Richardson: ‘Lord knows what my ceiling is.’

[JAFF]

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2023/03/31/colts-will-they-select-anthony-richardson-as-their-quarterback/70051140007/




This is a boy merging with a man here, showing off in front of hundreds of eyes paid highly to scout the difference between the two. He's a 20-year-old who rides to football practice with his younger brother on the handle-bars, who sometimes speaks of quarterbacking like a backflip he just launched into, an act of sheer courage he feels cosmetically wired to land.


And yet he lands enough of these acts because the legs he's operating on belong to those of a man. He measured and tested those limbs last month at the NFL Scouting Combine, checking in at 6-foot-4 and 244 pounds. He jumped higher than any quarterback in the history of the event at 40.5 inches. He leaped farther than all but one, too, at 10 feet 9 inches. And he sprinted 40 yards in 4.43 seconds, a time reserved for the pro defensive backs he'll throw at next season.

"I actually met him in the sixth or seventh grade. He was athletic then. He could jump out of the gym then," said Florida defensive tackle Gervon Dexter Sr., who also grew up in central Florida. "All of the stuff he did at the combine, it surprised a lot of people, but it didn't surprise me."


Richardson still attacks football with the enthusiasm of that seventh-grader, in part because he never had to leave him behind. He attended Eastside High School in Gainesville, where he dreamed of running into the Swamp with a Gator Chomp and leading a team with his radiant joy. The kids around him never caught up in height or weight, and each deep throw and stiff-arm of a Southeastern Conference defender made him feel like those childhood dreams were real.

That doesn't mean it was all perfect or even close. Kids crash sometimes, to. And behind those tree-trunk legs and linebacker torso are some warts, like a 54.7% career completion rate and just 24 touchdown passes and 13 starts at

"I'm a workhorse. I'm going to work to become the greatest," Richardson said.

Never in the passing league era has a college quarterback with Richardson’s mix of experience and production become a notable NFL quarterback. But never has one had the measurables he has and been given the same opportunity.


He is a wind-up toy. Ask him where he needs to get better and he can't pin it down.

He hasn't scratched that part of the surface yet.


"If you ask me, I'd say everything: footwork, accuracy, arm power, leadership, decision-making. I could go on and on," Richardson said.

Asked about his lack of production, he'll say, "I can't control everything. I do feel like I'm a great player."

Richardson is effervescent when asked about his strengths and evasive when pressed on his weaknesses. He's a 20-year-old getting ready to leave his hometown for the first time, a maturation process the NFL is trying to microwave with cameras, comparisons and hyperbole.


"The sun is shining," Florida guard O'Cyrus Torrence said. "If you're in a room with people who are sad, you'll see him smiling. He lifts up the morale of the room. You can see it in sparks out here on the field, but you really see it in the locker room."

Richardson thrives on joy, and doing things with a football others cannot brings him that. It's harder to dwell on the details. But those in his circle are trying.

At his pro day, he tried to walk back some of the hype he threw on himself at the combine, back when he spoke about playing like a cross between Cam Newton and Lamar Jackson and describing himself as legendary.

"I don't believe in hype," he said. "Hype can take you down the wrong tunnel, and I'm not going down the wrong tunnel."

But he's also not afraid of it.


"I wore No. 15 here at the University of Florida. A lot of people thought it was going be hard for me to try to mimic (Tim) Tebow, but I didn't want to mimic Tebow. I just wanted to be the best version of myself," Richardson said. "So if Carolina was to draft me, then I'm not going to try to be like Cam (Newton)."

This is Richardson shifting into business mode, trading that sweat-soaked white spandex T-Shirt for a suit that doesn't quite fit yet.

By now, all of his games, the throws on air, the highlights and the misses and the measurables are out in the open. What's left is six interviews with teams, and the Colts will be one of them. They have to wait and see what the Panthers and Texans do at quarterback first. Indianapolis had director of scouting Morocco Brown in attendance, a shift from area scout Mike Lacy, who handled C.J. Stroud's and Will Levis' pro day since those were within driving distance to Indianapolis.


