Panthers trade up to #1

[rm1369]

Reports are Chicago and Carolina have agreed to a trade:

Carolina gets first pick this year

Chicago gets:

2023 #9 overall
2023 #61 overall
2024 1st rounder
2025 2nd rounder
WR DJ Moore

It sucks that another QB will be off the board at 4, but I’m glad Colts aren’t giving up that much to move up. I like Stroud, but I’m not positive he’s a star.

[Dam8610]

Reports are Chicago and Carolina have agreed to a trade:

Carolina gets first pick this year

Chicago gets:

2023 #9 overall
2023 #61 overall
2024 1st rounder
2025 2nd rounder
WR DJ Moore

Nightmare scenario if true.

[Brylok]

Glad it wasn't us. Frank must want Levis bad.

[JAFF]

Nightmare scenario if true.

You mean, dead rising from their graves, seas boiling, skies on fire, dogs and cats living together, MASS HYSTERIA!!!

[Kray007]

I’m really surprised they made a deal this early. It’s not like Carolina offered a king’s ransom that blows you away. At 9, they’ll get a solid player, but the 2 game changing defenders, Anderson and Carter, will both be off the board.

[IndyNorm]

Glad it wasn't us. Frank must want Levis bad.

Hopefully you're right. Doubt that's the case though :cool:

[Lov2fish]

Stroud to Panthers
Young to Texicans
Cardinals- Carter?
Colts- Levis or Richardson.

I would not be opposed to the Colts trading back and snagging Hooker or McKee in the 2nd. round (Neither of them are worth a 1st. either). They are both about even with Hooker getting the nod for a little stronger arm.

[Mr. Session]

Go BPA or start trading down and preparing for next year.

I'm not losing any sleep. It is what it is.

[IndyNorm]

I’m really surprised they made a deal this early. It’s not like Carolina offered a king’s ransom that blows you away. At 9, they’ll get a solid player, but the 2 game changing defenders, Anderson and Carter, will both be off the board.

I'm surprised Carolina didn't have to give up more as well.

[apballin]

Nightmare scenario if true.

Not if Richardson was the target all along

[Dam8610]

I'm surprised Carolina didn't have to give up more as well.

I'm not. Bears fans pipe dream of getting our 1 and 2 and next year's 1 and 2 was exactly that, a pipe dream. Quite frankly this was an overpay by Carolina, but now they get Stroud.

[Hoopsdoc]

Welp, it’s either Levis or Richardson then, unless Carolina or Houston throws a curveball.

If it’s between those two, I want Richardson.

[Dam8610]

Welp, it’s either Levis or Richardson then, unless Carolina or Houston throws a curveball.

If it’s between those two, I want Richardson.

Jalen Carter and wait until next year. Tank for #1 and get whoever the top guy is then.

[Discflinger]

Tennessee already beat us to Tankathon 23’.

[IndyNorm]

I'm not. Bears fans pipe dream of getting our 1 and 2 and next year's 1 and 2 was exactly that, a pipe dream. Quite frankly this was an overpay by Carolina, but now they get Stroud.

I would have thought we would have to give up at least what the Giants did in '04 to get Eli: #4 overall, this years 3rd rounder, next years 1st and 5ths.

For the Bears to move down 5 more spots the Panthers gave up the #9 overall, end of 2nd rounder, next year's 1st, '25's 2nd, and a productive WR. Seems pretty comparable to above when you consider the Bears are moving down 5 more spots than what the Chargers did in '04.

[Dam8610]

I would have thought we would have to give up at least what the Giants did in '04 to get Eli: #4 overall, this years 3rd rounder, next years 1st and 5ths.

For the Bears to move down 5 more spots the Panthers gave up the #9 overall, end of 2nd rounder, next year's 1st, '25's 2nd, and a productive WR. Seems pretty comparable to above when you consider the Bears are moving down 5 more spots than what the Chargers did in '04.

Depends on how you value DJ Moore. Still think it's an overpay, but that's irrelevant unless they really love Levis.

[Dam8610]

Not if Richardson was the target all along

If Richardson was the target all along, I'm on board with ChoppedWood, fire everyone.

[Dam8610]

Tennessee already beat us to Tankathon 23’.

Not if the Colts have Sam Ehlinger, Will Levis, or Anthony Richardson as their starting QB. Any of those 3 will put the Colts LEAGUES ahead of the field for the #1 pick in 2024.

[ChaosTheory]

Panthers were the least likely of the 5 QB teams I thought would land the #1. I didn't think CHI would get out of the Carter/Anderson range. I guess nobody else thinks any of these QB's are worth that second 1st rounder.

Good that we're not overpaying, good that Irsay isn't pushing to do so.

So either they feel that Steichen can work with any of these QB's or those early reports about them liking Levis may have been true or they're actually going to say fuck any of these QB's and either take a stud/trade back.

[Hoopsdoc]

Welp, it’s either Levis or Richardson then, unless Carolina or Houston throws a curveball.

If it’s between those two, I want Richardson.

Rumor now is Arizona is shopping the 3rd pick. Colts might be left with the 4th choice.

[Hoopsdoc]

Hmmm, interesting.

According to Florio, Carolina has let it be known they’re willing to move back from 1.

That makes me wonder if they’re not interested in Levis or Richardson.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/10/panthers-get-word-out-that-they-could-trade-back-from-no-1/

[Brylok]

Tennessee already beat us to Tankathon 23’.

Never!

[Dam8610]

Hmmm, interesting.

According to Florio, Carolina has let it be known they’re willing to move back from 1.

That makes me wonder if they’re not interested in Levis or Richardson.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/10/panthers-get-word-out-that-they-could-trade-back-from-no-1/

Go get that #1 pick Ballard!

[Hoopsdoc]

Go get that #1 pick Ballard!

My guess is they’re daring Houston to come up and get Young if they want him.

They’re not trading with Ballard. They won’t go that far back.

[Hoopsdoc]

Carolina is taking Stroud. I’d bet good money on it.

We’ll see what Frank can do with a talented young qb.

[Brylok]

My biggest fear for the off season was betting the whole farm on one of those four guys. Glad that threat has passed.

[Dam8610]

My guess is they’re daring Houston to come up and get Young if they want him.

They’re not trading with Ballard. They won’t go that far back.

The Bears were only going to trade with the Colts or Texans, too. Hope is still alive.

[Dewey 5]

Nightmare scenario if true.

It's true. Forget Stroud. We have zero chance now to get him. Tank next year for Caleb Williams or Drake Maye. Also, fire Ballard. No balls & he sucks at his job

[JAFF]

Hmmm, interesting.

According to Florio, Carolina has let it be known they’re willing to move back from 1.

That makes me wonder if they’re not interested in Levis or Richardson.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/10/panthers-get-word-out-that-they-could-trade-back-from-no-1/

What? Why would you execute a trade, then try to crawl out of it? How do they come out ahead?

[Hoopsdoc]

The Bears were only going to trade with the Colts or Texans, too. Hope is still alive.

Lol, wut?

Poles was always going to trade to the highest bidder. He literally said as much.

There is no way in hell Carolina is moving back to 4 unless by some weird chance they rate Stroud, Young, Levis, and Richardson as pretty much the same. And if they did, they would have traded a lot less to Arizona to get to 3.

Carolina has their eyes on Stroud or Young. My guess is Stroud.

They’re not moving back past 2 or 3.

[Hoopsdoc]

What? Why would you execute a trade, then try to crawl out of it? How do they come out ahead?

Because they have their eye on one guy and they knew he wouldn’t be there at 9.

They feel like he’ll probably be there at 2 or 3.

Trade back and recoup some of their losses.

[Hoopsdoc]

It's true. Forget Stroud. We have zero chance now to get him. Tank next year for Caleb Williams or Drake Maye. Also, fire Ballard. No balls & he sucks at his job

I’m not sure any of these guys is worth what Carolina gave up. Two 1’s, two 2’s, and a borderline number 1 receiver.

If one is, it’s worth it.

If not, everyone is getting fired and the franchise is set back 10 years.

It did take balls to make the move, though.

