so with a dude that is INJURED???? This makes no fucking sense.

[CletusPyle]

I thought things were getting better? He had rejoined the team and I assumed he would be evaluated and hopefully be cleared to practice...what the hell happened? Kid's either got a screw loose or the Colts are just trying to convince him that the grass isn't greener anywhere else than it is in Indy!

[ChaosTheory]

I thought things were getting better? He had rejoined the team and I assumed he would be evaluated and hopefully be cleared to practice...what the hell happened? Kid's either got a screw loose or the Colts are just trying to convince him that the grass isn't greener anywhere else than it is in Indy!

That's the big speculation. Guys are bringing up Lamar Jackson... Ravens let him look around. Now, he ended up signing a $260m contract so you can't call it apples-to-apples...

But the point they're making is that Lamar wanted a bigger Deshaun Watson deal ($230m guaranteed). They let him shop other teams and realize that he isn't worth what he'd hoped. Again, it's $260m so boohoo, but he got something like $180m guaranteed when he apparently expected way more.

[Chromeburn]

That's the big speculation. Guys are bringing up Lamar Jackson... Ravens let him look around. Now, he ended up signing a $260m contract so you can't call it apples-to-apples...

But the point they're making is that Lamar wanted a bigger Deshaun Watson deal ($230m guaranteed). They let him shop other teams and realize that he isn't worth what he'd hoped. Again, it's $260m so boohoo, but he got something like $180m guaranteed when he apparently expected way more.

Browns are hurting because of that terrible contract.

[Colts And Orioles]

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I'm OK with the turnout of this entire situation, either way ......


A) ) If Taylor stays with the Colts in 2023 and beyond, we'll be retaining the services of an outstanding running back.


B) ) If Taylor leaves the Colts, even great running backs are replaceable, particularly if you you have several other strong areas on the team.


You just never know how these kinds of things will turn out ...... remember that when we traded Nyheim Hines for Zack Moss, Hines was coming off a 2021 season in which he averaged 4.9 yards-per carry. He certainly looked like a star on the rise. In return, we got the seemingly-average Zack Moss. Moss was generally untested at the time of the trade, and therefore he was an unknown in regard to what to expect of him. Moss wound up having numerous excellent games for the Colts after the trade last year, and Hines wound up damaging his knee last month in a watercraft accident which will cause him to miss the entire 2023 season ...... like I said, you just never know how things will turn out in these types of situations with running backs, and therefore I am content with allowing things to play out and letting the chips fall where they may.


A more historic example of things working out well for the Colts in regard to a departed star running back was when Lydell Mitchell was traded to the Chargers for Joe Washington prior to the 1978 season ...... Washington essentially filled Mitchell's shoes at the position, making the Pro Bowl in his second season with the team in 1979. The loss of Bert Jones to shoulder injuries wound up being much more detrimental to the team than did the loss of Mitchell.

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[ChaosTheory]

Browns are hurting because of that terrible contract.

Other teams can have at it. I don't want us to be a team mentioned as a cautionary tale like CLE-Watson, NYJ-Bell, DAL-Elliott... just take the free education.

At some point, though, it'll be nice when all teams stop volunteering to be the next guinea pig. Maybe players wouldn't stick their heads quite so far up their own ass if they stopped seeing teams do dumb shit.

[JAFF]

I thought things were getting better? He had rejoined the team and I assumed he would be evaluated and hopefully be cleared to practice...what the hell happened? Kid's either got a screw loose or the Colts are just trying to convince him that the grass isn't greener anywhere else than it is in Indy!

Maybe a bit of both.

It would be good for both parties make a deal. Unfortunately that would mean calmer heads would prevail, and that opportunity has been missed.

[Oldcolt]

To me this really has very little to do with the Colts. It is about the bigger issue of how running backs money isn't keeping up with other offensive players. The problem is that rule changes have made running backs complimentary pieces, they don't deserve (if your goal is winning) the same money as the other pieces do-rules changes have made that inevitable. Running backs don't like this and so we have this labor dispute. To me these running backs need to accept reality. This group may never but the next will grow up knowing and need to accept reality. It sucks for all sides but especially for us fans.

