Pete Prisco mock draft 1.0

[JAFF]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/priscos-2023-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-qbs-fly-off-board-as-four-go-in-top-5-bears-add-defense-after-trading-down/

Have fun

[Dam8610]

That would make me disinterested in football for at least 2023, probably well beyond.

[IndyNorm]

That would make me disinterested in football for at least 2023, probably well beyond.

I think we all know now who we absolutely want the Colts draft!!!

[Dam8610]

I think we all know now who we absolutely want the Colts draft!!!

It's more the combination. The Texans getting Stroud and the Colts getting Levis is about the worst possible long term outcome.

[IndyNorm]

It's more the combination. The Texans getting Stroud and the Colts getting Levis is about the worst possible long term outcome.

Noted. What if the Panthers go w/ Stroud, Texans Young, and Colts Levis? Will you give up then too, or do we strictly have to pull for Stroud to the Texans and Levis to the Colts?

[Dam8610]

Noted. What if the Panthers go w/ Stroud, Texans Young, and Colts Levis? Will you give up then too, or do we strictly have to pull for Stroud to the Texans and Levis to the Colts?

I don't understand why you would want a decade plus of second to fourth place finishes either way. Bryce Young's size is at least a limitation to his growth potential, and while I wouldn't/hopefully won't be happy with him as the Texans starter, that's nowhere near as bad as the Texans getting CJ Stroud. As for the Colts, the best thing that can come of a Will Levis draft pick in my opinion is a high likelihood of being close enough to the #1 pick in the 2024 draft that if Caleb Williams and Drake Maye pan out as advertised, the Colts would have a shot at one of them. The problem with that is that the front office might be too stubborn at that point, decide to stick with Levis, and we're looking at another decade plus of futility while the Texans build something similar to the 2000s Colts.

[apballin]

JMV is standing on his rumor that they like Levis

[Brylok]

JMV is standing on his rumor that they like Levis

I think it's definitely going to be Levis. His bicep tattoo will play big in Indiana, too.

[YDFL Commish]

I believe that Prisco has it right and that is how it will play out for the first 4 picks.

When Irsay said "that Alabama kid sure looks good" at the Steichen presser, it got Reich to over thinking things and convince Carolina to move up to #1 to ensure that they get Young.

Also the signing of Minshew is a clear indication that the Colts are taking a developmental QB, which leaves Levis or Richardson.

[Chromeburn]

I don't understand why you would want a decade plus of second to fourth place finishes either way. Bryce Young's size is at least a limitation to his growth potential, and while I wouldn't/hopefully won't be happy with him as the Texans starter, that's nowhere near as bad as the Texans getting CJ Stroud. As for the Colts, the best thing that can come of a Will Levis draft pick in my opinion is a high likelihood of being close enough to the #1 pick in the 2024 draft that if Caleb Williams and Drake Maye pan out as advertised, the Colts would have a shot at one of them. The problem with that is that the front office might be too stubborn at that point, decide to stick with Levis, and we're looking at another decade plus of futility while the Texans build something similar to the 2000s Colts.

Carolina is probably picking Stroud. But rumors are that some of the panthers top people are enamored with Richardson’s potential. I don’t see Stroud going to Houston. I think there is bad blood there since he has the same agent as Watson.

[Hoopsdoc]

I think we all know now who we absolutely want the Colts draft!!!

The more Dam hates it, the more I’m convinced it’s actually a good idea.

[Dam8610]

Carolina is probably picking Stroud. But rumors are that some of the panthers top people are enamored with Richardson’s potential. I don’t see Stroud going to Houston. I think there is bad blood there since he has the same agent as Watson.