[ChaosTheory]

Soap opera. So now they're willing to trade back... as in to the Texans only?

What would they want to go back to #4? Or would the Colts have to get to #3 before they'd listen?

Assuming the Colts even care to be in play for this anymore.

[Hoopsdoc]

Soap opera. So now they're willing to trade back... as in to the Texans only?

What would they want to go back to #4? Or would the Colts have to get to #3 before they'd listen?

Assuming the Colts even care to be in play for this anymore.

Colts got tea bagged by Carolina.

[Dewey 5]

Now Arizona will trade their pick, which the nutless Ballard will have no interest in because he's a pussy, & we will really be screwed.

[JAFF]

It's true. Forget Stroud. We have zero chance now to get him. Tank next year for Caleb Williams or Drake Maye. Also, fire Ballard. No balls & he sucks at his job

He really doesnt. He has been playing catchup since Luck missed the season and he brought in Brisett rather than tank.

The vets on the O line let the team down, and Ballard blew the O line replacements. It took more than one person to create last season.

And its going to take more than one rookie Qb it straighten it out. And its going to take more than one draft to make the Colts a contender. You give away 4 high draft picks you are forced to put more money on FA’s and not save money on talented , less expensive guys you will need in the future.

[apballin]

Richardson is the pick he fits the Colts more than any of these QBs he’s a humble and hungry dude

Ballard wasn’t selling the farm for 1

[ChaosTheory]

Colts got tea bagged by Carolina.

I don't know about that. They gave up a fucking lot. A fucking lot in a draft where the idea of trading up for one of these guys seems iffy at best.

Clearly the Colts, Texans, Raiders, or Seahawks aren't that convinced.

[Butter]

So much angst over a mediocre group of QBs.

[Hoopsdoc]

So much angst over a mediocre group of QBs.

Because mediocre is a massive upgrade for the Colts.

[Chromeburn]

Reports are Chicago and Carolina have agreed to a trade:

Carolina gets first pick this year

Chicago gets:

2023 #9 overall
2023 #61 overall
2024 1st rounder
2025 2nd rounder
WR DJ Moore

It sucks that another QB will be off the board at 4, but I’m glad Colts aren’t giving up that much to move up. I like Stroud, but I’m not positive he’s a star.

They will draft Stroud. He fits with Reich well. Houston should go young then. That means Indy likely chooses Richardson.

[Dewey 5]

They will draft Stroud. He fits with Reich well. Houston should go young then. That means Indy likely chooses Richardson.

Not if the team the trades with Arizona takes him. You know Ballard isn't trading up.

[Chromeburn]

Not if the team the trades with Arizona takes him. You know Ballard isn't trading up.

Maybe they like Levis and he will be there all along.

[ChaosTheory]

Plot Twist: We don't take a QB and we don't cut Matt Ryan. We're all bamboozled.

[Dewey 5]

Plot Twist: We don't take a QB and we don't cut Matt Ryan. We're all bamboozled.

Total Ballard move

[Butter]

Because mediocre is a massive upgrade for the Colts.

Maybe, seems suspect with this lot, I hate to trade away much future chance to get better.

[Dewey 5]

Maybe they like Levis and he will be there all along.

Wentz 2.0. No thank you

[Chromeburn]

Wentz 2.0. No thank you

Then they could draft the best pass rusher in the draft and then take Hooker in the 2nd.

[Dam8610]

If you can't draft Stroud or Young, don't draft a QB this year. It's a waste of a pick.

[Ironshaft]

Now Arizona will trade their pick, which the nutless Ballard will have no interest in because he's a pussy, & we will really be screwed.
Bro, you off your meds?

[JAFF]

Because mediocre is a massive upgrade for the Colts.

But not good enough to help the team. There are really good players that are not Qbs. How about a Left Tackle at 4?

[Dewey 5]

Bro, you off your meds?

I just can’t stand that guy. Worse GM in football.

[Dewey 5]

If you can't draft Stroud or Young, don't draft a QB this year. It's a waste of a pick.

Tanking for Caleb Williams or Drake Maye should be the plan.

[ChaosTheory]

I just can’t stand that guy. Worse GM in football.

Ha, I was just getting ready to comment that I made the mistake of trying to read through the official site message board and it was chock full of guys on suicide watch because they hate Ballard for this.

They want us to Ricky Williams our entire draft for one of these guys. Of course then they'll want us to Ricky Williams next years draft for whoever the highest ranked fantasy football player in free agency is.

[apballin]

Ha, I was just getting ready to comment that I made the mistake of trying to read through the official site message board and it was chock full of guys on suicide watch because they hate Ballard for this.

They want us to Ricky Williams our entire draft for one of these guys. Of course then they'll want us to Ricky Williams next years draft for whoever the highest ranked fantasy football player in free agency is.

I mean picks and DJ Moore, so it would’ve took losing Pittman to get the 1, Fuck that

[Lov2fish]

Wentz 2.0. No thank you

Show me something that say's he is Wentz 2.0? I have watched hours of footage on all the QB's in this draft. He is more athletic than Wentz. He has better accuracy. He doesn't hang onto the ball like Wentz. He will throw the ball away and play another down. All the shit I read on here about him is just regurgitated bullshit that is read from some fucking geek in a magazine or web site. Don't be lazy, watch some video and you will have an educated viewpoint, unless you're retarded that is.

[Lov2fish]

Ha, I was just getting ready to comment that I made the mistake of trying to read through the official site message board and it was chock full of guys on suicide watch because they hate Ballard for this.

They want us to Ricky Williams our entire draft for one of these guys. Of course then they'll want us to Ricky Williams next years draft for whoever the highest ranked fantasy football player in free agency is.

Dam is probably leading the charge to Ricky Williams our draft.

[Chromeburn]

Ha, I was just getting ready to comment that I made the mistake of trying to read through the official site message board and it was chock full of guys on suicide watch because they hate Ballard for this.

They want us to Ricky Williams our entire draft for one of these guys. Of course then they'll want us to Ricky Williams next years draft for whoever the highest ranked fantasy football player in free agency is.

Wish I could play poker with these guys.

[Dam8610]

Show me something that say's he is Wentz 2.0? I have watched hours of footage on all the QB's in this draft. He is more athletic than Wentz. He has better accuracy. He doesn't hang onto the ball like Wentz. He will throw the ball away and play another down. All the shit I read on here about him is just regurgitated bullshit that is read from some fucking geek in a magazine or web site. Don't be lazy, watch some video and you will have an educated viewpoint, unless you're retarded that is.

He has the same Pigeon Toe mechanical flaw as Wentz that makes Wentz fail. If you've watched "hours of film of him", have you bothered once to look at his plant foot when he throws? Because that's where all his problems come from, and they're the same problems Carson Wentz has. That is the reason it's entirely appropriate to call hom Wentz 2.0. The massive amount of turnovers don't help, either.

[njcoltfan]

Maybe they like Levis and he will be there all along.
As long as we're dealing hypotheticals, maybe our new QB whisperer HC thinks that he can work wonders with Ellinger.

[Dam8610]

Maybe this, maybe that, the Panthers said they were willing to trade off 1, go get it. That simple.

[Lov2fish]

He has the same Pigeon Toe mechanical flaw as Wentz that makes Wentz fail. If you've watched "hours of film of him", have you bothered once to look at his plant foot when he throws? Because that's where all his problems come from, and they're the same problems Carson Wentz has. That is the reason it's entirely appropriate to call hom Wentz 2.0. The massive amount of turnovers don't help, either.

You can believe your lying eyes if ya want. I'll believe what I see. The difference between you and me? I'll admit when I am wrong, you'll cook up some 6 degrees of separation why you were not technically wrong. Wrong is wrong no matter what outliers you use.

[Chromeburn]

Maybe this, maybe that, the Panthers said they were willing to trade off 1, go get it. That simple.

Because they wouldn’t have gotten a QB at 9. They had to trade up and gave up a lot of assets to do it.

[Hoopsdoc]

Because they wouldn’t have gotten a QB at 9. They had to trade up and gave up a lot of assets to do it.