A job interview invites something metaphysically different than a kid launching a football into a steel white beam, like Richardson did Friday because he saw Levis do it on TV and wanted to try it, too. His smile belied both the calm and the wonder.

Florida quarterback Anthony Richardson started just 13 games in college before becoming one of the top fascinations in this year's NFL Draft.
"Lord knows what my ceiling is and what it's going to be," he said.

That, in a nutshell, is the Richardson experience. Nobody knows where this ship is going to end up, just that it's about to take off.

But a kid from Gainesville can still smile from the launch pad. That's what he did in the moments after he heaved those 50-some passes into the sky. Teenagers and college students approached in small groups for photos with the latest wonderkid draft prospect, and Richardson smiled as the cameras clicked, the shutters capturing the beginning of a journey with not a care in the world about the end.

[Dam8610]

He needs 2 years to sit, and I don't know if Steichen is at the level of Andy Reid for developing a raw talent like him.

[Oldcolt]

How in the hell do you know this? I didn’t want an answer. It is rhetorical, you don’t

[Dam8610]

How in the hell do you know this? I didn’t want an answer. It is rhetorical, you don’t

I specifically said I don't know that Stiechen is on Andy Reid's level to develop a QB like Richardson. I read a few articles on the process Reid used to develop Mahomes, it was very intentional that he sat the first year, they recognized he was far away from being ready to start an NFL game when they drafted him, and that just throwing him in the fire could have completely shattered his confidence. Patrick Mahomes as a draft prospect was far ahead of Anthony Richardson in terms of being ready to start an NFL game, that's why I think at least 2 years would be ideal for him. Honestly, a draft and stash strategy where they draft Richardson, bring in Lamar Jackson and make it clear that they're going to run a more run heavy style of offense going forward might be the best way to go. Giving Richardson an Aaron Rodgers style start to his career would be even better, and if you sign Lamar to a 5 year deal and guarantee the first 4, the Ravens are unlikely to match, and then you have a true mentor for the kid who will fully take the pressure off of him to start for the first several years of his career.

IMO doing that or trading up to 1 are basically the only real competitive strategies to move forward.

[JAFF]

He needs 2 years to sit, and I don't know if Steichen is at the level of Andy Reid for developing a raw talent like him.

If he cant find the field in the beginning of his sophomore season, then he cant be the choice. To get only 3 years of a 5 year deal(?) where he is on the field is nuts. Al he will be asked to do is work on football full time with other pro football players and coaches. First round players need to play to get better, he wont learn anything from the sideline.

Best way to learn how to do anything is by doing it. If this new HC is as good as advertised, he should be able to build packages of plays that progressively build up his knowledge base. Oh, and commit to the RUNNING game. Double tight, double wide, single back (Taylor) and punch the other team in the mouth.

[Lov2fish]

I specifically said I don't know that Stiechen is on Andy Reid's level to develop a QB like Richardson. I read a few articles on the process Reid used to develop Mahomes, it was very intentional that he sat the first year, they recognized he was far away from being ready to start an NFL game when they drafted him, and that just throwing him in the fire could have completely shattered his confidence. Patrick Mahomes as a draft prospect was far ahead of Anthony Richardson in terms of being ready to start an NFL game, that's why I think at least 2 years would be ideal for him. Honestly, a draft and stash strategy where they draft Richardson, bring in Lamar Jackson and make it clear that they're going to run a more run heavy style of offense going forward might be the best way to go. Giving Richardson an Aaron Rodgers style start to his career would be even better, and if you sign Lamar to a 5 year deal and guarantee the first 4, the Ravens are unlikely to match, and then you have a true mentor for the kid who will fully take the pressure off of him to start for the first several years of his career.

IMO doing that or trading up to 1 are basically the only real competitive strategies to move forward.

