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JAFF
03-04-2023, 08:08 PM
https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2023/03/04/colts-have-to-decide-kentucky-qb-will-levis-is-more-than-just-a-cannon/69935688007/

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INDIANAPOLIS — Will Levis knows exactly why he’s in this position.

Why he has a chance to be picked in the top-five of April’s draft, handed the keys to an NFL franchise and all the expectations that comes with that.

Levis knows, to borrow a phrase from “Bull Durham,” that the gods reached down and turned his right arm into a thunderbolt. When Levis was asked why he was going to throw in Saturday’s workouts at the NFL scouting combine, a decision that not every first-round quarterback makes, he essentially pointed to his right arm.

“Because I’ve got a cannon,” Levis said. “I want to show it off.”


Levis was given a golden opportunity to do that in the Combine quarterback workouts Saturday, placed in the first group of quarterbacks, a group that didn’t include Ohio State’s C.J. Stroud or Florida’s Anthony Richardson.

The former Kentucky quarterback took advantage of the opportunity, firing out throws that made the analysts watching the workout gush.

Doyel: Bryce Young, C.J. Stroud, Anthony Richardson impress at NFL Combine (indystar.com)


And Levis thinks his arm can get even better by focusing on the rest of his body.

“Everything from the waist down. How I’m initiating movement, where I’m using force, which muscles I’m using,” Levis said. “I’m a pretty quick, mobile guy, but I kind of realized, just as I started my offseason training, how kind of weak I was in my adductor and low-core area. To be able to engage those, and push through those areas, and use my feet … to get a good platform and get the ball out efficiently without even having to worry about much of the upper half.”


Levis spent most of his interview session with NFL reporters projecting that kind of confidence, particularly in the thunderbolt hanging off the right side of his body.

As good as the line about cannon might have been, it might not have been the biggest statement Levis tried to make about his arm strength on Friday.


“I think I’ve got one of the stronger arms that’s come out of the draft in recent memory,” Levis said.

Kansas City superstar Patrick Mahomes was drafted in 2017. Buffalo snapped up Josh Allen a year later. Justin Herbert went to the Chargers in 2020.


If Levis is actually in that company — and that’s debatable, given that some NFL draft analysts believe Richardson actually has the best arm in the class — it’s good company to keep.


But there is another side to arm strength.

For every Mahomes, Allen or Herbert, there have been guys like Zach Wilson, Jacob Eason, Trey Lance, Drew Lock and Carson Wentz; cannon arms that didn’t have the rest of the necessary qualities to be franchise quarterbacks in the NFL.

Two of those quarterbacks were in Indianapolis recently.

And the Colts are all too aware that arm strength isn’t the only quality a quarterback needs to succeed. When new Indianapolis head coach Shane Steichen and long-time Colts general manager Chris Ballard were asked about the qualities they want to find in their next franchise quarterback, neither man put arm strength in the top three.

“You want guy who’s got a fast mind, who’s accurate,” Ballard said. “Like, we get caught up in arm strength, but (who are the) guys that are accurate, and then who makes plays when the game’s on the line?”


Levis, who transferred from Penn State to Kentucky after two disappointing years in Happy Valley, completed 65.7% of his passes in Lexington. Accuracy isn’t the biggest question he has to answer.

But the ability to make plays when the game’s on the line, and to avoid the back-breaking plays that can turn a game in an instant, is something that cost Levis at Kentucky.

Levis threw 23 interceptions and took 58 sacks in his two seasons under center in the Wildcats’ offense, and even though Kentucky had issues on the offensive line, plus an offensive coordinator change, the quarterback’s inability to rise above those obstacles are questions a team has to answer before drafting Levis.

“That’s the cause for concern, that’s the flag,” NFL Network analyst Daniel Jeremiah said last week in a conference call with reporters. “I would want to sit there and go through all the sacks and turnovers when you sit down with him, because it’s a big number, and it needs to be explained. I don’t think that’s all on him.”


A team like the Colts should be acutely aware of the havoc sacks and turnovers can play on an offense after the struggles of Wentz and Matt Ryan the past two seasons.

But Levis’ physical tools are impossible to ignore.

Physical tools alone are far from enough to be the franchise quarterback the Colts and other quarterback-needy teams are trying to find in this draft.

Levis understands.

He’s been through some adversity in his career already, first at Penn State, then in last year’s disappointing season at Kentucky.

The decision to transfer away from Penn State after the 2020 season was difficult.

