Colt player suspended for season, possibly Rodgers

[Kray007]

Adam Schefter reports that the Receiver has been suspended for betting on NFL games.

[Kray007]

If he bet on Colts games, he might be looking at a lifetime ban.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Adam Schefter reports that the Receiver has been suspended for betting on NFL games.


Are you talking about the fake Schefter twitter account?


There are a lot of people speculating that it is Pittman but I haven't seen any confirmation yet.

[smitty46953]

Lots of reporting on this, yes, a player is under investigation. Pittman was named by a fake Schefter account. All Adam Schefter has reported is below.

Adam Schefter Retweeted
NFL on ESPN

@ESPNNFL
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The NFL is investigating an unnamed Colts player for possible violations of the league's gambling policy.

[Racehorse]

I hope it was not him.

[ChaosTheory]

Damn. Is this why we signed another receiver?

Hopefully Pittman is just speculation.

[smitty46953]

https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1665818042180280323/photo/1

[Oldcolt]

Whomever it is, if he bet on Colt games his career is done. Bummer. I am old enough to remember Alex Karras being suspended not to mention good ole Art Schlichter.

[Kray007]

Are you talking about the fake Schefter twitter account?


There are a lot of people speculating that it is Pittman but I haven't seen any confirmation yet.

I’m not sure if it was a fake account; I hope it was. A friend messaged me the story, and I gullibly accepted it at face value.

If it was a fake account, it’s one more reason to spit on Elon Musk as he drives by in the Tesla truck, which seems to have a lot in common with nuclear fusion…it’s forever two years away from being ready.

[Kray007]

One reason I fell for it is the fact that Pittman falls wihin the description of the unknown player under investigation…he’s a recognizable player, but not a star. That would seem to rule out guys like Nelson, Leonard and Taylor.

It’d also seem to rule out half of the starting lineup; after all, who’s ever heard of Bernard Raimann, Will Fries, or Jelani Woods?

Any speculation worth more than a plugged nickel?

[ChoppedWood]

JMV was reporting that the word is- it is a player with a name casual fans will recognize, but it not a "star". Doubt that means Pittman- and sure AF hope not. I don't think he is every going to be an NFL definition of a 1, but he is our 1 and has the tools a guy like Richardson can surely use in his early development.

JMV also said the report is "hundreds of bets" including a lot on Colts games. Done for 4 sure if so.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

We'll see how good his sources are:


https://twitter.com/TheDestinAdams/status/1665838052567130114

Sources have told me that the Colts player under investigation for multiple gambling infractions is CB Isaiah Rodgers Sr.

[smitty46953]

I’m not sure if it was a fake account; I hope it was. A friend messaged me the story, and I gullibly accepted it at face value.

If it was a fake account, it’s one more reason to spit on Elon Musk as he drives by in the Tesla truck, which seems to have a lot in common with nuclear fusion…it’s forever two years away from being ready.

Look at this link, picture of the tweet from fake Schefter account. You can tell by the @adamschefterre misspelling. :cool:

https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1665818042180280323/photo/1

[Racehorse]

We'll see how good his sources are:


https://twitter.com/TheDestinAdams/status/1665838052567130114

Dude has to be real stupid to blow millions of dollars for a gambling high.

[ChaosTheory]

We'll see how good his sources are:


https://twitter.com/TheDestinAdams/status/1665838052567130114

Who is this guy?

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Holder also writes that it is Rodgers:


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/37802067/nfl-investigating-colts-player-possible-betting

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Could one of the mods change the thread title?

[IndyNorm]

Holder also writes that it is Rodgers:


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/37802067/nfl-investigating-colts-player-possible-betting

The sportsbook account was opened under the name of an associate of Rodgers, the sources said. Approximately 100 bets were placed on the account over an undisclosed amount of time, including on Colts games, the sources said. Most of the bets were in the $25-$50 range, although there was at least one low four-figure bet.

If this is true then he's done :cool:

[IndyNorm]

Dude has to be real stupid to blow millions of dollars for a gambling high.

No doubt. If true he pissed away $2.8M that he was scheduled to make this year :confused:

[Racehorse]

Could one of the mods change the thread title?

Got it. I almost changed it to "Isaiah Rodgers is one dumbass"

[YDFL Commish]

Probably lifetime ban.

[ChaosTheory]

I've seen enough to believe it's officially Rodgers. That's a totally separate conversation than the merits of the rule itself. It's a rule, it's known. No excuse for dumb shit like that. Pretty surprising.

That said... unless he was betting on his team to lose, I've never understood the outrage with this kind of thing. Especially with the level of advertising the NFL does incessantly pushing gambling onto it's consumers.

But again, that doesn't excuse Rodgers.

[Brylok]

I'm not necessarily defending Rodgers, well I kinda am because I like him and we need him, but the NFL brought this on themselves with their neverending chase of $. I expect more of this to come (in all major sports). NFL revenue increased 40% since 2019 because of sports betting.

*This message NOT brought to you by FanDuel, BetMGM, Bally's, Betfred, Bet365, Unibet, Caesars Sportsbook, Betway, DraftKings, etc, etc, etc.*

[Brylok]

In addition, I don't really trust having pro teams in Las Vegas. The Golden Knights (NHL) have been winning their division and/or in the playoffs since their inception. Hmm. IF the Raiders and (future) A's suddenly are good, questions will be asked. When was the last time the A's were good? 1990? The 70s with Reggie Jackson and Rollie Fingers? Billy Bean days for a while I guess.

