Colts release first depth chart from camp

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Obviously it is still very early, but the Colts have released their first depth chart from training camp.

First time I think I have seen an "OR" in a depth chart - Colts didn't want to name a QB1 yet.


https://www.colts.com/news/unofficial-depth-chart-preseason-week-1-game-vs-buffalo-bills


OFFENSE

» WR: Michael Pittman Jr., Ashton Dulin, Breshad Perriman, Malik Turner

» LT: Bernhard Raimann, Arlington Hambright, Matthew Vanderslice

» LG: Quenton Nelson, Carter O'Donnell

» C: Ryan Kelly, Danny Pinter, Dakoda Shepley

» RG: Will Fries, Wesley French, Emil Ekiyor

» RT: Braden Smith, Blake Freeland, Dan Skipper

» TE: Mo Alie-Cox, Drew Ogletree, Will Mallory, Pharaoh Brown, Michael Jacobson

» TE: Kylen Granson, Jelani Woods, La'Micahel Pettway, Nick Eubanks

» WR: Isaiah McKenzie, Josh Downs, Amari Rodgers, Kody Case

» WR: Alec Pierce, Mike Strachan, Juwann Winfree, Vyncint Smith

» QB: Gardner Minshew OR Anthony Richardson, Sam Ehlinger

» RB: Jonathan Taylor, Zack Moss, Deon Jackson, Evan Hull, Jake Funk, Zavier Scott, Kenyan Drake

DEFENSE

» DE: Kwity Paye, Tyquan Lewis, Genard Avery, Khalid Kareem

» DT: DeForest Buckner, Taven Bryan, McTelvin Agim

» NT: Grover Stewart, Eric Johnson II, Adetomiwa Adebawore, Caleb Sampson

» DE: Samson Ebukam, Dayo Odeyingbo, Al-Quadin Muhammad, Titus Leo

» WLB: Shaquille Leonard, E.J. Speed, Grant Stuard, Segun Olubi, Liam Anderson

» MLB: Zaire Franklin, Segun Olubi, Cameron McGrone, JoJo Domann, Donavan Mutin

» SAM: E.J. Speed, Cameron McGrone, JoJo Domann, Liam Anderson

» CB: Darrell Baker Jr., JuJu Brents, Kevin Toliver II, Isaac Taylor-Stuart

» FS: Rodney Thomas II, Henry Black, Marcel Dabo

» SS: Julian Blackmon, Nick Cross, Trevor Denbow, Aaron Maddox

» N: Kenny Moore II, Tony Brown, Chris Lammons, Michael Tutsie

» CB: Dallis Flowers, Darius Rush, Jaylon Jones

SPECIALISTS

» P: Rigoberto Sanchez

» PK: Matt Gay, Lucas Havrisik

» H: Rigoberto Sanchez

» LS: Luke Rhodes

» KR: Dallis Flowers, Isaiah McKenzie

» PR: Isaiah McKenzie, Josh Downs

[Oldcolt]

Ogletree right behind Mo this early in camp is interesting. I'm hoping he beats him out.

Offensive line depth looks scary

[CletusPyle]

Luke Rhodes....$1.2M a year to snap a damn football, nice work if you can get it!:D

[ukcolt]

Ogletree right behind Mo this early in camp is interesting. I'm hoping he beats him out.

Offensive line depth looks scary

I am surprised that Woods is not ahead of Granson.

[JAFF]

Luke Rhodes....$1.2M a year to snap a damn football, nice work if you can get it!:D

When is the last time you saw a punt or FG or xtrapoint fucked up to a bad snap?

[CletusPyle]

When is the last time you saw a punt or FG or xtrapoint fucked up to a bad snap?

Luke Rhodes fan club in the House!:D

[IndyNorm]

I am surprised that Woods is not ahead of Granson.

I wouldn't put much (if any) stock in this. JT and Moss are 1 and 2 on the RB depth chart, and neither of them will be playing anytime soon.

[YDFL Commish]

I am surprised that Woods is not ahead of Granson.

It's because Granson is damn good football player. He's a much better blocker than people give him credit for.

[JAFF]

Luke Rhodes fan club in the House!:D

They have 2 good legs that can get points and change field position. But they cant do their job if the snap is screwed up. The best never get noticed, and they are worth every dollar

[Butter]

Luke Rhodes....$1.2M a year to snap a damn football, nice work if you can get it!:D

I mean it is pretty much vet min money.

[CletusPyle]

I mean it is pretty much vet min money.

Yeah I know, I'm not begrudging the guy, just saying that making a cool million a year snapping a football, is good work. Not implying anyone could do it, I'm sure it's not easy and the pressure is on, because you may only need to screw up once to lose your job!

Personally though...I don't think Rhodes could carry Justin Snow's jockstrap! :D

[ukcolt]

Matt Overton never put a foot wrong either from what i can remember.

We have had some consistent Long Snappers over the past 20 years or so.

[Hoopsdoc]

Ogletree right behind Mo this early in camp is interesting. I'm hoping he beats him out.

Offensive line depth looks scary

Offensive line depth IS scary. It’s downright brutal.