Its astounding that all the teams who need good GM's have not scooped you up and gave you the keys to the franchise.

[Colts And Orioles]

How in the hell do you know this ??? I didn’t want an answer. It is rhetorical, you don’t.





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Richardson specifically said that he needed 2 years to sit. He said that he didn't want to be rushed, and that he came out of college a year early in order to study the game by watching how a seasoned veteran operates from the bench. He is confident that he will be raring to go as a starting NFL quarterback in 2025.

No, I just made that up.

o

[Dewey 5]

If he cant find the field in the beginning of his sophomore season, then he cant be the choice. To get only 3 years of a 5 year deal(?) where he is on the field is nuts. Al he will be asked to do is work on football full time with other pro football players and coaches. First round players need to play to get better, he wont learn anything from the sideline.

Best way to learn how to do anything is by doing it. If this new HC is as good as advertised, he should be able to build packages of plays that progressively build up his knowledge base. Oh, and commit to the RUNNING game. Double tight, double wide, single back (Taylor) and punch the other team in the mouth.

Packers are now doing exactly that with Jordan Love.

[albany ed]

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Richardson specifically said that he needed 2 years to sit. He said that he didn't want to be rushed, and that he came out of college a year early in order to study the game by watching how a seasoned veteran operates from the bench. He is confident that he will be raring to go as a starting NFL quarterback in 2025.

No, I just made that up.

o

:D Before that last line, I was about to say, how the hell does Richardson know he needs 2 years, unless of course he checked with Dam first. ;)

[Dam8610]

If he cant find the field in the beginning of his sophomore season, then he cant be the choice. To get only 3 years of a 5 year deal(?) where he is on the field is nuts. Al he will be asked to do is work on football full time with other pro football players and coaches. First round players need to play to get better, he wont learn anything from the sideline.

Best way to learn how to do anything is by doing it. If this new HC is as good as advertised, he should be able to build packages of plays that progressively build up his knowledge base. Oh, and commit to the RUNNING game. Double tight, double wide, single back (Taylor) and punch the other team in the mouth.

I guess you know more than Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes, both of whom credit Mahomes's meteoric rise to the year he spent on the bench learning from the sidelines. But I'm sure you know more than the best QB developing coach and best QB in the NFL about how QBs develop.

Also, I'd rather have 3 years of elite play than 4 years of average play or 5 years of bad play. That's not to say those are guarantees, but the longer he sits, the more likely he is to be successful once he takes the field.

Its astounding that all the teams who need good GM's have not scooped you up and gave you the keys to the franchise.

That's it guys, pack up the message board, turns out you can't have an opinion on football unless you're the GM of a team. Guess we should tell the Dane Bruglers, Brett Kollmans, and JT O'Sullivans of the world to shut down their outlets as well, they can't have an opinion on football because they're not GMs. :rolleyes:

Packers are now doing exactly that with Jordan Love.

This is the second time in a row the Packers are putting a QB in after having him sit for a significant length of time. It worked out really well for them with Rodgers. Love isn't as talented, so it might not work out as well this time.

[Lov2fish]

I guess you know more than Andy Reid and Patrick Mahomes, both of whom credit Mahomes's meteoric rise to the year he spent on the bench learning from the sidelines. But I'm sure you know more than the best QB developing coach and best QB in the NFL about how QBs develop.

Also, I'd rather have 3 years of elite play than 4 years of average play or 5 years of bad play. That's not to say those are guarantees, but the longer he sits, the more likely he is to be successful once he takes the field.



That's it guys, pack up the message board, turns out you can't have an opinion on football unless you're the GM of a team. Guess we should tell the Dane Bruglers, Brett Kollmans, and JT O'Sullivans of the world to shut down their outlets as well, they can't have an opinion on football because they're not GMs. :rolleyes:



This is the second time in a row the Packers are putting a QB in after having him sit for a significant length of time. It worked out really well for them with Rodgers. Love isn't as talented, so it might not work out as well this time.