Richardson Young would be the best possible 1-2 sequence for the Colts if they don't trade up to 1. If they are stuck at 4, Stroud is gone, and they insist on taking a QB, at least Richardson has a long term, Mahomes type development path that could work out. Levis is a project on the same level as Richardson, both should sit for at least a year and have their mechanics rebuilt, but teams are going to feel pressured to put them on the field. I don't like Levis's mechanical flaw, either, and they failed to fix it with Wentz. I know that was a different coaching staff, but I don't care if Levis has more talent than any QB in NFL history, if he doesn't learn to throw right, he won't be successful in the NFL.

[Dewey 5]

Richardson Young would be the best possible 1-2 sequence for the Colts if they don't trade up to 1. If they are stuck at 4, Stroud is gone, and they insist on taking a QB, at least Richardson has a long term, Mahomes type development path that could work out. Levis is a project on the same level as Richardson, both should sit for at least a year and have their mechanics rebuilt, but teams are going to feel pressured to put them on the field. I don't like Levis's mechanical flaw, either, and they failed to fix it with Wentz. I know that was a different coaching staff, but I don't care if Levis has more talent than any QB in NFL history, if he doesn't learn to throw right, he won't be successful in the NFL.

Ballard isn’t trading up to 1 & I highly doubt he even trades up to 3. So if he takes a qb it will be either Richardson or Levis.

[njcoltfan]

Ballard isn’t trading up to 1 & I highly doubt he even trades up to 3. So if he takes a qb it will be either Richardson or Levis.

What happened to "we'll do whatever it takes to get our guy"? I guess Carolina happened, Teppers balls were/are bigger than Ballards !!

[apballin]

What happened to "we'll do whatever it takes to get our guy"? I guess Carolina happened, Teppers balls were/are bigger than Ballards !!

They don’t really like any of them so they’re just gonna settle

[Brylok]

They don’t really like any of them so they’re just gonna settle

Sounds like me, but I'm just a fan.

[Hoopsdoc]

Ballard isn’t trading up to 1 & I highly doubt he even trades up to 3. So if he takes a qb it will be either Richardson or Levis.

Colts have zero chance of moving up to 1 or 2.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is a moron.

Neither Carolina or Houston is trading back with a team they know is taking a quarterback.

That makes zero sense.

[CletusPyle]

I like that mock draft personally!:D

[apballin]

I will say while JMV is very plugged in I recall him saying numerous times he heard there was “ZERO chance” colts were signing Phillip Rivers so he’s been off

I think they don’t even know what they wanna do. As far as I’m concerned Richardson just fits as a Colt to me. Levi’s and Richardson are both raw Levi’s seems more like the safe all American pick and he’s a little older but Richardsons speed makes the difference for me. He’s younger but who cares watching his highlights a lot of Floridas plays look just like the Eagles last season. So the thought of a bigger faster Hurts I’d definitely rather risk it going for Richardson

[IndyNorm]

I don't understand why you would want a decade plus of second to fourth place finishes either way. Bryce Young's size is at least a limitation to his growth potential, and while I wouldn't/hopefully won't be happy with him as the Texans starter, that's nowhere near as bad as the Texans getting CJ Stroud. As for the Colts, the best thing that can come of a Will Levis draft pick in my opinion is a high likelihood of being close enough to the #1 pick in the 2024 draft that if Caleb Williams and Drake Maye pan out as advertised, the Colts would have a shot at one of them. The problem with that is that the front office might be too stubborn at that point, decide to stick with Levis, and we're looking at another decade plus of futility while the Texans build something similar to the 2000s Colts.

Ok, so you'll only really lose interest in the Colts if Stroud ends up in Houston, not Young?

What about from our end? Does it have to be Levis, or will you lose interest as well if they get Stroud and we draft Richardson?

[IndyNorm]

The more Dam hates it, the more I’m convinced it’s actually a good idea.