There’s no reason at all that Ballard didn’t bring in at least one or two veterans to compete.

[IndyNorm]

Offensive line depth IS scary. It’s downright brutal.

There’s no reason at all that Ballard didn’t bring in at least one or two veterans to compete.

Let's not start thinking logically about the OL. Ballard's crystal ball has assured him that not only will all of our starters improve upon the somewhat improvement of later in the year but that they will also remain healthy for the entire season. It also assured him that the whole Pryor/Pinter debacle was a slight malfunction and that it has been fixed now.

[Hoopsdoc]

Let's not start thinking logically about the OL. Ballard's crystal ball has assured him that not only will all of our starters improve upon the somewhat improvement of later in the year but that they will also remain healthy for the entire season. It also assured him that the whole Pryor/Pinter debacle was a slight malfunction and that it has been fixed now.

Yep, and it’s not just the depth. They have bizarre confidence that Fries can hold up for a whole season and that Kelly will not be the turnstile he was last year. No competition whatsoever for either of them.

[Racehorse]

Let me ask it again. What players should he have signed? Which draft picks should have been skipped in favor of an OL player?

[JAFF]

Matt Overton never put a foot wrong either from what i can remember.

We have had some consistent Long Snappers over the past 20 years or so.

Matt Overton work with special needs kids. There was a special needs cheerleader on the field for the halftime entertainment, and there was an issue getting her off the field and he swooped in, scooped her out of the chair and ran her off the field. West end of the endzone fans totally lost it, so did the girl.

I believe owns a event building just south of LOS.

[Discflinger]

Anyone know if the guy Pharaoh pinned was the same who hit Dulin?

[IndyNorm]

Let me ask it again. What players should he have signed? Which draft picks should have been skipped in favor of an OL player?

As Brylok previously mentioned Risner would be a good pickup. Also, there were a bunch of OGs who went just after we picked Adebawore in the 4th, which included Chandler Zavala. I think it would have made sense to have gone w/ either Zavala or some other OG there.

But my arm chair GMing is neither here nor there. As I've said quite a bit: it's not my job to make the Colts better, it's Ballard's. And a big reason why the Colts sucked last year was b/c the OL was a complete shit show, which was his making. He even admitted that he made a big mistake with the OL. Sure doesn't seem like he learned anything from those mistakes though b/c the OL was clearly not a priority in the offseason :cool:. Hope his huge gamble to stand pat pays off, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

[rm1369]

As Brylok previously mentioned Risner would be a good pickup. Also, there were a bunch of OGs who went just after we picked Adebawore in the 4th, which included Chandler Zavala. I think it would have made sense to have gone w/ either Zavala or some other OG there.

But my arm chair GMing is neither here nor there. As I've said quite a bit: it's not my job to make the Colts better, it's Ballard's. And a big reason why the Colts sucked last year was b/c the OL was a complete shit show, which was his making. He even admitted that he made a big mistake with the OL. Sure doesn't seem like he learned anything from those mistakes though b/c the OL was clearly not a priority in the offseason :cool:. Hope his huge gamble to stand pat pays off, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

After watching what happened to Luck and what happened with the OL last year, for the life of me I can’t understand how any Colt’s fan can be happy with what Ballard did with the OL this offseason. Especially with a new rookie franchise QB under center. Other than picking which rookie QB to bet the future on, there was nothing more important this off season than the OL.

[IndyNorm]

After watching what happened to Luck and what happened with the OL last year, for the life of me I can’t understand how any Colt’s fan can be happy with what Ballard did with the OL this offseason. Especially with a new rookie franchise QB under center. Other than picking which rookie QB to bet the future on, there was nothing more important this off season than the OL.

Fully agreed. The easiest way to ruin a young QB is to let him get the shit beat out of him on a weekly basis due to a shitty OL. You would think Ballard would want to make damn sure that isn't going to happen to AR, even if he had to let got of some of that cap space he loves to hoard over like Smaug. But he didn't, so now we have to just keep our fingers crossed and hope both the current OL gets better and also stays healthy.

[Chromeburn]

Fully agreed. The easiest way to ruin a young QB is to let him get the shit beat out of him on a weekly basis due to a shitty OL. You would think Ballard would want to make damn sure that isn't going to happen to AR, even if he had to let got of some of that cap space he loves to hoard over like Smaug. But he didn't, so now we have to just keep our fingers crossed and hope both the current OL gets better and also stays healthy.

There is no quick fix for this. Every team is having issues. Every fanbase is complaining about it. I must see five tweets a day about team ______ why don't they sign Dalton Risener etc etc. If he was the answer he would be signed by now. Oline quality and depth is a league wide problem right now because teams are not developing players like they used to. One factor of that is the current CBA which limits practice time. Reggie was just talking about it on one of the morning shows. About how he has to limit reps for guys and the starters end up taking them all be there is not enough to go around. When he played everyone got reps, that is he Manning and Harrison built such great chemistry. Guys need reps to develop, especially oline who need to build chemistry. If you were going to sign a guy it would have been back in FA start. Now you see the league going towards athletic QBs who can improvise when a play breaks down, bc they are constantly breaking down.

