Bryce Young is just over 5-10 and 204 pounds

[JAFF]

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/03/04/bryce-young-measured-at-just-over-5-10-weighs-204-pounds/

Im taller than that

:eek:

[Dam8610]

5101, just 5/8" taller than my 5096 guess. Kyler Murray is the only example of an NFL QB near that height. Russell Wilson is nearly a full inch taller. The weight is less concerning than reports, though. I think Ballard is too measurable minded to draft Young. I think he goes up to 1 for Stroud now. That's sad, I really wanted Calijah Kancey at 35, but that pick will probably have to go.

[ChaosTheory]

He's nearly identical to Kyler Murray.

KM: 5'10 1/8", 207lbs., hands 9.5"

BY: 5'10 1/8", 204lbs., hands 9.75"

[ChaosTheory]

5101, just 5/8" taller than my 5096 guess. Kyler Murray is the only example of an NFL QB near that height. Russell Wilson is nearly a full inch taller. The weight is less concerning than reports, though. I think Ballard is too measurable minded to draft Young. I think he goes up to 1 for Stroud now. That's sad, I really wanted Calijah Kancey at 35, but that pick will probably have to go.

The weight was more important to me than the height. Height is important but we've seen enough short guys excel. But 194lbs. is already tiny and I was curious if even that number was embellished.

204lbs. is still small. I've seen people compare him to Mahomes as far as maneuvering... but Mahomes almost got knocked out of the playoffs. I don't know if a much smaller guy survives those kinds of things.

[Brylok]

Napoleon was 5'6"

[Hoopsdoc]

Just from watching YouTube highlights, I want Young. He’s better than Stroud or Levis, in my admittedly hastily formed opinion.

[Dam8610]

Just from watching YouTube highlights, I want Young. He’s better than Stroud or Levis, in my admittedly hastily formed opinion.

I disagree with better than Stroud. He's leagues better than Levis, about equal with Stroud, which is why Stroud wins out for me because the measureables become the tiebreaker.

[Oldcolt]

All of these guys have red flags. If you believe in your coaching staff then stay put and pick the best guy at 4. Let your staff develop them.

[apballin]

All of these guys have red flags. If you believe in your coaching staff then stay put and pick the best guy at 4. Let your staff develop them.

Do we really have 2 years to wait on Richardson or Levi’s though?

Stroud or Young can make this team playoff contenders year 1 IMO

[JAFF]

Napoleon was 5'6"

Maybe thats why he was short sighted at waterloo?

[smitty46953]

Kid had to be water logged, he looks 185-190 at 5'10" ? Bet he gulped a couple gallons this morning? :cool:

[JAFF]

Kid had to be water logged, he looks 185-190 at 5'10" ? Bet he gulped a couple gallons this morning? :cool:

He hasnt peed since monday

[YDFL Commish]

Levis says he hasn't even talked to the Colts?

[rcubed]

I just feel like stroud is who ballard is targeting.

[YDFL Commish]

AR15 is lighting up the combine!

[ChoppedWood]

Do we really have 2 years to wait on Richardson or Levi’s though?

Stroud or Young can make this team playoff contenders year 1 IMO

Very optimistic unfortunately. Somewhere I put up a post about when these marque QB's really start to demonstrate the traits that make the team theirs- yes that's a very loosely quantitative statement about converting to PO team, and it that data showed that it is generally at the last Quarter of their 2nd year. It was really great feedback reviewing I think all the top 5 drafted QB's over the last 20 years or something. Rare is the highly drafted young QB who steps on the field and transforms the bottom dwelling team.

[ChoppedWood]

AR 4.43, looks enormous, threw with over 60MPH velocity. Had one bad throw to the sidelines. Whhhhhew boy.

Will say Stroud has looked very very polished- looks like he has pro polish to him.

[ChoppedWood]

Stroud's deep ball- terrific!
Richardson has a cannon too- one hung up a little but but damn the man has a launcher.

I'd go Stroud then Richardson but I wouldn't move up to get one of them.

[Dam8610]

Levis says he hasn't even talked to the Colts?

Good, keep it that way. No thank you to Carson Wentz 2.0.

I just feel like stroud is who ballard is targeting.

Ballard is a measureables guy, and I think that's going to make the difference for him.

AR 4.43, looks enormous, threw with over 60MPH velocity. Had one bad throw to the sidelines. Whhhhhew boy.

Will say Stroud has looked very very polished- looks like he has pro polish to him.

Richardson has quite the impressive set of tools, but the Colts don't have the 2 years he needs to let him sit and develop.