“The mantra I always live my life by is, ‘Never give up,’" Levis said. “When I made the decision to transfer, I kind of felt like I was going against that mantra, but at the same time, I realized I wasn’t giving up, I was going to stick to whatever was best for me, and I was going to take my shot and go play my cards somewhere else.”


Levis immediately shot to the top of draft boards after an impressive opening season in Lexington, then fell back to earth in 2022, hampered by turf toe and an injury to his non-throwing shoulder.

The injuries robbed him of one of the parts of his game that had NFL teams salivating. A big, bruising battering ram of a quarterback, Levis rushed for 376 yards and nine touchdowns, but the quarterback run all but disappeared from the offense in 2022 due to the injuries and coordinator switch.

“This past year, the season didn't go as well as we would have wanted it to, but (I) learned a lot from it,” Levis said. “Learned how to kind of battle through adversity and dealt with a lot of things physically, situationally that were tough, but just became a better player, better quarterback because of it.”

NFL teams, including the Colts, have to decide if Levis is right about his ability.

Or if the physical tools are masking issues that will keep Levis from reaching the ceiling his gifts seem to promise.


“I think right now, I can bring them a championship team,” Levis said. “That's the confidence I have, due to my experience and due to my physical tools. I think that I'm immediately able to be plugged into any offense, learn it well, and become a leader very quickly for whatever team I play for.”

Levis has the confidence, the arm, the frame and the athleticism.

The question is whether or not he can put it all together.

Luck4Reich
03-04-2023, 09:03 PM
There has been a lot of Failed cannons in the history of the NFL.... but who knows.

Dam8610
03-04-2023, 09:14 PM
JaMarcus Russell still has the best arm I've ever seen. Unfortunately it was attached to a poor processor and and even worse work ethic.

JAFF
03-04-2023, 10:35 PM
JaMarcus Russell still has the best arm I've ever seen. Unfortunately it was attached to a poor processor and and even worse work ethic.

John Eway had the best arm, his WRs wore rib protecters. He cracked Steve Watons ribs in a game. His recievers had x shaped bruises from the nose of the football.

Lov2fish
03-04-2023, 10:47 PM
John Eway had the best arm, his WRs wore rib protecters. He cracked Steve Watons ribs in a game. His recievers had x shaped bruises from the nose of the football.

Elway was a sure fire first round draft choice in baseball as a pitcher. He chose football over baseball after he forced Irsay to make the trade with Denver by declaring he would choose baseball if drafted by the Colts.

Butter
03-04-2023, 11:11 PM
Elway was a sure fire first round draft choice in baseball as a pitcher. He chose football over baseball after he forced Irsay to make the trade with Denver by declaring he would choose baseball if drafted by the Colts.

Next, you are going to tell us that Mo Allie-Cox played basketball instead of football in college, you are just full of little known facts.

Dewey 5
03-04-2023, 11:38 PM
John Eway had the best arm, his WRs wore rib protecters. He cracked Steve Watons ribs in a game. His recievers had x shaped bruises from the nose of the football.

Best arm I've ever seen. Bert Jones was a real close second.

CletusPyle
03-04-2023, 11:58 PM
The least hyped QB by the media might be the gem of the draft, media loves Young and Stroud, you seldom ever hear them say a contrary word, but Levis gets constant criticism and skepticism! Still hoping the Colts don't give away the farm for Young or Stroud, the price is too high in my opinion, stay pat and draft the guy the falls to you!

Oldcolt
03-04-2023, 11:59 PM
Bert had the most beautiful deep ball ever

Dam8610
03-05-2023, 12:07 AM
John Eway had the best arm, his WRs wore rib protecters. He cracked Steve Watons ribs in a game. His recievers had x shaped bruises from the nose of the football.

Couldn't watch the combine before I was born.

CletusPyle
03-05-2023, 12:25 AM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10067635-will-levis-at-2023-nfl-combine-measurements-highlights-and-reaction

From the article:
Kentucky quarterback Will Levis stole the show at the NFL Scouting Combine on Saturday thanks to a rocket arm that wowed onlookers during the throwing portion of his day.

He measured in at 6'4" and 229 pounds and registered a 34-inch vertical leap and a 10'4" broad jump. He has a 10⅝" hand size and a 32-inch arm length.

Spike
03-05-2023, 12:38 AM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10067635-will-levis-at-2023-nfl-combine-measurements-highlights-and-reaction

From the article:
Kentucky quarterback Will Levis stole the show at the NFL Scouting Combine on Saturday thanks to a rocket arm that wowed onlookers during the throwing portion of his day.