Vegas is also going to run out of water.

[smitty46953]

Rodgers statement on Twitter

https://twitter.com/rodgers_isaiah/status/1665894638899658752

[Brylok]

Rodgers statement on Twitter

https://twitter.com/rodgers_isaiah/status/1665894638899658752

Well, shit.

[Oldcolt]

He is done as a player with this team. Time to move on. To bad, wasn't a deep spot to begin with.

[JAFF]

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2023/06/05/colts-isaiah-rodgers-sr-apologizes-for-gambling-investigation/70291550007/



Isaiah Rodgers Sr. is taking responsibility for the allegations of gambling that have him at the center of an NFL investigation.

The Colts cornerback addressed those concerns Monday night on his Twitter account.

"Addressing the current reports, I want to take full responsibility for my actions," Rodgers Sr. said. "I know I have made mistakes and I am willing to do whatever it takes to repair the situation. The last thing I ever wanted to do was to be a distraction to the Colts organization, my coaches and my teammates. I've let people down that I care about.

"I made an error in judgment and I am going to work hard to make sure that those mistakes are rectified through this process. It's an honor to play in the NFL and I have never taken that lightly. I am very sorry for all of this."


The reports Rodgers Sr. referenced started with one from SportsHandle.com that detailed rampant gambling on the part of a Colts player. The Colts and the Indiana Gaming Commission then confirmed to the IndyStar that they were aware of the league's investigation.

"We are aware of the NFL's investigation, and we will have no further comment at this time," the Colts said in a statement.


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Said IGC deputy director Jenny Reske: "We have received information pertaining to this matter and we are following developments. The IGC is not the lead agency on this matter, as it involves alleged violations of a league policy at this point. We will, however, continue to review information as it emerges."

Indianapolis Colts cornerback Isaiah Rodgers Sr. is under NFL investigation for potentially violating the league's gambling policy.
According to the league's gambling policy, league personnel may not engage in "placing, soliciting or facilitating any bet, whether directly or through a third party," on any NFL game, practice or other league event, such as the draft or combine.

League personnel are allowed to place legal bets on non-NFL sporting events, but these actions cannot take place from inside a team facility or in the course of conducting team or league business, such as boarding a plane to an event.


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A punishment for Rodgers Sr. could be severe, based on precedent. The league suspended Falcons star receiver Calvin Ridley for the entire 2021 season for violating the policy, and it just suspended four Lions players, including first-round wide receiver Jameson Williams, who received a six-game ban.

Rodgers Sr. is entering a critical year for him and the Colts. He's in the final year of his rookie contract, slated to make $2.74 million, which is now in jeopardy. The former sixth-round pick out of UMass was set to be the team's No. 1 outside cornerback following Stephon Gilmore's trade to the Cowboys. He was one of the team's only veteran outside options after selecting three cornerbacks in this year's draft.


The 25-year-old has started 10 of his 45 games with the Colts, registering three interceptions. He also served as the team's kick returner prior to Dallis Flowers taking the job in the second half of last season.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Who is this guy?


He has talked and written about the Colts for several years for various websites and platforms. So he does have legit sources. However, you always need to keep in mind when reading these alternate media sources (vs traditional media) that they probably won't use as strict of vetting processes and procedures of sources as traditional media. So they will occasionally "break the story" before traditional media but they might not have the whole story or everything 100% correct.

[Colts And Orioles]

He has talked and written about the Colts for several years for various websites and platforms, so he does have legitimate sources. However, you always need to keep in mind that when reading these alternate media sources (vs traditional media) that they probably won't use as strict of vetting processes and procedures of sources as traditional media use ...... l so they will occasionally "break the story" before traditional media, but they might not have the whole story and/or everything 100% correct.





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And/or in some cases, completely fabricate a story under a phony account (somebody pretending to be a sportswriter, somebody pretending to be a professional athlete, etc.)

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[ChaosTheory]

I'm curious how long the FO knew about this. Can't help but look back at the draft and how heavy we went at DB (four total, three CB's) and wonder.

I know we were already thin at CB, but still.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

I'm curious how long the FO knew about this. Can't help but look back at the draft and how heavy we went at DB (four total, three CB's) and wonder.

I know we were already thin at CB, but still.


Someone asked Holder about this and he responded with:

https://twitter.com/HolderStephen/status/1666088422082240514

For the record, every indication I’ve gotten is that the Colts are just learning about the Rodgers investigation.

They drafted those corners because they were thin at that position (even more so now).

[Brylok]

What decent free agent corners are still available and will we sign one? Off the top of my head we have Moore, Flowers(?), and three rookies.

[ukcolt]

Tony Brown is the only other player on the roster that i can think of that has any experience with the Colts at least. Maybe we picked up some random guys in the off season who may have seen a little game time, that i am unaware of, but no-one of any real note.

[ukcolt]

Here is a list of Free Agent corners, scroll down a little bit.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/cornerback/

There are a few "names", Marcus Peters, Troy Hill, Kyle Fuller, Logan Ryan, but are they any good now?