Its sarcasm, not a dick don't take it so hard.

[apballin]

He don’t need 2 years… he’ll be starting by mid season. His running ability will mask alot if his deficiencies not to mention having JT to lean on

Ideally use his running ability and let him figure out the passing game as he grows

He’s dynamic… he’s nothing we’ve ever seen… I sure hope the Colts draft him

[Butter]

Patrick Mahomes as a draft prospect was far ahead of Anthony Richardson in terms of being ready to start an NFL game, that's why I think at least 2 years would be ideal for him. Honestly, a draft and stash strategy where they draft Richardson, bring in Lamar Jackson

.

Just stomp the breaks right there, Lamar is not signing a contract that would make that possible.

[Dam8610]

Its sarcasm, not a dick don't take it so hard.

You claim to use sarcasm yet don't recognize it. Interesting.

He don’t need 2 years… he’ll be starting by mid season. His running ability will mask alot if his deficiencies not to mention having JT to lean on

Ideally use his running ability and let him figure out the passing game as he grows

He’s dynamic… he’s nothing we’ve ever seen… I sure hope the Colts draft him

That's a great way to be in the Top 5 with an injured former top 5 pick QB next year.

[Brylok]

Richardson stinks.

[apballin]

Richardson stinks.

You basing this off his 13 college starts?

He’s 20 years old his potential is off the charts

[Dam8610]

Just stomp the breaks right there, Lamar is not signing a contract that would make that possible.

Spending $60 million per year on the QB position is going to be the norm in the NFL.

[JAFF]

Its sarcasm, not a dick don't take it so hard.

Sheldon doesnt conceptualize sarcasim

[JAFF]

Spending $60 million per year on the QB position is going to be the norm in the NFL.

Sure it will, in 2032, but not in the next 3 years

[JAFF]

You basing this off his 13 college starts?

He’s 20 years old his potential is off the charts

Yeah, with two possible direction
A. Multiple Super Bowls
B. Fails so spectacularly, Irsay now run the Kum and Go quick mart in Rapid City, SD

[apballin]

Yeah, with two possible direction
A. Multiple Super Bowls
B. Fails so spectacularly, Irsay now run the Kum and Go quick mart in Rapid City, SD

Cmon part 2 of B is never gonna happen

I have no idea what they’re gonna do, but all these QBs seem overhyped based on the desperation. Hell I’m guilty of it myself, honestly Richardson had a few highlight plays last year and then came and put up times any athlete would be proud of but what he showed on the field doesn’t equate to the #4 pick. It’s Trubisky type shit. I just hope they’re not gonna act out of desperation.

Take all 4 of these guys and move them to the other guys teams in college and who would be successful in any situation?

What would Levis numbers have been on Ohio state last season?

Would Richardson, Young , or Stroud even have finished the season playing behind Kentuckys line?

I mean I hadn’t even considered the injuries because after the combine nobody seems to mention them but Richardson missed time in high school and college already due to injuries one including an injury he got from dancing in the team hotel.

[Dam8610]

Spending $60 million per year on the QB position is going to be the norm in the NFL.

The Colts spent over $50 million on the position in 2020.

[Butter]

Spending $60 million per year on the QB position is going to be the norm in the NFL.
He is not going to sign a contract that we get easy out of after 2 years, that was my point, more than the per year.

[Oldcolt]

I’m reading more and more that we like Levis. Smokescreen or is it possible that the scouting department knows more than Dam?

[Lov2fish]

I’m reading more and more that we like Levis. Smokescreen or is it possible that the scouting department knows more than Dam?

Is that possible?

[Dam8610]

He is not going to sign a contract that we get easy out of after 2 years, that was my point, more than the per year.

No, you take the Rodgers track at that point. Have Lamar for 4 years, cut him year 5, you learn if Richardson is your QBOTF on the fifth year option.

