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Dewey 5
01-09-2023, 10:09 PM
Colts have asked for permission so interview Lions OC Ben Johnson & Rams DC Raheem Morris
Ballard is heading up the search.

ChoppedWood
01-09-2023, 10:14 PM
Colts have asked for permission so interview Lions OC Ben Johnson & Rams DC Raheem Morris
Ballard is heading up the search.

Let's go Ben Johnson!

Puck
01-09-2023, 10:26 PM
Let's go Ben Johnson!

Dude he will make one freakin mistake and you will be posting ad nauseam about how he needs fired

Oldcolt
01-09-2023, 10:33 PM
So Ballard stays. I hope he does a better job than the last time he looked for a coach.

ChoppedWood
01-09-2023, 10:37 PM
Dude he will make one freakin mistake and you will be posting ad nauseam about how he needs fired

Bullshit, I will give him 5 mistakes before doing that!

Dam8610
01-10-2023, 12:15 AM
Hope to see Demeco Ryans on this list soon.

Racehorse
01-10-2023, 07:46 AM
Colts have asked for permission so interview Lions OC Ben Johnson & Rams DC Raheem Morris
Ballard is heading up the search.

I do not understand why they have to ask permission. It is not a lateral move for the coaches.

JAFF
01-10-2023, 08:17 AM
I do not understand why they have to ask permission. It is not a lateral move for the coaches.

They are under contract to a different organization, hiring rights. If I have vince lombardi I dont want him interviewing very year and forcing me to renegotiate his deal.

Spike
01-10-2023, 01:16 PM
They are under contract to a different organization, hiring rights. If I have vince lombardi I dont want him interviewing very year and forcing me to renegotiate his deal.

That would be a lateral move Jaff.

Lov2fish
01-10-2023, 01:59 PM
Hope to see Demeco Ryans on this list soon.

We agree on something. Ryans should be on that list, and given serious consideration.

rcubed
01-10-2023, 02:00 PM
not really surprising statement...

James Boyd
@RomeovilleKid

#Colts GM Chris Ballard: “I won’t get into who the candidates are. … I’ll lead the search. Ultimately, Mr. Irsay makes the final call.”

ukcolt
01-10-2023, 02:21 PM
I think ability to manage people, to communicate freely with the GM, owner. But also to be able to communicate with the other coaches, players and media.

A head coach no longer needs to be able to 'coach', they need to manage. Making the right decisions regards players when they make mistakes, sorting out the in game decisions.

Needs to have connections with coaches who are proven to be excellent coaches, and can get the best out of their players.

A head coach will only succeed in my opinion with a good scouting department, you can have the greatest coaches, who get the best out of their abilities, but you need to have high quality players to begin with, who you can then maximize their talents.

HoosierinFL
01-10-2023, 04:31 PM
I think ability to manage people, to communicate freely with the GM, owner. But also to be able to communicate with the other coaches, players and media.

A head coach no longer needs to be able to 'coach', they need to manage. Making the right decisions regards players when they make mistakes, sorting out the in game decisions.

Needs to have connections with coaches who are proven to be excellent coaches, and can get the best out of their players.

A head coach will only succeed in my opinion with a good scouting department, you can have the greatest coaches, who get the best out of their abilities, but you need to have high quality players to begin with, who you can then maximize their talents.

This is 100% correct.

A good HC has a vision but hires the right OC and DC to execute that and let's them do their job. The HC is the CEO, they manage the operations and make the high level decisions.

JAFF
01-10-2023, 05:46 PM
That would be a lateral move Jaff.

Ahhh no Scott.

https://www.nfl.com/news/changing-coaching-staffs-isn-t-as-easy-for-teams-as-it-once-was-09000d5d815667b9

First 4 paragraphs.

YDFL Commish
01-10-2023, 07:23 PM
Needs to have connections with coaches who are proven to be excellent coaches, and can get the best out of their players.



I think, that this is the most important point. Who's your OC gonna be. Who do you like at DC. What do you think of Gus, Reggie and Bubba and why? How do you envision yourself running this team?

IndyNorm
01-10-2023, 08:01 PM
Ahhh no Scott.

https://www.nfl.com/news/changing-coaching-staffs-isn-t-as-easy-for-teams-as-it-once-was-09000d5d815667b9

First 4 paragraphs.

You should have read the 5th paragraph:

Unless a coach already under contract is being interviewed for a head coaching job, or a personnel exec is being interviewed for a promotion to general manager that would involve final say on personnel, their existing team can block any meeting. Many out there think that only a lateral move can be blocked. That is not true on the coaching or personnel side.

IndyNorm
01-10-2023, 08:02 PM
I do not understand why they have to ask permission. It is not a lateral move for the coaches.

Guessing it's out of courtesy.

JAFF
01-10-2023, 08:09 PM
You should have read the 5th paragraph:

Read the last sentence of your quote.

IndyNorm
01-10-2023, 08:23 PM
Read the last sentence of your quote.

Read the first sentence that clearly states a team can't block someone for interviewing for a head coaching position, which is what the discussion was about since the discussion involves the Colts interviewing for the head coaching position.

Racehorse
01-10-2023, 09:19 PM
Ahhh no Scott.

https://www.nfl.com/news/changing-coaching-staffs-isn-t-as-easy-for-teams-as-it-once-was-09000d5d815667b9

First 4 paragraphs.
From the article itself:
Unless a coach already under contract is being interviewed for a head coaching job, or a personnel exec is being interviewed for a promotion to general manager that would involve final say on personnel, their existing team can block any meeting. Many out there think that only a lateral move can be blocked. That is not true on the coaching or personnel side.