[YDFL Commish]

To me this really has very little to do with the Colts. It is about the bigger issue of how running backs money isn't keeping up with other offensive players. The problem is that rule changes have made running backs complimentary pieces, they don't deserve (if your goal is winning) the same money as the other pieces do-rules changes have made that inevitable. Running backs don't like this and so we have this labor dispute. To me these running backs need to accept reality. This group may never but the next will grow up knowing and need to accept reality. It sucks for all sides but especially for us fans.

While agree wholeheartedly, it still suck for RB's that it has come to this. They have the shortest shelf life of any position within the NFL, yet take the most punishment. This is in the end a NFLPA problem.

[ChaosTheory]

To me this really has very little to do with the Colts. It is about the bigger issue of how running backs money isn't keeping up with other offensive players. The problem is that rule changes have made running backs complimentary pieces, they don't deserve (if your goal is winning) the same money as the other pieces do-rules changes have made that inevitable. Running backs don't like this and so we have this labor dispute. To me these running backs need to accept reality. This group may never but the next will grow up knowing and need to accept reality. It sucks for all sides but especially for us fans.

That is so on point. The game has been (and continues to be) artificially transformed in the direction of overwhelming passing games. I half-joke that they're eventually going to become 7-on-7. I think it's a combination of things...

One is the overcompensation (in my opinion as a fan) of the league as a reaction to the lawsuits and bad PR they got when CTE became mainstream. Now we get weekly BS roughing calls on QB's and receivers.

The other is the appeal of these Air-Raid style college offenses that started popping up around the turn of the century. Lots of excitement. So now officials enforce illegal contact like they're Pai Mei.

And now we shit on RB's.

[JAFF]

That is so on point. The game has been (and continues to be) artificially transformed in the direction of overwhelming passing games. I half-joke that they're eventually going to become 7-on-7. I think it's a combination of things...

One is the overcompensation (in my opinion as a fan) of the league as a reaction to the lawsuits and bad PR they got when CTE became mainstream. Now we get weekly BS roughing calls on QB's and receivers.

The other is the appeal of these Air-Raid style college offenses that started popping up around the turn of the century. Lots of excitement. So now officials enforce illegal contact like they're Pai Mei.

And now we shit on RB's.

Its about the rules and TV. Fans want offense and scoring. Can you imagine what AirCoryell would look like now with todays officiating?

If running backs need to be more like Marshall Faulk. Part time rusher, not ask to block an on coming blitzer. Get them in space, watch them go.

O linemen have changed over time. Passing means pass blocking, big men who are not dancing bears, but big men light on their feet, can move with line mates to keep the Qb clean.

Fans want scoring, lots of scoring and ground pounding is too boring. No one wants Jim Brown, they want Lamar Jackson.

When QB’s start falling and failing from the beating they take, the league will return to the running game.

[Oldcolt]

Some reality is needed here. Yes they have not increased in value along with other weapons but give me a break, this guy is 24 years old and going to make in one year more than 95+% of men and women make in a lifetime. This is not some traumatic situation where people are not able to feed or clothe their children. If he stayed here, played three years and was tagged he still makes 30 million over the next few years. I don’t feel the least bit sorry for NFL running backs.

[omahacolt]

Some reality is needed here. Yes they have not increased in value along with other weapons but give me a break, this guy is 24 years old and going to make in one year more than 95+% of men and women make in a lifetime. This is not some traumatic situation where people are not able to feed or clothe their children. If he stayed here, played three years and was tagged he still makes 30 million over the next few years. I don’t feel the least bit sorry for NFL running backs.

the money isn't that relevant.

he is arguing his value is to the organization is more than what the colts think it is. he is absolutely fine to believe that and to argue that. sure he will be fine either way but that is irrelevant.

[Oldcolt]

the money isn't that relevant.

he is arguing his value is to the organization is more than what the colts think it is. he is absolutely fine to believe that and to argue that. sure he will be fine either way but that is irrelevant.

I agree with you, he has every right to try to get more money. My point is, either way, he is rich compared to most of us. Financially, I don't feel sorry for what he has-I understand that he, like everyone, wants more. Don't fault him at all, just don't feel bad for his situation from a money point of view.

[Chromeburn]

While agree wholeheartedly, it still suck for RB's that it has come to this. They have the shortest shelf life of any position within the NFL, yet take the most punishment. This is in the end a NFLPA problem.