I hope for his sake that we draft Levis and he ends up being as big of a bust as Trevor Lawrence is :D

[omahacolt]

The more Dam hates it, the more I’m convinced it’s actually a good idea.

yeah


i am almost to the point that i want the exact opposite of what dam wants. but i want to take the flyer on richardson

[Dam8610]

I hope for his sake that we draft Levis and he ends up being as big of a bust as Trevor Lawrence is :D

Interesting how on a Colts message board several professed Colts fans seem to want the Jaguars starting QB to be a superstar and are buying into it fully after a half season of smoke and mirrors. Won't it be so great if Trevor Lawrence is the real deal? Then you can tell me how wrong I was while the Colts battle for third place in the AFC South every year for the next decade.

Good thing it was a smoke and mirrors show and a weak division that put the Jaguars in the playoffs. And the 4 INTs and 27-0 deficit in his first playoff game? That doesn't matter because ZOMG HE WON (with several massive assists from the referees), right?

yeah


i am almost to the point that i want the exact opposite of what dam wants. but i want to take the flyer on richardson

Yeah, seems like most of the posters here seem to want a decade long run of AFC South dominance by the Jaguars and Texans. I'd rather the Colts return to their rightful place atop the AFC South, but that doesn't seem to be a popular thought around here recently.

[HoosierinFL]

I think it's definitely going to be Levis. His bicep tattoo will play big in Indiana, too.

Maybe if we're lucky, it plays big for Reich as well, and that's who he's pushing for in the #1 pick.

[rcubed]

I heard on the DP show that the panthers sent a huge contingent to OSU proday, including the owner and a lot of front office people. Maybe points to them wanting stroud.

Makes me think if stroud and young go 1-2, we go anderson at 4 then hooker later, which might be what ballard really wants. If he isnt super-sold on any of the QBs and the consensus top two are off the board, then it gives him a built-in excuse to not take a QB at 4

[apballin]

I heard on the DP show that the panthers sent a huge contingent to OSU proday, including the owner and a lot of front office people. Maybe points to them wanting stroud.

Makes me think if stroud and young go 1-2, we go anderson at 4 then hooker later, which might be what ballard really wants. If he isnt super-sold on any of the QBs and the consensus top two are off the board, then it gives him a built-in excuse to not take a QB at 4

Fuck that, there’s no way you pass on Richardson or Levi’s to get Hooker later

Have to get a QB at 4 that’s it end of fuckin story

[Discflinger]

I don’t think so. Especially knowing that we don’t know shit.

[rcubed]

Fuck that, there’s no way you pass on Richardson or Levi’s to get Hooker later

Have to get a QB at 4 that’s it end of fuckin story
sure, but it would be a very ballard thing to do to not take a QB at 4. it will be interesting to see come draft day!

[apballin]

sure, but it would be a very ballard thing to do to not take a QB at 4. it will be interesting to see come draft day!

Agree I just want to see who our qb is gonna be

[JAFF]

I don’t think so. Especially knowing that we don’t know shit.

Welcome to the internet

[Lov2fish]

Levis pro day. A lot of attention to his footwork. As usual none of the shit Dam speaks of shows up here. His unwavering love affair for Stroud is a little unnerving.
Levis throwing across his body on the run, and being accurate is something I didn't see in some of his videos I have watched, until this one. Dude is very accurate on the run in awkward throwing positions. One thing that stands out? Dude has a fucking lightening quick release. When the ball reaches the apex of height before release and he cuts it loose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gFaJY-Sh4Y

[apballin]

Levis pro day. A lot of attention to his footwork. As usual none of the shit Dam speaks of shows up here. His unwavering love affair for Stroud is a little unnerving.
Levis throwing across his body on the run, and being accurate is something I didn't see in some of his videos I have watched, until this one. Dude is very accurate on the run in awkward throwing positions. One thing that stands out? Dude has a fucking lightening quick release. When the ball reaches the apex of height before release and he cuts it loose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gFaJY-Sh4Y

His quick release is impressive and how he doesn’t have to load up to throw

[CletusPyle]

I saw the highlights of his pro day and was very impressed...maybe the Colts seeming lack of interest is just a rouse to disguise their true intentions. I have liked Levis from the beginning and will be ecstatic if that is who we end up drafting!

