Round 2 and beyond

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

There has been a lot of discussion about the Colts first selection (and justifiedly so) - who will be available if the Colts stay at Pick 1.04, who the Colts should draft, etc - but not as much discussion about other prospects.


In this thread, I am interested to hear from you Freaks if there are particular players that you hope the Colts select with their other 8 draft picks.

[omahacolt]

need corner, oline and wr.


i am not up on all the players but that is what i want to target early and often

[IndyNorm]

https://nflmocks.com/2023/04/08/2023-nfl-draft-late-round-colts/

Did a Google search, and this is the first article that popped up. His thought process makes sense (RAS score being highly valued by Ballard), and the players he lists all seem to be pretty intriguing, especially Zavala.

[ChaosTheory]

The QB situation has kept me from looking much beyond Rd1. In terms of needs I'd say corner is #1, (interior) OL next.

After that, I might actually prefer a lunch pail TE over a WR. I've read that this draft is super deep at TE and, in Reich's offense at least, Jack Doyle left a massive hole.

[Chromeburn]

Guys I would look out for that fit us and we’ve shown some interest.

Julius Brents - CB
Cody Mauch - OT
Cam Smith - CB
Kelee Ringo - CB
Darius Rush - CB
O’Cyrus Torrence - G
Nick Saldivieri - IOL
Ricky Stromberg - IOL
Dawand Jones - OT
Zay Flowers - WR
Tyler Scott - WR
Marvin Mims - WR
Yaya Diaby - edge
Bryan Bresee - DT
Adetomiwa Adebawore - DL
TK McLendon - DL
Trenton Simpson - LB
Demarvion Overshawn - LB
Dorian Williams - LB
Mahamoud Diabate - edge

[Dam8610]

Calijah Kancey
AA from Northwestern
BJ Ojulari
John Michael Schmitz
Steve Avila
Several CBs (CB is deep)

Those are some guys I'd like to see the Colts target on Day 2

[YDFL Commish]

Guys I would look out for that fit us and we’ve shown some interest.

Julius Brents - CB
Cody Mauch - OT
Cam Smith - CB
Kelee Ringo - CB
Darius Rush - CB
O’Cyrus Torrence - G
Nick Saldivieri - IOL
Ricky Stromberg - IOL
Dawand Jones - OT
Zay Flowers - WR
Tyler Scott - WR
Marvin Mims - WR
Yaya Diaby - edge
Bryan Bresee - DT
Adetomiwa Adebawore - DL
TK McLendon - DL
Trenton Simpson - LB
Demarvion Overshawn - LB
Dorian Williams - LB
Mahamoud Diabate - edge

I would agree with most of those players.

[YDFL Commish]

Calijah Kancey
AA from Northwestern
BJ Ojulari
John Michael Schmitz
Steve Avila
Several CBs (CB is deep)

Those are some guys I'd like to see the Colts target on Day 2

I really like John Michael Schmitz.

[Oldcolt]

This is an area Ballard has been very good at drafting. Fairly confident we get a few good players here

[Dam8610]

Blake Freeland would also be an interesting Round 3/Day 3 draftee. He has many traits the Colts value as well, namely length, athleticism, team leader and captain, four year starter. He'd make a great swing tackle and potential competitor for the LT spot for Raimann.

[Mr. Session]

They have to be looking at TE, right?

That was one of the worst position groups I've seen this franchise trot out on the field in 25 years.

[Dam8610]

They have to be looking at TE, right?

That was one of the worst position groups I've seen this franchise trot out on the field in 25 years.

There are some good ones up high if they're willing to take a chance. They could go with Darnell Washington at 35 and just have the largest, most freakishly athletic TE room ever between Woods and Washington. Not to mention fantastic run blocking from the TE position.

[ukcolt]

I am intrigued to see what Andrew Ogletree can bring, he was tearing things up in pre-season.

Alie-Cox, Woods, Granson, Ogletree is not the worst TE group, if we actually started to try to use them. Alie-Cox has not lived up to his hype and isn't worth the contract he is on at the moment, but that does not mean he is a terrible player either. Hopefully Woods or Ogletree can become the passing threat. Then maybe Granson is on the outside looking in. But he is the TE in the room who has more of an out and out passing threat than the others.