Racehorse
01-10-2023, 09:19 PM
Read the first sentence that clearly states a team can't block someone for interviewing for a head coaching position, which is what the discussion was about since the discussion involves the Colts interviewing for the head coaching position.

Jaff is daft.

JAFF
01-10-2023, 09:25 PM
That would be a lateral move Jaff.

And yet they still need permission

CanuckColt
01-10-2023, 09:37 PM
This is ridiculous...Ballard is just going to 'rearrange deck chairs on the Titanic'.
One of the biggest problems IS Ballard and his team building practices and how much he has over-spent on his 'preferred' positions.
This won't get solved until he leaves or is fired...next year is already a wipeout if Ballard is still round.

Dewey 5
01-10-2023, 09:52 PM
Add Denver DC Ejiro Evero to the interview list

IndyNorm
01-10-2023, 10:16 PM
Jaff is daft.

Not only that, but the article he posted is outdated and not currently correct.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/sean-mcvay-retirement-rumors-rams-hc-reportedly-allows-assistants-to-seek-other-jobs-oc-returns-to-kentucky/#:~:text=Under%20NFL%20rules%2C%20teams%20can,not% 20block%20any%20lateral%20moves.

Under NFL rules, teams can't block position coaches from interviewing for coordinator jobs, but they're allowed to block lateral moves, such as a linebackers coach or defensive coordinator taking the same job elsewhere. In this situation, the Rams will not block any lateral moves.

JAFF
01-10-2023, 11:34 PM
Not only that, but the article he posted is outdated and not currently correct.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/sean-mcvay-retirement-rumors-rams-hc-reportedly-allows-assistants-to-seek-other-jobs-oc-returns-to-kentucky/#:~:text=Under%20NFL%20rules%2C%20teams%20can,not% 20block%20any%20lateral%20moves.


Sorry I missed the date

From ,

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/05/28/nfl-tweaks-the-rules-for-interviewing-head-coaching-candidates/

Dewey 5
01-11-2023, 02:34 PM
Bubba Ventrone is interviewing today

rcubed
01-11-2023, 03:24 PM
Bubba Ventrone is interviewing today
hmmm....well I know that everyone speaks highly of bubba. I would be worried about the familiarity factor with the players. When someone get elevated to the "boss" status who was previously down closer to the workers, that sometimes causes issues with authority in terms of how the power-relationship changes in between the new boss and his subordinates.

ChoppedWood
01-11-2023, 06:26 PM
Jeremy Fowler reporting Harbaugh wants the Colts job.

Here's to hoping he tells Jim he only comes if Ballard is gone- the one thing I think might cause Jim to shit can the con man.

Dam8610
01-11-2023, 07:04 PM
Jeremy Fowler reporting Harbaugh wants the Colts job.

Here's to hoping he tells Jim he only comes if Ballard is gone- the one thing I think might cause Jim to shit can the con man.

Looking forward to Harbaugh and Ballard working together to build a championship contender should Jim actually come in here. This is exactly the type of retread that works at head coach.

IndyNorm
01-11-2023, 08:42 PM
Sorry I missed the date

From ,

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2022/05/28/nfl-tweaks-the-rules-for-interviewing-head-coaching-candidates/

Just giving you shit. It is interesting that at at least one point in time teams could block assistants from interviewing for promotions.

ChaosTheory
01-11-2023, 09:04 PM
Jeremy Fowler reporting Harbaugh wants the Colts job.

Here's to hoping he tells Jim he only comes if Ballard is gone- the one thing I think might cause Jim to shit can the con man.

Where are you reading that? Looking at Fowler's Twitter, I only see Harbaugh mentioned for the DEN job.

ChoppedWood
01-12-2023, 09:47 AM
Where are you reading that? Looking at Fowler's Twitter, I only see Harbaugh mentioned for the DEN job.

JMV called it out about 5:15 on the radio yesterday that Fowler reported Harbaugh wanted to come to Indy. Which with Ballard now firmly back in the fold, I can't see that happening.

Hoopsdoc
01-12-2023, 10:35 AM
JMV called it out about 5:15 on the radio yesterday that Fowler reported Harbaugh wanted to come to Indy. Which with Ballard now firmly back in the fold, I can't see that happening.

The fact that they’ve mentioned 5 interview candidates and not Harbaugh tells me either the Colts aren’t interested or Harbaugh has made it clear he’s not interested.

I’d bet quite a bit of money it’s the latter.

njcoltfan
01-12-2023, 10:39 AM
The fact that they’ve mentioned 5 interview candidates and not Harbaugh tells me either the Colts aren’t interested or Harbaugh has made it clear he’s not interested.

I’d bet quite a bit of money it’s the latter.

Or he's already been offered and accepted the job, and the Colt's are just going thru the motions !!

ChoppedWood
01-12-2023, 11:12 AM
There was also a point made that in this same conversation, that I think was with Holder, and his perception is Irsay is only keeping Ballard because he is NOT willing to pay 4 dudes to do the same jobs. Which if the case, then MAYBE Harbaugh would come here as the default GM knowing Ballard is neutered (even more time at the gym hooray) and he is really calling the shots.

The view is there WILL be a Harbaugh interview but it will NOT be until the very end of all of this.

Dewey 5
01-12-2023, 11:38 AM
Where are you reading that? Looking at Fowler's Twitter, I only see Harbaugh mentioned for the DEN job.

