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albany ed
12-20-2022, 11:50 AM
Do you think the Colts should trade up and draft a QB?
If yes, who do you think they should target?
Dewey 5
12-20-2022, 12:35 PM
They may not need to trade up
YDFL Commish
12-20-2022, 02:11 PM
As it stands right now, of the QB needy teams that have a 1st rd pick, we have the ability to get the 2nd QB drafted.
I'm predicting that the Texans will take Bryce Young at #1.
The problem being that none of the QB's in this draft appear to be of the caliber of a Mahomes, Allen, Herbert etc.
Lov2fish
12-20-2022, 02:46 PM
As it stands right now, of the QB needy teams that have a 1st rd pick, we have the ability to get the 2nd QB drafted.
I'm predicting that the Texans will take Bryce Young at #1.
The problem being that none of the QB's in this draft appear to be of the caliber of a Mahomes, Allen, Herbert etc.
This is true, but there are a couple who's ceiling matches those guys play. With the state of our QB room how do we not take that chance on one of them? If it fails or the potential is not there, we do it again next year, and the next year etc. This franchise is not going anywhere without "HIM" under center.
Hoopsdoc
12-20-2022, 03:23 PM
As it stands right now, of the QB needy teams that have a 1st rd pick, we have the ability to get the 2nd QB drafted.
I'm predicting that the Texans will take Bryce Young at #1.
The problem being that none of the QB's in this draft appear to be of the caliber of a Mahomes, Allen, Herbert etc.
That’s assuming none of the other teams who want a qb trade up.
omahacolt
12-20-2022, 03:57 PM
i think we will stay put
i am hoping for Levis right now. that may change
rcubed
12-20-2022, 03:58 PM
This is true, but there are a couple who's ceiling matches those guys play. With the state of our QB room how do we not take that chance on one of them? If it fails or the potential is not there, we do it again next year, and the next year etc. This franchise is not going anywhere without "HIM" under center.
except dont you need to give a rookie QB a bit of time to adjust to the league, find himself, and settle in? Unless you think you have a cant-miss-QB like manning or luck you shouldnt make that determination after one season unless he's a colossal fuck up.
Lov2fish
12-20-2022, 04:48 PM
except dont you need to give a rookie QB a bit of time to adjust to the league, find himself, and settle in? Unless you think you have a cant-miss-QB like manning or luck you shouldnt make that determination after one season unless he's a colossal fuck up.
Yes, I meant in general, if it doesn't work, do it again. I didn't necessarily mean the next year. Should have clarified, my bad.
apballin
12-20-2022, 05:21 PM
Got a gut feeling it’ll be Levis
Lov2fish
12-20-2022, 07:48 PM
Got a gut feeling it’ll be Levis
I won't be mad. His ceiling is a Josh Allen type QB, his floor is Ryan Leaf. Depends on how well we develop him. He is mentally and physically tough.
Spike
12-20-2022, 07:52 PM
I won't be mad. His ceiling is a Josh Allen type QB, his floor is Ryan Leaf. Depends on how well we develop him. He is mentally and physically tough.
If he is mentally tough, he won't turn into Ryan Leaf.
YDFL Commish
12-20-2022, 07:56 PM
I won't be mad. His ceiling is a Josh Allen type QB, his floor is Ryan Leaf. Depends on how well we develop him. He is mentally and physically tough.
Levis is way more mentally prepared to be an NFL QB than Leaf ever was. My floor is Jay Cutler.
I believe that we take Levis. Remember Herbert had questions when he came out, because he was never named captain and wasn't super outgoing. He has certainly disproved those thoughts.
Lov2fish
12-20-2022, 08:09 PM
If he is mentally tough, he won't turn into Ryan Leaf.
With the current staff he could end up in the fetal position on the floor of the weight room by game 4
Lov2fish
12-20-2022, 08:11 PM
Levis is way more mentally prepared to be an NFL QB than Leaf ever was. My floor is Jay Cutler.
I believe that we take Levis. Remember Herbert had questions when he came out, because he was never named captain and wasn't super outgoing. He has certainly disproved those thoughts.
That's a pretty fair floor. Damn, I always forget about Cutler. Leaf had all the talent in the world. The 8 inches between the ears done him in.
Levis is way more mentally prepared to be an NFL QB than Leaf ever was. My floor is Jay Cutler.
I believe that we take Levis. Remember Herbert had questions when he came out, because he was never named captain and wasn't super outgoing. He has certainly disproved those thoughts.
I’ve got a 9 year old grand son who is more together than Ryan Leaf. I hope Levis is more mature than the kid with the Jets
Hendon Hooker. Look up his stats compare them to the other and then remember he didn't play a whole season. THEN watch the kid on youtube.
Don't care how old he is. No idea why a yr in age older means anything in the NFL
I'm not posting links google it fuckers
Dam8610
12-21-2022, 12:08 AM
Do you think the Colts should trade up and draft a QB?
If yes, who do you think they should target?
I'm hoping they end up with the #3 pick and don't have to trade up, and I'm also hoping C.J. Stroud will be available at that pick.
Dam8610
12-21-2022, 12:11 AM
Hendon Hooker. Look up his stats compare them to the other and then remember he didn't play a whole season. THEN watch the kid on youtube.
Don't care how old he is. No idea why a yr in age older means anything in the NFL
I'm not posting links google it fuckers
Way too inconsistent and inaccurate. Basically take Levis's issues, increase all of them by 10x, and you have Hendon Hooker.
Dam8610
12-21-2022, 12:12 AM
Levis is way more mentally prepared to be an NFL QB than Leaf ever was. My floor is Jay Cutler.