[ChaosTheory]

They have to be looking at TE, right?

That was one of the worst position groups I've seen this franchise trot out on the field in 25 years.

There are some good ones up high if they're willing to take a chance. They could go with Darnell Washington at 35 and just have the largest, most freakishly athletic TE room ever between Woods and Washington. Not to mention fantastic run blocking from the TE position.

I've been in minority camp that wants another TE over a WR. The more I think about it, I'm not convinced that TE over interior OL would be a bad move.

Washington in particular stands out and not just because he's a near-Jelani Woods clone... it's because he seems to be the best run-blocking TE in the draft. I think that's huge for JT and something we miss from Doyle. Pairing Woods and Washington is very intriguing to me.

Especially if Ogletree returns and continues his trajectory from last pre-season. Last I read, he should be ready for OTA's. The three of them would be a pretty unique arsenal in the NFL match-up wise.

[ChaosTheory]

I am intrigued to see what Andrew Ogletree can bring, he was tearing things up in pre-season.

Alie-Cox, Woods, Granson, Ogletree is not the worst TE group, if we actually started to try to use them. Alie-Cox has not lived up to his hype and isn't worth the contract he is on at the moment, but that does not mean he is a terrible player either. Hopefully Woods or Ogletree can become the passing threat. Then maybe Granson is on the outside looking in. But he is the TE in the room who has more of an out and out passing threat than the others.

Yeah, I'm not sure MAC will still be around. Washington would be an improvement right away and it would be a skillset that isn't Woods' strength (blocking).

[Dam8610]

35 might actually be a good spot to trade down. Typically a drop of ~10 spots will net a 3rd or a 2nd next year. Kancey is probably gone by then, beyond him, there's no real "must have" player in that range where 35 vs. 45 will make a huge difference. Getting another top 75 player in exchange for getting a slightly lesser top 50 player is a trade I would make every time in this (and most) drafts.

[Dam8610]

I've been in minority camp that wants another TE over a WR. The more I think about it, I'm not convinced that TE over interior OL would be a bad move.

Washington in particular stands out and not just because he's a near-Jelani Woods clone... it's because he seems to be the best run-blocking TE in the draft. I think that's huge for JT and something we miss from Doyle. Pairing Woods and Washington is very intriguing to me.

Especially if Ogletree returns and continues his trajectory from last pre-season. Last I read, he should be ready for OTA's. The three of them would be a pretty unique arsenal in the NFL match-up wise.

Having Washington and Woods would be like having 7 OL in 12 personnel. I haven't thought about it much because I'm convinced that Washington, like Kancey, is going to go in the back half of Round 1. Those skillsets are just too good to pass up. If Washington is there at 35, Schmitz isn't there (which he isn't likely to be), and there are no good trade values, I wouldn't have much hesitation turning in that card.

[ChaosTheory]

Having Washington and Woods would be like having 7 OL in 12 personnel. I haven't thought about it much because I'm convinced that Washington, like Kancey, is going to go in the back half of Round 1. Those skillsets are just too good to pass up. If Washington is there at 35, Schmitz isn't there (which he isn't likely to be), and there are no good trade values, I wouldn't have much hesitation turning in that card.

I agree, wishful thinking. I think I typically see him rated like right at 35 overall (coincidence), but I would expect him to be picked by then.

[Dam8610]

Here's a fun hypothetical: if Bijan Robinson is there at 35 (not likely, but not impossible), do you draft him?

[YDFL Commish]

Having Washington and Woods would be like having 7 OL in 12 personnel. I haven't thought about it much because I'm convinced that Washington, like Kancey, is going to go in the back half of Round 1. Those skillsets are just too good to pass up. If Washington is there at 35, Schmitz isn't there (which he isn't likely to be), and there are no good trade values, I wouldn't have much hesitation turning in that card.

Woods isn't that good of a blocker and MOC fell off last season as a blocker.