It’s here but I wouldn’t get your hopes up

https://www.yardbarker.com/college_football/articles/amp/report_suggests_michigans_jim_harbaugh_could_pick_ colts_over_broncos/s1_13132_38341552

ChaosTheory
01-12-2023, 11:57 AM
It’s here but I wouldn’t get your hopes up

https://www.yardbarker.com/college_football/articles/amp/report_suggests_michigans_jim_harbaugh_could_pick_ colts_over_broncos/s1_13132_38341552

I'm not getting hopes up for any coach. I think it was a mistake to fire Reich and until a worth a shit coach signs up for the job, I'll continue to think that Jim Irsay's interference will be a huge red flag keeping guys away.

CletusPyle
01-12-2023, 01:34 PM
There was also a point made that in this same conversation, that I think was with Holder, and his perception is Irsay is only keeping Ballard because he is NOT willing to pay 4 dudes to do the same jobs. Which if the case, then MAYBE Harbaugh would come here as the default GM knowing Ballard is neutered (even more time at the gym hooray) and he is really calling the shots.

The view is there WILL be a Harbaugh interview but it will NOT be until the very end of all of this.

If Harbaugh really wants the Colts job and Irsay doesn't get it done, I will never forgive him! Harbaugh is exactly the guy we need to change the culture here in Indy...this team needs toughened up!

ChoppedWood
01-12-2023, 01:44 PM
If Harbaugh really wants the Colts job and Irsay doesn't get it done, I will never forgive him! Harbaugh is exactly the guy we need to change the culture here in Indy...this team needs toughened up!

Agree. Whoever it was that was being interviewed, again I think it was Holder, said they believe Harbaugh will be the final interview and that he has indicated he wants to make sure Saturday has been given full interview and consideration before talking to Jim out of respect for Jeff- which if so, that's cool and if all this is happening behind the scenes, great.

We need him here so bad. He isn't going to take any bullshit interference from Irsay and I do believe he would ultimately trump Ballard even if he remains (if he does, just proves to me he is a dude that is not really about anything other than getting a nice check and having this title that allows him to rub elbows with the league's elite- as EVERYONE would understand he is a GM in name only).

rcubed
01-12-2023, 02:00 PM
Agree. Whoever it was that was being interviewed, again I think it was Holder, said they believe Harbaugh will be the final interview and that he has indicated he wants to make sure Saturday has been given full interview and consideration before talking to Jim out of respect for Jeff- which if so, that's cool and if all this is happening behind the scenes, great.

We need him here so bad. He isn't going to take any bullshit interference from Irsay and I do believe he would ultimately trump Ballard even if he remains (if he does, just proves to me he is a dude that is not really about anything other than getting a nice check and having this title that allows him to rub elbows with the league's elite- as EVERYONE would understand he is a GM in name only).
I think you are being overly harsh. A GM and HC should work closely and the HC should have heavy input into player choices. The coach should not have complete roster control though, but where is it reported that harbaugh would demand complete control?

ChoppedWood
01-12-2023, 02:07 PM
I think you are being overly harsh. A GM and HC should work closely and the HC should have heavy input into player choices. The coach should not have complete roster control though, but where is it reported that harbaugh would demand complete control?

I've never seen a demand from Harbaugh that he would want complete control. Most on the talking head show's however indicate they believe he would want to be "the man" within whatever organization he chooses.

Yes, I agree they should work in concert. I also have to believe that with what has already been done to him ala Saturday, that if Harbaugh were to come here, shit, man how could you not feel like you were just a token figure with no real influence and no perceived value? I know I would feel that way. So if it happens and he stays, would just seem to be a situation of not really caring and kinda liking the cush nature of the gig and thus sort of just tagging along for the perks.

rcubed
01-12-2023, 02:36 PM
I've never seen a demand from Harbaugh that he would want complete control. Most on the talking head show's however indicate they believe he would want to be "the man" within whatever organization he chooses.

Yes, I agree they should work in concert. I also have to believe that with what has already been done to him ala Saturday, that if Harbaugh were to come here, shit, man how could you not feel like you were just a token figure with no real influence and no perceived value? I know I would feel that way. So if it happens and he stays, would just seem to be a situation of not really caring and kinda liking the cush nature of the gig and thus sort of just tagging along for the perks.
fine. but the way you phrased in before stating "just proves to me he is a dude that is not really about anything other than ..." makes it sound like that's the way you already perceive ballard. I dont think that's the case. I think ballard thinks very highly of himself and his philosophy, but I also think that he is quite open to receiving input from his staff, coach, and irsay as seen in the draft videos they put out.

I would expect that if all decision making were removed from him then he would ask irsay to release him. you could see it in his face when saturday was introduced that he was not really on board, but ballard also knew it was just for an interim basis.

YDFL Commish
01-12-2023, 06:33 PM
My take is Reich, again was too weak of a leader to take control of roster control decisions. Probably saying things like, I'm not sure, I'll let you decide, we're fine with what we've got, that's above my pay grade...etc...etc...etc.

I mean how else can you explain, Nick Cross starting over Rodney Mcleod or Matt Pryor starting over my mailbox.

That should ultimately be the coaches decision. So Reich was either, blind, clueless, weak and got bullied by Ballard or didn't want that responsibility.

That's why Irsay had to step in.

ChoppedWood
01-12-2023, 11:00 PM
My take is Reich, again was too weak of a leader to take control of roster control decisions. Probably saying things like, I'm not sure, I'll let you decide, we're fine with what we've got, that's above my pay grade...etc...etc...etc.

