2023 NFL Draft thread - Day 2 discussion - Rounds 2 and 3

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Round 2 starts at 7 Eastern / 6 Central.


ESPN: Mike Greenberg, Mel Kiper Jr., Louis Riddick, Booger McFarland, Chris Mortensen, Adam Schefter, Suzy Kolber

ABC: Rece Davis, Todd McShay, Kirk Herbstreit, Desmond Howard, Sam Ponder, Robert Griffin III, David Pollack, Jesse Palmer, Laura Rutledge, Pete Thamel

NFL Network: Rich Eisen, Daniel Jeremiah, Charles Davis, Joel Klatt, Peter Schrager, Ian Rapoport, Melissa Stark

[njcoltfan]

Joey Porter Jr. and Jonathan Mingo would be 2 nice additions today !!

[njcoltfan]

How about Dawand Jones and Cody Mauch ??

[ukcolt]

I would love O'Cyrus Torrence at guard. Or the best blocking TE in the draft in Darnell Washington.

Either of these two would make our running game so much better for Taylor and Richardson.

Arggghhh I hate typing Richardson in regards the running game, gave me shivers thinking of Trent Richardson.

We really need some help at corner though, so DJ Turner from Michigan or Joey Porter.

Ideally would like to see us trade down to the mid 40's, hopefully Washington is still there, pick up an extra 3rd, package the two thirds to get back into the back end of the 2nd and maybe get one of the CB's, like Brents or Ringo.

The talent drop-off in this draft is high, and I don't see much value in guys after the end of the 2nd round. This is a really poor draft for both real top end talent and depth overall.

[Oldcolt]

The way Ballard has worked day 2 and especially day 3 I have faith we will find some gems in the next few days

[smitty46953]

OG O'Cyrus Torrence if available, need fix the line :cool:

[IndyNorm]

I would love O'Cyrus Torrence at guard. Or the best blocking TE in the draft in Darnell Washington.

Either of these two would make our running game so much better for Taylor and Richardson.

Arggghhh I hate typing Richardson in regards the running game, gave me shivers thinking of Trent Richardson.

We really need some help at corner though, so DJ Turner from Michigan or Joey Porter.

Ideally would like to see us trade down to the mid 40's, hopefully Washington is still there, pick up an extra 3rd, package the two thirds to get back into the back end of the 2nd and maybe get one of the CB's, like Brents or Ringo.

The talent drop-off in this draft is high, and I don't see much value in guys after the end of the 2nd round. This is a really poor draft for both real top end talent and depth overall.

It's quite possible both Torrence and Washington will be there at 35. I'd be happy with either but prefer Torrence since we really need to upgrade RG, and this would allow Fries to go back to being a backup swing OG and Pinter to full time backup OC (maybe that's already happened).

Porter would be really good too, but think the writing is on the wall that the Steelers take him at 32.

[Dam8610]

With the names left, I want a trade down at 35. Players who I think would be good value at 35 (in order of ranking on nfl.com):

WR Jalin Hyatt
LB Drew Sanders
CB Brian Branch
TE Luke Musgrave
TE Michael Mayer
EDGE Keion White
CB Joey Porter Jr.
C John Michael Schmitz
CB Kelee Ringo
WR Cedric Tillman
OG O'Cyrus Torrence
TE Darnell Washington
EDGE Derick Hall
EDGE Isaiah Foskey
EDGE BJ Ojulari
C Joe Tippmann

With that much talent, trading down just makes sense. Maybe even twice. Picking up a 3 and a 2 next year would be great.

[Lov2fish]

Has to be Porter or Torrence at 35 if there. We need immediate help at both positions.

[Kray007]

Take Torrance, then get on the horn and sigh Rock Ya Sin.

[ChaosTheory]

CORNERBACK

I thought Banks would've been nice for Bradley, and I started hoping he'd keep sliding, but the Giants grabbed him. Porter Jr. is built exactly how Ballard/Bradley want, but I'm not confident he'll be there.

Brian Branch isn't as long or athletic as they typically go for, but he's a good football player. They'd have to be comfortable moving Kenny Moore outside permanently, though.