[ChaosTheory]

Levis pro day. A lot of attention to his footwork. As usual none of the shit Dam speaks of shows up here. His unwavering love affair for Stroud is a little unnerving.
Levis throwing across his body on the run, and being accurate is something I didn't see in some of his videos I have watched, until this one. Dude is very accurate on the run in awkward throwing positions. One thing that stands out? Dude has a fucking lightening quick release. When the ball reaches the apex of height before release and he cuts it loose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gFaJY-Sh4Y

I'll be devil's advocate and split hairs. Kind of have to, he's throwing against air.

What do you think of his placement and touch? His velocity is obviously great. Throws like 0:53 or the wheel routes at 4:09 (right) and 4:32 (left) where the receivers have to stop their momentum, contort for the ball, and end up spinning their bodies the opposite direction. A few others where they at least have to slow up for the ball or the ball is a little high.

The throw at 3:07 is simultaneously impressive for getting it to his guy on that kind of platform and also concerning because if he set himself up better, that receiver doesn't have to slow down and basket catch it near his knees. That's a tough completion against an NFL DB.

Again, splitting hairs... but it is against air and we are talking about a premium draft pick.

[Dam8610]

Levis pro day. A lot of attention to his footwork. As usual none of the shit Dam speaks of shows up here. His unwavering love affair for Stroud is a little unnerving.
Levis throwing across his body on the run, and being accurate is something I didn't see in some of his videos I have watched, until this one. Dude is very accurate on the run in awkward throwing positions. One thing that stands out? Dude has a fucking lightening quick release. When the ball reaches the apex of height before release and he cuts it loose.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gFaJY-Sh4Y

It literally happens on 50% or more of the throws. Watch his front foot when he plants it to throw, specifically where his toes are pointing in relation to where he is throwing the ball. About the only time his foot points in the correct direction is when he completely turns his body to throw the ball in the other direction. His toes on his front foot should be pointing in the direction of the throw when he throws the ball. They almost never are, the exception being when the entire body turns to make a throw.

[Dam8610]

I'll be devil's advocate and split hairs. Kind of have to, he's throwing against air.

What do you think of his placement and touch? His velocity is obviously great. Throws like 0:53 or the wheel routes at 4:09 (right) and 4:32 (left) where the receivers have to stop their momentum, contort for the ball, and end up spinning their bodies the opposite direction. A few others where they at least have to slow up for the ball or the ball is a little high.

The throw at 3:07 is simultaneously impressive for getting it to his guy on that kind of platform and also concerning because if he set himself up better, that receiver doesn't have to slow down and basket catch it near his knees. That's a tough completion against an NFL DB.

Again, splitting hairs... but it is against air and we are talking about a premium draft pick.

These are exactly the kind of accuracy issues that are caused by his mechanical flaw.

If you don't believe what I'm talking about exists, grab a football, step into a throw, and point your foot in the opposite direction of the throw before throwing the ball. It's the best way to learn why it's a problem.

[Dam8610]

Throw at 3:10 illustrates my point perfectly. His body is contorted so badly he has to hop to avoid injuring himself.

[apballin]

The only thing that bothered me was how he spins the ball in his hand constantly I don’t know if that was a pro day thing or something he normally does but that shits gotta stop

[YDFL Commish]

Watched his pro day. I was not super impressed with his accuracy. It has to improve.

That said, in watching his interviews and the interview with Mark Stoops, I believe that he can improve in that area. If Levis proves to be coachable and willing to work on every aspect of his game, then that makes him the anti-Wentz.

If the Colts pick Levis at #4, I would not be shocked and I can't say that I'll be terribly disappointed.

[Lov2fish]

I'll be devil's advocate and split hairs. Kind of have to, he's throwing against air.

What do you think of his placement and touch? His velocity is obviously great. Throws like 0:53 or the wheel routes at 4:09 (right) and 4:32 (left) where the receivers have to stop their momentum, contort for the ball, and end up spinning their bodies the opposite direction. A few others where they at least have to slow up for the ball or the ball is a little high.