I mean how else can you explain, Nick Cross starting over Rodney Mcleod or Matt Pryor starting over my mailbox.

That should ultimately be the coaches decision. So Reich was either, blind, clueless, weak and got bullied by Ballard or didn't want that responsibility.

That's why Irsay had to step in.

Yep, something along those lines. Chappy was on JMV tonight, tons of discussion around Ballard being retained, Chappy made the statement that there is something that Irsay sees in Ballard that he trusts. He then said "Ultimately he lost that trust in frank for a NUMBER of different reasons"- and he clearly enunciated the word NUMBER to add emphasis that he (Irsay) must have communicated a series of things he was tired of with Frank.

IndyNorm
01-14-2023, 05:32 PM
My take is Reich, again was too weak of a leader to take control of roster control decisions. Probably saying things like, I'm not sure, I'll let you decide, we're fine with what we've got, that's above my pay grade...etc...etc...etc.

I mean how else can you explain, Nick Cross starting over Rodney Mcleod or Matt Pryor starting over my mailbox.

That should ultimately be the coaches decision. So Reich was either, blind, clueless, weak and got bullied by Ballard or didn't want that responsibility.

That's why Irsay had to step in.

LMAO. This might be the best line of the season.

Dewey 5
01-14-2023, 10:57 PM
Watch Irsay just hire Saturday.

Discflinger
01-14-2023, 11:03 PM
I don’t know why I found that so funny. It’s a frightening prospect, but boss man is just the type to do it.

omahacolt
01-15-2023, 12:15 PM
Watch Irsay just hire Saturday.

i fucking hope not

Brylok
01-15-2023, 12:44 PM
Watch Irsay just hire Saturday.

How would he even be able to assemble a staff? Who would be part of the "Saturday coaching tree"? Former player friends? Current or former ESPN analysts? Highschool coaching colleagues/acquaintances? Con artists, grifters, opportunists looking to make a buck? Nightmare scenario.

Brylok
01-15-2023, 01:21 PM
On second thought, they'd probably just keep everyone who's already there. They'd have to get a real offensive coordinator (Parks Frazier ain't it...lol), and maybe/probably a new O-line coach...but everyone else would just stay as is as long as nobody gets picked for a coaching position on another team (don't see that happening). It would definitely be the cheapest way to go. So, as of right now anyway, I expect Jeff Saturday will be the head coach.

JAFF
01-15-2023, 03:22 PM
On second thought, they'd probably just keep everyone who's already there. They'd have to get a real offensive coordinator (Parks Frazier ain't it...lol), and maybe/probably a new O-line coach...but everyone else would just stay as is as long as nobody gets picked for a coaching position on another team (don't see that happening). It would definitely be the cheapest way to go. So, as of right now anyway, I expect Jeff Saturday will be the head coach.

I will say this about Parks Frazier, older veteran coaches were given a chance to take the OC job, and turned it down. F@ck those guys, they had a chance to step up and help the team, and they bailed on the opportunity. I wouldnt hired the special teams coach, he had a chance to audition, show what he could do. He’s not going to be on my team let alone a coordinator.

If I’m the owner, who ever is he head coach, Parks Frazier will be on the staff. He stepped up, into a crappy situation. He took one for the team, the Colts owe him.

ChaosTheory
01-15-2023, 04:28 PM
Parks Frazier may have scabbed in when nobody else would (for different reasons), but he didn't show anything that warrants him being appointed OC. He was only a 30yo assistant QB coach after all. Loyalty is one thing, performance is another.

Besides, I would imagine most of this offensive staff is gone. Unfortunately a new regime means there's a good chance we also lose our defensive staff that did a pretty good job

JAFF
01-15-2023, 04:38 PM
Parks Frazier may have scabbed in when nobody else would (for different reasons), but he didn't show anything that warrants him being appointed OC. He was only a 30yo assistant QB coach after all. Loyalty is one thing, performance is another.

Besides, I would imagine most of this offensive staff is gone. Unfortunately a new regime means there's a good chance we also lose our defensive staff that did a pretty good job

Calling him a scab is horse shit. He was hired by Jim Irsay, thats where his loyalty was. I didnt say he was great, he was brave to take on an impossible task and give his best. Thats why I would keep him. He didnt quit on the team

Hoopsdoc
01-15-2023, 05:00 PM
I will say this about Parks Frazier, older veteran coaches were given a chance to take the OC job, and turned it down. F@ck those guys, they had a chance to step up and help the team, and they bailed on the opportunity. I wouldnt hired the special teams coach, he had a chance to audition, show what he could do. He’s not going to be on my team let alone a coordinator.

If I’m the owner, who ever is he head coach, Parks Frazier will be on the staff. He stepped up, into a crappy situation. He took one for the team, the Colts owe him.

Are you high?

Parks Frazier sucks balls.

Colts had the worst scoring offense in the league and it didn’t get any better after Frazier took over even though the OLine was marginally better.

ChoppedWood
01-15-2023, 05:00 PM
What the hell are you talking about? Since when are roster decisions the responsibility of the coach?

That’s the damn gms job. He acquires the players and the coach coaches them.

The coach should have input, but the final decision is always with the general manager unless you’re Sean Payton or Belicheat.

Stop with this bullshit of trying to blame everything on Frank. Zak Keefer talked about that on one percent better. There is a concerted effort to lay all of the blame at Reichs feet and it’s just not accurate.