O-LINE

I don't know who I prefer between Schmitz and Torrence. Torrence has more talent, Schmitz is just a better football player right away. Plus Schmitz could possibly take over at C for Kelly when the time comes and I've read people rave about his leadership.

But I like Torrence, too. He's a motherfucker in the run, but needs some technique in pass pro. If he could do things like quick set more often (like Nelson does), he'd look even better because once he latches on, you're fucked. Also noteworthy when analysts mention the motor of a 345lbs. kid.

He can be a little savvy, too. At 1:26 is one of my favorite 10-second clips of him. I fucking love when guys do subtle things like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5x2QAZGPtc


TIGHT END

I'm surprised Mayer wasn't taken already, didn't expect it. He's more well-rounded, but I still like Darnell Washington. For this team with Jonathan Taylor, and with this TE room, I just like Washington's prowess as a blocker too much along with his freakish athleticism.

Especially now that we have Richardson at QB... is some 13 personnel that crazy to picture with that TE room?

[CletusPyle]

If the Colts get this draft right, and AR develops under Steichen...even he isn't a superstar, just a very good QB, this team is going to be a handful in the next couple of years. I know this team is better than what they showed last season! We had a bunch of guys under-perform last season that will be given another chance.

It is going to be a blast watching this team develop and grow over the next few seasons!:D

[Hoopsdoc]

I’d say the odds are pretty good we trade down.

[IndyNorm]

Take Torrance, then get on the horn and sigh Rock Ya Sin.

That would work as long as Rock isn't all pissed off about being traded.

[omahacolt]

need a corner somewhere but give this kid some oline and weapons. support this kid with talent around him.

[YDFL Commish]

need a corner somewhere but give this kid some oline and weapons. support this kid with talent around him.

I so much agree. Even though BP didn't actually succeed at this early, he kept trying. Failures were EG Green, Jerome Pathon and Quadry Ismael.

But BP kept swinging, w/Edge, Reggie, Dallas, Stokely.

Just keep swinging!

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

https://twitter.com/JoelAErickson/status/1652017584353562625

Tarik Glenn is going to announce the Colts pick in the second round, per NFL release.

[Dam8610]

https://twitter.com/JoelAErickson/status/1652017584353562625

Neat.

[IndyNorm]

https://twitter.com/JoelAErickson/status/1652017584353562625

Hopefully he'll be announcing our next starting RG!!

[smitty46953]

https://twitter.com/JoelAErickson/status/1652017584353562625

That's cool, won't be as funny as Mcafee announcing Okereke though. That was a good one. :cool:

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

That's cool, won't be as funny as Mcafee announcing Okereke though. That was a good one. :cool:

Reggie wasn't too bad either although McAfee ended up overshadowing him that night.

[smitty46953]

Steelers gotta go Porter or the Steeler fans will go beserk :cool:

[Brylok]

The pic has been in for over 2 minutes

[Spike]

Tits now on the clock after a trade, Levis?

[smitty46953]

Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
The #Titans have traded up.

[Spike]

Levis to the Tits.

[CletusPyle]

They were afraid the Rams or Seahawks would grab him....good for Levis, I hope not BAD for us!

[Brylok]

Now the irrational hate he had from many Colts fans will be justified.

[Spike]

Colts turn, commercial time!

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Trade with Vegas

[CletusPyle]

Mayer? Best available right?

[ChaosTheory]

What's going on with Mayer?

[Brylok]

Traded back. Where do we pick now?

[smitty46953]

The #Raiders traded up with the #Colts, traded pick 38 and 141 to get up to pick 35.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Traded back. Where do we pick now?


The Colts trade: Pick 35

The Raiders trade: Pick 38, 141.

[CletusPyle]

I wouldn't trade with McDouche!:D

[Dam8610]

The #Raiders traded up with the #Colts, traded pick 38 and 141 to get up to pick 35.

Too little

[ChaosTheory]

Down 3 spots for another 5th. Might trade again.

[CletusPyle]

We might regret that trade!:eek:

[Spike]

Mayer, name alone, fits the Raiders.