The throw at 3:07 is simultaneously impressive for getting it to his guy on that kind of platform and also concerning because if he set himself up better, that receiver doesn't have to slow down and basket catch it near his knees. That's a tough completion against an NFL DB.

Again, splitting hairs... but it is against air and we are talking about a premium draft pick.

I never said he didn't have flaws. I have said since day one I would not draft any of the four being touted in this years draft. I would trade back and gain capital. Ballard will pull the trigger on a QB though, you know he will after the past failed attempts at guys hanging onto their careers for to long.

[ChaosTheory]

If you don't believe what I'm talking about

Oh, I believe you. I think it's a fairly clear point and why I always think of Wentz.

Throw at 3:10 illustrates my point perfectly. His body is contorted so badly he has to hop to avoid injuring himself.

Yeah, that was the exact throw I was referencing above. The arm strength to get it to the receiver with such a bad base is impressive... but having such a bad base causes an badly placed ball.

If Levis proves to be coachable and willing to work on every aspect of his game, then that makes him the anti-Wentz.

I typically can't watch interviews, they seem too prefabricated. But that's the key and unfortunately A.) we can't know what teams think about him until the draft and B.) we can't know if he actually has that character until he gets in the building.

Dudes have come in and fixed issues, though.

I never said he didn't have flaws. I have said since day one I would not draft any of the four being touted in this years draft. I would trade back and gain capital. Ballard will pull the trigger on a QB though, you know he will after the past failed attempts at guys hanging onto their careers for to long.

I know you didn't. I was genuinely asking what you thought about his placement.

[Lov2fish]

Oh, I believe you. I think it's a fairly clear point and why I always think of Wentz.



Yeah, that was the exact throw I was referencing above. The arm strength to get it to the receiver with such a bad base is impressive... but having such a bad base causes an badly placed ball.



I typically can't watch interviews, they seem too prefabricated. But that's the key and unfortunately A.) we can't know what teams think about him until the draft and B.) we can't know if he actually has that character until he gets in the building.

Dudes have come in and fixed issues, though.



I know you didn't. I was genuinely asking what you thought about his placement.

I think his mechanics need work, no denying that. He has a tendency to trust his arm strength to much, and he can on occasion look down his receivers to the point the CB or safety will bait him onto a pick. I still personally think he is gonna take to the NFL faster than the others. However that may just be mediocre. I hope I am wrong no matter which one we draft. I am fan first and foremost. Actually I am a huge homer!

[Chromeburn]

They call it pigeon toe throwing based off the medical condition. Levis had some bad throws as well. Hit the ceiling in one of the deep balls. He has some work to do. Carson couldn’t fix his, but some guys do. Hurts fixed his mechanics, so did Allen. I shouldn’t say Carson didn’t fix it, he would work on it in the off season, but would revert in game situations. Lots cb of tools to work with though. I’m just disappoited he doesn’t really put Mayo in his coffee, guess it was a joke.

All these QBs have flaws that could bring them down and strengths that could lead them to success. It’s funny because if they bust people will say “the red flags weee there.” And if the succeed people will say “all the signs were there.” It’s like the people claiming the Colts should have drafted Herbert as if he didn’t have red flags at the time too.

[IndyNorm]

They call it pigeon toe throwing based off the medical condition. Levis had some bad throws as well. Hit the ceiling in one of the deep balls. He has some work to do. Carson couldn’t fix his, but some guys do. Hurts fixed his mechanics, so did Allen. I shouldn’t say Carson didn’t fix it, he would work on it in the off season, but would revert in game situations. Lots cb of tools to work with though. I’m just disappoited he doesn’t really put Mayo in his coffee, guess it was a joke.

All these QBs have flaws that could bring them down and strengths that could lead them to success. It’s funny because if they bust people will say “the red flags weee there.” And if the succeed people will say “all the signs were there.” It’s like the people claiming the Colts should have drafted Herbert as if he didn’t have red flags at the time too.

