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JAFF
03-14-2023, 01:16 PM
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2023/03/14/colts-is-trading-for-lamar-jackson-possible/70004445007/



The Colts are on the hunt for a quarterback of the now and future, and it's a search they're finding hard to control. After the Bears shipped out the No. 1 pick in the upcoming NFL Draft to the Panthers in a blockbuster deal last Friday, the Colts are looking to, at best, select the third rookie quarterback off the board this spring. The Texans own the No. 2 pick, and even if they trade it, it won't be to their AFC South rival.

But there's a path out there to get a proven star quarterback in his mid-20s for less draft capital than that. His name is Lamar Jackson, and he's the topic in the NFL right now.


The 2019 MVP is at an impasse with the Ravens over a contract. He's currently under the non-exclusive franchise tag, which essentially allows him to negotiate deals with other teams that the Ravens can either match or let him walk for two first-round picks.

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If the Colts are interested, they can meet with Jackson, try to iron out a contract and see if the Ravens would let him walk for two first-round picks. If that's before this year's draft, that would include the Colts' No. 4 overall selection; if it's after, it would pull from the next two drafts.

It's an unprecedented route to find a quarterback, but as the Colts are desperate to end their search for one, it's something they will consider.

Baltimore Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson won the Most Valuable Player award in 2019, his first year as a full-time starter.
Pros of Lamar Jackson for Colts

The goal in the NFL is to land a star quarterback, one of the 10 or so humans on the planet who can throw, run, operate, lead and dominate with the weight on their shoulders.

Jackson is one of those 10. He's a 26-year-old who has already won an MVP. His blurring speed at 6-foot-2 and 212 pounds can rush for 1,000 yards in a single season, and it can extend passing plays for an eternity so he can find a receiver late with fearlessness and touch.

He has 101 touchdown passes to 38 interceptions with 63.7% accuracy and 7.4 yards per attempt in his career, which are strong passing numbers for the best running quarterback in the game. He averages 1,109 yards and five touchdowns rushing per season, on 6.1 yards per carry.

Jackson is as unique a talent as the league has at quarterback, one that can feed the brain of a creative offensive coach. That's what the Colts believe they have found in Shane Steichen, who has found success running three different systems for Philip Rivers, Justin Herbert and Jalen Hurts.



His latest work, developing Hurts into an MVP runner-up who played lights out in the Super Bowl, could be his case to Jackson. He can build an offense around the unique athleticism of his quarterback, creating the No. 1 rushing team per Football Outsiders' DVOA metric, while still remaining pass-first in philosophy. He can use the run to set up high-percentage passes through play-action, sprint outs and run-run-pass-option plays. It can allow a developing passer like Hurts to throw for 22 touchdowns and six interceptions on a 101.5 rating at its peak.

By pulling a safety into the box with the quarterback's run threat, Steichen can open up explosive throws outside the numbers that feed into Jackson's lively arm.

The Colts have to reshape their offensive line for any quarterback, but Jackson's ability to scramble and throw contested passes late can play into the size and skill sets of Michael Pittman Jr. and Alec Pierce. Those would be two of the better receivers he has played with, as the Ravens rank 31st in wide receiver spending over the past three seasons, even with Jackson on a rookie contract. Baltimore's free-agent acquisitions at the position have been aging veterans like Dez Bryant and DeSean Jackson. Part of why Jackson attempts two-thirds of his passes between the hashes is he doesn't have anyone out wide he can trust.


The Colts don't have a tight end like Mark Andrews to be his All-Pro safety valve, but they do have one with upside in Jelani Woods, who flashed rare speed with 12.5 yards per catch as a rookie last year.

The best advantage the Colts can offer Jackson is Jonathan Taylor. Not since 2019 has Jackson had a running back crack more than 805 yards, and the year he got 1,000 yards from Mark Ingram, Jackson led the league in touchdown passes and won the MVP. Taylor is two years removed from winning the rushing title with 1,811 yards and 18 touchdowns.

Jackson and Taylor are the two best runners at their respective positions. Both have been in need of a Robin to lessen the physical toll. They could be exactly what each other is searching for, and it could take the Colts' run game to untapped potential.

Jackson plays a rugged running style that has cost him 12 games, including 10 the past two years. The Colts have the coaching staff and personnel to pitch him on a new way. Jackson has never attempted fewer than 401 passes in a season, and with better receivers and a pass-first play designer, that should skyrocket to at least the 446 Hurts has averaged the past two seasons. He's never played with a bell-cow running back, but with Taylor, he could see his rushes per game decrease from 10.4 to fewer than nine. His speed would still be a weapon, just more in extending plays and creating deception around Taylor.

By becoming truly dual-threat rather than run-first, an experienced Jackson could be one that ages gracefully while still displaying those special traits with a game on the line.