[Spike]

We might regret that trade!:eek:

Ballard loves to trade down, absolutely loves it.

[Dam8610]

We might regret that trade!:eek:

Why? So much talent on the board. Get a 3 out of it next time though.

[CletusPyle]

Why? So much talent on the board. Get a 3 out of it next time though.

I think Mayer is going to be very good!

But I guess the cheerleaders wanted Mo Cox!:D

[Dam8610]

I think Mayer is going to be very good!

But I guess the cheerleaders wanted Mo Cox!:D

Darnell Washington is still on the board and will probably be better.

[ChaosTheory]

SEA takes D. Hall.

[ChaosTheory]

Darnell Washington is still on the board and will probably be better.

I agree. Didn't see Mayer dropping like he did, though.

[Dam8610]

SEA takes D. Hall.

That's more disappointing than Mayer.

[smitty46953]

Traded again with Falcons :cool:

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Colts trade down again - now with Atlanta

[Dam8610]

Got a 4 to go down to 44.

[smitty46953]

Traded again with Falcons :cool:

38 for 44 and 110 :cool:

[Dam8610]

Traded again with Falcons :cool:

Probably happened right after the Hall pick. JMS or Washington at 44 would make this round fantastic.

[CletusPyle]

Colts must see some real treasure in the later rounds!

[Thorgrim]

Colts must see some real treasure in the later rounds!

Immediate depth. I like it

[Dam8610]

Colts must see some real treasure in the later rounds!

More swings = more hits, and more ammo = more ability to trade up in R3.

[ChaosTheory]

38 for 44 and 110 :cool:

We got two picks out of that?

[smitty46953]

We got two picks out of that?

yes, 44 and 110 for our 38

[smitty46953]

Colts have two 4th rounders and four 5th rounders. :cool:

[ChaosTheory]

yes, 44 and 110 for our 38

Yeah, brainfart.

[Dam8610]

We got two picks out of that?

Generally how trading down works. :D

[ChaosTheory]

Generally how trading down works. :D

Ha. I read the 44 as "4th" and even that doesn't make sense because it's a 5th. Live to fight another day.

Colts are dodging bullets with these picks as far as I'm concerned.

[Dam8610]

Damn missed Foskey, too.

[ChaosTheory]

Damn missed Foskey, too.

You like him more than White?

[smitty46953]

I liked Foskey at Notre Dame, nice pick for Saints. :cool:

[Dam8610]

You like him more than White?

He's more of a power edge IMO. Colts need guys to fill LEO.

[Dewey 5]

Some young guns now in the AFC South
Lawrence, Stroud, Richardson & Levis.

[Dam8610]

Missing Ojulari is even worse.

[ChaosTheory]

Edges flying off.

[ChaosTheory]

Musgrave gone. Washington still there.

[Dam8610]

Dodged a bullet with Musgrave. Washington or JMS will be available at 44.

[Dam8610]

Tippmann over JMS? Wow.

[smitty46953]

With pick 43 overall in the 2023 NFL Draft, the Jets are selecting OL Joe Tippman from Wisconsin. Great Pick :cool:

[ChaosTheory]

Is Branch to Colts accurate?

[Dam8610]

Is Branch to Colts accurate?

Haven't seen it yet

[smitty46953]

: With pick 44 overall in the 2023 NFL Draft, the #Colts are selecting CB Julius Brents :cool:

Warren Central product. Played at Iowa and Kansas State.

Long, long corner at a big-time position of need.

[IndyNorm]

: With pick 44 overall in the 2023 NFL Draft, the #Colts are selecting CB Julius Brents :cool:

Well shit. Was hoping it'd be Torrence :cool:

[Dam8610]

: With pick 44 overall in the 2023 NFL Draft, the #Colts are selecting CB Julius Brents :cool:

Warren Central product. Played at Iowa and Kansas State.

Long, long corner at a big-time position of need.

Tall long fast, fits Ballard to a T.

[ChaosTheory]

Off my radar guy. 6'3 CB, monster times in the quickness drills, 34" arms.

[smitty46953]

Tall long fast, fits Ballard to a T.