Now Franks hands are dirty for sure but he’s not solely to blame. I’d argue he’s not even the most to blame.

Using the above as the logic, then you are obligated to fire both Frank and Ballard on snap # 2 of the season after Matt Pryor was allowed to start the season at LT. Ballard for him being here and Frank for allowing him to start.

Hoopsdoc
01-15-2023, 05:03 PM
Using the above as the logic, then you are obligated to fire both Frank and Ballard on snap # 2 of the season after Matt Pryor was allowed to start the season at LT. Ballard for him being here and Frank for allowing him to start.

Who else was Frank supposed to start? Raimann wasn’t ready and Kelly turned out to be not much better when he did play.

He didn’t have any other options. That’s on Ballard.

ChoppedWood
01-15-2023, 05:03 PM
Are you high?

Parks Frazier sucks balls.

Colts had the worst scoring offense in the league and it didn’t get any better after Frazier took over even though the OLine was marginally better.

Yeah, he sucks. So was that Frank's play book and there just wasn't enough time to change it up so Park's just kept calling Frank's plays. Was it Park's and Frank put way too much faith in a guy that is really bad at NFL play design (perhaps one of the MANY things Irsay was tired of with Frank).

In either case, no fucking way he gets a chance to repeat the insanity of this year's laughable offensive design regardless of the talent on the field.

ChoppedWood
01-15-2023, 05:06 PM
Who else was Frank supposed to start? Raimann wasn’t ready and Kelly turned out to be not much better when he did play.

He didn’t have any other options. That’s on Ballard.

Yeah it is on Ballard for sure. Shit, I really don't know what to think. Was Frank so bad that he couldn't see in camp that he was awful and demand they sign fucking someone, anyone that had a couple clips of better film? Or, did Frank see it and just accept that Pryor was Ballard's stooge and he just went along with it?

Either scenario, is an indictment on both of them and stands as my primary piece of evidence that Ballard has no business being a GM.

Hoopsdoc
01-15-2023, 05:08 PM
Yeah, he sucks. So was that Frank's play book and there just wasn't enough time to change it up so Park's just kept calling Frank's plays. Was it Park's and Frank put way too much faith in a guy that is really bad at NFL play design (perhaps one of the MANY things Irsay was tired of with Frank).

In either case, no fucking way he gets a chance to repeat the insanity of this year's laughable offensive design regardless of the talent on the field.

Frank was never bad at coaching offense until this season. His offenses were always top half of the league at minimum.

The struggles on offense this year were CAUSED BY THE AWFUL OLINE, not because Frank forgot how to coach.

Jesus tap dancing Christ.

Have you not watched any games before this season?

JAFF
01-15-2023, 05:42 PM
Are you high?

Parks Frazier sucks balls.

Colts had the worst scoring offense in the league and it didn’t get any better after Frazier took over even though the OLine was marginally better.

Are you stupid? Someone needed to be the OC. The veteran coaches were pussies and wouldnt even TRY to help the team. Frazier, gave it his best. He STEPED UP. The others chickened out. He is a young guy, he can learn. Courage is found, not tripped over.

Hoopsdoc
01-15-2023, 05:49 PM
Are you stupid? Someone needed to be the OC. The veteran coaches were pussies and wouldnt even TRY to help the team. Frazier, gave it his best. He STEPED UP. The others chickened out. He is a young guy, he can learn. Courage is found, not tripped over.

No, the others were smart. Their name isn’t attached to this pathetic debacle that was the Colts after Irsay hired an ESPN analyst as head coach

I don’t blame them a bit for that.

In fact, I question Fraziers intelligence for ever agreeing to be part of what was obviously going to be a disaster.

ChaosTheory
01-15-2023, 05:54 PM
You can't simply blame one or the other. Ballard admitted they fucked up thinking Nelson, Kelly, and Smith could "absorb" Pryor and Pinter, as he put it. Well none of them played up to standard so that plan failed impressively.

But everything we've seen from those two indicates a lot of collaboration. They both were good with the above plan. And they were both wrong. One didn't fuck the other, which is what everyone wants to make it out to be.

Brylok
01-15-2023, 06:01 PM
I will say this about Parks Frazier...

Looks like you mixed the wrong chemicals, chief. Be careful.

JAFF
01-15-2023, 06:02 PM
No, the others were smart. Their name isn’t attached to this pathetic debacle that was the Colts after Irsay hired an ESPN analyst as head coach

I don’t blame them a bit for that.

In fact, I question Fraziers intelligence for ever agreeing to be part of what was obviously going to be a disaster.

Loyalty to the team? Not a pussy to bail when things got tough?

Hoopsdoc
01-15-2023, 06:36 PM
Loyalty to the team? Not a pussy to bail when things got tough?

Why show loyalty to a franchise that is clearly setting you up to fail and who will cut ties in a heartbeat?

I have no problem whatsoever with coaches not wanting to be associated with the 2022 Colts.

JAFF
01-15-2023, 06:41 PM
Why show loyalty to a franchise that is clearly setting you up to fail and who will cut ties in a heartbeat?

I have no problem whatsoever with coaches not wanting to be associated with the 2022 Colts.

All the smarts as a coach means nothing without the courage to take on a tough job and risk failure

Dewey 5
01-15-2023, 06:42 PM
Just offer Ben Johnson the job this week before we lose him. Maybe that's Irsay's plan. Drag feet & hire Saturday.

Hoopsdoc
01-15-2023, 06:45 PM
All the smarts as a coach means nothing without the courage to take on a tough job and risk failure

There is a difference between being courageous and being foolish.