Baltimore Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson has dealt with injuries the past two seasons that have cost him 10 games.
Cons of Lamar Jackson for the Colts

Two key reasons have Jackson at this uncertain stage.

The first is that Jackson wants a fully guaranteed contract for a long-term deal like Deshaun Watson received last season from the Browns. Even though it’s a five-year contract, the NFL requires teams to place guaranteed money in an escrow account at the time of the signing. A $250 million fully guaranteed deal would need $250 million in liquid cash. Most owners don't have it, as their value is tied in assets and not actual cash.


The Colts are by no means an exception to this rule.

The other reason is that Jackson's unique playing style has made it hard for him to be on the field. Though teams can make some adjustment to the number of runs he has, he can only be himself if he's able to use his legs in miraculous ways. The risk will never disappear; eventually, it will get worse with age.

Investing a large percentage of the salary cap in a player who could miss critical games is a risky proposition. The unique, dynamic play that can make Jackson the MVP also makes him that much harder to replace when he's hurt. Baltimore is 46-19 with Jackson and 8-14 with a backup in his place.

The margin for error will diminish without next year's first-round pick. Though Jackson would likely make it a low pick, it could be a valuable resource to find a left tackle or a wide receiver, which Jackson might need in order to age gracefully. It's a much different world to live in than with a rookie contract, where the roster around the quarterback can be endlessly strong, as it was for the Eagles with Hurts.


Could the Colts just create their own Jackson on a rookie contract with the No. 4 pick? That's the question they have to wrestle with in evaluating Anthony Richardson and Will Levis. The upside comes in spades. But both are projects, too.

Baltimore Ravens quarterback Lamar Jackson can be had in a unique trade scenario as part of the non-exclusive franchise tag.
Will the Colts sign Lamar Jackson?

The Colts are turning over every stone to find an answer at a position that has haunted them since Andrew Luck's retirement. If one of those features a 26-year-old MVP with rare traits, they're likely going to give it a hard look.

The negotiation piece is a challenge, given that a team has to find a deal Jackson would accept but that his team would not, a narrow line to walk. The Colts can't win this purely with guaranteed money. They will need to sell Jackson on something short-term, like the three-year, $84 million fully guaranteed contract Kirk Cousins received from the Vikings.

Perhaps a three-year, $150 million deal is something beneficial to everyone. It would tie with Aaron Rodgers for the highest annual salary of any player.


The incentive would be to keep signing new deals as the salary cap rises, maximizing earning potential. That short-term mentality would put an imperative on his health. If the Colts can pitch their best plan to keep him upright with a transition to more passing and complementing Taylor rather than playing as the centerpiece in the running game, it's possible that he and the Ravens see this as an opportunity to move on.

After years of stalled contract talks and uncertainty, the Ravens could see this as a time to reset. Florida's Anthony Richardson represents a generational athlete that could be had with the No. 4 pick. Then, with three more first-round selections the next two years, the Ravens could see a good opportunity to reload.

Perhaps the Colts should take Richardson for that reason. But for one more first-round pick and a lot of salary, it could be worth trading for the realized player everyone is hoping he can become.

Dam8610
03-14-2023, 01:34 PM
It's the best team building strategy at this point if they're not trading up to #1. Sign Lamar, use the 4th pick to acquire as much future draft capital as possible, and replace the two picks you lose with someone else's picks. Lamar is only 27. Baltimore probably won't match 5/250 fully guaranteed. And if they do, you're just in the spot you're in now.

Brylok
03-14-2023, 01:45 PM
Absolutely not. Just because Cleveland was stupid and guaranteed Watson $200+M doesn't mean other teams should do it. Lamar is run first and now injury prone and on the decline. Colts shouldn't go anywhere near him.

JAFF
03-14-2023, 02:15 PM
Absolutely not. Just because Cleveland was stupid and guaranteed Watson $200+M doesn't mean other teams should do it. Lamar is run first and now injury prone and on the decline. Colts shouldn't go anywhere near him.

And according to the article Irsay would need to put that $250 million in cash into an escrow account. He may not be that liquid.

Brylok
03-14-2023, 02:47 PM
And according to the article Irsay would need to put that $250 million in cash into an escrow account. He may not be that liquid.

Yep, escrow. All of that $250M goes into the pot immediately. Plus two first round picks. No way the Colts should do that (if they even could).

Lov2fish
03-14-2023, 02:53 PM
No from me. He is basically a running back who throws when he has to. I prefer my QB be a thrower and a runner lastly. Gonna last a lot longer in this league. He has already had injuries the last two seasons. Defensive coordinators eventually figure out the running QB. Almost impossible to consistently defend a perfectly thrown ball to a spot nobody can get but your receiver.