Also AR will be holding the ball longer than usual, he has been doing it in 7-on-7 work all camp. He holds the ball long because he is still learning to process what he is seeing. That means the pass rush will get to him a lot. No oline will be able to pass block for a super long time. It's not possible. So we will see a lot of pass rush get by and get to him until he learns to get the ball out quickly. One of his pluses though is he has a good feel for the pass rush, something that showed up a lot in his college tape as opposed to someone like Levis who has a bad feel for the rush.

[Racehorse]

As Brylok previously mentioned Risner would be a good pickup. Also, there were a bunch of OGs who went just after we picked Adebawore in the 4th, which included Chandler Zavala. I think it would have made sense to have gone w/ either Zavala or some other OG there.

But my arm chair GMing is neither here nor there. As I've said quite a bit: it's not my job to make the Colts better, it's Ballard's. And a big reason why the Colts sucked last year was b/c the OL was a complete shit show, which was his making. He even admitted that he made a big mistake with the OL. Sure doesn't seem like he learned anything from those mistakes though b/c the OL was clearly not a priority in the offseason :cool:. Hope his huge gamble to stand pat pays off, but I'm not going to hold my breath.

At least you named names. I do not think Risner is an actual option. He is likely the same player as Fries, but wants paid much better than where he is today. This is why he is still available. No teams are interested in paying him what he is asking, because his best days are behind him.

As to the draft pick, I could see that argument. We have a pretty good amount of rotational players in the front 7, so that pick was kind of a luxury pick. I don't recall who was picked at G after him. It would be interesting to know if they turn out to be any good in the NFL.

[YDFL Commish]

At least you named names. I do not think Risner is an actual option. He is likely the same player as Fries, but wants paid much better than where he is today. This is why he is still available. No teams are interested in paying him what he is asking, because his best days are behind him.

As to the draft pick, I could see that argument. We have a pretty good amount of rotational players in the front 7, so that pick was kind of a luxury pick. I don't recall who was picked at G after him. It would be interesting to know if they turn out to be any good in the NFL.

Yeah, there is a reason that the Broncos moved on from Risner and picked Powers to replace him.

Just like there is a reason he's still available. He either is not very good or doesn't want to play.

[ChaosTheory]

Yeah, there is a reason that the Broncos moved on from Risner and picked Powers to replace him.

Just like there is a reason he's still available. He either is not very good or doesn't want to play.

I heard somewhere that he was liking Twitter posts from fans about him coming to their team (Colts and Vikings at least).

Seems like he does want to play. So it must be some combination of performance + age + price.

[omahacolt]

It's because Granson is damn good football player. He's a much better blocker than people give him credit for.

i think granson is a good candidate to have a breakout year

[IndyNorm]

There is no quick fix for this. Every team is having issues. Every fanbase is complaining about it. I must see five tweets a day about team ______ why don't they sign Dalton Risener etc etc. If he was the answer he would be signed by now. Oline quality and depth is a league wide problem right now because teams are not developing players like they used to. One factor of that is the current CBA which limits practice time. Reggie was just talking about it on one of the morning shows. About how he has to limit reps for guys and the starters end up taking them all be there is not enough to go around. When he played everyone got reps, that is he Manning and Harrison built such great chemistry. Guys need reps to develop, especially oline who need to build chemistry. If you were going to sign a guy it would have been back in FA start. Now you see the league going towards athletic QBs who can improvise when a play breaks down, bc they are constantly breaking down.

Also AR will be holding the ball longer than usual, he has been doing it in 7-on-7 work all camp. He holds the ball long because he is still learning to process what he is seeing. That means the pass rush will get to him a lot. No oline will be able to pass block for a super long time. It's not possible. So we will see a lot of pass rush get by and get to him until he learns to get the ball out quickly. One of his pluses though is he has a good feel for the pass rush, something that showed up a lot in his college tape as opposed to someone like Levis who has a bad feel for the rush.

Maybe Risner isn't the answer, but doing next to nothing in the offseason and just hoping what we have gets better definitely isn't the answer either.

Don't follow your AR comment. If he's going to be holding the ball longer then why wouldn't you want to improve the OL to give him more time?

[IndyNorm]

At least you named names. I do not think Risner is an actual option. He is likely the same player as Fries, but wants paid much better than where he is today. This is why he is still available. No teams are interested in paying him what he is asking, because his best days are behind him.

As to the draft pick, I could see that argument. We have a pretty good amount of rotational players in the front 7, so that pick was kind of a luxury pick. I don't recall who was picked at G after him. It would be interesting to know if they turn out to be any good in the NFL.

Just boggles my mind that out of 12 draft picks we only came away with 1 player to help out the OL.

[YDFL Commish]

i think granson is a good candidate to have a breakout year

I agree.

[Racehorse]

Just boggles my mind that out of 12 draft picks we only came away with 1 player to help out the OL.

I think having a mobile QB like Richardson will help them out. We all know the statue we put back there last year was a big part of the problem. Also, the fact that his arm could not hold up for more than one game made it obvious we had no real deep passing abilities.
But I agree with you.