Taking the Colts offensive coordinator job in 2022 was foolish.

There was no possibility of success.

The roster on offense, specifically the offensive line, was just to bad.

ChaosTheory
01-15-2023, 06:58 PM
Just offer Ben Johnson the job this week before we lose him. Maybe that's Irsay's plan. Drag feet & hire Saturday.

I see guys showing excitement for Ben Johnson, which is fine. But some of these guys I read/hear are guys I know bitched about Frank being buried in his play sheet and not a HC for the whole team.

I can't square that.

ChoppedWood
01-15-2023, 08:27 PM
Frank was never bad at coaching offense until this season. His offenses were always top half of the league at minimum.

The struggles on offense this year were CAUSED BY THE AWFUL OLINE, not because Frank forgot how to coach.

Jesus tap dancing Christ.

Have you not watched any games before this season?

Our offense was dog ass last year sans the stretch of games where Taylor went absolutely bonkers.

Lest we forget, we were 0-3 and 1-4 through 5 last year (hmmm a good coach constantly coming out of the gate with horrible starts... yeah that's not really what constitutes "good"). We were averaging a whopping 250 yards passing per game and a LOT of us were griping about how bad the passing game was and were bitching because Ballard had not stocked the WR room.

We then got the running game going (credit to Frank for at least finally recognizing we had a remarkable talent in the backfield and his golden boy was a complete fraud so he had to do something different). In the 8 game stretch in the middle of the season, we averaged 175 yards rushing per game and we did it against some really solid defenses as well. Let me also point out that during that stretch, we dominated the NFL in defensive turnovers with 2.5 per game (Leonard was going insane and pushing hard for DPOY). So our winning streak when everyone was saying we should be feared, had a high number of short fields to work with and allowed us to get into a lot of clock killing possessions where it was load JT up and just smash em'.

All of us recall the insanely bad offense in the last 2 games, but we should probably really look at the final 4 in total. In those final FOUR games, we averaged a comical 137 yards passing per game! We didn't necessarily burn the lights up on the running dial either as the average fell by nearly 40 yards per game from that incredible 8 game stretch.

His offense was not some prolific juggernaut last year. But, many thought the problems at the end of the year were:
1- Wentz
1A- Wentz
1B- Wentz
2- WR
3- Pass Blocking

Jump into this year, and instead it could easily be interpreted that the real problem was teams knew all we had was a running game and were going to sit on that knowing his scheme wasn't gonna do shit through the air. One could easily read into that that Frank Reich WAS bad at offense and basically his play book was understood and easily defended.

Different QB, same disastrous result. Insert another QB, more horrible results. No explosiveness at all. Weird gimmicky shit in clutch moments. Tons and tons of throws into the flat for 2 yard gains; shit it seemed like some of our plays the check down was the 1st option in the progression. Tons of shotgun runs into the B gap with one of the most explosive runners in the game NEVER seeing an outside pitch for some fucking reason despite having what WAS one of the games best ever pulling guards.

Now, I will give you that the Rivers year, was far better than either of the last 2. But I will also point out that during the final 4 games of that year, we averaged a meager 217 passing yards a game. Was that because the league had adjusted and was just sitting on his passing scheme?

To me, Frank was good, when he had Luck, who was going to make any OC, gonna make me, look good- outside of the fairly common picks that were part of his aggressive nature, Luck was a phenom. Luck was a Josh Allen level of QB- he could do incredible things.

But Frank with average or sub par talent, nah man, nothing to substantiate him being good at anything really, and thus he doesn't have a job.

IndyNorm
01-16-2023, 10:59 AM
You can't simply blame one or the other. Ballard admitted they fucked up thinking Nelson, Kelly, and Smith could "absorb" Pryor and Pinter, as he put it. Well none of them played up to standard so that plan failed impressively.

But everything we've seen from those two indicates a lot of collaboration. They both were good with the above plan. And they were both wrong. One didn't fuck the other, which is what everyone wants to make it out to be.

Could be wrong, but I have a hard time believing Reich would have been happy w/ that plan considering how critical the LT position is. Even if Nelson, Kelly, and Smith would have played worth a shit this year the OL probably still would have struggled due to not having a good LT (although not near as bad as what happened I'm sure).

ChaosTheory
01-16-2023, 02:24 PM
Could be wrong, but I have a hard time believing Reich would have been happy w/ that plan considering how critical the LT position is. Even if Nelson, Kelly, and Smith would have played worth a shit this year the OL probably still would have struggled due to not having a good LT (although not near as bad as what happened I'm sure).

Well, what do we mean by "happy"? Until we get another anchor like Castonzo, you can't really be happy. But we can't treat it like it's just a matter of running to the grocery store because we're out of eggs. They didn't like the FA tackle market for whatever reason (money, age, injury, etc.).

With how collaborative and open to input they seem to be... I have an equally hard time believing that Ballard and Reich didn't watch tape together and determine Pryor did alright (as Ballard said before the season). I can't see either of them not signing off on the plan to roll with Pryor, draft a kid they like, and have him take over as that anchor. In the meantime, three studs on the OL from the previous few years would take up the slack.

They were wrong. Pryor was awful. Couple that with the most INSANE lack of ball security I've personally ever witnessed and you have a true disaster. Hopefully the vets return to form. If so, I think at the end of an ugly road, we may actually have that anchor at LT.