I'm not so sure about this. Dam has assured us that Stroud is perfect in every possible way and will without a doubt will be the best QB in NFL history. He's also assured us that Levis and Richardson are probably the 2 worst QB prospects in history, and if the Colts draft either one they'll probably never win another game.

[Dam8610]

They call it pigeon toe throwing based off the medical condition. Levis had some bad throws as well. Hit the ceiling in one of the deep balls. He has some work to do. Carson couldn’t fix his, but some guys do. Hurts fixed his mechanics, so did Allen. I shouldn’t say Carson didn’t fix it, he would work on it in the off season, but would revert in game situations. Lots cb of tools to work with though. I’m just disappoited he doesn’t really put Mayo in his coffee, guess it was a joke.

All these QBs have flaws that could bring them down and strengths that could lead them to success. It’s funny because if they bust people will say “the red flags weee there.” And if the succeed people will say “all the signs were there.” It’s like the people claiming the Colts should have drafted Herbert as if he didn’t have red flags at the time too.

Herbert had tons of red flags, his accuracy was never as good as it's been in the NFL at Oregon. That's why I didn't like him. He developed his accuracy, good for him. I believe that accuracy, ball placement, and anticipation throwing are three of the hardest traits for a QB to develop, so when a QB has those traits (Burrow, Stroud, Mac Jones), those are the QBs that I tend to think will have the easiest path to success in the NFL, especially if their arm strength and athleticism are average or better. QBs that lack those traits are harder to buy into for the same reason.

[Dam8610]

I'm not so sure about this. Dam has assured us that Stroud is perfect in every possible way and will without a doubt be the best QB in NFL history. He's also assured us that Levis and Richardson are probably the 2 worst QB prospects in history, and if the Colts draft either one they'll probably never win another game.

Ha! That's rich. Stroud could fail, Richardson and Levis could succeed. Probability favors the alternate outcomes, at least in my opinion. That's because one is very good at accuracy, ball placement, and anticipation throwing, and the other two are average-bad at those things.

[YDFL Commish]

I'll say this about Levis. Out of all of these QB's, he's the most likely to stand tall in the pocket and take a hit to deliver the ball and make a play.

[Lov2fish]

JMV is sticking to the Colts drafting Levis. Manning has been working with him and talking to him. Sure sounds like he will be a Colt to me.

[IndyNorm]

Ha! That's rich. Stroud could fail, Richardson and Levis could succeed. Probability favors the alternate outcomes, at least in my opinion. That's because one is very good at accuracy, ball placement, and anticipation throwing, and the other two are average-bad at those things.

Glad you got a laugh out of it (I certainly did typing it up). Although what's funny is that it's only a slight exaggeration of what you've been going on about for months now.

[ChaosTheory]

JMV is sticking to the Colts drafting Levis. Manning has been working with him and talking to him. Sure sounds like he will be a Colt to me.

Is he claiming a source or is this just his opinion? Also, who was it that was saying IND wanted Levis like right when the offseason started? Same guy?

[Brylok]

JMV is sticking to the Colts drafting Levis. Manning has been working with him and talking to him. Sure sounds like he will be a Colt to me.

Outside of saying something on the phone like, "Well, you know, Will, Indianapolis is a great place to play. Good luck", why on Earth would Peyton Manning be working with/talking to Levis? That makes zero sense. Peyton is Denver now, and has been for years. He lives there with his family and works with the Broncos organization. Why would he help the opposing AFC team that dumped him? I don't believe any of that stuff. The Peyton obsession is weird within the Colts fanbase.

[apballin]

Outside of saying something on the phone like, "Well, you know, Will, Indianapolis is a great place to play. Good luck", why on Earth would Peyton Manning be working with/talking to Levis? That makes zero sense. Peyton is Denver now, and has been for years. He lives there with his family and works with the Broncos organization. Why would he help the opposing AFC team that dumped him? I don't believe any of that stuff. The Peyton obsession is weird within the Colts fanbase.