I believe that we take Levis. Remember Herbert had questions when he came out, because he was never named captain and wasn't super outgoing. He has certainly disproved those thoughts.
How do you look past the accuracy and ball security issues? I understand he has the arm, but JaMarcus Russell still has the best pure arm I've ever seen on a QB. It takes a lot more than that to succeed in the NFL.
omahacolt
12-21-2022, 02:00 PM
Hendon Hooker. Look up his stats compare them to the other and then remember he didn't play a whole season. THEN watch the kid on youtube.
Don't care how old he is. No idea why a yr in age older means anything in the NFL
I'm not posting links google it fuckers
i don't mind taking Hooker later. kind of a washington rg3 and cousins draft.
YDFL Commish
12-21-2022, 02:12 PM
How do you look past the accuracy and ball security issues? I understand he has the arm, but JaMarcus Russell still has the best pure arm I've ever seen on a QB. It takes a lot more than that to succeed in the NFL.
From what I've seen of Levis is his accuracy issues stem from poor footwork. His accuracy is not that bad though, after all he's completed better than 65% of his passes the last 2 seasons.
One thing I do like about him is his willingness to stand tall in a dirty pocket and deliver the ball.
Lov2fish
12-21-2022, 03:02 PM
Hooker is meh, and Stroud is a no. Damn endorsing him should be a sure sign he sucks, not to mention he does suck.
I would draft Richardson before either one of those QB's.
Levis is the most NFL ready this year, and he needs some work. There are no can't miss generational QB's coming out in the next few years.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1605410774444544001
Dam8610
12-22-2022, 09:39 AM
From what I've seen of Levis is his accuracy issues stem from poor footwork. His accuracy is not that bad though, after all he's completed better than 65% of his passes the last 2 seasons.
One thing I do like about him is his willingness to stand tall in a dirty pocket and deliver the ball.
That just screams Carson Wentz 2.0. I'll be all about Levis developing if the Colts draft him, but I'd much rather have one of the near finished products in Young or Stroud.
Hooker is meh, and Stroud is a no. Damn endorsing him should be a sure sign he sucks, not to mention he does suck.
I would draft Richardson before either one of those QB's.
Levis is the most NFL ready this year, and he needs some work. There are no can't miss generational QB's coming out in the next few years.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1605410774444544001
What's your issue with Stroud, honestly? I couldn't find a weakness in his game. He has the arm to make any NFL throw, his ball placement, accuracy, and touch on throws is almost always on point, he was making NFL caliber reads in the games I watched, and he uses his athleticism exactly the way a QB should, to escape pressure and keep his eyes downfield to find the open receiver that results from that, only running when he has no other option.
"He sucks" is a baseless opinion unless you actually bring some evidence to back it up.
Lov2fish
12-22-2022, 04:02 PM
That just screams Carson Wentz 2.0. I'll be all about Levis developing if the Colts draft him, but I'd much rather have one of the near finished products in Young or Stroud.
What's your issue with Stroud, honestly? I couldn't find a weakness in his game. He has the arm to make any NFL throw, his ball placement, accuracy, and touch on throws is almost always on point, he was making NFL caliber reads in the games I watched, and he uses his athleticism exactly the way a QB should, to escape pressure and keep his eyes downfield to find the open receiver that results from that, only running when he has no other option.
"He sucks" is a baseless opinion unless you actually bring some evidence to back it up.
He bails on the play at the first sign of a rush. His accuracy to me is just meh. Nobody denies his athleticism, gifted. He overreacts to situational football and adlibs far to often. When it works great, when it doesn't (Most of the time) it is horrible. Defensive coordinators will have him figured out in no team and feast on his mistakes and poor football IQ.
albany ed
12-22-2022, 05:40 PM
CJ Stroud may be the most NFL ready QB in the history of Ohio State. But, given their track record, that's not saying much.
HoosierinFL
12-22-2022, 05:58 PM
Hooker is meh, and Stroud is a no. Damn endorsing him should be a sure sign he sucks, not to mention he does suck.
I would draft Richardson before either one of those QB's.
Levis is the most NFL ready this year, and he needs some work. There are no can't miss generational QB's coming out in the next few years.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1605410774444544001
Yep, Levis is my #1 and Richardson is #2. I wouldn’t touch any of the other qbs in this draft. Penix maybe in the 3rd round.
CletusPyle
12-22-2022, 08:18 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q49qoReWWOY
I don't like him not playing in the Music City Bowl against Iowa...I realize he doesn't want to get hurt before the draft, but I would like him better if he went out there and competed with his teammates!
Dam8610
12-22-2022, 08:51 PM
He bails on the play at the first sign of a rush. His accuracy to me is just meh. Nobody denies his athleticism, gifted. He overreacts to situational football and adlibs far to often. When it works great, when it doesn't (Most of the time) it is horrible. Defensive coordinators will have him figured out in no team and feast on his mistakes and poor football IQ.
Are you talking about his tendency to escape pressure and roll out? How do you see that as a negative? He's literally creating passing lanes and yardage. Also, you like Levis but call Stroud's accuracy "meh"? If Stroud's ball placement and accuracy are "meh", Levis's are "disastrous" on that scale. So are many starting NFL QBs. What games of Stroud did you watch? Curious because I'd like to watch them.
CJ Stroud may be the most NFL ready QB in the history of Ohio State. But, given their track record, that's not saying much.
Cal never had a QB the caliber of Aaron Rodgers, until they did.