He measured in at 6'4" and 229 pounds and registered a 34-inch vertical leap and a 10'4" broad jump. He has a 10⅝" hand size and a 32-inch arm length.

He was the best in the first set of QB's out there. The 2nd set, AR and Stroud were phenomenal too.

Chromeburn
03-05-2023, 01:36 AM
Richardson was the tallest, the heaviest and the most athletic QB today. Even did a backflip on the field. Ran a 4.44 getting up to 23 mph. Threw the ball about 60-70 yards. And seems to now have a perfect 10 on the RAS. Everyone thought he would shine today and he certainly did.

apballin
03-05-2023, 08:18 AM
Richardson was the tallest, the heaviest and the most athletic QB today. Even did a backflip on the field. Ran a 4.44 getting up to 23 mph. Threw the ball about 60-70 yards. And seems to now have a perfect 10 on the RAS. Everyone thought he would shine today and he certainly did.

Well there’s Ballards guy he loves that RAS measurables shit.

JAFF
03-05-2023, 09:28 AM
Elway was a sure fire first round draft choice in baseball as a pitcher. He chose football over baseball after he forced Irsay to make the trade with Denver by declaring he would choose baseball if drafted by the Colts.

A good decision on Elways part. There was no free agency at the time, and I believe he had been drafted by the NY Yankees. The Colts were a train wreck, as in the one that just happened in Ohio.

Lov2fish
03-05-2023, 12:05 PM
Next, you are going to tell us that Mo Allie-Cox played basketball instead of football in college, you are just full of little known facts.

Good morning to you too, douchebag.

JAFF
03-05-2023, 01:24 PM
Couldn't watch the combine before I was born.

Didnt miss anything, it started in 1982, not on tv until nfl channel in 2003. In the 1990s teams got 12 rounds of picks

Colts And Orioles
03-05-2023, 01:43 PM
Couldn't watch the combine before I was born.





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I couldn't watch the combine before I was born, either.

In fact, there are a whole slew of things that I couldn't do before I was born. Being in the womb really limits one's capabilities.

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omahacolt
03-05-2023, 02:11 PM
JaMarcus Russell still has the best arm I've ever seen. Unfortunately it was attached to a poor processor and and even worse work ethic.

thats not true

JAFF
03-05-2023, 02:17 PM
thats not true

Which part?

Colts And Orioles
03-05-2023, 04:12 PM
Bert Jones had the most beautiful deep ball ever.





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In 1990 when Jones was 39 years-old, Bobby Beathard actually tried to coax him out of retirement to play for the Chargers when he saw Bert throwing the ball more than 75 yards in an NFL quarterback contest.

After giving it some thought, Jones declined the offer ...... he cited advice from his doctor that re-injuring his neck (an injury which forced him to retire 8 years earlier in 1982) could cause permanent damage, perhaps even paralysis.




Beathard Interested in Bert Jones's Return

(Washington Post Archives)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1990/06/20/beathard-interested-in-bert-joness-return/eb153c93-691b-4281-93ed-0661b15ac1fd/

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YDFL Commish
03-05-2023, 04:36 PM
John Eway had the best arm, his WRs wore rib protecters. He cracked Steve Watons ribs in a game. His recievers had x shaped bruises from the nose of the football.


Bert had a much stronger arm that Elway. Just watch the film. Elway was a body thrower, much like Manning. To generate velocity Elway had to use the torque of his entire body.

Watch Bert Jones play with a separated shoulder on MNF against the Redskins in '78 ,throwing frozen ropes with just a flick of his wrist. Even BB says that Bert was the best thrower of the football, that he's ever seen.

JAFF
03-05-2023, 04:47 PM
Bert had a much stronger arm that Elway. Just watch the film. Elway was a body thrower, much like Manning. To generate velocity Elway had to use the torque of his entire body.

Watch Bert Jones play with a separated shoulder on MNF against the Redskins in '78 ,throwing frozen ropes with just a flick of his wrist. Even BB says that Bert was the best thrower of the football, that he's ever seen.

John didnt have any touch until he tore something in his throwing arm. I watched a lot of Bronco games living in the Rocky Mt region, and he would throw rockets as swing passes. He knocked a helmet off his own receiver on a shallow cross. You could see it coming, he would pull back to throw, tap the ball twice with his left hand then throw a rocket that didnt have have a hump in it. You know, ball flight like a parabola, didnt exist in Elways skills.