JAFF
03-14-2023, 02:57 PM
No from me. He is basically a running back who throws when he has to. I prefer my QB be a thrower and a runner lastly. Gonna last a lot longer in this league. He has already had injuries the last two seasons. Defensive coordinators eventually figure out the running QB. Almost impossible to consistently defend a perfectly thrown ball to a spot nobody can get but your receiver.

Exactly

Oldcolt
03-14-2023, 03:17 PM
Depends. I agree he isn't going to age well. His amazing physical ability is so much of his game. On the other hand he might be worth it if you look at is as a 4-5 year deal AND you can do it after this years draft. I doubt if that could get done but if it could I would be interested. You need to kick the tires on him at the least.

Dam8610
03-14-2023, 03:51 PM
No from me. He is basically a running back who throws when he has to. I prefer my QB be a thrower and a runner lastly. Gonna last a lot longer in this league. He has already had injuries the last two seasons. Defensive coordinators eventually figure out the running QB. Almost impossible to consistently defend a perfectly thrown ball to a spot nobody can get but your receiver.

But no one wants to pay to go get that guy, either.

Hoopsdoc
03-14-2023, 04:08 PM
If you want someone like Lamar, just draft Richardson and coach him up. Would be a lot cheaper.

Brylok
03-14-2023, 04:28 PM
But no one wants to pay to go get that guy, either.

I think it's going to be Levis, Minshew, and Ehlinger. The only money involved will be for Minshew.

Lov2fish
03-14-2023, 04:43 PM
But no one wants to pay to go get that guy, either.

They don't want to pay because he wants 250-300 mil guaranteed after two injury shortened seasons. Nobody is crazy enough to do it. He should take what the Ravens are offering and prove everyone wrong.

Dam8610
03-14-2023, 05:02 PM
They don't want to pay because he wants 250-300 mil guaranteed after two injury shortened seasons. Nobody is crazy enough to do it. He should take what the Ravens are offering and prove everyone wrong.

I meant the accurate QB who can put the ball where only his receiver can get it. No one wants to pay the price in draft capital to go up and get him, and no one wants to pay the price in money to go get an established veteran starting QB. So I guess the Colts are just going to continue to be bad for the foreseeable future, and everyone here is okay with that because they didn't "overpay" to get the #1 pick and they didn't "overpay" to get a quality veteran starter.

Lov2fish
03-14-2023, 05:41 PM
I meant the accurate QB who can put the ball where only his receiver can get it. No one wants to pay the price in draft capital to go up and get him, and no one wants to pay the price in money to go get an established veteran starting QB. So I guess the Colts are just going to continue to be bad for the foreseeable future, and everyone here is okay with that because they didn't "overpay" to get the #1 pick and they didn't "overpay" to get a quality veteran starter.


Can you apply for the GM job in Jacksonville. They are starting to get good, even with the "Bust" QB. We don't need them being good and you would go a long way in assuring this. The other two are already dysfunctional.

JAFF
03-14-2023, 05:49 PM
I meant the accurate QB who can put the ball where only his receiver can get it. No one wants to pay the price in draft capital to go up and get him, and no one wants to pay the price in money to go get an established veteran starting QB. So I guess the Colts are just going to continue to be bad for the foreseeable future, and everyone here is okay with that because they didn't "overpay" to get the #1 pick and they didn't "overpay" to get a quality veteran starter.

Please just stop it. When has Irsay EVER not spent money? Edge came up short on 1000 yards when he played hurt. Jim took care of him. Irsay has a weakness, he loves football PLAYERS. Jim is a lot of things, and one of them is a good judge of heart in a player.

Irsay cant fall back on some other stream of income. His income is the Colts. Woody Johnson will raise the price on baby powder to pay for Aaron Rodgers. IWhile there is a cap, that money can be stretched out to remain in 5he rules, Uber rich owners can rebound teams faster than owners like Irsay.

And he doled out money last year for a Qb that came up short. In your perfect world where everything goes as planed, shit never happens. The problem is that 99% of us on this board live in a world where shit happens every day.

ukcolt
03-14-2023, 06:18 PM
I meant the accurate QB who can put the ball where only his receiver can get it. No one wants to pay the price in draft capital to go up and get him, and no one wants to pay the price in money to go get an established veteran starting QB. So I guess the Colts are just going to continue to be bad for the foreseeable future, and everyone here is okay with that because they didn't "overpay" to get the #1 pick and they didn't "overpay" to get a quality veteran starter.

I would pay the price for Mahomes, Burrow, Allen, Herbert, possibly Hurts, and maybe Watson, but to me there isn't another QB in the league worth pushing all of the chips into the centre of the table. And certainly not in this draft class either. The 4th pick will get you a shot at a QB who is likely to give you good production as a starter, but still has much to prove.