Dam is in denial. There is no way in hell Carolina is trading back to four unless their GM suffers some sort of mental breakdown.

That would entirely negate moving up to one in the first place, which was obviously to take a quarterback.

They’re trying to entice Houston to trade for the first pick. Nothing more.

[Chromeburn]

Dam is in denial. There is no way in hell Carolina is trading back to four unless their GM suffers some sort of mental breakdown.

That would entirely negate moving up to one in the first place, which was obviously to take a quarterback.

They’re trying to entice Houston to trade for the first pick. Nothing more.

He just wants Stroud. It’s the only thing he cares about.

Thing is, I think there is a real shot Richardson goes 1. Teams are a lot higher on him than the fans or press are. Fans and press are always slow to the party. Media wants to talk about the good college QB's because those are built in clicks and reads. And fans are just dumb and don't know anything usually.

[nate505]

I'm thrilled they made this trade. I thought the Colts were going to do something foolish and make that trade myself, so this was great news for me. Trading 2 first round picks, 2 second round picks and a WR like Pittman to move up three spots for a QB like Stroud or Young is the height of insanity.

At this point I'm fine with the Colts moving something small like a future 2nd round pick to move up to 3, or them just sticking at four and taking whoever is leftover (if there's somehow more than one of the 4 guys left, my preference is Young/Stroud/Richardson/Levis in that order), or trading back for more picks and getting a guy like Hooker, or even saying fuck it and taking an Anderson or Carter and then taking a guy like Hooker in the 2nd round.

Any of those scenarios are better to me than what Carolina just did. And I'm not even getting the massive Levis criticism. Like I see the potential flaws, and I would prefer the potential of Richardson over him myself, but my god it seems like the narrative that he's going to be a bust has just been carved in stone without much to base it on.

[Oldcolt]

I want Super Bowl wins. You need a QB but you also need a pass rush. We don’t have either and both usually require a high draft choice. Putting Will R at rush end in Bradley’s defense would make it special

[rm1369]

I want Super Bowl wins. You need a QB but you also need a pass rush. We don’t have either and both usually require a high draft choice. Putting Will R at rush end in Bradley’s defense would make it special

I’d be perfectly happy taking Anderson at 4 (if AZ trades out) and taking Hooker late 1st or early 2nd. I don’t think they have the luxury of pushing QB to next year though. That was gone when they tanked last season - whether it was intentional or not. Right or wrong they have to leave this draft with a promised “savior.”

[Lov2fish]

I’d be perfectly happy taking Anderson at 4 (if AZ trades out) and taking Hooker late 1st or early 2nd. I don’t think they have the luxury of pushing QB to next year though. That was gone when they tanked last season - whether it was intentional or not. Right or wrong they have to leave this draft with a promised “savior.”

I am not opposed to that. Hooker and McKee will be there with our first pick of the 2nd. round. Both are good QB's with higher upside than downside.
McKee will stand in and deliver the ball knowing he will get killed. He had a decent season playing against good teams while he was surrounded by talentless players.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6eajdVB8n0

Hendon Hooker: Good arm, can run when needed. Doesn't make a lot of stupid mistakes. Footwork is good. I think McKee is more accurate, but Hooker definitely has a stronger arm and for me they are equal with Hooker getting the edge on arm strength. My main concern with him he tends to trust his arm to much and throw into coverages he shouldn't when he has an open lane for 10-15 yards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waTp0YLhxvo

[Dam8610]

You can believe your lying eyes if ya want. I'll believe what I see. The difference between you and me? I'll admit when I am wrong, you'll cook up some 6 degrees of separation why you were not technically wrong. Wrong is wrong no matter what outliers you use.

You're not admitting being wrong about this, despite the fact you clearly are. If you've "watched hours of tape on him", you're either willfully ignorant of his pigeon toe, or don't know how to spot it. It even showed up in his throws at the combine. I don't want a QB that needs a complete mechanical rebuild.

Because they wouldn’t have gotten a QB at 9. They had to trade up and gave up a lot of assets to do it.

I'm well aware of why the Panthers did what they did, I'm saying the Colts now need to do what they need to do to get #1. No excuses, no bullshit, no Levis or Richardson.

[Dam8610]

He just wants Stroud. It’s the only thing he cares about.

Thing is, I think there is a real shot Richardson goes 1. Teams are a lot higher on him than the fans or press are. Fans and press are always slow to the party. Media wants to talk about the good college QB's because those are built in clicks and reads. And fans are just dumb and don't know anything usually.

If the Panthers go Richardson or Levis, and the Texans go Young, that's the ideal scenario at this point. There's so much projection on Richardson. Could he be the next Jalen Hurts, Lamar Jackson, or Cam Newton? Sure. He's far more likely to be the next Reggie McNeal, Brad Smith, Tyrod Taylor or Trace McSorley.

[apballin]

If the Panthers go Richardson or Levis, and the Texans go Young, that's the ideal scenario at this point. There's so much projection on Richardson. Could he be the next Jalen Hurts, Lamar Jackson, or Cam Newton? Sure. He's far more likely to be the next Reggie McNeal, Brad Smith, Tyrod Taylor or Trace McSorley.

Cmon man just like Stroud could be the next Troy Smith, Braxton Miller, or Terell Pryor

[Dam8610]

Cmon man just like Stroud could be the next Troy Smith, Braxton Miller, or Terell Pryor

"Former Ohio State QB" is not a trait that matters on the football field. "Athlete playing the QB position that sucks at accuracy and ball placement" is a trait that matters on the football field.

[apballin]

"Former Ohio State QB" is not a trait that matters on the football field. "Athlete playing the QB position that sucks at accuracy and ball placement" is a trait that matters on the football field.

Everyone didn’t have Harrison Jr and 10 seconds to stand in the pocket and play 7 on 7

If Stroud goes to the Panthers we’ll see how good he really is

[Oldcolt]

I’m thinking Lamar makes sense for both us and the Ravens. He will cost a fortune but so what. He is as close to a sure thing as possible.

[YDFL Commish]

If the Panthers go Richardson or Levis, and the Texans go Young, that's the ideal scenario at this point. There's so much projection on Richardson. Could he be the next Jalen Hurts, Lamar Jackson, or Cam Newton? Sure. He's far more likely to be the next Reggie McNeal, Brad Smith, Tyrod Taylor or Trace McSorley.

A better comp may be Akili Smith.

[Lov2fish]

You're not admitting being wrong about this, despite the fact you clearly are. If you've "watched hours of tape on him", you're either willfully ignorant of his pigeon toe, or don't know how to spot it. It even showed up in his throws at the combine. I don't want a QB that needs a complete mechanical rebuild.



I'm well aware of why the Panthers did what they did, I'm saying the Colts now need to do what they need to do to get #1. No excuses, no bullshit, no Levis or Richardson.

None of them has played a fucking down of football in the NFL, way to speculate on something you know nothing about. I wouldn't expect anything less from you however. Come talk to me at the end of the season and lets see who is wrong. I'll step right up if I am. You on the other hand, yea, like I said, you will blame it on anything other than you didn't have a fucking clue.

[apballin]

A better comp may be Akili Smith.

There is no comp…

The things Richardson did have never been done by a QB before

Dudes a freak, a defenses worst nightmare

[Dam8610]

None of them has played a fucking down of football in the NFL, way to speculate on something you know nothing about. I wouldn't expect anything less from you however. Come talk to me at the end of the season and lets see who is wrong. I'll step right up if I am. You on the other hand, yea, like I said, you will blame it on anything other than you didn't have a fucking clue.

The way a QB's front foot points when he throws a football is an objective data point. Levis's front foot, from a mechanical perspective, points the wrong way when he throws. It is a biomechanical fact. He hasn't played a down in the NFL, but most of the throws he's made in college and at the combine reflects his front foot pointing the wrong way.

[YDFL Commish]

There is no comp…

The things Richardson did have never been done by a QB before

Dudes a freak, a defenses worst nightmare

Sorry, I did not mean in traits. I meant in bust potential.