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Chappell listed the current CB room with the (lack of) NFL experience:

https://twitter.com/mchappell51/status/1665903379472687104


Colts' CB room

* = rookie

Kenny Moore II
Dallis Flowers
Tony Brown
Kevin Tolliver II
Darrell Baker Jr.
JuJu Brents*
Darius Rush*
Jaylon Jones*
Cole Coleman*


Isaiah Rodgers



https://twitter.com/mchappell51/status/1665904693510393856

Excluding Rodgers, only 5 of 9 CBs have played in the NFL:

Moore (87 games/74 starts)
Flowers (13/1)
Tolliver (29/2)
Brown (49/4)
Baker (3/0)

So, good likelihood Chris Ballard and staff are looking over free-agent options.

[YDFL Commish]

I don't want stupid players on my team! It sounds like Rodgers is a very stupid player.

[CletusPyle]

I'm not going to lie....I'm glad it is Rodgers and not Pittman! Poor Pittman, why is this guy so hated? LOL No player on our team gets cheap shotted more than Pittman, if a player can let up on a hit they never do on Pittman, and I notice fans on opposing teams hate this guy! No surprise that he was the one they picked out to falsely accuse!:D

[ChaosTheory]

Here is a list of Free Agent corners, scroll down a little bit.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/cornerback/

There are a few "names", Marcus Peters, Troy Hill, Kyle Fuller, Logan Ryan, but are they any good now?

Marcus Peters is the best football player available at CB and Ballard has history... but he's a shit head and not a size freak like Bradley likes (of course neither is Rodgers).

Who's next best? Ronald Darby?

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

I'm not going to lie....I'm glad it is Rodgers and not Pittman! Poor Pittman, why is this guy so hated? LOL No player on our team gets cheap shotted more than Pittman, if a player can let up on a hit they never do on Pittman, and I notice fans on opposing teams hate this guy! No surprise that he was the one they picked out to falsely accuse!:D


I think Pittman was just a little unlucky with the timing of this news and the transaction wire.

Earlier in the morning, the Colts announced that they signed another WR (Perriman).

So there was a lot of speculation on-line that the person involved was a WR.

And what name would be the most click-baity of all the WR's? The WR1.

The speculation wasn't only on Pittman - there were other WR names thrown out there, too, at the time before other details started to surface.

[Colts And Orioles]

I'm not going to lie ...... I'm glad that it is Rodgers, and not Pittman !!! Poor Pittman ...... why is this guy so hated ??? LOL. No player on our team gets cheap-shotted more than Pittman, if a player can let up on a hit they never do on Pittman ...... l and I notice that fans on opposing teams hate this guy, too !!! l It's no surprise that he was the one they picked out to falsely accuse !!! ) :D





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"Boos on the road are the equivalent of cheers at home."


Rick Barry, Golden State Warriors

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[Brylok]

Marcus Peters is the best football player available at CB and Ballard has history... but he's a shit head and not a size freak like Bradley likes (of course neither is Rodgers).

Who's next best? Ronald Darby?

Eli Apple! (kidding)
Casey Hayward?

[dwilli57]

Probably lifetime ban.

I doubt it. Calvin Ridley was suspended from the Falcons for the entire '22 season bc he bet and bet on his own team.

Not to say Rogers isn't done w the Colts.

[YDFL Commish]

I doubt it. Calvin Ridley was suspended from the Falcons for the entire '22 season bc he bet and bet on his own team.

Not to say Rogers isn't done w the Colts.

He was betting in the facility. Ridley was away from the team.

[Hoopsdoc]

I doubt it. Calvin Ridley was suspended from the Falcons for the entire '22 season bc he bet and bet on his own team.

Not to say Rogers isn't done w the Colts.

Did Ridley bet on the Falcons? I was under the impression he never bet on his own team, though I could be wrong.

At any rate, Jim needs to get old Jerruh on the phone and see if we can still nullify that Gilmore trade.

[Mr. Session]

I'm always left in awe when I see guys throw their career away, especially ones that are halfway competent.

[JAFF]

I'm always left in awe when I see guys throw their career away, especially ones that are halfway competent.

Its a case of someone own ego overloading their survival instinct.

Whats the average career length in the NFL? Google search says 3 years. Less if you are a dumbfuck.

I’m BETTING there are signs all over professional sports locker rooms informing all team employees about gambling. I would cut him him for 2 reasons. I cant trust him and he is stupid.

I will be shocked if he doesnt get a season long ban. The only way the NFL can prevent betting by players is making them former players.

[Oldcolt]

It will be interesting to see if Ballard signs a veteran. This is such a young group that a veteran, one willing to help these guys learn how to be a pro, could be a big addition. If Ballard sees this as more of a rebuild year then maybe he lets the young guys get experience. I'm hoping we sign someone.

[Colts And Orioles]

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This guy just completed the minimum time in order to qualify for an NFL pension (3 years) ...... however, the more years that you play in the NFL, your pension gets larger.

It's insane that he would compromise/jeopardize that when the vast majority of Americans don't have that luxury (a pension) when they retire.



As a fan, I forgive the guy, and I would not mind seeing him return to play for the Colts after serving a one-year suspension ...... but man, this is a quintessential example of being young and stupid.

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[Colts And Orioles]

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This guy just completed the minimum time in order to qualify for an NFL pension (3 years) ...... however, the more years that you play in the NFL, your pension gets larger.

It's insane that he would compromise/jeopardize that when the vast majority of Americans don't have that luxury (a pension) when they retire.



As a fan, I forgive the guy, and I would not mind seeing him return to play for the Colts after serving a one-year suspension ...... but man, this is a quintessential example of being young and stupid.