BCN#1
12-23-2022, 11:40 AM
Hendon Hooker.
hahaha...he said "Hooker"..... who doesn´t want to have a Hooker? :D
Lov2fish
12-23-2022, 01:29 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q49qoReWWOY
I don't like him not playing in the Music City Bowl against Iowa...I realize he doesn't want to get hurt before the draft, but I would like him better if he went out there and competed with his teammates!
It sucks, but I understand it. He is a projected top 5 pick. A career ending injury, or entering the draft recovering from an injury can hurt his stock, or whether he is drafted at all.
omahacolt
12-23-2022, 05:05 PM
It sucks, but I understand it. He is a projected top 5 pick. A career ending injury, or entering the draft recovering from an injury can hurt his stock, or whether he is drafted at all.
yeah. potentially millions on the line.
it sucks but i get it 100%
TheMugwump
12-24-2022, 04:39 PM
Do you think the Colts should trade up and draft a QB?
If yes, who do you think they should target?
Absolutely not.
But do they take the best available OT, WR, or DE?
And yeah, if things continue the way they have been, they may have a top-3 pick.
Still, no QB worthy of a top 16 pick this year.
nate505
12-24-2022, 06:53 PM
It sucks, but I understand it. He is a projected top 5 pick. A career ending injury, or entering the draft recovering from an injury can hurt his stock, or whether he is drafted at all.
Yup, And for what, a possible victory in the prestigious Music City Bowl? Guess he'll miss out on that $300 of Bowl swag though.
Dam8610
12-25-2022, 10:16 AM
Absolutely not.
But do they take the best available OT, WR, or DE?
And yeah, if things continue the way they have been, they may have a top-3 pick.
Still, no QB worthy of a top 16 pick this year.
Bryce Young and CJ Stroud certainly are. Beyond those two I would agree.
Cal never had a QB the caliber of Aaron Rodgers, until they did.
I understand that. But Cal usually cant get the top players because they are Cal. So Oregon, UCLA, USC, Utah kick their ass. Being like Purdue, they have strict guild lines on grades. Every once and awhile an Aaron Rogers drops into their lap. Josh Allen winds up in Wyoming, gets his first chance at better competition, how often does that happen.
My problem with Ohio St, ( other than being assholes from Ohio) is that they play a soft schedule and tend to lose to teams who play a tougher schedule. Is there a successful Qb in the NFL from OSU right now?
Dam8610
12-25-2022, 08:51 PM
I understand that. But Cal usually cant get the top players because they are Cal. So Oregon, UCLA, USC, Utah kick their ass. Being like Purdue, they have strict guild lines on grades. Every once and awhile an Aaron Rogers drops into their lap. Josh Allen winds up in Wyoming, gets his first chance at better competition, how often does that happen.
My problem with Ohio St, ( other than being assholes from Ohio) is that they play a soft schedule and tend to lose to teams who play a tougher schedule. Is there a successful Qb in the NFL from OSU right now?
Unless you count Fields, who the jury is still out on, no, because OSU isn't historically known for their QBs (whereas, ironically to what you said above, Purdue is). Neither is Alabama, but Tua and Hurts are having some pretty good success right now. That's the point. With college football essentially consolidating itself into powerhouse conferences with super powerhouse schools (like Alabama and OSU), things like that are going to continue happening. School history has never been less important to evaluating a prospect because of the massive consolidation of college football in recent times.
Dewey 5
12-29-2022, 08:55 PM
Bryce Young and CJ Stroud certainly are. Beyond those two I would agree.
How Stroud preforms against that monstrous Georgia defense will tell us a lot about him.
Lov2fish
12-30-2022, 11:26 AM
How Stroud preforms against that monstrous Georgia defense will tell us a lot about him.
Yep. I want to see him have a respectable game against a legit "D" If he comes out and plays well against them I would have no quams of him over Levis, but that is a tall order. Levis has taken a talent void team and played them into a bowl game. Not the same numbers he has had in previous years, but he put the team on his back and made guys around him better. Stroud doesn't do that. Watch him when the pocket gets dirty, he panics.
Young, no, just no. Outside his ability to scramble he is not "HIM" He is barely 6ft. if he is even 6"ft and weighs less than 200 pounds. He will get broken in short order. RG3 ring a bell?
Levis biggest knock is his foot work. This is fixable. Other than that he checks the boxes. Has the size, has the talent, has the arm strength, and a brawlers attitude
Hooker is meh, and Stroud is a no. Damn endorsing him should be a sure sign he sucks, not to mention he does suck.
I would draft Richardson before either one of those QB's.
Levis is the most NFL ready this year, and he needs some work. There are no can't miss generational QB's coming out in the next few years.
https://twitter.com/i/status/1605410774444544001
Not sure why you say meh
Hooker has better numbers than Young Levis and Richardson. And played less games Who cares if he's a little older. He can still give about 10 years to 35
https://www.espn.com/college-football/stats/player/_/group/8/table/passing/sort/passingYards/dir/desc
And you could get him in the 2nd or 3rd round and trade the #1 pick for a future pick and try to get Williams next yr
Colts And Orioles
12-30-2022, 06:27 PM
Do you think that the Colts should trade up, and draft a QB ???
If yes, who do you think that they should target ???
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I don't know, but it's a good topic for a thread.
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Dam8610
12-31-2022, 04:01 PM
Young, no, just no. Outside his ability to scramble he is not "HIM" He is barely 6ft. if he is even 6"ft and weighs less than 200 pounds. He will get broken in short order. RG3 ring a bell?
RGIII was 6'2" 223. Young compares more size wise (and game wise) to Russell Wilson (pre-hand injury) or Drew Brees.
Levis biggest knock is his foot work. This is fixable. Other than that he checks the boxes. Has the size, has the talent, has the arm strength, and a brawlers attitude
Sounds a lot like Carson Wentz, right down to the "fixable" footwork.