IndyNorm
01-16-2023, 04:44 PM
Well, what do we mean by "happy"? Until we get another anchor like Castonzo, you can't really be happy. But we can't treat it like it's just a matter of running to the grocery store because we're out of eggs. They didn't like the FA tackle market for whatever reason (money, age, injury, etc.).

With how collaborative and open to input they seem to be... I have an equally hard time believing that Ballard and Reich didn't watch tape together and determine Pryor did alright (as Ballard said before the season). I can't see either of them not signing off on the plan to roll with Pryor, draft a kid they like, and have him take over as that anchor. In the meantime, three studs on the OL from the previous few years would take up the slack.

They were wrong. Pryor was awful. Couple that with the most INSANE lack of ball security I've personally ever witnessed and you have a true disaster. Hopefully the vets return to form. If so, I think at the end of an ugly road, we may actually have that anchor at LT.

Maybe happy is the wrong word. I just find it hard to believe that people in the Colts organization (Reich, etc.) didn't think that handing the starting LT spot to Pryor was a bad idea. There were a lot of us on the board who felt it was a really bad move, and you would think guys like Reich would have forgotten more about football than schlubs like us know about the game. Of course you would also think Ballard would know the importance of the LT position, but based on his actions and comments I don't think he does.

At any rate, water under the bridge I suppose. Hopefully Raimann is the answer at LT and the OL gets back to playing at least decent football again next year. We'll see if Ballard has learned his lesson and at least hedges the position, but I kind of doubt it.

Coltsalr
01-16-2023, 05:59 PM
https://twitter.com/santajono/status/1615104305022869526?s=46&t=h24Y8ZZLxTZHS23CbFh74g

Pain

ChoppedWood
01-16-2023, 06:03 PM
https://twitter.com/santajono/status/1615104305022869526?s=46&t=h24Y8ZZLxTZHS23CbFh74g

Pain

Sad

We are so fucked

Dewey 5
01-16-2023, 06:14 PM
https://twitter.com/santajono/status/1615104305022869526?s=46&t=h24Y8ZZLxTZHS23CbFh74g

Pain

No surprise. He wasn’t going to leave Michigan. I don’t know why some thought he would.

Brylok
01-16-2023, 06:19 PM
Jeff Saturday or Leslie Frazier here we go.

rcubed
01-16-2023, 06:35 PM
Jeff Saturday or Leslie Frazier here we go.
down vote please

Oldcolt
01-16-2023, 06:44 PM
That doesn't mean shit (Harbaugh saying he is staying in Michigan). People change their minds all the time. Nobody has any idea what people are thinking or even who will end up being the best head coach out of the bunch. It is a crap shoot (except for proven failures like Saturday).

Indystu2
01-16-2023, 07:23 PM
That doesn't mean shit (Harbaugh saying he is staying in Michigan). People change their minds all the time. Nobody has any idea what people are thinking or even who will end up being the best head coach out of the bunch. It is a crap shoot (except for proven failures like Saturday).

!. Hire a weasel liar who says they will stay then bail at the last minute (like Sabin) and that's what you will get. I would not want that kind of character to head my football club.

2. Whoever they hire has a TON of work to do over multiple seasons. Good luck with that.

JAFF
01-16-2023, 07:53 PM
That doesn't mean shit (Harbaugh saying he is staying in Michigan). People change their minds all the time. Nobody has any idea what people are thinking or even who will end up being the best head coach out of the bunch. It is a crap shoot (except for proven failures like Saturday).


https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2023/01/16/colts-coaching-search-big-names-jim-harbaugh-sean-payton-out/69812648007/

I doubt he will change his mind for this year

Dewey 5
01-16-2023, 09:19 PM
Jeff Saturday or Leslie Frazier here we go.

More than likely. Gross

Chromeburn
01-17-2023, 01:42 PM
Maybe happy is the wrong word. I just find it hard to believe that people in the Colts organization (Reich, etc.) didn't think that handing the starting LT spot to Pryor was a bad idea. There were a lot of us on the board who felt it was a really bad move, and you would think guys like Reich would have forgotten more about football than schlubs like us know about the game. Of course you would also think Ballard would know the importance of the LT position, but based on his actions and comments I don't think he does.

At any rate, water under the bridge I suppose. Hopefully Raimann is the answer at LT and the OL gets back to playing at least decent football again next year. We'll see if Ballard has learned his lesson and at least hedges the position, but I kind of doubt it.

One of my criticisms of Ballard is that he likes to clear a path for a rookie to come in, get playing time and take over a position. Whereas other teams like the Bills would bring in more redundancy. I think Kelly was some redundancy but he was hurt at the beginning of the year.

Pryor was so bad though, not sure why they just didn’t play Raimann. Maybe they thought Pryor would raise his game.

Dewey 5
01-17-2023, 09:41 PM
Take Ben Johnson off the list. He decided to stay with the Lions. Meaning he had little interest of going to any of these teams needing a coach.

apballin
01-17-2023, 11:57 PM
I’m actually good with Dan Quinn, pairing him back up with Bradley is fine with me

Chromeburn
01-18-2023, 06:02 PM
Take Ben Johnson off the list. He decided to stay with the Lions. Meaning he had little interest of going to any of these teams needing a coach.

Rumors his interviews were kinda meh too.

I’m for Demeco Ryan’s, if not him Morris.

IndyNorm
01-19-2023, 07:38 PM
One of my criticisms of Ballard is that he likes to clear a path for a rookie to come in, get playing time and take over a position. Whereas other teams like the Bills would bring in more redundancy. I think Kelly was some redundancy but he was hurt at the beginning of the year.