The position will evolve. Either they become dual threat players. Or they will likely be eliminated in favor of multiple receiver looks and the QB becoming the running threat.

[Chromeburn]

The Colts have given JT till Tuesday to find a trade partner. The deadline for declaring the pup roster is coming. If he is still injured he will go on pup and miss the first four weeks.


6 teams have called enquiring. 2 teams have offered trades.

https://x.com/barstoolindy/status/1694453533213388860?s=46&t=FvKeTlgkL8ardaxv32vrGQ

[CletusPyle]

I have a feeling he will get the trade, but I also think he has made a huge mistake!

[ChoppedWood]

The Colts have given JT till Tuesday to find a trade partner. The deadline for declaring the pup roster is coming. If he is still injured he will go on pup and miss the first four weeks.


6 teams have called enquiring. 2 teams have offered trades.

https://x.com/barstoolindy/status/1694453533213388860?s=46&t=FvKeTlgkL8ardaxv32vrGQ

The Dolphins, Bills and Bears are what seem to be getting kicked around a lot with a little bit of Philly being tossed in. He would make a great component for all 3 / 4 of those offenses. Hopefully there is truth that all of them have been nibbling allowing us to push the return higher from the ultimate suitor. If someone were to give up a 1st (Phins and Bills are both clearly in a need to win it all this year mode- ala Rams model), then fuck it take it.

There's a lot of prognosticators saying we are a bottom 5-8 team this year even with him. Go 100% youth, grow through the valleys and emerge as an extremely young powerhouse with a nice 5-7 year window to do big shit.

[Brylok]

The Colts have given JT till Tuesday to find a trade partner. The deadline for declaring the pup roster is coming. If he is still injured he will go on pup and miss the first four weeks.

I'm pretty sure the cutdown to 53 has to be done by Tuesday.

[Hoopsdoc]

Hope they get at least a 2nd for him.

And I’ll be very interested in seeing what his new team does contract wise.

I suspect it’s no longer about the contract for JT. IE, it’s personal at this point.

I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see him go somewhere else and play out his contract. Then hit free agency next season.

[Chromeburn]

I know we all talk about this, but seriously, I've never dug into it... Are players actually able to manipulate the system by doing nothing more than saying "I'm hurt"?

Can these handsomely paid team doctors not make a diagnosis that holds weight in this regard?

I found this

https://x.com/jasonthomasxl/status/1694156364954652885?s=46&t=FvKeTlgkL8ardaxv32vrGQ

[Chromeburn]

Hope they get at least a 2nd for him.

And I’ll be very interested in seeing what his new team does contract wise.

I suspect it’s no longer about the contract for JT. IE, it’s personal at this point.

I wouldn’t be surprised at all to see him go somewhere else and play out his contract. Then hit free agency next season.

I would say a second is minimum. I bet they are getting low ball offers right now.

[ChaosTheory]

I found this

https://x.com/jasonthomasxl/status/1694156364954652885?s=46&t=FvKeTlgkL8ardaxv32vrGQ

Ha, I just listened to that a few minutes ago on the way home. I understand the concept he's talking about, but I still wonder...

Does that only work for a total holdout? Like if JT suited up for one single practice, could he "pull a hammy" or "tweak his back" in the first two minutes and now he's playing chess, too? Because now it can't be NFI, right?

[Chromeburn]

Ha, I just listened to that a few minutes ago on the way home. I understand the concept he's talking about, but I still wonder...

Does that only work for a total holdout? Like if JT suited up for one single practice, could he "pull a hammy" or "tweak his back" in the first two minutes and now he's playing chess, too? Because now it can't be NFI, right?

According to him I guess so. That would be pretty bad. Not sure how that might affect his rep or if ppl care about that.

[Oldcolt]

IF we trade him I will be pissed if it is for anything less than a one. A two and a decent player maybe. The Colts have ALL of the power here. Who gives a shit if he is unhappy, I am not giving him away if I am the Colts. What is JT's play if the Colts say 'nope, we want a first'? He has none, he is under contract. The Colts get what they want or the guy plays for us. Much rather have a one at this point.