Stroud seems like the most Day 1 ready starter since Joe Burrow.

[JAFF]

Stroud seems like the most Day 1 ready starter since Joe Burrow.

Does he have room to grow? Manning and Luck got better as they plaed more games. Does Stroud get better or is this as good as it gets?

[Dam8610]

Does he have room to grow? Manning and Luck got better as they plaed more games. Does Stroud get better or is this as good as it gets?

I think Stroud improves the same way both of those two improved upon entering the league: by being a film junkie and learning the tendencies of opposing defenses and players and how to counter those things. He certainly has a lot to learn in that regard.

[Dewey 5]

Stroud & Richardson both jumped Young today, imo. Ballard is going to have to grow some balls & trade up if he wants either of them.

[Luck4Reich]

Does he have room to grow? Manning and Luck got better as they plaed more games. Does Stroud get better or is this as good as it gets?

Everyone has room to grow.... it's the willingness to grow. Stroud seems to have the willingness. You are taking a chance on all of these guys. Let's hope that the coaches and our GM pair up the right QB with this team.

[Chromeburn]

He's nearly identical to Kyler Murray.

KM: 5'10 1/8", 207lbs., hands 9.5"

BY: 5'10 1/8", 204lbs., hands 9.75"

Without the wheels or Kyler's athleticism.

[Chromeburn]

Levis says he hasn't even talked to the Colts?

Colts drafted a guy a couple years ago, they didn't talk to him at all.

[Brylok]

Ricky Henderson was 5'10", 180 in his playing days. Played left field and hit leadoff though.

[rcubed]

Ricky Henderson was 5'10", 180 in his playing days. Played left field and hit leadoff though.


Who cares?

[JAFF]

Ricky Henderson was 5'10", 180 in his playing days. Played left field and hit leadoff though.

He wasnt the brightest bulb in the box. He never learned and of the signs for running the bases

[apballin]

I just worry about Jeff Simmons landing on Young 1 time

[ChoppedWood]

Didn't know the Richardson story until yesterday. Pretty impressive display of overcoming long odds. With him you know you are getting a guy that appreciates the struggle and the dedication to become something great, a lot to be said for that mentality.

[Brylok]

He wasnt the brightest bulb in the box. He never learned and of the signs for running the bases

Ricky says Ricky painted the signs.

[ChaosTheory]

Without the wheels or Kyler's athleticism.

Doesn't seem so. Although, I've read he's a low 4.5 guy, which is what Hurts is. Fast for a QB. But Murray was a sub-4.4 guy. Hand timed, so it could be off. But we saw first hand how he could run.

I just worry about Jeff Simmons landing on Young 1 time

That's it. Being short doesn't mean you can't play. But being small means if someone does get a hold of you, it's going to fucking hurt.

I also honestly don't know how much I trust the 204lbs. Speculating, but I have a feeling they wanted to make weigh-in look good, but playing weight might be sub-200lbs. again. I don't know.

[Lov2fish]

I disagree with better than Stroud. He's leagues better than Levis, about equal with Stroud, which is why Stroud wins out for me because the measureables become the tiebreaker.

You must be a huge buckeye fan. It is the only thing I can figure with the dick riding of Stroud. If he is drafted I will root for him to be the best QB in the league, but he won't be.

[ChoppedWood]

Doesn't seem so. Although, I've read he's a low 4.5 guy, which is what Hurts is. Fast for a QB. But Murray was a sub-4.4 guy. Hand timed, so it could be off. But we saw first hand how he could run.



That's it. Being short doesn't mean you can't play. But being small means if someone does get a hold of you, it's going to fucking hurt.

I also honestly don't know how much I trust the 204lbs. Speculating, but I have a feeling they wanted to make weigh-in look good, but playing weight might be sub-200lbs. again. I don't know.

When they kept showing him in his QB group, man the size difference was staggering. There was a clip with Stroud standing next to him (a really good moment for Stroud because it showed him as sort of a "team guy" because he put his arms around Young and pointed to him in that sort of "this the man right here" way which speaks to his confidence)- when he did that, Young literally looked like a hs level athlete compared to Stroud's size.

No way in hell am I taking him after seeing that.

[Dewey 5]

You must be a huge buckeye fan. It is the only thing I can figure with the dick riding of Stroud. If he is drafted I will root for him to be the best QB in the league, but he won't be.

Maybe not the best Qb in the league but he is the best Qb in this draft class.

