Post-Combine, Pre-Pro Day QB Preference

[ChaosTheory]

Opinions are scattered in multiple threads, so I wanted to see what the consensus of this board is (if we have one) after the combine. Interested to see if it's changed much since pre-combine and I'd be interested to see if it changes after pro days.

Personally, I lean toward Stroud. Looks like the best passer of the group, size is good, and nothing from the combine took away from his high points on film. May not be a burner (I've read 4.7's) but he's plenty athletic enough for the type of QB he is. He's more the style of QB I want for us long term.

Young scares me due to size. Levis scares me due to Wentz PTSD. Richardson is the hyped guy right now, understandably. But his rawness scares me. Best case scenario seems to be a style of QB I don't like for us long term. We've seen short term success, but not really long term from that style.

[rm1369]

Stroud is clear number one for me - accurate passer with all the physical requirements. I’m not sold enough to advocate 3 number ones to go get him though.

After that it gets jumbled. I’d probably go: Richardson, Levis, Young. But it is really a crap shoot. ARs potential makes him an acceptable gamble to me, knowing his high bust potential. I could easily flip flop Levi’s and AR though. Young is last only based off the physical. The worst case scenario for me would be to draft Young and he be a good to really good QB but then be hurt all the time. That would hold the franchise hostage. You’d likely never win anything meaningful but it would be hard to move on. Yes, that is possible with anyone including AR as a running QB. But Young’s size is just scary to me. AR and Levis have a higher bust potential than Young, but would be easier to move on from 2-3 years from now if they do bust.

[Spike]

I would go with Stroud.

Same concerns for Young as everyone else, just too damn small.

Levis, eh, who knows.

AR is tempting, but accuracy issues scare me a bit.

One thing for certain is we will end up with one of these guys.

My order of preference is:

1. Stroud
2. AR
3. Young
4. Levis

[Oldcolt]

I now am on board with AR as my first choice. The thing that persuaded me is that this kid has only one year of college football. Lucks percentage completion his first year at Stanford was 56.3. This kid is no Luck but he didn't even have a quarterback coach at Florida. He has had so little coaching that if after the Colts do their due diligence (you know they will be thorough) and there are no red flags go for it. The offense Phili ran last year is totally tailored for a player like AR.

1 AR
2 Stroud
3 Young
4. Levis

[Brylok]

No "none of the above" option?

[Ironshaft]

My order of preference is:

1. Stroud
2. AR
3. Young
4. Levis
100% agree.

[apballin]

I now am on board with AR as my first choice. The thing that persuaded me is that this kid has only one year of college football. Lucks percentage completion his first year at Stanford was 56.3. This kid is no Luck but he didn't even have a quarterback coach at Florida. He has had so little coaching that if after the Colts do their due diligence (you know they will be thorough) and there are no red flags go for it. The offense Phili ran last year is totally tailored for a player like AR.

1 AR
2 Stroud
3 Young
4. Levis

Same order, but I’d go Richardson for the same reason. He’s a bigger faster Hurts and that would give opposing defenses nightmares

[Dam8610]

Stroud is the clear cut #1 above everyone else. He's worth trading for the #1 pick to get. He's not with 3 1s, but 3 1s would be a massive overpay historically speaking to move from 4 to 1. I'd be willing to do a Manning/Rivers type trade if that's what it took to get to 1, that being this year's 1 and 3 and next year's 1 and 5, a package which is well short of the nonsense being talked about in the media. That said, my ideal trade would be the 4th pick, Jonathan Taylor, and Shaquille Leonard for the first pick. Re-sign Bobby Okereke, save DeForest Buckner for Stroud's rookie contract run, and, most importantly, preserve all of that draft capital for future use. That trade combined with a Day 1 and Day 2 of CJ Stroud, Calijah Kancey, and someone like Steve Avila would have me excited for the 2023 season to start.

[rcubed]

I would go with Stroud.

Same concerns for Young as everyone else, just too damn small.

Levis, eh, who knows.

AR is tempting, but accuracy issues scare me a bit.

One thing for certain is we will end up with one of these guys.

My order of preference is:

1. Stroud
2. AR
3. Young
4. Levis


Same order


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[ChaosTheory]

Interesting so far. For being the consensus #1 in the mainstream, this board has been consistently cautious about Young.

Lov2fish has been on the Levis train, but it looks like everyone else has bailed. A month or two ago, he seemed about as popular as Richardson currently is.

He's not with 3 1s, but 3 1s would be a massive overpay historically speaking to move from 4 to 1. I'd be willing to do a Manning/Rivers type trade if that's what it took to get to 1, that being this year's 1 and 3 and next year's 1 and 5, a package which is well short of the nonsense being talked about in the media.