[ChoppedWood]

IF we trade him I will be pissed if it is for anything less than a one. A two and a decent player maybe. The Colts have ALL of the power here. Who gives a shit if he is unhappy, I am not giving him away if I am the Colts. What is JT's play if the Colts say 'nope, we want a first'? He has none, he is under contract. The Colts get what they want or the guy plays for us. Much rather have a one at this point.

Interesting discussion just now on ESPN radio about how both sides have done incredible damage to one another and how there may be no way for this to go other than him having to suit up for the Colts and attempt to have a record breaking season in an attempt to illustrate to a future suitor that he can continue to be an All Pro WR in the NFL for them.

There's a lot of logic to this discussion.

Taylor's bad move: Taylor is hurt and so much so he remains on PUP (talking heads inferred [they can't in good faith just say it is BS] that's just his BS way of not taking any risk while he tries to get a new deal). That puts any potential team interested in a bad position because even if you think it is ALL BS, the minute you give up significant assets to get him only to find out he isn't capable of returning to form, as a GM, you're gonna get fired.

Colts bad move: Irsay playing his cards publicly in stating the he just isn't that valuable to the organization. So how can you now expect to demand this high draft pick for a player you've already said to the other 31 teams, isn't really that good?

Talking head's speculation- the offers are a 3rd and 4th where as Colts are probably saying they want a 1st looking to get a 2nd and no one is gonna give it. He suits up for Colts in a prove it situation.

They of course then went on to comment about how many times history has shown us- don't so anything in camp, try to just come out cold and end up pulling a hammy or a groin and having an awful season in return.

Crazy but dude could easily be in a position a year from now where he could be a FA and the market is vet min.

Insane shit really...

[Chromeburn]

IF we trade him I will be pissed if it is for anything less than a one. A two and a decent player maybe. The Colts have ALL of the power here. Who gives a shit if he is unhappy, I am not giving him away if I am the Colts. What is JT's play if the Colts say 'nope, we want a first'? He has none, he is under contract. The Colts get what they want or the guy plays for us. Much rather have a one at this point.

The other precedent to think about is; if a rookie plays well and outperforming his contract per se. Can he then go on to force a trade to another team in order to make more money? Even while in the middle of that contract.

[CletusPyle]

I would assume any team interested would have their doctors looking at him and getting JT's perspective on any injury and would likely write a contract heavy on performance incentives, in other words if you are hurt and not contributing to our success you ain't getting paid the big bucks you are wanting! If that is the case, he will get his trade, there are always teams willing to overpay for talent, Colts have done it themselves a number of times!

[Colts And Orioles]

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I remember when Emmitt Smith held out in 1993, and missed the first 2 games of that season ......

The Cowboys started that 1993 season at 0-2 without Smith ......

Smith eventually came back in Week 3, won the NFL MVP in spite of missing those first 2 games, and the and the Cowboys went on to win the Super Bowl.



Cowboys Pay Big for Smith: After Two Losses, Dallas Finally Gives Running Back What He Wanted: ‘Thurman Thomas Money’

(By Danny Robbins)

https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1993-09-17-sp-36152-story.html

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[Colts And Orioles]

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I'm not necessarily predicting that the Colts will win the Super Bowl this year if they retain the services of Johnathan Taylor ...... I'm simply pointing out that there have been numerous times in the past in which teams have overcome what many thought to be impending doom during a contract dispute with a superstar running back.

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[Discflinger]

Just putting it out there:
Miami; 2nd, 4th and 5th 2024

[Hoopsdoc]

It certainly feels like he 100 percent will be traded. Things have clearly gotten unsustainable between the two sides.

[Oldcolt]

It certainly feels like he 100 percent will be traded. Things have clearly gotten unsustainable between the two sides.

If you believe the talking heads. You are probably correct, and if we get a one or equivalent I would hope you are, but when money is the issue you can never be sure until the ink dries

[Brylok]

So at this point I'm assuming that Steichen doesn't want/need him. Maybe he prefers RB by committee and would rather put the Taylor money into one or two other players? It's the only thing that makes sense unless Taylor just did a complete heel turn like when Andre the Giant joined the Heenan family back in the day. Wouldn't that make Leonard a heel too, since they have the same manager? Hmm.

If Tuesday comes and there's still no deal, waive him. Just get him out of here.

[Mr. Session]

I gotta imagine Steichen has BEEN over it. He’s been having to answer the same damn questions for a month and he hasn’t seen this guy practice once while he’s been trying to establish a culture.