[apballin]

Didn't know the Richardson story until yesterday. Pretty impressive display of overcoming long odds. With him you know you are getting a guy that appreciates the struggle and the dedication to become something great, a lot to be said for that mentality.

Not familiar with his story myself

[JAFF]

When they kept showing him in his QB group, man the size difference was staggering. There was a clip with Stroud standing next to him (a really good moment for Stroud because it showed him as sort of a "team guy" because he put his arms around Young and pointed to him in that sort of "this the man right here" way which speaks to his confidence)- when he did that, Young literally looked like a hs level athlete compared to Stroud's size.

No way in hell am I taking him after seeing that.

Aint the size of the dog in the fight, its the size of the fight in the dog.

See Drew Brees

[apballin]

Aint the size of the dog in the fight, its the size of the fight in the dog.

See Drew Brees

Or Mike Vick

[JAFF]

Or Mike Vick

Really, you went there? Its going to be that kind day………..:eek:

[Lov2fish]

Maybe not the best Qb in the league but he is the best Qb in this draft class.

The bar has not been set to awfully high this year.

[Dam8610]

You must be a huge buckeye fan. It is the only thing I can figure with the dick riding of Stroud. If he is drafted I will root for him to be the best QB in the league, but he won't be.

Purdue, I actually hate OSU. I just acknowledge talent when I see it. Stroud and Young are on the same level, Stroud is just standard NFL QB size, which is the tiebreaker in this case.

I will say Young is more of a Russell Wilson and Stroud is more of an Aaron Rodgers in terms of play style and ceiling. I do realize size comps are also relatively close there.

[JAFF]

Purdue, I actually hate OSU. I just acknowledge talent when I see it. Stroud and Young are on the same level, Stroud is just standard NFL QB size, which is the tiebreaker in this case.

I will say Young is more of a Russell Wilson and Stroud is more of an Aaron Rodgers in terms of play style and ceiling. I do realize size comps are also relatively close there.

Hey how do you rate Adien OConner as a Qb?

[Dam8610]

Hey how do you rate Adien OConner as a Qb?

O'Connell? He's too erratic and strictly a pocket passer. You could see it in him throwing at the combine yesterday. His ball placement is less than ideal and so is his athleticism in the modern NFL. He might be a good backup who could make a spot start and not throw away your playoff chances if the starter has to miss 2-3 weeks, but I don't think he'll be starter material.

[ChoppedWood]

Not familiar with his story myself

Homeless, basically him and his mom just battling to stay afloat going from place to place crashing on couches, starting in Miami. Became a local public school celebrity due to his skill and took off. He has a little brother that he more or less raised while his mom worked to keep them fed. His mom found love, and that man is a huge part of his life. Has a very close knit group of friends and is apparently just humbled as hell and has already done one of those "when I get paid she is never working again" things and she insists she's just gonna continue to be the mom she always has been.

There's some Edge in this story, and well that turned out to be one of the greatest stories in NFL history.

Was listening to a radio show tonight talking about how the level of risk in taking a player like him is now so much lower due to the salary cap. They used the Sam Bradford example and the hell you used to have to pay taking a gamble whereas now- meh you suck again but your cap isn't shattered so you can go back to the well immediately.

More and more I like the tought of gambling and going after him at # 1. DOES NOT APPEAR TO HAVE ANY OF THE DEMARCUS RUSSEL TRAITS- sort of obvious by him looking like a freakin muscle machine at combine.

[apballin]

Homeless, basically him and his mom just battling to stay afloat going from place to place crashing on couches, starting in Miami. Became a local public school celebrity due to his skill and took off. He has a little brother that he more or less raised while his mom worked to keep them fed. His mom found love, and that man is a huge part of his life. Has a very close knit group of friends and is apparently just humbled as hell and has already done one of those "when I get paid she is never working again" things and she insists she's just gonna continue to be the mom she always has been.

There's some Edge in this story, and well that turned out to be one of the greatest stories in NFL history.

Was listening to a radio show tonight talking about how the level of risk in taking a player like him is now so much lower due to the salary cap. They used the Sam Bradford example and the hell you used to have to pay taking a gamble whereas now- meh you suck again but your cap isn't shattered so you can go back to the well immediately.

More and more I like the tought of gambling and going after him at # 1. DOES NOT APPEAR TO HAVE ANY OF THE DEMARCUS RUSSEL TRAITS- sort of obvious by him looking like a freakin muscle machine at combine.

Looks like he was on a Netflix special?

Also seen he wanted to be a fireman before his football stardom

[apballin]

Really, you went there? Its going to be that kind day………..:eek:

It’s always the first thing I think of when people equate football to fighting dogs.