[JAFF]

If the Panthers go Richardson or Levis, and the Texans go Young, that's the ideal scenario at this point. There's so much projection on Richardson. Could he be the next Jalen Hurts, Lamar Jackson, or Cam Newton? Sure. He's far more likely to be the next Reggie McNeal, Brad Smith, Tyrod Taylor or Trace McSorley.

Did cam newton win a super bowl or have a HOF career? The NFL Qb needs to be a point guard. Spread the ball around and take advantage to a hole in the D, get some yards and get his ass out of bounds

[YDFL Commish]

The way a QB's front foot points when he throws a football is an objective data point. Levis's front foot, from a mechanical perspective, points the wrong way when he throws. It is a biomechanical fact. He hasn't played a down in the NFL, but most of the throws he's made in college and at the combine reflects his front foot pointing the wrong way.


Will you stop focusing on only Levis mechanics? Mechanics can be fixed, look at what was done with Jalen Hurts.

My problem with Levis is that he sounds like he thinks he's already a finished product. If that is the case, then Levis issues can't be fixed.

If the Colts draft Levis and he proves humble enough to be coached tough and improve everything about his game, then I'm on board.

Obviously Stroud and Young are the most finished products right now and I think they will be good in the NFL.

I have expressed my preference in Stroud, because he is the safest pick. But that doesn't make me right though, because I haven't talked to these players and figure out who really gets what it takes to become great.

[Butter]

I’m thinking Lamar makes sense for both us and the Ravens. He will cost a fortune but so what. He is as close to a sure thing as possible.
I don't think there is any realistic contract the Colts will write that the Ravens won't match.

[Chromeburn]

If the Panthers go Richardson or Levis, and the Texans go Young, that's the ideal scenario at this point. There's so much projection on Richardson. Could he be the next Jalen Hurts, Lamar Jackson, or Cam Newton? Sure. He's far more likely to be the next Reggie McNeal, Brad Smith, Tyrod Taylor or Trace McSorley.

If left with Richardson and Levis to pick from who do you go with?

[Dam8610]

If left with Richardson and Levis to pick from who do you go with?

Jalen Carter (or Will Anderson if he's somehow available) and try again next year. I believed Ballard when he said he wasn't going to pick the QB until it was the right one. Levis and Richardson are not the right one.

[Dam8610]

Will you stop focusing on only Levis mechanics? Mechanics can be fixed, look at what was done with Jalen Hurts.

My problem with Levis is that he sounds like he thinks he's already a finished product. If that is the case, then Levis issues can't be fixed.

So he has a pigeon toe and may not be coachable. Is there a QB the Colts have had recently that had those problems? Maybe this guy?

https://i.imgur.com/yXYIKax.jpg

[rm1369]

Jalen Carter (or Will Anderson if he's somehow available) and try again next year. I believed Ballard when he said he wasn't going to pick the QB until it was the right one. Levis and Richardson are not the right one.

I’m not sure they can afford to punt to next year with the fan base. Hard to effectively tank the season as Irsay did and continue to say wait until next year. You could take Anderson but still need to get a QB this year.

[apballin]

Jalen Carter (or Will Anderson if he's somehow available) and try again next year. I believed Ballard when he said he wasn't going to pick the QB until it was the right one. Levis and Richardson are not the right one.

A QB will be drafted this year may not be the guy you want but Richardson is the right guy in my opinion.

[Dam8610]

I’m not sure they can afford to punt to next year with the fan base. Hard to effectively tank the season as Irsay did and continue to say wait until next year. You could take Anderson but still need to get a QB this year.

There are 2 QBs worth drafting this year: CJ Stroud and Bryce Young. You don't get one of those, you're wasting draft capital drafting a QB.

A QB will be drafted this year may not be the guy you want but Richardson is the right guy in my opinion.

I strongly disagree with your opinion.

[George Wonsley]

Assuming Richardson is there at #4 and another team is motivated to roll the dice on the potential the best option may be to trade down, add picks and fill other holes.

[Racehorse]

None of them has played a fucking down of football in the NFL, way to speculate on something you know nothing about. I wouldn't expect anything less from you however. Come talk to me at the end of the season and lets see who is wrong. I'll step right up if I am. You on the other hand, yea, like I said, you will blame it on anything other than you didn't have a fucking clue.

he still thinks Mac Jones is a stud and Lawrence is a bust. You will never get him to admit he was wrong.

[Brylok]

Another month and a half of this...

[Oldcolt]

Dam Wentz' problem weren't in his feet. It was between his ears. Just because two guys plant their foot the same doesn't even come close to saying they are the same quarterback.

[Chromeburn]

Dudes…

https://i.ibb.co/JmN5V7g/C6490718-28-F4-4-B63-97-BE-F3974-A09-D1-B0.jpg (https://ibb.co/vVbZpPR)

[apballin]

Not surprised Reich wants Levis

If the owner gives him his way I’ll be fuckin shocked

[Brylok]

Dudes…

Ha!

[rm1369]

Just shows the lack of consensus on these QBs. Even the experts are significantly split on opinions. I’m not sure how anyone can feel so strongly about any of them.

[ChaosTheory]

This is starting to remind of 2018 QB class when Baker Mayfield seemed to be the #4 QB prospect all pre-draft... until the day before he was drafted #1.

[apballin]

Report came out today saying there not gonna panic and there’s no Burrow/Lawrence in this draft so I don’t know what this could mean going forward

[Dewey 5]

Report came out today saying there not gonna panic and there’s no Burrow/Lawrence in this draft so I don’t know what this could mean going forward

Take Anderson or Carter & get Hooker in the 2nd. Who knows?

[TêteDeFer]

Not surprised Reich wants Levis

If the owner gives him his way I’ll be fuckin shocked

Why, does he love baby Jesus and shit too

[ChaosTheory]

Report came out today saying there not gonna panic and there’s no Burrow/Lawrence in this draft so I don’t know what this could mean going forward

I assume you're talking about the Colts not the Panthers. If so and if true, great. I've been approaching this draft under the impression that QB was non-negotiable for Irsay.

Preference is always to take BPA or trade down, never reach. Oh, the meltdown by fans would be so entertaining.

[Dam8610]

he still thinks Mac Jones is a stud and Lawrence is a bust. You will never get him to admit he was wrong.

Mac Jones has been under a senile Bill Belicheat who has apparently forgotten how to develop QBs (or maybe Mac just isn't willing to cheat) and a defensive coach as an offensive coordinator, it's no surprise his development has stalled given the conditions he's been working with.

Lawrence is a bust until he can make a full field read or an anticipation throw.

Dam Wentz' problem weren't in his feet. It was between his ears. Just because two guys plant their foot the same doesn't even come close to saying they are the same quarterback.

His pigeon toe affected his accuracy, and it is a mechanical flaw he still has that drastically affects his accuracy. If Levis "believes he is a finished product", that will make him Wentz 2.0. Same mechanical flaw, same attitude about it.

Dudes…

https://i.ibb.co/JmN5V7g/C6490718-28-F4-4-B63-97-BE-F3974-A09-D1-B0.jpg (https://ibb.co/vVbZpPR)

I hope this is true. Levis/Richardson at 1 and Young at 2 is the best hope at this point if the Colts won't trade up.

Report came out today saying there not gonna panic and there’s no Burrow/Lawrence in this draft so I don’t know what this could mean going forward

Of course they're going to say that after they lost the bidding war. What do you expect them to say? We're really concerned we lost out on a generational talent but we just didn't want to give up that much in a trade package?

[Chromeburn]

I assume you're talking about the Colts not the Panthers. If so and if true, great. I've been approaching this draft under the impression that QB was non-negotiable for Irsay.

Preference is always to take BPA or trade down, never reach. Oh, the meltdown by fans would be so entertaining.

They will lose their F'ing minds. It's not whether the QB will be good or not, it's draft a young QB or else.

[YDFL Commish]

His pigeon toe affected his accuracy, and it is a mechanical flaw he still has that drastically affects his accuracy. If Levis "believes he is a finished product", that will make him Wentz 2.0. Same mechanical flaw, same attitude about it.