I can't decide where the leverage is with this whole situation. There are so many variables it'll make you dizzy. The market is the market, so it's going to be expensive.

The question I have is how by the balls does CHI still have IND if, hypothetically, HOU wins the bidding war for #1? Colts still need a QB and SEA is right behind them. Is SEA willing to start a separate bidding war for #2? They do have multiple 1st's and 2nd's this year if they wanted to.

Couldn't CHI realistically trade #1 to HOU for a big haul and then trade #2 to either IND or SEA for another lesser, but still big, haul and STILL end up with one of the two best players in the draft (Carter/Anderson)?

[Dam8610]

Interesting so far. For being the consensus #1 in the mainstream, this board has been consistently cautious about Young.

Lov2fish has been on the Levis train, but it looks like everyone else has bailed. A month or two ago, he seemed about as popular as Richardson currently is.



I can't decide where the leverage is with this whole situation. There are so many variables it'll make you dizzy. The market is the market, so it's going to be expensive.

The question I have is how by the balls does CHI still have IND if, hypothetically, HOU wins the bidding war for #1? Colts still need a QB and SEA is right behind them. Is SEA willing to start a separate bidding war for #2? They do have multiple 1st's and 2nd's this year if they wanted to.

Couldn't CHI realistically trade #1 to HOU for a big haul and then trade #2 to either IND or SEA for another lesser, but still big, haul and STILL end up with one of the two best players in the draft (Carter/Anderson)?

IMO the answer is the leverage is about even. I think this Carter thing blows over and he will still be a top 4 pick. That means 4 is way more valuable than 5. Like I said, if it must be done, a Manning/Rivers type trade is acceptable, but not much, if any, more than that. Obviously, though, I'd prefer players be used in lieu of draft capital, especially because Chicago is the most ideally set up team to take players from the Colts given their HC's familiarity with Colts players and their GM's familiarity with the Colts front office.

[ChaosTheory]

IMO the answer is the leverage is about even. I think this Carter thing blows over and he will still be a top 4 pick. That means 4 is way more valuable than 5. Like I said, if it must be done, a Manning/Rivers type trade is acceptable, but not much, if any, more than that. Obviously, though, I'd prefer players be used in lieu of draft capital, especially because Chicago is the most ideally set up team to take players from the Colts given their HC's familiarity with Colts players and their GM's familiarity with the Colts front office.

I agree about Carter. But IND is still taking a QB at #4 even if they don't work out a trade, don't you think? Which opens up SEA as another possibility for CHI to trade with and still get Carter/Anderson.

And ultimately all I'm saying with all of that is... An expensive trade up looks like it could get even more expensive when you consider those downstream factors.

[Dam8610]

I agree about Carter. But IND is still taking a QB at #4 even if they don't work out a trade, don't you think? Which opens up SEA as another possibility for CHI to trade with and still get Carter/Anderson.

And ultimately all I'm saying with all of that is... An expensive trade up looks like it could get even more expensive when you consider those downstream factors.

If Will Levis and/or Anthony Richardson is all that's left, I'd take Jalen Carter and wait for next year. But in all seriousness I think Ballard trades up to 1 and ends all this speculation.

[Puck]

I have no idea why anyone wants us to trade. We are going to struggle with a new QB next year and have a very very high draft pick once again. Possibly a number 1 or 2 pick bad.

That is not worth giving away for any of these guys

So stay at 4 take Richardson or wait till 35 and take Hooker. Still on the Hooker bandwagon. Start Sam until Hooker is completely ready then throw him in there

[apballin]

I have no idea why anyone wants us to trade. We are going to struggle with a new QB next year and have a very very high draft pick once again. Possibly a number 1 or 2 pick bad.

That is not worth giving away for any of these guys

So stay at 4 take Richardson or wait till 35 and take Hooker. Still on the Hooker bandwagon. Start Sam until Hooker is completely ready then throw him in there

Fuck you, we’re winning the south next year!!!

[JAFF]

I have no idea why anyone wants us to trade. We are going to struggle with a new QB next year and have a very very high draft pick once again. Possibly a number 1 or 2 pick bad.

That is not worth giving away for any of these guys

So stay at 4 take Richardson or wait till 35 and take Hooker. Still on the Hooker bandwagon. Start Sam until Hooker is completely ready then throw him in there

Stop making sense.

[Mr. Session]

I'm still with Puck and I still say hold tight and if the guy isn't there, pick one of these defensive guys and just dig in.

I get the sense of urgency to get it right is pretty high this year, and that perspective might not work for Ballard & Irsay.