Lov2fish
12-31-2022, 10:03 PM
RGIII was 6'2" 223. Young compares more size wise (and game wise) to Russell Wilson (pre-hand injury) or Drew Brees.
Sounds a lot like Carson Wentz, right down to the "fixable" footwork.
I was referring to how easily he was broken. Young is far more fragile.
On a side note, it is early but Stroud is playing well. Not seeing the indecisiveness in a big game that I have seen in previous big games. See where it ends up at the end, but if this is the Stroud we get I'm in.
Dam8610
12-31-2022, 10:18 PM
I was referring to how easily he was broken. Young is far more fragile.
On a side note, it is early but Stroud is playing well. Not seeing the indecisiveness in a big game that I have seen in previous big games. See where it ends up at the end, but if this is the Stroud we get I'm in.
RGIII was a risk because of how much he ran the ball. Bryce Young is a good QB precisely because he uses his athleticism to stay in the pocket to make plays. That's the type of athletic QB that can have a long career.
Also, yes, CJ Stroud is destroying the best defense in college football. He will look great in a Colts uniform.
Dam8610
01-01-2023, 01:08 AM
Stroud just moved the ball up and down the field at will against the best defense in college football after losing his best receiver, tight end, and running back, and only lost because his kicker missed the game winning field goal attempt. I hope he's available when the Colts pick.
apballin
01-01-2023, 01:34 AM
Stroud just moved the ball up and down the field at will against the best defense in college football after losing his best receiver, tight end, and running back, and only lost because his kicker missed the game winning field goal attempt. I hope he's available when the Colts pick.
I’d still take Levi’s over him… extra time to prepare and he didn’t do shit once Harrison got injured.
Only beat 2 ranked teams all year Oline gave him all day to throw. Did I mention he played for Ohio State
Discflinger
01-01-2023, 04:33 AM
Trade for the best QB. I have always loved Carr, but I am not taking that chit. Let’s go with Captain Comeback. I think he loves us.
Discflinger
01-01-2023, 04:39 AM
I love Harbaugh…
Discflinger
01-01-2023, 04:40 AM
Just so you know. I am in havasu
Discflinger
01-01-2023, 04:51 AM
Ummmm… still in Havasu. Let’s go Arizona!
Discflinger
01-01-2023, 05:06 AM
Shaq is still scared of Larry.
Discflinger
01-01-2023, 05:37 AM
Best player to ever coach the game
Discflinger
01-01-2023, 05:38 AM
Just the best
Discflinger
01-01-2023, 05:50 AM
If Smits was healthy we would have a championship. Great team!
Discflinger
01-01-2023, 05:52 AM
We had a great team a few years as well. What happened?
Dewey 5
01-01-2023, 10:34 AM
Put them in the order you want but Young & Stroud are the top two qb’s in this draft.
TheMugwump
01-01-2023, 01:11 PM
Put them in the order you want but Young & Stroud are the top two qb’s in this draft.
And neither is worth a top 15 pick, certainly not worthy of a top-5, which is where Indy will be selecting.
They may take one of them anyway, but I'm in favor of an OT, DE, or WR.
Chromeburn
01-01-2023, 02:05 PM
This is what I've seen and read from other evaluators on the 1st round QBs.
Bryce Young
Good: Best skills and intangibles of the group. Can read defenses. Great improviser when plays break down, good enough arm with nice touch. Good poise in the pocket and can navigate around it using windows formed by the rush. Is the same whether under pressure or with a clean pocket. Would be the undisputed number 1 pick if not for...
Bad: Under 6ft. Rumors are he is 5'10 and 180-190lbs after a Bama measurement day. That's like a small nickel corner. Won't know until the combine. But that is really small for a QB. Wilson and Murray are over 200 lbs. He doesn't have Murray's speed and athleticism. Teams will worry about his ability to take hits in the NFL, but it also affects his vision. Grossman once said he doesn't throw the outlet bc he couldn't see him, and he was 6'1. Wilson is notorious for not throwing the outlet passes bc he can't see it. Tua just admitted his vision is restricted and it affects his game, he is 6ft and some change. So it will be a factor teams consider.
CJ Stroud
Good: Probably the best accuracy of the group. Great long ball. Good size and a strong arm that can make all the throws. Pocket passer with the athleticism to scramble, but stays in the pocket almost to a fault. Known as a tremendous leader in the locker room.
Bad: Is surrounded by 1st round receivers and linemen. Has a clean pocket almost every game, that will not be the case in the NFL. Is not as creative in off-script plays, has shown some potential but you would like to see more. He has a reputation for not doing well under pressure, and in the NFL you are always under pressure. The few games when he was under pressure things did not go very well. Has an awful completion percentage when under pressure. In his playoff game he showed a lot of his critics that he could do those things.
Will Levis
Good: Big, highly athletic QB with a cannon for an arm and the ability to run. Has shown great touch on throws over defenders. Can easily make all the throws on a pro field. Plays in a pro-style offense and is tabbed as the most pro-ready QB. Did not have much talent around him this year and was played hurt most of the year. The offense did not seem to play to his strengths.
Bad: His mechanics could use some work and rumors his progressions are slow. Had a bad stat year, much better in 2021. Had to play hero ball a lot, is that because of a lack of talent around him? His touch is inconsistent, some times has too much juice on his throws. He needs to work on his passing more.
Anthony Richardson
Good: The biggest traits QB in the draft. Highest ceiling, the most athleticism, very strong arm. Shows wow moments of improv when plays break down. Exciting and creative passer who can throw to any point on the field. His accuracy should be better because his receivers dropped a LOT of passes that were catchable. Enormous potential.