Of course they're going to say that after they lost the bidding war. What do you expect them to say? We're really concerned we lost out on a generational talent but we just didn't want to give up that much in a trade package?

Levis mechanical issues are not just limited to his pigeon toe footwork. He's also at times a heel clicker and JT O' Sullivan also pointed times where he would take a hop step before throwing a pass. Maybe just a poor QB coach, I don't know.

There is not a generational talent in this QB class, and even you know that.

[rm1369]

They will lose their F'ing minds. It's not whether the QB will be good or not, it's draft a young QB or else.

In fairness at some point they have to swing, right? Every year it’s either they aren’t good enough or we can’t afford to get there. The excuses are in some cases actually valid, but constantly saying “maybe next year” is going to alienate the fan base. It already got Reich fired. Ballard doesn’t have much rope left. If he leaves this draft without a QB he will be gone. While you will give him forever as long as he drafts decent positional players, most of the fan base won’t.

[ChaosTheory]

In fairness at some point they have to swing, right? Every year it’s either they aren’t good enough or we can’t afford to get there. The excuses are in some cases actually valid, but constantly saying “maybe next year” is going to alienate the fan base. It already got Reich fired. Ballard doesn’t have much rope left. If he leaves this draft without a QB he will be gone. While you will give him forever as long as he drafts decent positional players, most of the fan base won’t.

That's undoubtedly true. But that goes to Chrome's point. The question then is do you want your GM making decisions based on the ignorant mob? We've seen enough other teams blow their loads on iffy guys.

Hopefully Irsay wouldn't fire Reich simply because the fanbase was clamoring. Hopefully he had football reasons. And hopefully the same would apply to Ballard.

[CletusPyle]

Not surprised Reich wants Levis

If the owner gives him his way I’ll be fuckin shocked

I would not be surprised to see Levis gone by pick #4, the guy is going to be very good!

[Hoopsdoc]

In fairness at some point they have to swing, right? Every year it’s either they aren’t good enough or we can’t afford to get there. The excuses are in some cases actually valid, but constantly saying “maybe next year” is going to alienate the fan base. It already got Reich fired. Ballard doesn’t have much rope left. If he leaves this draft without a QB he will be gone. While you will give him forever as long as he drafts decent positional players, most of the fan base won’t.

They have to start swinging. Quarterbacks are notoriously to scout. Hell, San Fran got their future starter with the last pick of the draft.

You never know for sure until you see them play but you have to take a shot.

[Oldcolt]

They have to start swinging. Quarterbacks are notoriously to scout. Hell, San Fran got their future starter with the last pick of the draft.

You never know for sure until you see them play but you have to take a shot.

I tend to agree with you on this. My question is if Will Anderson is there do you take him and hopefully get your pass rush or do you take a chance on a QB? You need both to have a realistic chance at a title.

[IndyNorm]

Will you stop focusing on only Levis mechanics? Mechanics can be fixed, look at what was done with Jalen Hurts.

My problem with Levis is that he sounds like he thinks he's already a finished product. If that is the case, then Levis issues can't be fixed.

If the Colts draft Levis and he proves humble enough to be coached tough and improve everything about his game, then I'm on board.

Obviously Stroud and Young are the most finished products right now and I think they will be good in the NFL.

I have expressed my preference in Stroud, because he is the safest pick. But that doesn't make me right though, because I haven't talked to these players and figure out who really gets what it takes to become great.

The thing you have to realize about Dam (and most of us do) is that whatever he sees or thinks he sees on this film that he watches is in his mind exactly how it's going to play out in the NFL. No one will ever improve or pan out if he thinks they're going to be a bust, and if they do turn out to be a good player it's b/c of the talent around them or that they somehow get lucky every week for an entire season(s). On the other hand if any player who he thinks is going to be good but ends up being a bust then it's entirely the player's team and coaches' fault.

[rm1369]

I tend to agree with you on this. My question is if Will Anderson is there do you take him and hopefully get your pass rush or do you take a chance on a QB? You need both to have a realistic chance at a title.

I think you can sell the fan base on Hooker, so you can go Anderson at 4 or trade back. What Ballard can’t do is continue to punt at QB until a great low risk option drops in his hands.

[Dam8610]

Levis mechanical issues are not just limited to his pigeon toe footwork. He's also at times a heel clicker and JT O' Sullivan also pointed times where he would take a hop step before throwing a pass. Maybe just a poor QB coach, I don't know.

There is not a generational talent in this QB class, and even you know that.

Levis is a mechanical mess. If he's also uncoachable, he's a bust waiting to happen.

As for your other statement, I don't trust the general consensus on QB evaluations. I think Stroud and possibly Young have the potential to be top 5 QBs in the NFL.

I tend to agree with you on this. My question is if Will Anderson is there do you take him and hopefully get your pass rush or do you take a chance on a QB? You need both to have a realistic chance at a title.

If the Colts are at 4 with Stroud, Young, and another player off the board, but Will Anderson on the board, I think it makes sense to draft him. He's got an incredibly high floor and ceiling.

The thing you have to realize about Dam (and most of us do) is that whatever he sees or thinks he sees on this film that he watches is exactly how it's going to play out in the NFL. No one will ever improve or pan out if he thinks they're going to be a bust, and if they do turn out to be a good player it's b/c of the talent around them or that they somehow get lucky every week for an entire season(s). On the other hand if any player who he thinks is going to be good but ends up being a bust then it's entirely the player's team and coaches' fault.

Past performance is the best indicator of future results. That's not to say a player can't improve, but why would you bake improvement into their evaluation? You can't guarantee it. Learning a new skillset at a higher level of competition is an incredibly difficult thing to do. Projection is done to determine a player's ceiling. There's a floor, too. Anthony Richardson as is fails out of the league in 2 years. Will Levis as is fails out of the league in 2 years. Bryce Young as is is likely a top 25 starter in the NFL. CJ Stroud as is is likely a top 20 starter in the NFL.

[IndyNorm]

Take Anderson or Carter & get Hooker in the 2nd. Who knows?

Has Carter's legal troubles gone away again? I thought he was in deep shit.

[rm1369]

That's undoubtedly true. But that goes to Chrome's point. The question then is do you want your GM making decisions based on the ignorant mob? We've seen enough other teams blow their loads on iffy guys.

Hopefully Irsay wouldn't fire Reich simply because the fanbase was clamoring. Hopefully he had football reasons. And hopefully the same would apply to Ballard.

The ignorant mob wouldn’t be a factor if Ballard had results. He simply doesn’t. No I don’t want his decisions to be made based on fan pressure, that doesn’t change the fact I believe it’s where we are. I don’t think he should have moved to 1 and I don’t think he has to pick a QB at 4. But if he leaves the 2nd without a QB I think the writing is on the wall for him. He’d be better off taking one and missing than going down without ever taking a swing.

And I think fan sentiment played a huge role in Irsay’s decision on Reich. I didn’t say it was the only one though. Same will apply to Ballard. His on field results are enough to justify the decision (I’m not calling for it), but fan sentiment will likely be the deciding factor for Irsay.

[YDFL Commish]

Levis is a mechanical mess. If he's also uncoachable, he's a bust waiting to happen.

As for your other statement, I don't trust the general consensus on QB evaluations. I think Stroud and possibly Young have the potential to be top 5 QBs in the NFL.



If the Colts are at 4 with Stroud, Young, and another player off the board, but Will Anderson on the board, I think it makes sense to draft him. He's got an incredibly high floor and ceiling.



Past performance is the best indicator of future results. That's not to say a player can't improve, but why would you bake improvement into their evaluation? You can't guarantee it. Learning a new skillset at a higher level of competition is an incredibly difficult thing to do. Projection is done to determine a player's ceiling. There's a floor, too. Anthony Richardson as is fails out of the league in 2 years. Will Levis as is fails out of the league in 2 years. Bryce Young as is is likely a top 25 starter in the NFL. CJ Stroud as is is likely a top 20 starter in the NFL.

WTF are Young and Stroud top 5 QB's in the NFL or top 20 to 25 QB's. You have really contradicted yourself here.