[Dam8610]

I’m reading more and more that we like Levis. Smokescreen or is it possible that the scouting department knows more than Dam?

I hope it's a smokescreen, I would honestly think Ballard & Co. would get Wentz flashbacks watching Levis's tape. Given the timing of it it makes sense for it to be a smokescreen.

Is that possible?

Every NFL scouting department has a greater knowledge base on every draft class than any person that isn't in an NFL scouting department, a fact I've pointed out on several occasions. No one else gets to interview them or look at their medical records.

[apballin]

I hope it's a smokescreen, I would honestly think Ballard & Co. would get Wentz flashbacks watching Levis's tape. Given the timing of it it makes sense for it to be a smokescreen.



Every NFL scouting department has a greater knowledge base on every draft class than any person that isn't in an NFL scouting department, a fact I've pointed out on several occasions. No one else gets to interview them or look at their medical records.

I don’t think it’s a smoke screen and while I disagree with the Wentz comparison before the injury he was playing MVP ball and was the 2nd pick in the draft. No need to hide anything at this point Levis seems to be the 4th choice for most teams if a team trades up they’d probably be gambling on Richardson

[Butter]

No, you take the Rodgers track at that point. Have Lamar for 4 years, cut him year 5, you learn if Richardson is your QBOTF on the fifth year option.

I would fucking hope we wouldn't do that with the 4th pick, you take Lamarr you are building around him, too big an investment to be a long bridge, that is insane.

[Dam8610]

I would fucking hope we wouldn't do that with the 4th pick, you take Lamarr you are building around him, too big an investment to be a long bridge, that is insane.

They play a similar style, whether you take Lamar or Richardson you're committing to building the same style of offense, so why not take both?

[Butter]

They play a similar style, whether you take Lamar or Richardson you're committing to building the same style of offense, so why not take both?
Because it would be stupid when that pick could be a stud player that helps the team win the next 4 years, rather than a QB with a high bust potential.

[Dam8610]

Because it would be stupid when that pick could be a stud player that helps the team win the next 4 years, rather than a QB with a high bust potential.

Well they're not trading to 1, at least they've made no indication of doing so as of yet, so they've already committed to a QB with high bust potential unless they go with Anderson or Carter. But doing that without Lamar is a huge risk.

[Oldcolt]

Dam, you may be the only person on the planet that thinks drafting Richardson and then giving up a kings ransom in picks and money to Lamar is a sensible idea.

[Dam8610]

Dam, you may be the only person on the planet that thinks drafting Richardson and then giving up a kings ransom in picks and money to Lamar is a sensible idea.

Even if you gave up 2 1s (which is something that can be negotiated), if they're 1s that come after signing Lamar, you can reasonably assume those picks will be in the 20s and therefore much less valuable than, for example, the 4th overall pick this year. That's not even taking into consideration that a deal can be negotiated outside of the franchise tag rules.

What bringing in both Lamar and Richardson does is create a very long contention window. Irsay keeps talking about wanting to win 2 Super Bowls in the next decade, the best way to have a shot at that is to completely shore up the QB position.

[JAFF]

Well they're not trading to 1, at least they've made no indication of doing so as of yet, so they've already committed to a QB with high bust potential unless they go with Anderson or Carter. But doing that without Lamar is a huge risk.

No. Hell no

[Colts And Orioles]

Dam, you may be the only person on the planet that thinks drafting Richardson and then giving up a kings ransom in picks and money to Lamar is a sensible idea.





o


Believe it or not, I have seen crazier things happen (but please don't ask me to cite them.)

The Colts' offensive line was one of the best in the NFL in 2020, still pretty solid in 2021, and one of the worst in the NFL in 2022 ...... but they did show signs of modest improvement late in the 2022 season when Bernhard Raimann was inserted as a starter and Matt Pryor was benched.