Pryor was so bad though, not sure why they just didn’t play Raimann. Maybe they thought Pryor would raise his game.

And your criticism is valid since that strategy leads to things like no pass rush, horrible OL play, lack of playmakers at WR, etc., etc. etc.

rm1369
01-19-2023, 08:11 PM
And your criticism is valid since that strategy leads to things like no pass rush, horrible OL play, lack of playmakers at WR, etc., etc. etc.

I wonder how it’s perceived in the locker room. It would piss me off knowing year after year they are more focused on development than winning.

Dewey 5
01-19-2023, 11:39 PM
Bengals OC Brian Callahan will interview tomorrow.

IndyNorm
01-20-2023, 12:00 AM
I wonder how it’s perceived in the locker room. It would piss me off knowing year after year they are more focused on development than winning.

It can't go over well. Probably one of the reasons why are players don't seem to give a shit when we lose.

rm1369
01-20-2023, 09:27 AM
Bengals OC Brian Callahan will interview tomorrow.

The more people they interview the more I’m convinced they will “determine” Saturday is the best candidate.

CletusPyle
01-20-2023, 09:36 AM
Bengals OC Brian Callahan will interview tomorrow.

Shouldn't he be preparing for the Bills?

Brylok
01-20-2023, 12:53 PM
It can't go over well. Probably one of the reasons why are players don't seem to give a shit when we lose.

Hines and Patmon escaped to Buffalo of all places and have a chance to win a super bowl. The Colts are years away from that. I truly wonder how many Colts players (and who) want to leave. I imagine it would have to be several.

njcoltfan
01-20-2023, 03:40 PM
I wonder how long it will be before the Colt's offer the HC position to someone?

rcubed
01-20-2023, 04:19 PM
after superbowl? I think they said they would take their time and work the process. I think most of what has transpired so far are remote interviews to then narrow to a short list where in person/in depth interviews will take place.

JAFF
01-20-2023, 05:41 PM
Shouldn't he be preparing for the Bills?

Probably the same gameplan they didnt get to use.

Brylok
01-20-2023, 08:11 PM
I wonder how long it will be before the Colt's offer the HC position to someone?

Middle of February? We have almost another month of this...

Dewey 5
01-20-2023, 09:51 PM
I wonder how long it will be before the Colt's offer the HC position to someone?

Sometime after the Super Bowl is my guess. Unless Irsay has totally lost his mind & gives the job to Saturday.

JAFF
01-20-2023, 10:09 PM
Sometime after the Super Bowl is my guess. Unless Irsay has totally lost his mind & gives the job to Saturday.

The team is interviewing a wide spectrum, what is wrong with that. If Irsay hired the first person interviewed people would lose their collective shit.

My prediction, they will hire a HC before camp starts

IndyNorm
01-21-2023, 10:48 AM
The team is interviewing a wide spectrum, what is wrong with that. If Irsay hired the first person interviewed people would lose their collective shit.

My prediction, they will hire a HC before camp starts

Nothing wrong with casting a wide net. Also, I believe you're not allowed to officially hire a coach while their team is still playing. I actually don't think any team has hired a new coach yet. At least I haven't seen anything.

IndyNorm
01-21-2023, 10:51 AM
Hines and Patmon escaped to Buffalo of all places and have a chance to win a super bowl. The Colts are years away from that. I truly wonder how many Colts players (and who) want to leave. I imagine it would have to be several.

I'm sure quite a few of them. Didn't realize that Patmon went to Buffalo. Guess they claimed him off waivers or off of our PS? Doesn't look like he's played much (if at all) there.

Dewey 5
01-21-2023, 03:27 PM
The team is interviewing a wide spectrum, what is wrong with that. If Irsay hired the first person interviewed people would lose their collective shit.

My prediction, they will hire a HC before camp starts

I didn't say anything was wrong with that. Just said I think it will after the SB.

Colts And Orioles
01-21-2023, 04:12 PM
There's nothing wrong with casting a wide net. l Also, I believe you're not allowed to officially hire a coach while their team is still playing. l I actually don't think that any team has hired a new coach yet ...... at least I haven't seen anything.





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Imagine seeing Zac Taylor run out on onto the field in the AFC championship game next Sunday wearing an Indianapolis Colts hat.

o

Dewey 5
01-21-2023, 05:28 PM
o


Imagine seeing Zac Taylor run out on onto the field in the AFC championship game next Sunday wearing an Indianapolis Colts hat.

o

The Bengals head coach wearing a Colts hat?

apballin
01-21-2023, 06:48 PM
Florio said Bienemy has a “real shot “ at the Colts job. Colts expected to have 5 guys back for 2nd interviews

Dam8610
01-21-2023, 06:53 PM
Florio said Bienemy has a “real shot “ at the Colts job. Colts expected to have 5 guys back for 2nd interviews

Gross

Lov2fish
01-21-2023, 08:16 PM
Gross

Let me guess, you want Urban Myer?

CletusPyle
01-21-2023, 08:35 PM
I have to believe the Colts will bring in DeMeco Ryans! I mean why wouldn't you?

Colts And Orioles
01-21-2023, 09:06 PM
The Bengals head coach wearing a Colts hat ???





o


Yes ...... see the highlighted portion of the post that I quoted.

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Dam8610
01-22-2023, 02:54 AM
Let me guess, you want Urban Myer?

Callahan or Ryans would be my choice knowing nothing about them other than the results of the units they're currently coaching.