Bringing in someone like Rodgers, would be a huge upgrade, i am not doubting that, but for how much longer? He isn't at the peak of his powers anymore.

IndyNorm
03-14-2023, 07:14 PM
I meant the accurate QB who can put the ball where only his receiver can get it. No one wants to pay the price in draft capital to go up and get him, and no one wants to pay the price in money to go get an established veteran starting QB. So I guess the Colts are just going to continue to be bad for the foreseeable future, and everyone here is okay with that because they didn't "overpay" to get the #1 pick and they didn't "overpay" to get a quality veteran starter.

So what exactly do you want anyone on here to do about it other than just agree with you to feed your ego? Ballard, who you've stated is a very good GM in your opinion, obviously either doesn't think Stroud is worth the cost to trade up or he thinks Stroud will still be there at #4 (or possibly 3 with a trade up to AZ).

And FWIW I do agree with you that Stroud is the top QB in the draft. I'm just not going to lose any sleep over this like I did when Ballard decided to hand the starting LT job to Matt Pryor.

IndyNorm
03-14-2023, 07:15 PM
Can you apply for the GM job in Jacksonville. They are starting to get good, even with the "Bust" QB. We don't need them being good and you would go a long way in assuring this. The other two are already dysfunctional.

That would be amazing. Dam would probably trade that "bust" to us for the 5th rounder we just picked up from Dallas.

YDFL Commish
03-14-2023, 07:17 PM
So what exactly do you want anyone on here to do about it other than just agree with you to feed your ego? Ballard, who you've stated is a very good GM in your opinion, obviously either doesn't think Stroud is worth the cost to trade up or he thinks Stroud will still be there at #4 (or possibly 3 with a trade up to AZ).

And FWIW I do agree with you that Stroud is the top QB in the draft. I'm just not going to lose any sleep over this like I did when Ballard decided to hand the starting LT job to Matt Pryor.

Even if you agree with Dam, if you don't do it in the way he would prefer, you are wrong.

Brylok
03-14-2023, 07:22 PM
Even if you agree with Dam, if you don't do it in the way he would prefer, you are wrong.

Ha!

IndyNorm
03-14-2023, 07:42 PM
Even if you agree with Dam, if you don't do it in the way he would prefer, you are wrong.

I wonder if he's watched any film of some of us agreeing with posts :D

Dam8610
03-14-2023, 08:25 PM
So what exactly do you want anyone on here to do about it other than just agree with you to feed your ego? Ballard, who you've stated is a very good GM in your opinion, obviously either doesn't think Stroud is worth the cost to trade up or he thinks Stroud will still be there at #4 (or possibly 3 with a trade up to AZ).

And FWIW I do agree with you that Stroud is the top QB in the draft. I'm just not going to lose any sleep over this like I did when Ballard decided to hand the starting LT job to Matt Pryor.

Obviously no one here can do anything about it, I'm just surprised that no one here seems to want to see the Colts make the moves to get the players they need. The Colts need a franchise QB. That is not a position where a team can afford to let the market play out and get their third or fourth choice. That is a situation that calls for aggressive action. There are two options available to fill the position: free agency or the draft. In free agency, the only option is to pay a lot of money for Lamar Jackson. That should not be Plan A, but it should be a plan that is looked at before taking the third or fourth best rookie QB. It does involve losing significant draft capital, but that draft capital can be recovered in part or in full by trading down in this year’s draft and getting future assets of other teams. In the draft, the options are to trade up and get the top guy, which is possible because Carolina has said they're willing to trade down, or let the market dictate to you who your guy will be at the most important position in professional sports, likely your third or fourth choice. I don't think anyone in Kansas City cares that Buffalo got two Pro Bowlers out of the deal when they traded up for Patrick Mahomes, who, by the way, was not considered a generational talent franchise QB at the time. But the Chiefs didn't let the market come to them, they identified their guy and went and got him. That's what the Colts need to do if they're going to go the draft route.

I do consider Ballard to be a good GM, he can definitely identify talent and compile it on the roster. He's very risk averse, however, at times to the detriment of putting together the best roster possible. This is not a situation in which risk can be avoided. If they don't take the risk of paying the price to get their guy, they'll be stuck with a high risk QB who might not even be their third choice. There will be risk no matter what approach is taken, my preference would be to minimize bust risk.

apballin
03-14-2023, 09:50 PM
Yea I’d rather have Lamar than Richardson or Levis

Lamar is proven… you know what you’re getting and he’s the same age and experience as the rest of the team

Levis or Richardson are projects that we hope will work out

Lamar is more of a sure bet and makes this team AFC south contender instantly