Julius Brents was drafted with pick 44 of round 2 in the 2023 draft class. He scored a 9.99 #RAS out of a possible 10.00. This ranked 4 out of 2222 CB from 1987 to 2023. http://ras.football/ras-information/?PlayerID=23041&ovl=Colts

[Dam8610]

Julius Brents was drafted with pick 44 of round 2 in the 2023 draft class. He scored a 9.99 #RAS out of a possible 10.00. This ranked 4 out of 2222 CB from 1987 to 2023. http://ras.football/ras-information/?PlayerID=23041&ovl=Colts

Okay, so just look at RAS the rest of the way.

[CletusPyle]

Julius Brents was drafted with pick 44 of round 2 in the 2023 draft class. He scored a 9.99 #RAS out of a possible 10.00. This ranked 4 out of 2222 CB from 1987 to 2023. http://ras.football/ras-information/?PlayerID=23041&ovl=Colts

Average NFL player's RAS is 7.16....this guy did a little better than that!:D

[smitty46953]

Okay, so just look at RAS the rest of the way.

Ballard sure seems to value it :cool:

[smitty46953]

just thought of this, Where was Tarik for our pick? Must have got tired of waiting and went for a hotdog? :cool:

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

just thought of this, Where was Tarik for our pick? Must have got tired of waiting and went for a hotdog? :cool:


Or thought Ballard was going to keep on trading down

[Spike]

Cody Mauch with that Jack Lambert smile.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Okay, so just look at RAS the rest of the way.


Yep - and if there are two players with a similar RAS score - there are bonus points if they are a team captain.

[Chromeburn]

Love the first two picks here.

[Dam8610]

Love the first two picks here.

Agreed

[Dam8610]

Looking for Zack Kuntz or Darnell Washington at 79 based on RAS. Other options:

Bryce Ford-Wheaton
Yaya Diaby
Luke Schoonmaker
Trevor Nowaske
Matt Landers
Trenton Simpson
Blake Freeland
Anthony Bradford
Darius Rush
Nick Hampton
Adetomima Adebawore
Tucker Kraft

[Thorgrim]

Some young guns now in the AFC South
Lawrence, Stroud, Richardson & Levis.

Who'd have thought that Lawrence might be the most experienced qb starting opening weekend in the South this year?

[Chromeburn]

For months Titan fans have been crowing about how Levis sucks and the Colts will end up with him every time someone talked about the rumor. Then they end up drafting him.

[Dam8610]

For months Titan fans have been crowing about how Levis sucks and the Colts will end up with him every time someone talked about the rumor. Then they end up drafting him.

I don't know what they're doing with their QB room. Seems they don't, either.

[ChaosTheory]

Schmitz, Schoonemaker, Torrence, back-to-back-to-back. Ouch.

[IndyNorm]

Schmitz, Schoonemaker, Torrence, back-to-back-to-back. Ouch.

Yep. Not good :cool:

[Dam8610]

Schmitz, Schoonemaker, Torrence, back-to-back-to-back. Ouch.

Washington still there. Washington at 79 would be a steal.

[smitty46953]

With pick 59 overall in the 2023 NFL Draft, the #Bills are selecting OL O'Cyrus Torrence. :cool:


I wanted him :rolleyes:

[ChaosTheory]

JAX takes TE Strange. Wow. Washington getting skipped over because he's a non-sexy blocking TE?

[smitty46953]

Washington still there. Washington at 79 would be a steal.

Brenton Strange and Luke Schoonmaker go before him? :cool:

[Dam8610]

Brenton Strange and Luke Schoonmaker go before him? :cool:

I like Jags being dumb.

[IndyNorm]

Julius Brents was drafted with pick 44 of round 2 in the 2023 draft class. He scored a 9.99 #RAS out of a possible 10.00. This ranked 4 out of 2222 CB from 1987 to 2023. http://ras.football/ras-information/?PlayerID=23041&ovl=Colts

Surprised it's that high since his 40 time isn't the best. It should be plenty good for Bradley's D, but still relatively slow for a CB.

[ChaosTheory]

Surprised it's that high since his 40 time isn't the best. It should be plenty good for Bradley's D, but still relatively slow for a CB.