Bad: Limited college sample size. Very Raw player still. Did not have a great cast around him so hard to know exactly how good he is. Will likely have to sit the first year. Is a team willing to wait and develop him?
This is what I've seen and read from other evaluators on the 1st round QBs.
Bryce Young
Good: Best skills and intangibles of the group. Can read defenses. Great improviser when plays break down, good enough arm with nice touch. Good poise in the pocket and can navigate around it using windows formed by the rush. Is the same whether under pressure or with a clean pocket. Would be the undisputed number 1 pick if not for...
Bad: Under 6ft. Rumors are he is 5'10 and 180-190lbs after a Bama measurement day. That's like a small nickel corner. Won't know until the combine. But that is really small for a QB. Wilson and Murray are over 200 lbs. He doesn't have Murray's speed and athleticism. Teams will worry about his ability to take hits in the NFL, but it also affects his vision. Grossman once said he doesn't throw the outlet bc he couldn't see him, and he was 6'1. Wilson is notorious for not throwing the outlet passes bc he can't see it. Tua just admitted his vision is restricted and it affects his game, he is 6ft and some change. So it will be a factor teams consider.
CJ Stroud
Good: Probably the best accuracy of the group. Great long ball. Good size and a strong arm that can make all the throws. Pocket passer with the athleticism to scramble, but stays in the pocket almost to a fault. Known as a tremendous leader in the locker room.
Bad: Is surrounded by 1st round receivers and linemen. Has a clean pocket almost every game, that will not be the case in the NFL. Is not as creative in off-script plays, has shown some potential but you would like to see more. He has a reputation for not doing well under pressure, and in the NFL you are always under pressure. The few games when he was under pressure things did not go very well. Has an awful completion percentage when under pressure. In his playoff game he showed a lot of his critics that he could do those things.
Will Levis
Good: Big, highly athletic QB with a cannon for an arm and the ability to run. Has shown great touch on throws over defenders. Can easily make all the throws on a pro field. Plays in a pro-style offense and is tabbed as the most pro-ready QB. Did not have much talent around him this year and was played hurt most of the year. The offense did not seem to play to his strengths.
Bad: His mechanics could use some work and rumors his progressions are slow. Had a bad stat year, much better in 2021. Had to play hero ball a lot, is that because of a lack of talent around him? His touch is inconsistent, some times has too much juice on his throws. He needs to work on his passing more.
Anthony Richardson
Good: The biggest traits QB in the draft. Highest ceiling, the most athleticism, very strong arm. Shows wow moments of improv when plays break down. Exciting and creative passer who can throw to any point on the field. His accuracy should be better because his receivers dropped a LOT of passes that were catchable. Enormous potential.
Bad: Limited college sample size. Very Raw player still. Did not have a great cast around him so hard to know exactly how good he is. Will likely have to sit the first year. Is a team willing to wait and develop him?
Wish you would have added Hooker into this But otherwise. nice job
ChoppedWood
01-01-2023, 08:16 PM
This is what I've seen and read from other evaluators on the 1st round QBs.
Bryce Young
Good: Best skills and intangibles of the group. Can read defenses. Great improviser when plays break down, good enough arm with nice touch. Good poise in the pocket and can navigate around it using windows formed by the rush. Is the same whether under pressure or with a clean pocket. Would be the undisputed number 1 pick if not for...
Bad: Under 6ft. Rumors are he is 5'10 and 180-190lbs after a Bama measurement day. That's like a small nickel corner. Won't know until the combine. But that is really small for a QB. Wilson and Murray are over 200 lbs. He doesn't have Murray's speed and athleticism. Teams will worry about his ability to take hits in the NFL, but it also affects his vision. Grossman once said he doesn't throw the outlet bc he couldn't see him, and he was 6'1. Wilson is notorious for not throwing the outlet passes bc he can't see it. Tua just admitted his vision is restricted and it affects his game, he is 6ft and some change. So it will be a factor teams consider.
CJ Stroud
Good: Probably the best accuracy of the group. Great long ball. Good size and a strong arm that can make all the throws. Pocket passer with the athleticism to scramble, but stays in the pocket almost to a fault. Known as a tremendous leader in the locker room.
Bad: Is surrounded by 1st round receivers and linemen. Has a clean pocket almost every game, that will not be the case in the NFL. Is not as creative in off-script plays, has shown some potential but you would like to see more. He has a reputation for not doing well under pressure, and in the NFL you are always under pressure. The few games when he was under pressure things did not go very well. Has an awful completion percentage when under pressure. In his playoff game he showed a lot of his critics that he could do those things.
Will Levis
Good: Big, highly athletic QB with a cannon for an arm and the ability to run. Has shown great touch on throws over defenders. Can easily make all the throws on a pro field. Plays in a pro-style offense and is tabbed as the most pro-ready QB. Did not have much talent around him this year and was played hurt most of the year. The offense did not seem to play to his strengths.
Bad: His mechanics could use some work and rumors his progressions are slow. Had a bad stat year, much better in 2021. Had to play hero ball a lot, is that because of a lack of talent around him? His touch is inconsistent, some times has too much juice on his throws. He needs to work on his passing more.
Anthony Richardson
Good: The biggest traits QB in the draft. Highest ceiling, the most athleticism, very strong arm. Shows wow moments of improv when plays break down. Exciting and creative passer who can throw to any point on the field. His accuracy should be better because his receivers dropped a LOT of passes that were catchable. Enormous potential.
Bad: Limited college sample size. Very Raw player still. Did not have a great cast around him so hard to know exactly how good he is. Will likely have to sit the first year. Is a team willing to wait and develop him?