If Indy is going to trade him, it better be painful for the other team. I would opt to be the fucking villain and watch this dude sulk on the bench rather than have more national media trying to shit on us if Taylor ends up producing well somewhere else.

[CletusPyle]

So at this point I'm assuming that Steichen doesn't want/need him. Maybe he prefers RB by committee and would rather put the Taylor money into one or two other players? It's the only thing that makes sense unless Taylor just did a complete heel turn like when Andre the Giant joined the Heenan family back in the day. Wouldn't that make Leonard a heel too, since they have the same manager? Hmm.

If Tuesday comes and there's still no deal, waive him. Just get him out of here.

Bobby "the Brain" Heenan.......classic!:D

[smitty46953]

Put him on the "NFI" list for the year, with no pay, shoving this year's contract to next year. Then if he wants to honor his contract let him play before tagging him a year later. Play hard ball with him. :cool:

[ChaosTheory]

Put him on the "NFI" list for the year, with no pay, shoving this year's contract to next year. Then if he wants to honor his contract let him play before tagging him a year later. Play hard ball with him. :cool:

They're in position to lock him up for years and I don't see why they wouldn't opt for that... anything less than a stupid trade package would upset me and is probably impossible anyway. Use the pressure of "play for us or don't play."

Three more seasons before keeping him (unsigned) is stupid financially.

[Oldcolt]

Put him on the "NFI" list for the year, with no pay, shoving this year's contract to next year. Then if he wants to honor his contract let him play before tagging him a year later. Play hard ball with him. :cool:

Why? How does this make the team better? You want to be in the headlines for years as his case runs through the courts (he would sue, as would you or me)? This can work out to where we either get assets or JT himself. Patience and don’t do anything that doesn’t make this team better on the field.

[Chromeburn]

So his agent is a friend of the Miami coach. He’s also a big “all things miami” guy. And now JT says he only wants to go to Miami and doesn’t want to go to the Bears. Also says he will take less money to go to Miami. Whole things stinks as being planned from the beginning.

[ChoppedWood]

So his agent is a friend of the Miami coach. He’s also a big “all things miami” guy. And now JT says he only wants to go to Miami and doesn’t want to go to the Bears. Also says he will take less money to go to Miami. Whole things stinks as being planned from the beginning.

If it is pre-arranged, GREAT- fucking stand on that 1st or tell him and Miami he's getting NFI and his career is FUCKED! Get the pick we want in return, fucking go to Miami. Send him on the next plane and let him be Victor v2.0.

[Chromeburn]

If it is pre-arranged, GREAT- fucking stand on that 1st or tell him and Miami he's getting NFI and his career is FUCKED! Get the pick we want in return, fucking go to Miami. Send him on the next plane and let him be Victor v2.0.

Victor fucked himself too out of like 100 million I saw when it was all said and done between the contract he could of had and the self sabotage he committed.

[Butter]

NFI sounds great and all, but I doubt it is just as simple as that, considering he had been dealing with a legit ankle injury.

[Racehorse]

NFI sounds great and all, but I doubt it is just as simple as that, considering he had been dealing with a legit ankle injury.I think by not going NFI, the Colts are avoiding making the situation even worse. I think they actually want Taylor back, but want him healthy first.

[Chromeburn]

So his agent is a friend of the Miami coach. He’s also a big “all things miami” guy. And now JT says he only wants to go to Miami and doesn’t want to go to the Bears. Also says he will take less money to go to Miami. Whole things stinks as being planned from the beginning.

https://x.com/heatlemiami/status/1694185105604989109?s=46&t=FvKeTlgkL8ardaxv32vrGQ

[JAFF]

I think by not going NFI, the Colts are avoiding making the situation even worse. I think they actually want Taylor back, but want him healthy first.

Yes. Its also in Taylors best interest to get healthy, show what he can do. What GM is trading for a guy who has been rehabbing since last season and still cant play

[ChoppedWood]

NFI sounds great and all, but I doubt it is just as simple as that, considering he had been dealing with a legit ankle injury.

Yeah I think it all comes down to if he really did report in with this "back" issue. If so, he may have absolutely crushed his future by playing loose with the way the NFL operates.