Nah it’s true he still likes to mentor/ guide young QBs

I mean honestly if you were a top 5 qb in this draft which team would you prefer to go to?

[Brylok]

Nah it’s true he still likes to mentor/ guide young QBs

I mean honestly if you were a top 5 qb in this draft which team would you prefer to go to?

Out of the teams picking top five? Indianapolis or Seattle. Indy since they play indoors. Seattle is ran better though.

[Oldcolt]

Who gives a shit what Manning thinks about a QB’s evaluation. What expertise at draft evaluation does he have? I don’t know for a fact but find it extremely hard to believe Manning has any pull as to who to put as the next face of this franchise.

[JAFF]

Outside of saying something on the phone like, "Well, you know, Will, Indianapolis is a great place to play. Good luck", why on Earth would Peyton Manning be working with/talking to Levis? That makes zero sense. Peyton is Denver now, and has been for years. He lives there with his family and works with the Broncos organization. Why would he help the opposing AFC team that dumped him? I don't believe any of that stuff. The Peyton obsession is weird within the Colts fanbase.

In no particular order:

- Peyton may know him from his passing camp.
- Peyton is still involved with the childrens hospital that has his name indy.
- Peyton showed up when they stuck a huge statue in front of the house he built in Indy, Lucas Oil Stadium. He and Irsay have a good relationship.

Manning is a realist. He knew the Colts had to let him go and start over. Jim Irsay is a players owner. Is there one example of Irsay putting the screws to a player, who showed up and played hard?

Peyton didnt get kicked to the curb, he got released and allowed to find the place HE wanted to join.

[rcubed]

Who gives a shit what Manning thinks about a QB’s evaluation. What expertise at draft evaluation does he have? I don’t know for a fact but find it extremely hard to believe Manning has any pull as to who to put as the next face of this franchise.
eh. I think manning and irsay have a good relationship. If levis has worked with manning in any fashion, it would be stupid for irsay to not get his opinion.

[ChaosTheory]

I mean, doesn't Peyton do this kind of stuff with the high profile kids every year? Must be dozens at this point who've "worked" with him at some point before being drafted.

I don't think he's doing recon for Irsay.

[apballin]

I mean, doesn't Peyton do this kind of stuff with the high profile kids every year? Must be dozens at this point who've "worked" with him at some point before being drafted.

I don't think he's doing recon for Irsay.

Not doing it for Irsay but I’m sure if Irsay had questions about a guy Manning would give him a rundown of what he sees/ thinks

[Chromeburn]

Outside of saying something on the phone like, "Well, you know, Will, Indianapolis is a great place to play. Good luck", why on Earth would Peyton Manning be working with/talking to Levis? That makes zero sense. Peyton is Denver now, and has been for years. He lives there with his family and works with the Broncos organization. Why would he help the opposing AFC team that dumped him? I don't believe any of that stuff. The Peyton obsession is weird within the Colts fanbase.

All these guys have attended his camp I bet at some point. I think Levis has been going for a while and was a counselor the last couple of times.

[Oldcolt]

Sure you get his opinion but it better hold less clout than your scouting does

[ChaosTheory]

Sure you get his opinion but it better hold less clout than your scouting does

There's a clip of Dennis Rodman trying to explain what he studied and looked for when certain guys shot in order to position himself to get as many rebounds as he did at his size.

He doesn't quite explain what was going on in his mind very well at all in the clip. But he clearly saw something on tape and on the court that other guys didn't.

Point being that being a great player doesn't make you a great teacher, evaluator, coach, etc.