Good stuff, definitely all right on the mark as far as my observations watching them.
If it's me, I am going with Richardson. I think he is the prototype for what the new NFL QB is- big, cannon, and can move the chains with his feet. Yeah a lot of development runway is needed but we are going to suck for the next couple years at least.
I would go Stroud next. He did a really good job against and NFL team last night and damn near won the game on the final drive.
No way I am taking Young, fantastic accuracy but as noted, is small and will eventually get destroyed by DL's and it will turn him into a skittish guy that will burn out in a short career.
nate505
01-01-2023, 08:18 PM
If the Colts don't get a QB, OT, or trade down for a shit ton of picks I'll be furious.
I can even get the argument for a pass rusher, but man, the QB and line are by far what needs the most help now.
If the Colts don't get a QB, OT, or trade down for a shit ton of picks I'll be furious.
I can even get the argument for a pass rusher, but man, the QB and line are by far what needs the most help now.
I Think Rainnman has played pretty well and I don't think we need to use a top 5 pick on an OT.
If one of the QB's they want are there take them. if not trade the pick or draft BPA Hopefully an edge rusher
Lov2fish
01-01-2023, 08:34 PM
I Think Rainnman has played pretty well and I don't think we need to use a top 5 pick on an OT.
If one of the QB's they want are there take them. if not trade the pick or draft BPA Hopefully an edge rusher
I wouldn't be opposed to trading back and grabbing BPA and getting a QB next year, or even following year. There are some decent ones this draft, but all of them have shortcomings that realistically put them in 2-3 year window to be ready to be the "Man"
I wouldn't be opposed to trading back and grabbing BPA and getting a QB next year, or even following year. There are some decent ones this draft, but all of them have shortcomings that realistically put them in 2-3 year window to be ready to be the "Man"
I think we can trade slightly back and still get Richardson or Hooker in the second and still a good player with the traded pick.
I am not very good at predicting the draft so take it for what its worth
Dam8610
01-01-2023, 10:27 PM
Where does this rep that CJ Stroud gets for not being able to go off script come from? Is it because he normally doesn't run the ball when things break down, buts keeps his eyes downfield and looks to make plays with his arm instead? Because there's a guy in Green Bay that's made himself a pretty good career out of doing that.
BTW, Chrome your breakdowns are pretty spot on minus the part about Stroud being a bad improviser. Anthony Richardson has Cam Newton upside and Trace McSorley downside.
YDFL Commish
01-02-2023, 10:43 AM
Where does this rep that CJ Stroud gets for not being able to go off script come from? Is it because he normally doesn't run the ball when things break down, buts keeps his eyes downfield and looks to make plays with his arm instead? Because there's a guy in Green Bay that's made himself a pretty good career out of doing that.
BTW, Chrome your breakdowns are pretty spot on minus the part about Stroud being a bad improviser. Anthony Richardson has Cam Newton upside and Trace McSorley downside.
If that's the case I don't want him.
Mr. Session
01-02-2023, 12:40 PM
Chromes analysis on Stroud meets my biggest concern.
OSU’s receiver room has been STACKED the last couple of years. They look like the recruiting class from an old NCAA football game on a PlayStation 2.
He looked good against UGA but as soon as Jr was knocked out of the game, the difference was clear. UGA is also built like the old Alabama teams. Very beefy and nasty front 7, not exceptionally skilled in the secondary. It was a good matchup for Stroud, and he played well enough, but I expected that.
This makes me nervous. Honestly, I’m content with getting Anderson so we can lock in this defensive front with him and Paye, picking up a QB later, and trying to make sure we have the draft capital go get a no brainer pick in the future.
ChaosTheory
01-02-2023, 12:48 PM
If the Colts manage to lose to HOU this week, which I'm unsure of, it seems to me the only outcome that really matters is the DEN-LAC game. DEN's pick (3rd) belongs to SEA and even though Geno Smith is having a decent year (good numbers at least), he's 32 and has bad history. So they'd likely snatch the second QB.
Other than that, CHI (2nd) and ARZ (4th) don't seem like they'll go QB. If we beat HOU and LAR lose to SF, then DET leapfrogs us as they own LAR's pick.
That's an interesting scenario because after a slow start, DET has won 7 of 9, could end up with a winning season, and could sneak into the playoffs. I haven't watched much of them, but Jared Goff is only 28 and at least statistically has had a good year (29tds, 7ints, 4200yds, 100.1rat).
So even if DET does leapfrog us, they probably want one of these top-5 DL.
Lov2fish
01-02-2023, 01:22 PM
If the Colts manage to lose to HOU this week, which I'm unsure of, it seems to me the only outcome that really matters is the DEN-LAC game. DEN's pick (3rd) belongs to SEA and even though Geno Smith is having a decent year (good numbers at least), he's 32 and has bad history. So they'd likely snatch the second QB.
Other than that, CHI (2nd) and ARZ (4th) don't seem like they'll go QB. If we beat HOU and LAR lose to SF, then DET leapfrogs us as they own LAR's pick.
That's an interesting scenario because after a slow start, DET has won 7 of 9, could end up with a winning season, and could sneak into the playoffs. I haven't watched much of them, but Jared Goff is only 28 and at least statistically has had a good year (29tds, 7ints, 4200yds, 100.1rat).
So even if DET does leapfrog us, they probably want one of these top-5 DL.
Goff has played well this year. He has played exceptionally good football since they went on their streak. It also coincides with him being protected better by his line. Funny how a good o-line improves an offense. lol. Ours is beyond atrocious.