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All of that said, at least he had the brains to immediately confess to what he did when confronted about it, and not do a Pete Rose act of continually denying it and lying about it ...... admit that you made a mistake, throw yourself at the mercy of the court (the NFL commissioner and its league officials), and be grateful that they will very likely allow you to play again after missing one full year.

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[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

https://twitter.com/gmbremer/status/1666504167081275392

Shane Steichen addresses the "gambling issue" at the start of his press conference.

Notes it's an ongoing investigation.

Players are being educated on the rules and NFL reps are in the building this week making their annual presentation.

https://twitter.com/JoelAErickson/status/1666504386489597952

Rodgers was not on the field today, but Steichen deflected a question about Rodgers' availability with team by saying again that it's an ongoing investigation.

https://twitter.com/gmbremer/status/1666504363886387211

Steichen: "I think any time something like this comes up, you've gotta push it aside and move on."

Adds players have handed it well so far.

[Oldcolt]

He knew exactly what he was doing. He bet on the Colts, from the Colts facility and tried to hide it with a phony account. Just the first two are enough to get you a permanent ban. He is a late round pick who might have worked his way into the starting lineup of a very suspect back field. He is done in pro football. Time to move on, it isn't that big of a loss for us. For him it is huge. Consequences suck.

[rcubed]

Its a case of someone own ego overloading their survival instinct.

Whats the average career length in the NFL? Google search says 3 years. Less if you are a dumbfuck.

I’m BETTING there are signs all over professional sports locker rooms informing all team employees about gambling. I would cut him him for 2 reasons. I cant trust him and he is stupid.

I will be shocked if he doesnt get a season long ban. The only way the NFL can prevent betting by players is making them former players.


And on some $50 bets. Dumb.

[JAFF]

And on some $50 bets. Dumb.

Really? He pissed away a chance at making a 7 figure salary for $50 bet.

I have zero sympathy.

[ChaosTheory]

Really? He pissed away a chance at making a 7 figure salary for $50 bet.

I have zero sympathy.

Over a hundred bets, most were small bets like that.

[Mr. Session]

And on some $50 bets. Dumb.

What an asshole.

[Oldcolt]

What an asshole.

Naw, he did something stupid, welcome to the club.

[Mr. Session]

Naw, he did something stupid, welcome to the club.

It's probably addiction, honestly.

[YDFL Commish]

It's probably addiction, honestly.

Jimmy can help him out with that when he's telling him to GTFO.

[CletusPyle]

It's probably addiction, honestly.

Sure looks that way...I can't help it, I feel a little sorry for the kid. It's not like he beat his wife or something! As long as he didn't bet against the Colts and do something stupid in the game to hurt our chances, if he did that show him no mercy!

[JAFF]

Sure looks that way...I can't help it, I feel a little sorry for the kid. It's not like he beat his wife or something! As long as he didn't bet against the Colts and do something stupid in the game to hurt our chances, if he did that show him no mercy!

This is about MONEY. Its about honest outcomes at the end of a game. If 1 or more than one player can intentionally alter the score or who wins, the NFL becomes all star wrestling, The Bachelor, or dumb fuck wives of Miami.

All it takes is a D back blowing a pass coverage and his bet wins but the fans lose. He is a grown ass man who had a chance to live a dream. He blew it on a $50 bet.

[CletusPyle]

This is about MONEY. Its about honest outcomes at the end of a game. If 1 or more than one player can intentionally alter the score or who wins, the NFL becomes all star wrestling, The Bachelor, or dumb fuck wives of Miami.

All it takes is a D back blowing a pass coverage and his bet wins but the fans lose. He is a grown ass man who had a chance to live a dream. He blew it on a $50 bet.

Like I said, if that is what he did, show no mercy...otherwise, either get gambling out of football or consider yourself part of the problem before you impose the death sentence on the kid!

[JAFF]

Like I said, if that is what he did, show no mercy...otherwise, either get gambling out of football or consider yourself part of the problem before you impose the death sentence on the kid!

It will only get worse. The owners opened the door to gambling thinking they could control it.

[apballin]

So honest question can players play fantasy football?

If so and all he did was parlays including himself and the colts to win.. not saying it’s right but is it that bad?

If he just simply bet on himself to return a kick or get an interception I mean that’s like added motivation

[JAFF]

So honest question can players play fantasy football?

If so and all he did was parlays including himself and the colts to win.. not saying it’s right but is it that bad?

If he just simply bet on himself to return a kick or get an interception I mean that’s like added motivation

Yes it is. Will there be a point spread? If there is, winning may not be enough to cover the bet. That may alter how he plays coverage, chances taken to cover the bet, not just win.

If he needs an interception, gambles on the field, and fails giving the opposition a score, losing the game.

The only way sports can be made “honest”, is to ban players who bet on their own sport.

Want an example, see professional tennis. The Russians have fucked up that sport

[apballin]

Yes it is. Will there be a point spread? If there is, winning may not be enough to cover the bet. That may alter how he plays coverage, chances taken to cover the bet, not just win.

If he needs an interception, gambles on the field, and fails giving the opposition a score, losing the game.

The only way sports can be made “honest”, is to ban players who bet on their own sport.

Want an example, see professional tennis. The Russians have fucked up that sport

You honestly think his 50$ bet is gonna change his play on the field?