[YDFL Commish]

Apparently Levis is bombing at interviews:

https://twitter.com/NFLDraftBites/status/1640948542771544064

[Dam8610]

Apparently Levis is bombing at interviews:

https://twitter.com/NFLDraftBites/status/1640948542771544064

Good

[Brylok]

Just saw Richardson throwing at his pro day. Looked like crap. Not hitting anyone in stride. Receivers having to run back to catch underthrown balls. Having to contort themselves and stretch jump up to catch hospital balls. He threw one nice deep ball, but other than that...woof. No thanks.

[Dam8610]

Just saw Richardson throwing at his pro day. Looked like crap. Not hitting anyone in stride. Receivers having to run back to catch underthrown balls. Having to contort themselves and stretch jump up to catch hospital balls. He threw one nice deep ball, but other than that...woof. No thanks.

Is it too late to trade up to #1 and get Stroud?

[Brylok]

Is it too late to trade up to #1 and get Stroud?

Was never going to happen. Prepare for Levis. Just how it is unless they're stupid and pay Lamar and give Baltimore the 4 and next year's first.

[Oldcolt]

Just saw Richardson throwing at his pro day. Looked like crap. Not hitting anyone in stride. Receivers having to run back to catch underthrown balls. Having to contort themselves and stretch jump up to catch hospital balls. He threw one nice deep ball, but other than that...woof. No thanks.

Pro days mean shit. Jeff George had supposedly the greatest pro day ever and was a total POS. I am not saying we should be all in on AR, but how he throws with nobody in his face means zilch. If it really was bad I’m more interested in his reaction. On the other hand we may be more interested in Lamar now

[Dam8610]

Was never going to happen. Prepare for Levis. Just how it is unless they're stupid and pay Lamar and give Baltimore the 4 and next year's first.

Or they're smart and start negotiating with Lamar after the draft. I could see a draft and stash strategy where they get Richardson and Lamar, building for a specific style of offense, which will allow Richardson time to sit on the bench and develop accuracy and learn from the greatest dual threat QB that's ever played in the NFL. If Ballard really goes Levis after all the negative shit coming out about him, it will be time for Ballard to go, because as good as he is at evaluating other positions, he will have proven at that point that he can’t evaluate the two most important positions in the NFL: passer and pass rusher. He can put the most talented roster possible around deficiencies at those two positions, and the result will be mediocrity and failure.

[Brylok]

Pro days mean shit

Well, he looked it. Other than wanting nothing to do with Lamar Jackson, I have no dog in the race. I don't like any of them, but they gotta pick someone. I think it's Levis. I don't like it but whatever.

[DragonTails]

Are there any stud TEs to take at number 4? (asking for a friend)

[ChaosTheory]

Pro days mean shit. Jeff George had supposedly the greatest pro day ever and was a total POS. I am not saying we should be all in on AR, but how he throws with nobody in his face means zilch. If it really was bad I’m more interested in his reaction. On the other hand we may be more interested in Lamar now

I agree with the bold but it depends on how you're looking at it. Just because you look great throwing against air, doesn't mean you'll look great throwing in a game. True.

But if you look bad throwing against air, I can't expect you to look better in live action. I haven't watched Richardson's pro day yet, but that's the word.

[smitty46953]

Just grab the best "Long Snapper" available and move all-in to tank for next year? :cool:

[apballin]

I’d take Lamar over any of these guys

Levis or Richardson didn’t do shit in college and they’re both just trying to sell themselves any way they can right now. Levis posting his pumped up workout selfies and Richardson looking like a tumbler on a gymnastics team. Who the fuck does that shit on their pro day???

[Brylok]

I'd probably take Anderson and Hooker. It would help our pass rush immediately and we'd maybe get the #1 pick next year. Top 5 pick, anyway. Fans would riot though, so they won't do it.

[JAFF]

I agree with the bold but it depends on how you're looking at it. Just because you look great throwing against air, doesn't mean you'll look great throwing in a game. True.

But if you look bad throwing against air, I can't expect you to look better in live action. I haven't watched Richardson's pro day yet, but that's the word.

George was an egomaniac and pos. Great athlete, bigger a hole.