If the Colts can somehow get the offensive line back to its 2020 form (and I concede, that would be a VERY BIG "If"), then Lamar Jackson playing well behind it and leading the Colts to several playoff appearances in 2023 and beyond wouldn't be so far-fetched ....... as disastrous as the 2022 season was overall, the Colts still beat the Chiefs and barely lost to the Eagles by one point when they rallied in the final seconds of the 4th quarter. Somewhere inside of what was the mess of a 2022 season is a team capable of holding its own against the 2 teams that made it to the Super Bowl.

And if all of that came to fruition while Richardson was on the bench behind Lamar for 2 or 3 seasons, Dam wouldn't look so crazy after all ....... however, the fact that Jim Irsay made it pretty clear that the Colts probably wouldn't be willing to ante-up for Jackson in the first place makes all of that moot.

o

[IndyNorm]

Dam, you may be the only person on the planet that thinks drafting Richardson and then giving up a kings ransom in picks and money to Lamar is a sensible idea.

I think Dam's obsession with Stroud and his butt hurt over Ballard not trading up to #1 overall has finally pushed his head over the ledge.

[IndyNorm]

Well they're not trading to 1, at least they've made no indication of doing so as of yet, so they've already committed to a QB with high bust potential unless they go with Anderson or Carter. But doing that without Lamar is a huge risk.

No way should we draft Carter at #4 overall. Dude's a complete dumpster fire.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35865573/georgia-dt-jalen-carter-9-lbs-heavier-struggles-pro-day

[Dam8610]

No. Hell no

No to what? This makes no sense in context of the post you quoted.

[smitty46953]

No to what? This makes no sense in context of the post you quoted.

Probably referring to Carter, my guess?


They said on NFL Network Radio today that Jalen Carter has told teams outside of the top 10 in draft order, that he will not go for top 30 visits.

This kid just keeps digging a hole for himself? Seems to be one every year who shoots themselves in the foot.

As for Carter, I don't want him. Diva? Locker room cancer? Don't take that gamble !!! :cool:

[YDFL Commish]

Probably referring to Carter, my guess?


They said on NFL Network Radio today that Jalen Carter has told teams outside of the top 10 in draft order, that he will not go for top 30 visits.

This kid just keeps digging a hole for himself? Seems to be one every year who shoots themselves in the foot.

As for Carter, I don't want him. Diva? Locker room cancer? Don't take that gamble !!! :cool:

Ballard would never take that kid in the top 10.

[ChaosTheory]

Probably referring to Carter, my guess?


They said on NFL Network Radio today that Jalen Carter has told teams outside of the top 10 in draft order, that he will not go for top 30 visits.

This kid just keeps digging a hole for himself? Seems to be one every year who shoots themselves in the foot.

As for Carter, I don't want him. Diva? Locker room cancer? Don't take that gamble !!! :cool:

Ballard would never take that kid in the top 10.

That's unfortunate to hear about Carter. Being a shithead is one thing. Being a lazy shithead is another level of red flag.

To be fair, Ballard was part of the Chiefs staff that vetted and ultimately selected Marcus Peters (who had shown to be a shithead at Washington) at #18. Peters is uber-talented and can obviously play, but was still a shithead to the point of them getting rid of him after three years.

Of course Peters never showed up fat.

[JAFF]

Because it would be stupid when that pick could be a stud player that helps the team win the next 4 years, rather than a QB with a high bust potential.

This is the example of, “you cant fix stupid”

[Butter]

Well they're not trading to 1, at least they've made no indication of doing so as of yet, so they've already committed to a QB with high bust potential unless they go with Anderson or Carter. But doing that without Lamar is a huge risk.

I am not sure what this word salad means.

[JAFF]

I am not sure what this word salad means.

I got on the interweb and asked miss cleo to tells us what this post meant. She said, “even psychics have their limits”.

[Dam8610]

I am not sure what this word salad means.