[ChaosTheory]

I have no idea why anyone wants us to trade. We are going to struggle with a new QB next year and have a very very high draft pick once again. Possibly a number 1 or 2 pick bad.

That is not worth giving away for any of these guys

So stay at 4 take Richardson or wait till 35 and take Hooker. Still on the Hooker bandwagon. Start Sam until Hooker is completely ready then throw him in there

I've never been big on trading up, and that would include this year. Just talking about what the situation may dictate. It's not Ballard's style, but just like free agency, you have to deal with other teams' disagreeable moves if you want a guy.

If the Colts and/or other teams see a significant drop off in quality or too big a risk after their first choice (or even second choice), then they're forced into the bidding game. CHI is definitely in the enviable position for this year's draft.

I like Stroud out of this group enough that I don't consider it a toss-up and we should just take whoever is left. That said... I don't have the conviction Dam has. I hope he's right and we land him, but I've never been real big on this class. Just seems like we'll have to pay to get him.

[Dam8610]

Imagine needing a QB in 2005 when you could've had Aaron Rodgers and instead saying, "Wait for Matt Leinart to come out next year."

I'd really rather the Colts not make a similar mistake.

[Puck]

Imagine needing a QB in 2005 when you could've had Aaron Rodgers and instead saying, "Wait for Matt Leinart to come out next year."

I'd really rather the Colts not make a similar mistake.

Imagine needing a QB in the 2017 draft and trading up for Mitch Trubisky

Ah this is fun. Keep them coming

[CletusPyle]

Badly outnumbered but still want to stay put at 4 and draft Levis....or Richardson if he is still there?

[Dam8610]

Well we're fucked now. Draft Jalen Carter and hope Caleb Williams really is Mahomes 2.0.

[Spike]

Well we're fucked now. Draft Jalen Carter and hope Caleb Williams really is Mahomes 2.0.

I don't understand how anyone can just say Caleb Williams. A shitload of things have to go just right for the Colts to get Williams. There are a truckload of other teams that will be out to get him to. Love to get him, but it's just not going to be that damn easy.

[Lov2fish]

I don't understand how anyone can just say Caleb Williams. A shitload of things have to go just right for the Colts to get Williams. There are a truckload of other teams that will be out to get him to. Love to get him, but it's just not going to be that damn easy.

He will want to trade the next 3 drafts for him, and another reason I am thankful he is not our GM. I wouldn't be opposed to Dam getting a GM job with another AFC south team though.

[Dam8610]

Only hope now is that Reich really loves Levis and the Texans really love Young or Richardson. The Colts needed to do ONE THING this offseason, and they fucked it up.

[omahacolt]

Only hope now is that Reich really loves Levis and the Texans really love Young or Richardson. The Colts needed to do ONE THING this offseason, and they fucked it up.

i thought i was mature enough not to enjoy you crying about not trading up but it appears i am not.

[apballin]

Only hope now is that Reich really loves Levis and the Texans really love Young or Richardson. The Colts needed to do ONE THING this offseason, and they fucked it up.

1 thing = get a QB. They’re gonna get a QB I guarantee it.

Of all the teams in need of a QB I’d say the Colts are the best possible landing spot for any of these QBs.

[Dam8610]

i thought i was mature enough not to enjoy you crying about not trading up but it appears i am not.

I hope you enjoy it as much as the next several years in QB purgatory if they take Levis or Richardson.

1 thing = get a QB. They’re gonna get a QB I guarantee it.

Of all the teams in need of a QB I’d say the Colts are the best possible landing spot for any of these QBs.

1 thing = Get THE BEST QB, not Levis or Richardson which will set the franchise back another half decade and probably get Ballard fired.

[apballin]

I hope you enjoy it as much as the next several years in QB purgatory if they take Levis or Richardson.



1 thing = Get THE BEST QB, not Levis or Richardson which will set the franchise back another half decade and probably get Ballard fired.

I don’t give a fuck I’m not giving up Pittman for Stroud. I’ve wanted each of the top 4 QBs at some point but after the combine Richardson seemed like a Colt more than any of these guys.

Any of the top 4 is an improvement over Ryan

[JAFF]

i thought i was mature enough not to enjoy you crying about not trading up but it appears i am not.

Wow, we agree. :eek::eek:

[PowayColt]

1. Stroud
2. Levis
3. AR
4. Young

What I definitely don't want is to trade up for any of these. We have the fourth pick and there are four top QBs available. Just sit tight, keep our draft picks and draft whoever is left.

[nate505]

Honestly, while I would be fine if they stayed at 4 and got Levis, I think I'm more on the "draft Will Anderson and get Hooker in the second round or trade up for him in the first" bandwagon.