Stroud played well against Georgia, but it is just a small sampling. Is this his breakout game where he leaves his detractors behind, or is this an anomaly to his usual big game less than average play? Who knows. Are the Colts willing to bank the future of this franchise on it? That is my biggest difference between him and Levis. Stroud had blue chip players surrounding him. Levis made mediocre 2nd. tier players around him better. Footwork is easier to fix than mental defaults. I hope Houston drafts Young. He will set them back and that is a bonus for us.
With Stroud and Levis being the perceived best two QB's this draft (My Opinion) I am ok with trading back and picking up an additional 2nd. this year, or even a 2nd. and 4th. next year. Good QB's yes, but none I would mortgage this franchise for. There is also no guarantee we get a shot at a top QB next year. If we can get an additional pick this year by trading back, fuck it, take McConnel with the additional 2nd. and do something with our pass rush and o-line.
ChaosTheory
01-02-2023, 03:17 PM
I am ok with trading back
Heads would explode, I know, but I don't want them to take a guy unless they are absolutely sold on him. They may be and that'd be great.
But I don't like feeling overly needy and cashing in a blue chip draft pick on a non-blue chip guy. Not to directly compare this year's class with these guys, but it terrifies me to spend a top 3-5 pick on a Blaine Gabbert, Jake Locker, Blake Bortles, Mitch Trubisky... and meanwhile miss out on a Will Anderson type guy.
Nature of the gamble I suppose.
I would trade as many picks as I could for next years draft and try to have multiple 1st's
Caleb Williams is the real deal and so much better than any QB in this yrs draft
Oldcolt
01-02-2023, 05:43 PM
I would trade as many picks as I could for next years draft and try to have multiple 1st's
Caleb Williams is the real deal and so much better than any QB in this yrs draft
Good luck getting a quality coach to come here under those circumstances (all in for a high draft pick next year). If Williams is that good nobody is going to trade his pick so you would need to be the worst team in the league to have a legit shot at him. No thank you. We need to turn this damn thing around now, at least that needs to be the attitude. In this NFL it can be done.
Chromeburn
01-02-2023, 05:52 PM
Wish you would have added Hooker into this But otherwise. nice job
I'll do one for the next tier. I think Hooker's injury takes him out of the first consideration. But I think we use our first on a QB unless there is a run before we pick.
Good luck getting a quality coach to come here under those circumstances (all in for a high draft pick next year). If Williams is that good nobody is going to trade his pick so you would need to be the worst team in the league to have a legit shot at him. No thank you. We need to turn this damn thing around now, at least that needs to be the attitude. In this NFL it can be done.
The coach will be here before the draft
YDFL Commish
01-02-2023, 05:58 PM
Heads would explode, I know, but I don't want them to take a guy unless they are absolutely sold on him. They may be and that'd be great.
But I don't like feeling overly needy and cashing in a blue chip draft pick on a non-blue chip guy. Not to directly compare this year's class with these guys, but it terrifies me to spend a top 3-5 pick on a Blaine Gabbert, Jake Locker, Blake Bortles, Mitch Trubisky... and meanwhile miss out on a Will Anderson type guy.
Nature of the gamble I suppose.
If they can trade back and still get their QB of choice, is that not a win win?
Chromeburn
01-02-2023, 06:00 PM
If the Colts don't get a QB, OT, or trade down for a shit ton of picks I'll be furious.
I can even get the argument for a pass rusher, but man, the QB and line are by far what needs the most help now.
If they don't think the top QBs are franchise material and Raimann can man the spot longterm. Still a blue-chip LT is very tempting.
The pass rushers and DL at the top of this draft are great. A deep CB draft as well.
ChaosTheory
01-02-2023, 06:34 PM
If they can trade back and still get their QB of choice, is that not a win win?
Of course. I'll clarify where I quoted Love2Fish. I agree with him. I'm good with trading back as well if they aren't truly sold on a QB at a top 3-5 pick.
Trading for a haul or drafting a true blue-chip are superior options. If it somehow worked out that after a trade back the QB was still available at a more reasonable spot, great.
Chromeburn
01-02-2023, 09:44 PM
Where does this rep that CJ Stroud gets for not being able to go off script come from? Is it because he normally doesn't run the ball when things break down, buts keeps his eyes downfield and looks to make plays with his arm instead? Because there's a guy in Green Bay that's made himself a pretty good career out of doing that.
BTW, Chrome your breakdowns are pretty spot on minus the part about Stroud being a bad improviser. Anthony Richardson has Cam Newton upside and Trace McSorley downside.
Stroud might be the guy this year that is overanalyzed because he has been around so long. Usually someone every year. From what draft analysts seem to say teams seem to be split on him, some teams love him, and others like him but want more. The rep on him is that he isn't much of a creator when the play breaks down. That he is great when in a structure and throwing in rhythm but if things break down and he gets under pressure his game devolves. Now some of these criticisms have continued over from last year. Its hard to get people past their initial impressions of a player.
https://www.landgrantholyland.com/2021/9/18/22675047/ohio-state-football-good-bad-ugly-cj-strouds-performance-oregon-2021
https://youtu.be/TIJJ2Z1qnfM
But he might have silenced some of his critics after the playoff game. And of course after Saturday's game.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18kb7UJHI1I
Thing is, players evolve, has he shown enough lately? Don't know. Might be the Texans are considering him for 1 as well.
Incidentally, I think Stroud might be my QB 1 now because you can't teach size and I value accuracy above just about everything else. I think his throwing would be excellent with our tall receivers who need tight over-the-shoulder throws to take advantage of their size. But I'm starting to think the Colts will be picking between Levis and Richardson.