-The Colts don't appear to be trading to 1.
-Stroud and Young will likely be drafted at 1 and 2.
-Levis and Richardson have high bust potential.
-If the Colts draft Levis or Richardson, they've committed to a QB with high bust potential.
-Alternatively, a defensive player could be drafted.
-Drafting a defensive player at 4 without having a solution in place at QB, such as Lamar Jackson, would be a large risk.

Clear?

[Dewey 5]

Probably referring to Carter, my guess?


They said on NFL Network Radio today that Jalen Carter has told teams outside of the top 10 in draft order, that he will not go for top 30 visits.

This kid just keeps digging a hole for himself? Seems to be one every year who shoots themselves in the foot.

As for Carter, I don't want him. Diva? Locker room cancer? Don't take that gamble !!! :cool:

That's because some team more than likely told Drew Rosenhaus that if Carter is there they are taking him.

[Butter]

-The Colts don't appear to be trading to 1.
-Stroud and Young will likely be drafted at 1 and 2.
-Levis and Richardson have high bust potential.
-If the Colts draft Levis or Richardson, they've committed to a QB with high bust potential.
-Alternatively, a defensive player could be drafted.
-Drafting a defensive player at 4 without having a solution in place at QB, such as Lamar Jackson, would be a large risk.

Clear?

You know Lamar is not happening right?, especially the way you imagine, there is the option to decide none of this year's "good" QBs are worth the cost to buy and set the franchise back 2-3 more years. Either acquire future picks in a trade down and snag a potential QB later or get the BPA at 4 and the BQB in the 2nd.

[Dam8610]

You know Lamar is not happening right?, especially the way you imagine, there is the option to decide none of this year's "good" QBs are worth the cost to buy and set the franchise back 2-3 more years. Either acquire future picks in a trade down and snag a potential QB later or get the BPA at 4 and the BQB in the 2nd.

Anything that isn't trading to 1 or getting Lamar might as well be labeled "the Caleb Williams strategy" IMO. Of course Caleb Williams will likely be viewed at this time next year the way CJ Stroud is viewed now, so that should be interesting.

[JAFF]

No to what? This makes no sense in context of the post you quoted.

To anything you have proposed. You have created a fantasy world

[Dam8610]

To anything you have proposed. You have created a fantasy world

You must be addicted to mediocrity, too.

[Lov2fish]

You must be addicted to mediocrity, too.

You're definitely divorced from reality. Mac Jones is on the trading block, should we set the franchise back and trade everything for him? He was your can't miss prospect not long ago, with the same bravado you want Stroud.

[Dam8610]

You're definitely divorced from reality. Mac Jones is on the trading block, should we set the franchise back and trade everything for him? He was your can't miss prospect not long ago, with the same bravado you want Stroud.

That was before Belichick and Matt Patricia stunted his development significantly. I doubt Ballard is willing to stake his job to Mac Jones at this point. It would be a better bet than Will Levis or Anthony Richardson, though.

[JAFF]

You must be addicted to mediocrity, too.

No, I suffer from an extreme case of reality. 53 guys need to get paid and you want to sign a first round and keep jackson and have $60 million tied up in 2 players.

[Brylok]

Three more weeks of this shit. Thank God baseball is back.

[Dam8610]

No, I suffer from an extreme case of reality. 53 guys need to get paid and you want to sign a first round and keep jackson and have $60 million tied up in 2 players.

If the Colts sign Lamar Jackson, they'll have over $110 million tied up in 4 players.

[Colts And Orioles]

That was before Belichick and Matt Patricia stunted his development significantly. I doubt Ballard is willing to stake his job to Mac Jones at this point. It would be a better bet than Will Levis or Anthony Richardson, though.






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That's the same Bill Belichick who got the Patriots to go 11-5 with Matt Cassell at quarterback when Tom Brady missed the entire 2008 season with an injury.

o

[Dam8610]

o


That's the same Bill Belichick who got the Patriots to go 11-5 with Matt Cassell at quarterback when Tom Brady missed the entire 2008 season with an injury.

o

Cool, he didn't have a defensive coach as his offensive coordinator at that time, but did have a Hall of Fame WR on the roster.