I doubt it, seems like it was chump change and just trying to have fun with it no different than fantasy football.

Yes the power of google told me players are allowed to play fantasy football as long as the payoff is no more than 250$

So how do we know players haven’t been dogging it for years because your not gonna tell me these dudes play anything for 250$

It’s all hypocritical shit… there’s literally a Cesar’s lounge at Lucas oil

[Mr. Session]

I can't typically stomach listing to Florio rant but I felt like Simms had the correct take on why athletes absolutely shouldn't gamble at all.

All it takes is someone with an addiction problem falling behind and just needing one come up, just one win, to break even.

Protect them from themselves.

[HoosierinFL]

This is just annoying, we lose a good player, player loses a career and millions of piddly little bets.

I still believe Pete Rose when he says he only bet on the Reds to win, but he’s still banned for a reason.

[Dam8610]

This is just annoying, we lose a good player, player loses a career and millions of piddly little bets.

I still believe Pete Rose when he says he only bet on the Reds to win, but he’s still banned for a reason.

Because the MLB commissioner had the courage to protect the integrity of the game. Can't say the same about Goodell since Brady and Belicheat aren't lifetime banned like Rose is. And since the NFL has already proven they don't give a shit about the integrity of the game, why bother doing gambling suspensions? It's the height of hypocrisy to say that Isaiah Rodgers may have changed how he played the game because he bet on it while not saying that Tom Brady may have changed how he played the game because Bill Belicheat told him exactly what the defense was running based on getting data back from Ernie Adams who was analyzing film of opponents' signal and relaying that data illegally. So remove Brady and Belicheat from the record books and ban them for life, proving you actually care about the integrity of the game, or stop pretending you care about the integrity of the game with these gambling suspensions. Of course, spineless coward Goodell will do neither, because this is more about PR and image than it is about protecting the integrity of the game.

[CletusPyle]

Wow, I am really in the minority here (maybe criticizing my position should now be considered Cletusphobia), because I don't think Pete Rose should have been banned for life, and I think the height of hypocrisy is the NFL showing no compassion for a kid that has a gambling addiction when the are raking in millions from allowing gambling on their games!

By the way, I believe betting on MLB was illegal when Pete Rose bet on it so that is a little different than the current NFL! Pete originally said he never bet on the Reds, then they dangled the possibility that if he admitted to gambling on the Reds they would let him into the HoF, so he did (true or not) and they used his confession to ban him forever!

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

So remove Brady and Belicheat from the record books and ban them for life, proving you actually care about the integrity of the game, or stop pretending you care about the integrity of the game with these gambling suspensions. Of course, spineless coward Goodell will do neither, because this is more about PR and image than it is about protecting the integrity of the game.


Of course, the NFL and Goodell are saying that Tommy Cheater is a role model for everyone to follow. The Cheater recorded a video that will be shown to all players to educate themselves about gambling.


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/06/07/nfl-enlists-tom-brady-to-help-educate-players-on-gambling-policy/

NFL enlists Tom Brady to help educate players on gambling policy

The NFL needs to get players to understand the do’s and don’ts of its gambling policy. To help spread the message, the Shield has enlisted the GOAT.

Via Mike Klis of 9News.com, Tom Brady taped an introduction to the league’s educational video regarding the gambling policy. It will be shown to all players.

In the video, Brady reportedly addresses his love for football, and he explains that playing in the NFL was a privilege of a lifetime. He says that betting on NFL games impairs the integrity of the league and the reputation of everyone on a given team — and that it’s just not worth it.

[ChaosTheory]

Wow, I am really in the minority here (maybe criticizing my position should now be considered Cletusphobia), because I don't think Pete Rose should have been banned for life, and I think the height of hypocrisy is the NFL showing no compassion for a kid that has a gambling addiction when the are raking in millions from allowing gambling on their games!

By the way, I believe betting on MLB was illegal when Pete Rose bet on it so that is a little different than the current NFL! Pete originally said he never bet on the Reds, then they dangled the possibility that if he admitted to gambling on the Reds they would let him into the HoF, so he did (true or not) and they used his confession to ban him forever!

I tend to agree with you. I can't look at all betting under the same blanket. An Isaiah Rodgers $50 bet isn't the same as Tim Donaghy directly manipulating games and earning hundreds of thousands from people making even more than that on those games.

Even bets involving your own team... I always saw a notable difference with betting on your team as opposed to betting against your team.

But if you're worried about a slippery slope, easiest thing to do is outlaw it completely. It's just an absolute mixed signal when every fucking pre-roll on a video, every ad banner on a website, every single commercial break for the NFL is shoving this shit in everyone's face, telling you what a great time it is and glorifying it with famous actors and the Manning family.

[Colts And Orioles]

Wow, I am really in the minority here (maybe criticizing my position should now be considered Cletusphobia), because I don't think Pete Rose should have been banned for life, and I think the height of hypocrisy is the NFL showing no compassion for a kid that has a gambling addiction when the are raking in millions from allowing gambling on their games!

By the way, I believe betting on MLB was illegal when Pete Rose bet on it so that is a little different than the current NFL! Pete originally said he never bet on the Reds, then they dangled the possibility that if he admitted to gambling on the Reds they would let him into the HoF, so he did (true or not) and they used his confession to ban him forever!
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Pete Rose was banned forever in the first place. He got a lifetime ban in 1989, which he agreed to. The Ban was appealable after 2 years, but Rose never had a leg to stand on to be granted a reprieve of that ban, because he was undeniably guilty of everything that he was accused of. And he has done nothing but lie about what he did ever since. He vehemently denied betting on Reds games for years before admitting the truth.