[ChaosTheory]

WTF are Young and Stroud top 5 QB's in the NFL or top 20 to 25 QB's. You have really contradicted yourself here.

He's saying with no improvement, those guys rank in the 20's. But with natural improvement he expects them to be top QB's in the league.

[apballin]

I think you can sell the fan base on Hooker, so you can go Anderson at 4 or trade back. What Ballard can’t do is continue to punt at QB until a great low risk option drops in his hands.

I can’t get on board with a 26 year old rookie

[rm1369]

I can’t get on board with a 26 year old rookie

At RB I’d agree. At QB I see no issue.

[Hoopsdoc]

At RB I’d agree. At QB I see no issue.

If he’s the right guy, there IS no issue.

[CletusPyle]

I know it's still early and a lot can change, and I also know you can't believe everything people say, but I am reading a lot of comments that make me believe the Texans are leaning toward drafting Levis!

[Butter]

If he’s the right guy, there IS no issue.

Agreed, the age thing for a QB is overrated and dumb, especially if we are talking about a later pick.

[Dam8610]

WTF are Young and Stroud top 5 QB's in the NFL or top 20 to 25 QB's. You have really contradicted yourself here.

Potential being the key distinguishing word. Throw them in an offense, with 0 improvement, they're bottom third starters. With improvement, they can become top 5.

I can’t get on board with a 26 year old rookie

I can't get on board with a 22 year old rookie that can't hit the broad side of a barn, but is really fast and strong.

[apballin]

Potential being the key distinguishing word. Throw them in an offense, with 0 improvement, they're bottom third starters. With improvement, they can become top 5.



I can't get on board with a 22 year old rookie that can't hit the broad side of a barn, but is really fast and strong.

No matter who your preference is, we have to take a QB with the first pick. I’ll take Levi’s over a 26 year old coming off an ACL

[Racehorse]

I tend to agree with you on this. My question is if Will Anderson is there do you take him and hopefully get your pass rush or do you take a chance on a QB? You need both to have a realistic chance at a title.

Draft Anderson and hope for a decent starter to be available in round 2

[Dam8610]

No matter who your preference is, we have to take a QB with the first pick. I’ll take Levi’s over a 26 year old coming off an ACL

Why? What dictates that the Colts are required to draft a QB? I know Irsay said they're going to draft and develop, but he's also a reasonable owner who listens to his talent evaluation staff. If they're saying the QB(s) left are very likely to bust and very unlikely to produce a starting NFL QB but the best player available is likely to be an elite defender for several years, I think he signs off on that.

Draft Anderson and hope for a decent starter to be available in round 2

There's no decent starter available in Round 2. Hendon Hooker is a 26 year old who can't hit the broad side of a barn, isn't as strong and fast, and is coming off an ACL tear.

[njcoltfan]

Hooker signed with Virginia Tech after winning two state titles and throwing for over 6,000 yards and 55 touchdowns at Dudley High School in North Carolina. As a redshirt freshman, he played in six games as a reserve (4-57-14.3, one TD rushing). Hokies coaches started Hooker eight times in 2019 (the team won his first six starts) and he set a school record with 124 completions without an interception (99-162-61.1%, 1,555 yards, 13 TDs, two INTs passing; 123-356-2.9, five TDs rushing). He started seven of eight games in 2020 (98-150-65.3%, 1,339 yards, nine TDs, five INTs passing; 120-620-5.2, nine TDs rushing) but decided he needed a change in scenery. Hooker took over the Tennessee job early in the 2021 season (11 starts in 13 games) and ended up ranking third in the FBS in pass efficiency (181.4) and fourth with 9.72 yards per attempt (206-303-68%, 2,945 yards, 31 TDs, three INTs passing; 166-616-3.7, five TDs rushing). He threw 140 passes without an interception during the season. Hooker was an early Heisman Trophy favorite in 2022, eventually winning SEC Offensive Player of the Year and being named a third-team Associated Press All-American. After throwing for 3,135 yards (229-329-69.6%) and 27 scores (against just two interceptions) and rushing for 430 yards (104 carries, 4.1 per) and five touchdowns in 11 starts, however, he suffered a torn left ACL that ended his season. Hooker led the nation's top offense (in yards per game and points scored) with an FBS-best 9.53 yards per pass attempt. He also ranked second in pass efficiency (175.5) and seventh in completion percentage in 2022 and set Tennessee records by throwing 261 passes without an interception and recording a touchdown pass in 20 straight games. -- by Chad Reuter

Hooker seems to have had a pretty good college career, and he definitely can hit the inside of a barn

[Dam8610]

Hooker signed with Virginia Tech after winning two state titles and throwing for over 6,000 yards and 55 touchdowns at Dudley High School in North Carolina. As a redshirt freshman, he played in six games as a reserve (4-57-14.3, one TD rushing). Hokies coaches started Hooker eight times in 2019 (the team won his first six starts) and he set a school record with 124 completions without an interception (99-162-61.1%, 1,555 yards, 13 TDs, two INTs passing; 123-356-2.9, five TDs rushing). He started seven of eight games in 2020 (98-150-65.3%, 1,339 yards, nine TDs, five INTs passing; 120-620-5.2, nine TDs rushing) but decided he needed a change in scenery. Hooker took over the Tennessee job early in the 2021 season (11 starts in 13 games) and ended up ranking third in the FBS in pass efficiency (181.4) and fourth with 9.72 yards per attempt (206-303-68%, 2,945 yards, 31 TDs, three INTs passing; 166-616-3.7, five TDs rushing). He threw 140 passes without an interception during the season. Hooker was an early Heisman Trophy favorite in 2022, eventually winning SEC Offensive Player of the Year and being named a third-team Associated Press All-American. After throwing for 3,135 yards (229-329-69.6%) and 27 scores (against just two interceptions) and rushing for 430 yards (104 carries, 4.1 per) and five touchdowns in 11 starts, however, he suffered a torn left ACL that ended his season. Hooker led the nation's top offense (in yards per game and points scored) with an FBS-best 9.53 yards per pass attempt. He also ranked second in pass efficiency (175.5) and seventh in completion percentage in 2022 and set Tennessee records by throwing 261 passes without an interception and recording a touchdown pass in 20 straight games. -- by Chad Reuter

Hooker seems to have had a pretty good college career, and he definitely can hit the inside of a barn

Accuracy and ball placement are lacking with Hooker.

[njcoltfan]

Hooker signed with Virginia Tech after winning two state titles and throwing for over 6,000 yards and 55 touchdowns at Dudley High School in North Carolina. As a redshirt freshman, he played in six games as a reserve (4-57-14.3, one TD rushing). Hokies coaches started Hooker eight times in 2019 (the team won his first six starts) and he set a school record with 124 completions without an interception (99-162-61.1%, 1,555 yards, 13 TDs, two INTs passing; 123-356-2.9, five TDs rushing). He started seven of eight games in 2020 (98-150-65.3%, 1,339 yards, nine TDs, five INTs passing; 120-620-5.2, nine TDs rushing) but decided he needed a change in scenery. Hooker took over the Tennessee job early in the 2021 season (11 starts in 13 games) and ended up ranking third in the FBS in pass efficiency (181.4) and fourth with 9.72 yards per attempt (206-303-68%, 2,945 yards, 31 TDs, three INTs passing; 166-616-3.7, five TDs rushing). He threw 140 passes without an interception during the season. Hooker was an early Heisman Trophy favorite in 2022, eventually winning SEC Offensive Player of the Year and being named a third-team Associated Press All-American. After throwing for 3,135 yards (229-329-69.6%) and 27 scores (against just two interceptions) and rushing for 430 yards (104 carries, 4.1 per) and five touchdowns in 11 starts, however, he suffered a torn left ACL that ended his season. Hooker led the nation's top offense (in yards per game and points scored) with an FBS-best 9.53 yards per pass attempt. He also ranked second in pass efficiency (175.5) and seventh in completion percentage in 2022 and set Tennessee records by throwing 261 passes without an interception and recording a touchdown pass in 20 straight games. -- by Chad Reuter

Hooker seems to have had a pretty good college career, and he definitely can hit the inside of a barn

Those seem like pretty good statistics to me !! I would have no problem if Ballard drafted him.