YDFL Commish
03-05-2023, 05:10 PM
John didnt have any touch until he tore something in his throwing arm. I watched a lot of Bronco games living in the Rocky Mt region, and he would throw rockets as swing passes. He knocked a helmet off his own receiver on a shallow cross. You could see it coming, he would pull back to throw, tap the ball twice with his left hand then throw a rocket that didnt have have a hump in it. You know, ball flight like a parabola, did exist in Elways skills.

Are you Bob Kravitz?

JAFF
03-05-2023, 05:52 PM
Are you Bob Kravitz?

Thats just rude.

Chromeburn
03-06-2023, 12:01 PM
Well there’s Ballards guy he loves that RAS measurables shit.

Fans might want to start warming up to Richardson.

rm1369
03-06-2023, 12:32 PM
Fans might want to start warming up to Richardson.

How does Richardsons compare to Jalen Hurts (in college) as a passer? A quick highlight of their strengths and weaknesses has a decent amount of common points including concerns about accuracy and reading a defense.

CletusPyle
03-06-2023, 09:35 PM
Fans might want to start warming up to Richardson.

I'd be fine with AR, I just don't want the Colts to trade up and give away picks that this team needs to fill the holes we already have!

apballin
03-06-2023, 10:03 PM
Fans might want to start warming up to Richardson.

I’d be good with it, find a bridge qb for the first 8-10 games

Imagine RPO with him and Taylor the defense has to honor both of those guys

Don’t forget the new QB coach also coached Cam Newton

Puck
03-06-2023, 10:41 PM
I’d be good with it, find a bridge qb for the first 8-10 games

Imagine RPO with him and Taylor the defense has to honor both of those guys

Don’t forget the new QB coach also coached Cam Newton

Philip Rivers???

Dam8610
03-07-2023, 12:06 AM
Fans might want to start warming up to Richardson.

If he's valuing what his coach says, then he's valuing Stroud immensely. Whenever Steichen talks about what he wants in a QB, it reads like a description of CJ Stroud.

Oldcolt
03-07-2023, 10:09 AM
If he's valuing what his coach says, then he's valuing Stroud immensely. Whenever Steichen talks about what he wants in a QB, it reads like a description of CJ Stroud.

Unless you actually know the guy this is bullshit. Even if you know him, whether he lives and breathes football after he is a millionaire is an unknown. All of these guys, to an extent, are gambles. Always has been and always will be. If folks could actually tell Brady wouldn't have been a 6th rounder and Mahomes would have gone #1. Hooker may turn out to be the franchise QB of this class. Don't give up the farm for any of these dudes

Dam8610
03-07-2023, 02:50 PM
Unless you actually know the guy this is bullshit. Even if you know him, whether he lives and breathes football after he is a millionaire is an unknown. All of these guys, to an extent, are gambles. Always has been and always will be. If folks could actually tell Brady wouldn't have been a 6th rounder and Mahomes would have gone #1. Hooker may turn out to be the franchise QB of this class. Don't give up the farm for any of these dudes

They interview them for a reason, and it's to answer the questions you're posing here. Every indication is that CJ Stroud is impressing NFL teams in his interviews, unless something new has come out in the last 24 hours that runs contrary to every report prior to it. It's not an exact science, but good GMs are right more often than they're wrong.

Oldcolt
03-07-2023, 05:28 PM
They interview them for a reason, and it's to answer the questions you're posing here. Every indication is that CJ Stroud is impressing NFL teams in his interviews, unless something new has come out in the last 24 hours that runs contrary to every report prior to it. It's not an exact science, but good GMs are right more often than they're wrong.

I agree with everything you say except the last one. I think the record shows that it is very difficult to predict who will be a good QB and GMs miss more than 50% of the time.

Dam8610
03-07-2023, 08:31 PM
I agree with everything you say except the last one. I think the record shows that it is very difficult to predict who will be a good QB and GMs miss more than 50% of the time.

I said "good", not "all".

Oldcolt
03-07-2023, 10:48 PM
So you define good as hitting on a QB most of the time? If Ballard (or anyone else) hits then they are good? If not they are not good? We just do not agree. I think it is luck most of the time and the draft proves it in my opinion.

Dam8610
03-07-2023, 11:29 PM
So you define good as hitting on a QB most of the time? If Ballard (or anyone else) hits then they are good? If not they are not good? We just do not agree. I think it is luck most of the time and the draft proves it in my opinion.

When did I say hitting on a QB most of the time? Most GMs get one shot at QB, maybe 2 if they're lucky. You either hit or miss. That has nothing to do with being right more often than not in the draft in general. Hitting on QB or not is the determining factor of whether you have a job as a GM, which is why risk taking is ill advised.