[Colts And Orioles]

Cool, he didn't have a defensive coach as his offensive coordinator at that time, but did have a Hall of Fame WR on the roster.





o


Even more cool ...... Reggie Wayne, in similar fashion to Randy Moss in 2008, really made the difference in the Colts' 2011 season when they went 2-14 when Peyton Manning missed the entire season with an injury.

o

[JAFF]

If the Colts sign Lamar Jackson, they'll have over $110 million tied up in 4 players.

Proving my point. Not sustainable

[Dam8610]

o


Even more cool ...... Reggie Wayne, in similar fashion to Randy Moss in 2008, really made the difference in the Colts' 2011 season when they went 2-14 when Peyton Manning missed the entire season with an injury.

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Cassel was a better QB than Curtis Painter, and the Cheaters defense didn't fall apart, probably because Belicheat used extra cheating.

[ChaosTheory]

2011 Colts and 2008 Patriots had a lot more going on than just the quality of the backup QB's. Colts offensive system was unique to Manning, he goes down, you can't run what you know.

We had also gradually lost a lot of unsung but important guys like our interior OL and LB's. Even back to 2009, Manning and the passing O was carrying the team. Undefeated team that ranked bottom of the league in rushing, run defense, TOP... same in 2010, and then 2011 had no passing O to help.

Chris Polian was three years in and we had a bunch of younger, weaker players replacing.

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Meanwhile, the Patriots were one season removed from undefeated. Matt Cassel wasn't great but he wasn't trash. The main thing is that, yes, there was a downgrade in QB quality... but the Patriots offensive system didn't have to go back to formula when Brady went down.

Aside from QB, the little turnover they had included Richard fucking Seymour coming back and Roosevelt Colvin being replaced by top-10 draft pick Jerod Mayo. Their top-4 defense dropped to top-8.

The thing people tend to forget is that in 2009 when Brady came back... Patriots finished 10-6 with Brady, but that happened to be good enough for a division title unlike the 11-5 they posted with Cassel.

The only offensive change was adding Edelman and on defense they replaced Bruschi and Vrabel, but even Vrabel's replacement (Banta-Cain) had 10 sacks in 10 games and the defense was still 5th in scoring, 11th overall.

[Colts And Orioles]

Cassel was a better QB than Curtis Painter, and the Cheaters defense didn't fall apart, probably because Belicheat used extra cheating.





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Cassell might have gone 4-12 with that Colts team, instead of 2-14.

You remind me of Colin Ferguson, the guy who killed 6 people shooting up the Long Island Railroad in 1993 who then defended himself in court. He didn't convince the jury of his innocence, but he himself believed it.

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[CletusPyle]

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Cassell might have gone 4-12 with that Colts team, instead of 2-14.

You remind me of Colin Ferguson, the guy who killed 6 people shooting up the Long Island Railroad in 1993 who then defended himself in court. He didn't convince the jury of his innocence, but he himself believed it.

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[apballin]

Would be interesting to see 3 of the top 4 end up in the AFC south and have to battle each other

[Brylok]

Would be interesting to see 3 of the top 4 end up in the AFC south and have to battle each other

If that happened, Trevor Lawrence would become the Peyton Manning of the division.

[apballin]

If that happened, Trevor Lawrence would become the Peyton Manning of the division.

So you’re saying that’s what’s gonna happen?

Or you’re saying the Titans are better with Willis?

Because if that’s how you feel I don’t see how the draft is gonna change your outlook

[IndyNorm]

If that happened, Trevor Lawrence would become the Peyton Manning of the division.

That's impossible. Right Dam?

[JAFF]

That's impossible. Right Dam?

This is why we need a rimshot emoji

[Dam8610]

That's impossible. Right Dam?

Anything is possible. I'm fairly confident that won't happen, and you really should hope I'm right unless you want a decade of Jaguars dominance. I don't.