[omahacolt]

Put him on the "NFI" list for the year, with no pay, shoving this year's contract to next year. Then if he wants to honor his contract let him play before tagging him a year later. Play hard ball with him. :cool:

that won't play well in the locker room. not that i exactly disagree

[Chromeburn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLo6fLU-bYw

[CletusPyle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLo6fLU-bYw

Wow....this guy made some excellent points, I have changed my mind, it's very doubtful a trade is made, JT needs to suck it up and play for the team and his teammates! His payday will come if he acts like a professional and does his job!

[Colts And Orioles]

Wow ...... this guy made some excellent points. I have changed my mind, it's very doubtful a trade is made ...... lJonathan Taylor needs to suck it up and play for the team and his teammates !!! His payday will come if he acts like a professional and does his job !!!






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It may be quite possible that despite all of the turmoil and dissent regarding this seemingly disastrous Jonathan Taylor contract dispute, both sides need to kiss and make up ...... l BOTH l for the sake of the Colts' 2023 season l AND l for the sake of Jonathan Taylor's career as an individual player.

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[JAFF]

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It may be quite possible that despite all of the turmoil and dissent regarding this seemingly disastrous Jonathan Taylor contract dispute, both sides need to kiss and make up ...... l BOTH l for the sake of the Colts' 2023 season l AND l for the sake of Jonathan Taylor's career as an individual player.

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Its a sensible and reasonable and thats why it wont happen. Both sides need to make concessions, and people have lost the ability to compromise.

[rm1369]

Its a sensible and reasonable and thats why it wont happen. Both sides need to make concessions, and people have lost the ability to compromise.

I’m not sure what the Colts need to make concessions on or even how they would. It’s easy to say the they should throw him a bone and up his salary for this year. Or sign him to a mid level contract extension - 2 for 22 or something like that. The problem with a decent two year contract isn’t likely the Colts, it’s likely JT. Every indication is he wants a lot more and likely for longer. Now, I’m sure he’d happily take a bump up to $10m this year if that’s the suggestion, but what does that say to MP? He’s in pretty much the same boat as JT. He’s just at a more valuable position and is handling it much better. At this point it would be stupid to screw MP to give in to JTs hissy fit. So how do the Colts realistically make concessions to JT beyond “prove you are healthy and work in the scheme and we will pay you?”

[Chromeburn]

With how fast the Trey Lance trade happened, I can tell the Colts don't want to trade JT.

[Mr. Session]

Lance going for a 4th means I don’t want to hear any argument that Taylor is worth a 3/4. His camp should understand.

His camp should also recognize for 16 million, if we concede that is his value (I’m not letting them walk that shit back), Miami should be fine parting with a first.

OldColt’s description of him being an asset is the objective truth. His only means of getting the bag are through Indianapolis. We get what we want, or Jonathan can fuck off.

[Oldcolt]

I want Taylor in the backfield but with or without him we will have an excellent running game. Rather than AR needing Taylor, Taylor really needs AR. The holes JT will have (or any of our backs) are a direct result of AR., and they are impressive holes.

[Chromeburn]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10087512-report-reps-feel-jonathan-taylor-eyes-14m-15m-aav-contract-amid-colts-trade-rumors

14-15 million a year?

[ChaosTheory]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10087512-report-reps-feel-jonathan-taylor-eyes-14m-15m-aav-contract-amid-colts-trade-rumors

14-15 million a year?

I'm not all the way there yet... but if this goes down, it'll be the fastest complete-180 I've taken on a guy outside of finding out violent criminal or something.

I've never been more prepared to root against a player and a team.

[Brylok]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10087512-report-reps-feel-jonathan-taylor-eyes-14m-15m-aav-contract-amid-colts-trade-rumors

14-15 million a year?

Helllll no! Waive him. Get rid of the cancerous cretin once and for all. How can they expect fans to cheer for that asshole, even if/when he winds up staying? GET OUT.

[Brylok]

And he's injured

[Hoopsdoc]

I’m afraid the Colts are going to blink and take whatever they can get for him. It seems like he just wants out.

[IndyNorm]

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10087512-report-reps-feel-jonathan-taylor-eyes-14m-15m-aav-contract-amid-colts-trade-rumors

14-15 million a year?

Not surprising. Haven't we been speculating that he asked for CMC money?