Granson on the other hand is is actually very underrated as a run blocker. He's not knocking guys on their ass or anything, but he's very tenacious and blocks to to the whistle.

My hope is that Schmitz is there and that we can trade back and still get Schmitz or the CB of choice. After all that is a Ballard staple.

[Chromeburn]

I really don't see us investing in more TE's. We already have too many and signed a FA. But Tucker Kraft out of South Dakota looks like an intriguing prospect. He had a down year because of a high ankle sprain. But looks promising.

[IndyNorm]

I've been in minority camp that wants another TE over a WR. The more I think about it, I'm not convinced that TE over interior OL would be a bad move.

Washington in particular stands out and not just because he's a near-Jelani Woods clone... it's because he seems to be the best run-blocking TE in the draft. I think that's huge for JT and something we miss from Doyle. Pairing Woods and Washington is very intriguing to me.

Especially if Ogletree returns and continues his trajectory from last pre-season. Last I read, he should be ready for OTA's. The three of them would be a pretty unique arsenal in the NFL match-up wise.

While adding to the TE group would be great Ballard really needs to bring in OL, whether from the draft or via FA. On top of a starting RG we need better depth along the line in case of injuries and/or some of our supposedly better OLmen shit the bed again. I know the OL was better at the end of the season, but they were still bad. And there's no point in trying to develop a rookie QB if he's going to get beat up every week.

Also, to your point on the earlier post we definitely CBs since we only have 2 of them who aren't camp fodder on the roster.

[ChaosTheory]

While adding to the TE group would be great Ballard really needs to bring in OL, whether from the draft or via FA. On top of a starting RG we need better depth along the line in case of injuries and/or some of our supposedly better OLmen shit the bed again. I know the OL was better at the end of the season, but they were still bad. And there's no point in trying to develop a rookie QB if he's going to get beat up every week.

Also, to your point on the earlier post we definitely CBs since we only have 2 of them who aren't camp fodder on the roster.

I don't disagree. The important part is we need to improve our blocking overall. OL definitely needs more talent, I'm not saying don't go after it. I just think a very unsung element of the offensive struggles was the lack of Jack Doyle's contributions (mainly blocking).

I'm excited about Woods as a receiver and Commish is right that Granson is a scrappy blocker. But there are a few TE's in this class whose strength is blocking. Washington will likely be gone anyway, but he's a blocker with near-Woods size/athleticism.

Then there's Luke Schoonmaker who reminds me of Doyle: really good blocker who wasn't super explosive catching the ball (though he had some good numbers at the combine), but one of those guys that found the weak spots in zones and was reliable. And because he wasn't as explosive as some of the other TE's, I've typically seen him projected around the 4th rd.

I just don't think it would be overkill to add one of them if they were hypothetically available, especially because I could see MAC getting bumped from that room. I was happy to hear that Ballard acknowledged the strength of this TE class.

[IndyNorm]

I don't disagree. The important part is we need to improve our blocking overall. OL definitely needs more talent, I'm not saying don't go after it. I just think a very unsung element of the offensive struggles was the lack of Jack Doyle's contributions (mainly blocking).

I'm excited about Woods as a receiver and Commish is right that Granson is a scrappy blocker. But there are a few TE's in this class whose strength is blocking. Washington will likely be gone anyway, but he's a blocker with near-Woods size/athleticism.

Then there's Luke Schoonmaker who reminds me of Doyle: really good blocker who wasn't super explosive catching the ball (though he had some good numbers at the combine), but one of those guys that found the weak spots in zones and was reliable. And because he wasn't as explosive as some of the other TE's, I've typically seen him projected around the 4th rd.

I just don't think it would be overkill to add one of them if they were hypothetically available, especially because I could see MAC getting bumped from that room. I was happy to hear that Ballard acknowledged the strength of this TE class.

Agree a good blocking TE would help. It'd be nice to add one along w/ OL, but not sure we have enough draft capital to add both along w/ some much needed CBs. Agree that Schoonmaker would be a good pick. Hopefully in day 3.