[Hoopsdoc]

Accuracy and ball placement are lacking with Hooker.

What the heck are you talking about? Hooker completed almost 70 percent of his passes last year. That was better than Stroud or Young.

And don’t give me that crap about the offense he played in. They said the same thing about Mahomes. If the guy has talent, that’s not a dealbreaker by any stretch.

[IndyNorm]

Hooker signed with Virginia Tech after winning two state titles and throwing for over 6,000 yards and 55 touchdowns at Dudley High School in North Carolina. As a redshirt freshman, he played in six games as a reserve (4-57-14.3, one TD rushing). Hokies coaches started Hooker eight times in 2019 (the team won his first six starts) and he set a school record with 124 completions without an interception (99-162-61.1%, 1,555 yards, 13 TDs, two INTs passing; 123-356-2.9, five TDs rushing). He started seven of eight games in 2020 (98-150-65.3%, 1,339 yards, nine TDs, five INTs passing; 120-620-5.2, nine TDs rushing) but decided he needed a change in scenery. Hooker took over the Tennessee job early in the 2021 season (11 starts in 13 games) and ended up ranking third in the FBS in pass efficiency (181.4) and fourth with 9.72 yards per attempt (206-303-68%, 2,945 yards, 31 TDs, three INTs passing; 166-616-3.7, five TDs rushing). He threw 140 passes without an interception during the season. Hooker was an early Heisman Trophy favorite in 2022, eventually winning SEC Offensive Player of the Year and being named a third-team Associated Press All-American. After throwing for 3,135 yards (229-329-69.6%) and 27 scores (against just two interceptions) and rushing for 430 yards (104 carries, 4.1 per) and five touchdowns in 11 starts, however, he suffered a torn left ACL that ended his season. Hooker led the nation's top offense (in yards per game and points scored) with an FBS-best 9.53 yards per pass attempt. He also ranked second in pass efficiency (175.5) and seventh in completion percentage in 2022 and set Tennessee records by throwing 261 passes without an interception and recording a touchdown pass in 20 straight games. -- by Chad Reuter

Hooker seems to have had a pretty good college career, and he definitely can hit the inside of a barn

Now, now. Let's not bring anything objective like statistics into the conversation. We all know what Dam sees on this film he watches is the absolute truth. Obviously Hooker was just super lucky 70% of the time he threw the ball.

[njcoltfan]

Now, now. Let's not bring anything objective like statistics into the conversation. We all know what Dam sees on this film he watches is the absolute truth. Obviously Hooker was just super lucky 70% of the time he threw the ball.
And all those passes he threw without the other team catching one, just unbelievably lucky.

[ChoppedWood]

And all those passes he threw without the other team catching one, just unbelievably lucky.

It's crazy how everyone is just ignoring his mechanics as well, that camel toe is never going to work in the NFL.

[Dam8610]

Now, now. Let's not bring anything objective like statistics into the conversation. We all know what Dam sees on this film he watches is the absolute truth. Obviously Hooker was just super lucky 70% of the time he threw the ball.

How about a QB who completed 71% of his passes for 5111 yards 45 TD and only 9 INT? He'd be an NFL stud, right? Then why did he only ever play in 4 NFL games and complete 2/4 passes for 20 yards? Could it be possible that college stats can be deceiving? As for Hooker, his numbers aren't all luck, there are play designs for high percentage passes. If you don't care about having a predictable offense with no deep passing game, and very little potential of improvement from that, Hooker is fine I suppose. His ball placement and accuracy on NFL caliber throws leaves a lot to be desired.

And all those passes he threw without the other team catching one, just unbelievably lucky.

You'd have loved Graham Harrell as a prospect.

[Hoopsdoc]

How about a QB who completed 71% of his passes for 5111 yards 45 TD and only 9 INT? He'd be an NFL stud, right? Then why did he only ever play in 4 NFL games and complete 2/4 passes for 20 yards? Could it be possible that college stats can be deceiving? As for Hooker, his numbers aren't all luck, there are play designs for high percentage passes. If you don't care about having a predictable offense with no deep passing game, and very little potential of improvement from that, Hooker is fine I suppose. His ball placement and accuracy on NFL caliber throws leaves a lot to be desired.



You'd have loved Graham Harrell as a prospect.

Lol. So everyone but you is deceived by Hookers college stats.

Ok.

And are you really gonna go with the coaches at Tennessee just designed better plays for Hooker than Alabama did for Young or Ohio State did for Stroud?

Look, I don’t know whether Hooker will be any good or not and neither do you.

[Dam8610]

Lol. So everyone but you is deceived by Hookers college stats.

Ok.

And are you really gonna go with the coaches at Tennessee just designed better plays for Hooker than Alabama did for Young or Ohio State did for Stroud?

Look, I don’t know whether Hooker will be any good or not and neither do you.

If you want to pretend that college QBs with inflated stats from passing offenses designed to generate those stats have never existed, feel free. I know who I'd rather have the future of a franchise riding on, and it's not Hendon Hooker.

[Lov2fish]

If you want to pretend that college QBs with inflated stats from passing offenses designed to generate those stats have never existed, feel free. I know who I'd rather have the future of a franchise riding on, and it's not Hendon Hooker.

Man, I hope there is not some kind of mechanism in your home that measures narcissism, it would peg in the red.

[Dam8610]

Man, I hope there is not some kind of mechanism in your home that measures narcissism, it would peg in the red.

It's narcissistic to believe that a 25 year old college QB with good stats and bad tape doesn't have as good of a chance to succeed as a 22 year old college QB with good stats and good tape? Interesting.

[Chromeburn]

I know it's still early and a lot can change, and I also know you can't believe everything people say, but I am reading a lot of comments that make me believe the Texans are leaning toward drafting Levis!

Wow, where are you seeing that? This QB class is all over the place.

[ChaosTheory]

Lol. So everyone but you is deceived by Hookers college stats.

Ok.

And are you really gonna go with the coaches at Tennessee just designed better plays for Hooker than Alabama did for Young or Ohio State did for Stroud?

Look, I don’t know whether Hooker will be any good or not and neither do you.

To be fair, Dam didn't bring Hooker's high school and college stats into the conversation, Jersey did.

I was at Texas Tech the same years Graham Harrell was and I've seen a ton of Mike Leach football. All of those Air Raid QBs had great numbers and none of them made it in the NFL.

Vince Young threw for 65% his senior year and was a career 57% in the NFL. Everyone could see he couldn't throw.

[Dam8610]

To be fair, Dam didn't bring Hooker's high school and college stats into the conversation, Jersey did.

I was at Texas Tech the same years Graham Harrell was and I've seen a ton of Mike Leach football. All of those Air Raid QBs had great numbers and none of them made it in the NFL.

Vince Young threw for 65% his senior year and was a career 57% in the NFL. Everyone could see he couldn't throw.

Don't bring logic into the conversation. College stats are unimpeachable determining factors of NFL success. :rolleyes:

[IndyNorm]

And all those passes he threw without the other team catching one, just unbelievably lucky.

Nothing shy of an honest to god miracle. Next to Trevor Lawrence, Hooker must be the luckiest person on the planet.

[IndyNorm]

Man, I hope there is not some kind of mechanism in your home that measures narcissism, it would peg in the red.

No doubt. I'd hate to see how he reacts to something that actually matters not going his way since he can't even admit when he's wrong about meaningless armchair GMing.

[Lov2fish]

It's narcissistic to believe that a 25 year old college QB with good stats and bad tape doesn't have as good of a chance to succeed as a 22 year old college QB with good stats and good tape? Interesting.

No, you are the narcissist. Everything revolves around you being right. God forbid you're wrong, psst, you are, a lot!

[Hoopsdoc]

To be fair, Dam didn't bring Hooker's high school and college stats into the conversation, Jersey did.