Look at his shuttles, broad jump... basically everything else. Crazy quickness drills for his size.

[Dam8610]

Surprised it's that high since his 40 time isn't the best. It should be plenty good for Bradley's D, but still relatively slow for a CB.

His 10 and 20 yard splits are elite, as are his shuttle and 3 cone times. So basically, he's quick, fast enough for the first 20 yards, and huge with long arms. Just don't make him run with the fastest WRs on go routes.

[IndyNorm]

Look at his shuttles, broad jump... basically everything else. Crazy quickness drills for his size.

Yeah, he's clearly there everywhere else, and I'm not complaining about his 40 time. I would just think someone rated 9.99 out of 10 would be green across the board, which makes me curious to see the formula and how each measurement is weighted.

[Dam8610]

Yeah, he's clearly there everywhere else, and I'm not complaining about his 40 time. I would just think someone rated 9.99 out of 10 would be green across the board, which makes me curious to see the formula and how each measurement is weighted.

It's the size. CBs just aren't 6'3".

[ChaosTheory]

Yeah, he's clearly there everywhere else, and I'm not complaining about his 40 time. I would just think someone rated 9.99 out of 10 would be green across the board, which makes me curious to see the formula and how each measurement is weighted.

I posted in the other thread... he's basically a slightly bigger and more athletic Richard Sherman who was also a Gus Bradley guy.

[IndyNorm]

Anyway, we still need OL. Come on Ballard :cool:

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

JAX takes TE Strange. Wow. Washington getting skipped over because he's a non-sexy blocking TE?

Brenton Strange and Luke Schoonmaker go before him? :cool:


https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1652123173049991169

TE Darnell Washington is reportedly falling because some teams have concerns with a knee injury, per Houston's NBC affiliate

[Dam8610]

Hendon Hooker to Lions

[Dam8610]

https://twitter.com/NFL_DovKleiman/status/1652123173049991169

Colts took Raimann with knee issues at 77 last year.

[ChaosTheory]

What is this knee injury for Washington?

[smitty46953]

Colts coming up soon, pick or trade back? :cool:

[Dam8610]

Colts coming up soon, pick or trade back? :cool:

I might trade back, there's a lot of talent on the board.

[smitty46953]

With pick 79 overall in the 2023 NFL Draft, the #Colts are WR Josh Down :cool:

[Dam8610]

With pick 79 overall in the 2023 NFL Draft, the #Colts are WR Josh Down :cool:

Josh Downs. Only 8.99 RAS.

[ChaosTheory]

Two smaller receivers the Colts have added now. Interesting.

[CletusPyle]

Is that it for today?

[smitty46953]

Is that it for today?

Barring trading back up, yes that's it

[IndyNorm]

Two smaller receivers the Colts have added now. Interesting.

It is interesting. Maybe it was Reich who pushed for only tall WRs.

[IndyNorm]

And still no OL :mad:

[Dam8610]

Don't like Tyjae Spears to the Titans.

[Dam8610]

And still no OL :mad:

They'll get some tomorrow, which is fine for IOL. If they walked away with Chandler Zavala and Ricky Stromberg, for example, that would be a great OL draft.

[omahacolt]

And still no OL :mad:

4th round is a good spot for that

[smitty46953]

Colts have 106 and 110 in 4th, 138, 141, 162, and 176 in 5th round :cool:

[Dam8610]

Colts have 106 and 110 in 4th, 138, 141, 162, and 176 in 5th round :cool:

There's a ton of talent falling too.

[IndyNorm]

They'll get some tomorrow, which is fine for IOL. If they walked away with Chandler Zavala and Ricky Stromberg, for example, that would be a great OL draft.

Hope you're right. I do like Zavala.

[Dam8610]

Steelers get Darnell Washington. Hate that.

[ukcolt]

If they could get the tackle Dawand Jones from Ohio State and one of the guards, there are still a lot of decent guards on the board, with the two picks at the start of the 4th that would be great value.

I also like Zack Kuntz from Old Dominion as a TE prospect in the 5th.