A narcissistic egomaniac like Rose would never admit to something that he did not do, for any reason ...... quite the opposite is true about him, that he denied things that he did do for years before finally admitting that he was guilty of everything that he was accused of in the first place when faced with insurmountable evidence of his deeds.


Also, Rose's situation was the quintessential opposite of what happened with Buck Weaver and Shoeless Joe Jackson when they played for the White Sox in 1919 and 1920. Those players had no rights whatsoever ...... no right to free agency, no right to arbitration, no right to appeal a ruling by the commissioner, etc. Rose, on the other hand, had all of the benefits that those players never had ...... the strongest union in all of professional sports, free agency for the last 11 years of his career, arbitration for the last 15 years of his career, and lawyers and representatives that uneducated players from 100 years ago could only dream about.

Rose bet on games that he was playing in, and managing in, and as previously stated, had all of the luxuries that Shoeless Joe Jackson and Buck Weaver never had. Jackson did everything that he possibly could to not participate in the fixed 1919 World Series (including reporting the entire situation to the team owner prior to the start of the series, trying to give the team owner the money that was given to him that he didn't ask for in the first place, and telling his manager that he didn't want to play at all in the series before the manager coerced him into playing.) Buck Weaver specifically asked for a separate trial (and was denied) from the other accused players because he wanted nothing to do with the fix from the get-go, and never took a dime from the $80,000 that exchanged hands between the gamblers and the other 6 players who were involved in the fix.

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[CletusPyle]

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Pete Rose was banned forever in the first place. He got a lifetime ban in 1989, which he agreed to. The Ban was appealable after 2 years, but Rose never had a leg to stand on to be granted a reprieve of that ban, because he was undeniably guilty of everything that he was accused of. And he has done nothing but lie about what he did ever since. He vehemently denied betting on Reds games for years before admitting the truth.

A narcissistic egomaniac like Rose would never admit to something that he did not do, for any reason ...... quite the opposite is true about him, that he denied things that he did do for years before finally admitting that he was guilty of everything that he was accused of in the first place when faced with insurmountable evidence of his deeds.


Also, Rose's situation was the quintessential opposite of what happened with Buck Weaver and Shoeless Joe Jackson when they played for the White Sox in 1919 and 1920. Those players had no rights whatsoever ...... no right to free agency, no right to arbitration, no right to appeal a ruling by the commissioner, etc. Rose, on the other hand, had all of the benefits that those players never had ...... the strongest union in all of professional sports, free agency for the last 11 years of his career, arbitration for the last 15 years of his career, and lawyers and representatives that uneducated players from 100 years ago could only dream about.

Rose bet on games that he was playing in, and managing in, and as previously stated, had all of the luxuries that Shoeless Joe Jackson and Buck Weaver never had. Jackson did everything that he possibly could to not participate in the fixed 1919 World Series (including reporting the entire situation to the team owner prior to the start of the series, trying to give the team owner the money that was given to him that he didn't ask for in the first place, and telling his manager that he didn't want to play at all in the series before the manager coerced him into playing.) Buck Weaver specifically asked for a separate trial (and was denied) from the other accused players because he wanted nothing to do with the fix from the get-go, and never took a dime from the $80,000 that exchanged hands between the gamblers and the other 6 players who were involved in the fix.

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I think you can hate Rose and think the worse of him and still have compassion for Rodgers for all the reasons that myself and others have pointed out! As far Rose's ban goes, I don't remember if it was Faye Vincent or Bud Selig, but one of them said that their main problem with reinstating Rose was that he had never admitted to betting on baseball, and they clearly implied that if he was to do so it would certainly open the door to his possible reinstatement. Then when he did at least say what they wanted to hear, they basically just used it to beat him over the head with it and used it to justify the ban already in place!

I found their behavior dishonest and cruel...if you had no intention of seriously considering reinstatement, just move on instead of manipulating the guy into admitting to something just to make you feel powerful and justify your actions!

I think you may be a CletusPhobe!:D

[Dam8610]

Of course, the NFL and Goodell are saying that Tommy Cheater is a role model for everyone to follow. The Cheater recorded a video that will be shown to all players to educate themselves about gambling.


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/06/07/nfl-enlists-tom-brady-to-help-educate-players-on-gambling-policy/

I would say that I'm shocked at the sheer audacity of Tom Brady, but I'm not. He's a lying, cheating hypocrite through and through.

[Oldcolt]

Betting for an NFL player is a hard fast rule. No wiggle room. To bad but it is what it is.

Whataboutism with Brady seems misplaced. He never bet on football. Betting almost took down one professional league in this country. When it happened people vowed to never let it happen again. Fair or not there hasn't been a hint of this (player gambling and throwing a game) in pro sports since then. Maybe coincidence but if I am in charge of a multi billion dollar business why chance it. It has become the third rail in pro sports.

[Colts And Orioles]

I think you can hate Rose and think the worse of him and still have compassion for Rodgers for all the reasons that myself and others have pointed out !!!





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I do have compassion for Rodgers, and and even forgiveness.

These are portions of 2 of my previous posts in this thread ......