I was at Texas Tech the same years Graham Harrell was and I've seen a ton of Mike Leach football. All of those Air Raid QBs had great numbers and none of them made it in the NFL.

Vince Young threw for 65% his senior year and was a career 57% in the NFL. Everyone could see he couldn't throw.

I don’t disagree but using that as proof that he can’t make it in the NFL and that he has accuracy issues is just not accurate. It’s why I brought up Mahomes, who played in a similar offense and who is the best in the league now.

The nfl is moving more and more toward that style of offense. It stands to reason that more and more of these guys will succeed in the league going forward.

At the end of the day, none of us know. Not even Dam. Saying drafting Hooker is a wasted pick is silly, especially coming from someone who has been wrong as often as Dam.

[apballin]

Well your gonna love this Dam, JMV just said he’s hearing they really like Levi’s

[IndyNorm]

Well your gonna love this Dam, JMV just said he’s hearing they really like Levi’s

Oh no! We're super fucked now!! I mean our previous coaching staff couldn't fix Wentz's issues so there's no way the new coaching staff will be able to fix Levis' :mad:

[YDFL Commish]

I am not going to sit here and say Levis can't be fixed. For evidence, we have Brett Favre, Josh Allen and Jalen Hurts.

Shit, I don't care which one of these guys they draft as long as they get it right and don't motrgage the farm to do it.

I just watched some really good tape on Levis vs Ole Miss. He was playing with multiple injuries and still taking hits to deliver throws and running the ball.

I've watched Hooker and Young and Stroud. One thing that definitely stood out to me is that Stroud and Young rarely faced adversity or had to make off platform throws.

I've seen good stuff on all of these QB's. They are all talented. But which one will run the fucking team!

[njcoltfan]

To be fair, Dam didn't bring Hooker's high school and college stats into the conversation, Jersey did.

I was at Texas Tech the same years Graham Harrell was and I've seen a ton of Mike Leach football. All of those Air Raid QBs had great numbers and none of them made it in the NFL.

Vince Young threw for 65% his senior year and was a career 57% in the NFL. Everyone could see he couldn't throw.
I only brought up Hooker because I was tired of reading that Stroud was the ONLY one that had a good college career! IMHO Hooker had a real good college too, hell there were six QB's drafted before Brady and one was Giovanni Carmazzi, so even the experts, the ones that get paid big bucks to get it right, don't! Dam might be right, hell I don't, it's his opinion and you know what they say about opinions...................................

[Dam8610]

No doubt. I'd hate to see how he reacts to something that actually matters not going his way since he can't even admit when he's wrong about meaningless armchair GMing.

What exactly would I have to "admit I'm wrong about" regarding which QBs from the 2023 draft will be successful?

No, you are the narcissist. Everything revolves around you being right. God forbid you're wrong, psst, you are, a lot!

Psst, anyone who has opinions on these things is wrong a lot. Elite GMs are right about 50% of the time. I'm not going to argue that I'm wrong, though, that's counterproductive. I wouldn't expect anyone to do that. The whole point of a message board is the discussion. That's what makes it interesting. Everyone sitting around agreeing would be pretty boring.

I don’t disagree but using that as proof that he can’t make it in the NFL and that he has accuracy issues is just not accurate. It’s why I brought up Mahomes, who played in a similar offense and who is the best in the league now.

The nfl is moving more and more toward that style of offense. It stands to reason that more and more of these guys will succeed in the league going forward.

At the end of the day, none of us know. Not even Dam. Saying drafting Hooker is a wasted pick is silly, especially coming from someone who has been wrong as often as Dam.

Why is it silly? I believe that. Of course I could be wrong, anyone can be. Pretty much everyone was wrong about Brock Purdy. I wish I'd said more about him, because he always stood out to me when watching Breece Hall, one of the many reasons I go with the consensus less and less as time goes on. But Brock Purdy is the exception. For every one of those there are 20 of Bailey Zappe, Anthony Gordon, Graham Harrell et al.

And when it comes to Air Raid QBs, Mahomes is 1000% the exception. Air Raid QBs outside of him have done nothing in the NFL.

[Dam8610]

I only brought up Hooker because I was tired of reading that Stroud was the ONLY one that had a good college career! IMHO Hooker had a real good college too, hell there were six QB's drafted before Brady and one was Giovanni Carmazzi, so even the experts, the ones that get paid big bucks to get it right, don't! Dam might be right, hell I don't, it's his opinion and you know what they say about opinions...................................

Who said Stroud was the only one who had a good college career? Certainly not me. Bryce Young's college career was better than Stroud's by a lot.

[njcoltfan]

Who said Stroud was the only one who had a good college career? Certainly not me. Bryce Young's college career was better than Stroud's by a lot.

sorry, I thought you did, my apologies.

[Dam8610]

sorry, I thought you did, my apologies.

If you want what Stroud is the only one of in this class in my opinion, it's Day 1 Pro ready starting QB who has normal or better measureables for a QB.

[IndyNorm]

What exactly would I have to "admit I'm wrong about" regarding which QBs from the 2023 draft will be successful?


I was referring to current players in the NFL that you don't admit you were wrong about. Like Trevor Lawrence. You keep claiming he's a bust, which is absolutely incorrect, and you're the only person on the planet who believes that.

Off the top of my head here are some other ridiculous gems you've shared recently:

- Kyler Murray and Daniel Jones are better QBs than Jalen Hurts and will have better years than him in '23 (still waiting to hear back from you on the bet I proposed BTW).
- Zach Wilson isn't a bust. The Jets just screwed him over.
- Belicheat has ruined Mac Jones HOF career.
- Hendon Hooker and Will Levis can't hit the broad side of a barn.
- Reich couldn't fix Wentz so there's no way the new coaching staff will be able to improve Levis' mechanics.

I could go on, but I think you get the point.

[JAFF]

I could go on, but I think you get the point.

Your time is better spent doing ANYTHING else, including a colonoscopy.

[CletusPyle]

Wow, where are you seeing that? This QB class is all over the place.

Just do a Goggle search of Will Levis Texans draft and you will find a number of articles only a few days old talking about how well he would fit there, how well he did in his recent interview with them, etc. Could all be a bluff, most of the comments were before the Panthers/Bears trade?

[Dam8610]

I was referring to current players in the NFL that you don't admit you were wrong about. Like Trevor Lawrence. You keep claiming he's a bust, which is absolutely incorrect, and you're the only person on the planet who believes that.

Off the top of my head here are some other ridiculous gems you've shared recently:

- Kyler Murray and Daniel Jones are better QBs than Jalen Hurts and will have better years than him in '23 (still waiting to hear back from you on the bet I proposed BTW).
- Zach Wilson isn't a bust. The Jets just screwed him over.
- Belicheat has ruined Mac Jones HOF career.
- Hendon Hooker and Will Levis can't hit the broad side of a barn.
- Reich couldn't fix Wentz so there's no way the new coaching staff will be able to improve Levis' mechanics.

I could go on, but I think you get the point.

There's a lot of conflation going on there.

Still saying Lawrence is a bust though. His athleticism will only carry him so far for so long, and it won't be any further than the Divisional Round of the playoffs if the AFC South stays as weak as it was last year.

[Ironshaft]

One nice thing about the start of free agency is that two teams right behind us have filled QB needs.

SEA re-signed Geno Smith and LVR signed Jimmy G.

That means that ARI would have to be comfortable trading down to around #8 for a QB needing team to jump to the #3 slot.

We should have our pick between the 3rd or 4th QB of the draft.

Here is hoping that CAR really did jump up to #1 to pick Will Levis!

[IndyNorm]

One nice thing about the start of free agency is that two teams right behind us have filled QB needs.

SEA re-signed Geno Smith and LVR signed Jimmy G.

That means that ARI would have to be comfortable trading down to around #8 for a QB needing team to jump to the #3 slot.

We should have our pick between the 3rd or 4th QB of the draft.

Here is hoping that CAR really did jump up to #1 to pick Will Levis!

I wouldn't count SEA out from drafting a QB. Could totally see them looking to get AR, where he can develop behind Smith for a year or 2.