Even when I hear analysts say it during games I have to laugh

[JAFF]

O'Connell? He's too erratic and strictly a pocket passer. You could see it in him throwing at the combine yesterday. His ball placement is less than ideal and so is his athleticism in the modern NFL. He might be a good backup who could make a spot start and not throw away your playoff chances if the starter has to miss 2-3 weeks, but I don't think he'll be starter material.

Watching him play last, it was his leadership and getting everything out of every play. I think he is someone you draft late and see what he can do.

[Dam8610]

Watching him play last, it was his leadership and getting everything out of every play. I think he is someone you draft late and see what he can do.

Sure, as a backup. He's no Purdy, that's for sure.

[Lov2fish]

Watching him play last, it was his leadership and getting everything out of every play. I think he is someone you draft late and see what he can do.

Montana was a 3rd. rounder and according to experts the niners "reached" Never trust those fucking geeks. Turned out pretty well for a team that "reached"

[JAFF]

It’s always the first thing I think of when people equate football to fighting dogs.

Even when I hear analysts say it during games I have to laugh

I wasnt thinking about dog fighting. My daughter has a 75 lb, schnoodle doodle who thinks he is a lap dog. Hes got a smaller sibling who spends most of the day grabbing his tail and dragging him around on the hardwood floor.

[Dam8610]

Montana was a 3rd. rounder and according to experts the niners "reached" Never trust those fucking geeks. Turned out pretty well for a team that "reached"

Montana is a perfect example of why team and scheme fit matters for draftees. It may sound absurd to say now, but there is a strong chance that Joe Montana could've been a draft bust. Fortunately for him, he went to the 49ers and Bill Walsh, whose scheme he fit perfectly. Most teams at that time would've asked Montana to be a much more vertical passer, which he would've struggled to do. Walsh's West Coast offense fit Montana's skillset like a glove. Further, Walsh felt it important to surround Montana with elite talent to maximize his offense, and was able to do with several elite players, including the greatest WR of all time.

Similarly, we all marvel at Patrick Mahomes now, but had some team drafted him with the intention of starting him immediately, he may have a similar story to Ryan Leaf. It was the Chiefs' patience in bringing him along and allowing him time to develop that turned him into the monster he is today.

This is why QBs like Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, and Joe Burrow are so valuable. Few QBs are so NFL ready and scheme diverse that you can just plug and play them anywhere. Peyton Manning would've likely succeeded anywhere, for example, because he would've so obsessively studied the game anywhere, and that was the thing that took him to the next level in the NFL.

[Lov2fish]

Montana is a perfect example of why team and scheme fit matters for draftees. It may sound absurd to say now, but there is a strong chance that Joe Montana could've been a draft bust. Fortunately for him, he went to the 49ers and Bill Walsh, whose scheme he fit perfectly. Most teams at that time would've asked Montana to be a much more vertical passer, which he would've struggled to do. Walsh's West Coast offense fit Montana's skillset like a glove. Further, Walsh felt it important to surround Montana with elite talent to maximize his offense, and was able to do with several elite players, including the greatest WR of all time.

Similarly, we all marvel at Patrick Mahomes now, but had some team drafted him with the intention of starting him immediately, he may have a similar story to Ryan Leaf. It was the Chiefs' patience in bringing him along and allowing him time to develop that turned him into the monster he is today.

This is why QBs like Peyton Manning, Andrew Luck, and Joe Burrow are so valuable. Few QBs are so NFL ready and scheme diverse that you can just plug and play them anywhere. Peyton Manning would've likely succeeded anywhere, for example, because he would've so obsessively studied the game anywhere, and that was the thing that took him to the next level in the NFL.

Montana excelled in KC too. I agree it was a match made for each other with Walsh and Montana in the beginning, but make no mistake about it, Montana was/is a great QB who would have won no matter where he went. My point was, the pundits should be taken with a grain of salt, and Tequila for some!

[Dam8610]

Montana excelled in KC too. I agree it was a match made for each other with Walsh and Montana in the beginning, but make no mistake about it, Montana was/is a great QB who would have won no matter where he went. My point was, the pundits should be taken with a grain of salt, and Tequila for some!

So after over 10 years in a system that allowed him to excel and gain confidence and also saw the proliferation of that system around the league, he was able to succeed with another team? I don’t think that takes anything away from what I said. I think that if, say, the New York Jets had taken him in the 1979 draft, he may not be any more famous than Steve Dils or Dan Manucci.