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All of that said, at least Rodgers had the brains to immediately confess to what he did when confronted about it, and not do a Pete Rose act of continually denying it and lying about it ...... admit that you made a mistake, throw yourself at the mercy of the court (the NFL commissioner and its league officials), and be grateful that they will very likely allow you to play again after missing one full year.

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As a fan, I forgive the guy, and I would not mind seeing him return to play for the Colts after serving a one-year suspension ...... but man, this is a quintessential example of being young and stupid.

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[CletusPyle]

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I do have compassion for Rodgers, and and even forgiveness.

These are portions of 2 of my previous posts in this thread ......

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Sorry, I see that now, not sure how I missed that? I think you are spot on, one year out and then provided he gets some help and shows the proper remorse for his actions he is reinstated. And personally, if that is what happens I hope the Colts give him another chance too!

[Dam8610]

Betting for an NFL player is a hard fast rule. No wiggle room. To bad but it is what it is.

Whataboutism with Brady seems misplaced. He never bet on football. Betting almost took down one professional league in this country. When it happened people vowed to never let it happen again. Fair or not there hasn't been a hint of this (player gambling and throwing a game) in pro sports since then. Maybe coincidence but if I am in charge of a multi billion dollar business why chance it. It has become the third rail in pro sports.

Misplaced? Isn't the whole point of stopping athletes from betting on games to protect the integrity of the game? What's the difference to the integrity of the game if someone cheats to win money for themselves or cheats to win championships for themselves? Is the integrity of the game not ruined in both scenarios?

[JAFF]

Misplaced? Isn't the whole point of stopping athletes from betting on games to protect the integrity of the game? What's the difference to the integrity of the game if someone cheats to win money for themselves or cheats to win championships for themselves? Is the integrity of the game not ruined in both scenarios?

Exactly.

The rule is draconian for a reason. There can be no room for lawyers to find a way to make exceptions, and create a path to gamble and stay in the league. Just more $$$ and time wasted away from the game.

[Oldcolt]

Misplaced? Isn't the whole point of stopping athletes from betting on games to protect the integrity of the game? What's the difference to the integrity of the game if someone cheats to win money for themselves or cheats to win championships for themselves? Is the integrity of the game not ruined in both scenarios?

Agreed that there should have been punishment, but for the whole NE organization. Brady didn't win 7 championships because of a deflated ball, Brady was a damn good QB. Wanting to erase that history and banning them for life is a huge overreaction and has the taste of sour grapes from a bunch of small town losers. That isn't the Colts.

[Racehorse]

Agreed that there should have been punishment, but for the whole NE organization. Brady didn't win 7 championships because of a deflated ball, Brady was a damn good QB. Wanting to erase that history and banning them for life is a huge overreaction and has the taste of sour grapes from a bunch of small town losers. That isn't the Colts.

I don't think he is calling to erase history, but the cheating should have been dealt with firmly at the time, because the results of the cheating have marred the league, and its integrity.

[Oldcolt]

I am quoting from Damn now:

So remove Brady and Belicheat from the record books and ban them for life,

Is on page 7 of this and is a post you liked Racehorse

[Racehorse]

I am quoting from Damn now:

So remove Brady and Belicheat from the record books and ban them for life,

Is on page 7 of this and is a post you liked Racehorse

OK. Dam is an idiot. I was projecting my opinion on him.

[Oldcolt]

And to be clear I do agree completely with your sentiment Racehorse

[Colts And Orioles]

Of course, the NFL and Goodell are saying that Tommy Cheater is a role model for everyone to follow. The Cheater recorded a video that will be shown to all players to educate themselves about gambling.


https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/06/07/nfl-enlists-tom-brady-to-help-educate-players-on-gambling-policy/




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Really ??? Of all of the people that the NFL could have asked for help on this subject, they chose Tom Brady, who along with Bill Belichick was caught red-handed several times for spying on other teams' practices, and then again later on for deflating footballs ???


This is the quint-essential example of the blind leading the blind ...... l "Listen guys, cheating repeatedly isn't so bad, but please, please, PLEASE, by any means necessary, don't gamble on football games !!!"



It reminds of of when Bob Goldthwaite slammed Bruce Willis for doing a Seagram's Wine Coolers commercial, and then turning around and also doing a "Don't Take Drugs" commercial ...... l "Don't take drugs ...... but if you do take drugs, wash them down with some wine coolers."

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[IndyNorm]

Agreed that there should have been punishment, but for the whole NE organization. Brady didn't win 7 championships because of a deflated ball, Brady was a damn good QB. Wanting to erase that history and banning them for life is a huge overreaction and has the taste of sour grapes from a bunch of small town losers. That isn't the Colts.

No one's saying that Brady wasn't a damn good QB, but the deflated balls definitely helped him out (why would he have done it if it didn't). And Spygate absolutely helped the Cheats win Superbowl titles. What the league should have done back in '07 was suspended Belicheat for a year and informed the Cheats that if they were caught illegally video taping their opponents again then Belicheat would receive a lifetime ban and they would strip them of their 3 SBs. If they had done this then the Cheats in all likelihood wouldn't have gone back to cheating.

[ChaosTheory]

No one's saying that Brady wasn't a damn good QB, but the deflated balls definitely helped him out (why would he have done it if it didn't). And Spygate absolutely helped the Cheats win Superbowl titles. What the league should have done back in '07 was suspended Belicheat for a year and informed the Cheats that if they were caught illegally video taping their opponents again then Belicheat would receive a lifetime ban and they would strip them of their 3 SBs. If they had done this then the Cheats in all likelihood wouldn't have gone back to cheating.

The fact that the Saints' bountygate induced harsher penalties than spygate is still laughably absurd.

Saints lost their HC, GM, Asst. HC, and DC on top of losing consecutive 2nd-round picks.

Patriots lost a 1st... and then when they got busted again in 2019, they lost a 3rd.

The money part is a joke anyway, but the fact that they got busted a second time and the fine only increased to basically the rate of inflation is hilarious.

[Dam8610]

I am quoting from Damn now:

So remove Brady and Belicheat from the record books and ban them for life,

Is on page 7 of this and is a post you liked Racehorse

How else do you deal with the fact that it's known that the integrity of the game was completely nonexistent in that era? Bill Polian banned cameras from the sidelines of the AFC Championship Game and the Colts won. You don't think the result would've changed in several other games under the same conditions?

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

According to Schefter, the latest round of suspensions related to gambling will be finalized this week. He also notes that there will be multiple NFL players receiving a full season suspension (hopefully no other Colts besides Rodgers)


https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1674094126802042880

A handful of NFL players, including Colts’ cornerback and kick returner Isaiah Rodgers, are expected to receive season-long suspensions this week for allegedly gambling, sources tell ESPN.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1674099797748219904

Players suspended for gambling the past two offseasons:

At least one year (bets on NFL):
- WR Calvin Ridley
- S CJ Moore
- WR Quintez Cephus
- DE Shaka Toney

Six games (non-NFL bets but made at work facilities):
- WR Jameson Williams
- WR Stanley Berryhill

[Colts And Orioles]

According to Schefter, the latest round of suspensions related to gambling will be finalized this week. He also notes that there will be multiple NFL players receiving a full season suspension (hopefully no other Colts besides Rodgers)


https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1674094126802042880


https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1674099797748219904





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If Rodgers gets a one-year suspension, as Schefter infers, then he is very fortunate.

I hope that he is back with the Colts for the 2024 season.

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[nate505]

Sounds like he wasn't the only one.

Personally I think it's a good punishment. It's severe, but not career ending unless he gets blackballed or something. I hope he doesn't though. I feel like players have done a lot worse in life, though like in life the more talented you are the more you can get away with stuff.

Once he serves his suspension I wouldn't care if he came back to the Colts.

[Oldcolt]

Agree that this makes sense. Severe but not career threatening. Hopefully he gets some help, gets a hold of a great trainer and comes back with intensity next year. I want him back here if possible. He is a decent corner and you cannot have enough of them

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

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If Rodgers gets a one-year suspension, as Schefter infers, then he is very fortunate.

I hope that he is back with the Colts for the 2024 season.

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The prior suspensions for Ridley, Moore, Cephus and Toney were announced as indefinite suspensions with a minimum length of one year.

The player then has to apply for re-instatement.

Ridley applied for re-instatement on the first day that he was eligible and was granted re-instatement after only one suspended season.

[JAFF]

Colts' Isaiah Rodgers, two other NFL players receive indefinite suspensions for gambling violations

[JAFF]

https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/chris-ballard-on-cutting-two-suspended-colts-the-integrity-of-the-game-is-of-the-utmost-importance

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Rodgers gave his first interview since he was suspended. You can read the full article via the link below. I have excerpted a few items from the article:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/39437034/suspended-nfl-player-isaiah-rodgers-sr-says-bets-were-made-others


Rodgers said the wagers, including some smaller ones and a $1,000 prop bet, were placed from his online sports gambling account. He said they were made for people who lived in Florida, where online sports betting at that time remained illegal.

"Just trying to help friends and family out, just knowing that it wasn't legal at the time in Florida and it was in Indiana," Rodgers told ESPN.



"At the end of the day I knew the rules, I wasn't supposed to do it and I got to take what comes with it," Rodgers said.


Rodgers was asked why he would jeopardize the $850,000 salary he was set to earn during the 2023-24 season.

"I questioned myself, too," Rodgers told ESPN. "But I thought I probably wouldn't get caught, wouldn't get in trouble."


He said he had known for months that the suspension was coming -- first hearing from his agent in late February or early March that he was under investigation by the NFL -- but he kept the news to himself.

[albany ed]

Way back in the 60's, Paul Hornung and Alex Karras were suspended for a year for gambling. They were gambling with illegal bookies, so the chances of being compromised were greater than Roger' online betting. When they returned, they both renewed fine careers. Can Rogers do the same? Let's hope so.

[njcoltfan]

Way back in the 60's, Paul Hornung and Alex Karras were suspended for a year for gambling. They were gambling with illegal bookies, so the chances of being compromised were greater than Roger' online betting. When they returned, they both renewed fine careers. Can Rogers do the same? Let's hope so.
I thought the Colt's released Rodgers.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

I thought the Colt's released Rodgers.


Yeah, he was released by the Colts and then signed with the Eagles.

[ChaosTheory]

Sure could've used his ass this season.

Some dummies have to touch the stove.

[IndyNorm]

He said he had known for months that the suspension was coming -- first hearing from his agent in late February or early March that he was under investigation by the NFL -- but he kept the news to himself.

Probably one of the reasons why the FO was so pissed off about it. He really fucked over the team even moreso by not letting the FO know about it in Feb/Mar when he was notified.