Richardson could be a Cam Newton, that's his ceiling I think. I just don't often use comps because then fans project that guys career onto the draftee when it is just a stylistic match. For example, if I say Levis reminds me of Wentz in some ways fans might then go "No way, don't want Wentz 2.0." But there were some good things about Wentz, particularly before the injury. Also, I think a lot of what ails Wentz is in his head because athletically; that guy is gifted.
Dam8610
01-02-2023, 10:01 PM
Chromes analysis on Stroud meets my biggest concern.
OSU’s receiver room has been STACKED the last couple of years. They look like the recruiting class from an old NCAA football game on a PlayStation 2.
He looked good against UGA but as soon as Jr was knocked out of the game, the difference was clear. UGA is also built like the old Alabama teams. Very beefy and nasty front 7, not exceptionally skilled in the secondary. It was a good matchup for Stroud, and he played well enough, but I expected that.
This makes me nervous. Honestly, I’m content with getting Anderson so we can lock in this defensive front with him and Paye, picking up a QB later, and trying to make sure we have the draft capital go get a no brainer pick in the future.
Watch him. I don't care how stacked the receiver room is if he makes play after play in a similar fashion to Aaron Rodgers. That type of playmaking ability doesn't just evaporate as receiver quality diminishes, and it was on full display against the best defense he could've possibly faced.
Chromeburn
01-13-2023, 01:38 PM
So… anyone worried that Stroud hasn’t declared yet? He has till the 16th to declare.
So… anyone worried that Stroud hasn’t declared yet? He has till the 16th to declare.
It is kind of odd. I wonder if he's worried about being a Texican?
njcoltfan
01-13-2023, 03:28 PM
It is kind of odd. I wonder if he's worried about being a Texican?
Or a Colt !!
rcubed
01-13-2023, 04:01 PM
comes with the territory of being a top pick, you go to a shit team.
IndyNorm
01-13-2023, 08:15 PM
It is kind of odd. I wonder if he's worried about being a Texican?
Maybe he's pondering coming back for his senior year to give it a go for a national championship??
ChaosTheory
01-13-2023, 09:14 PM
Maybe he's pondering coming back for his senior year to give it a go for a national championship??
That and a few-million-dollar NIL valuation softens the blow of not coming out.
Brylok
01-13-2023, 09:25 PM
That and a few-million-dollar NIL valuation softens the blow of not coming out.
Yeah, I don't think he's coming out.
IndyNorm
01-14-2023, 10:32 AM
That and a few-million-dollar NIL valuation softens the blow of not coming out.
That's a good point. I'm a bit surprised NIL money hasn't been more of a factor in guys staying in college. Although maybe it has been, and I just haven't noticed it.
omahacolt
01-14-2023, 12:22 PM
It is kind of odd. I wonder if he's worried about being a Texican?
probably wants to just make a few million, go for the national championship, and plow college girls all day.
i get the appeal
That and a few-million-dollar NIL valuation softens the blow of not coming out.
As opposed to a much larger contract guaranteed bonus from the NFL?
ChaosTheory
01-14-2023, 06:58 PM
As opposed to a much larger contract guaranteed bonus from the NFL?
It's not like he would be the first guy to pass on being a top draft pick and a ton of money to go back to school.
We have a statue of a guy that did it outside Lucas Oil Stadium. And he didn't have the cushion of being able to make millions as a college athlete.
Colts And Orioles
01-14-2023, 07:04 PM
o
It's relatively rare for athletes whom are guaranteed millions of dollars to go back to college instead of turning pro, but it does happen.
In 1984, Patrick Ewing returned to Georgetown for his senior year, even though he had just won BOTH a national championship AND an Olympic Gold medal.
Additionally, in 1988 when he had just completed his 4th season with the Knicks, he said that he still sometimes wished that he was still in college ...... he loved the overall college experience.
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It's not like he would be the first guy to pass on being a top draft pick and a ton of money to go back to school.
We have a statue of a guy that did it outside Lucas Oil Stadium. And he didn't have the cushion of being able to make millions as a college athlete.
Really? He had a financial cushion from his successful father, so he could play as a grad student and take a shot for a national title.
I dont know how they determine who gets what. A kid at IU basketball took his $50,000 at IU and payed off his sisters student debt. That amount is pittance compared to any major league sport. Are there NCAA athlete making $50 million.plus from nils?
Dewey 5
01-14-2023, 10:59 PM
Really? He had a financial cushion from his successful father, so he could play as a grad student and take a shot for a national title.
I dont know how they determine who gets what. A kid at IU basketball took his $50,000 at IU and payed off his sisters student debt. That amount is pittance compared to any major league sport. Are there NCAA athlete making $50 million.plus from nils?
No but Stroud is getting 7 figures & driving a Mercedes G SUV he didn't spend one penny for.
ChaosTheory
01-14-2023, 11:31 PM
Really? He had a financial cushion from his successful father, so he could play as a grad student and take a shot for a national title.
I dont know how they determine who gets what. A kid at IU basketball took his $50,000 at IU and payed off his sisters student debt. That amount is pittance compared to any major league sport. Are there NCAA athlete making $50 million.plus from nils?
Manning is just an example I figured we all might be familiar with. For some reason. He wasn't the first or only guy to ever do it. Matt Leinart won the Heisman and probably would've been drafted #1 in 2005 but he went back to USC.
Rich dads or not... the point is that they passed on monster contracts (Manning got $48m in '98) to go back to school and couldn't make any money. So if a kid like Stroud is torn between going back to school or going to the NFL... the fact that he can make $2m-$4m for a couple of years could easily tip the scale.
That kid at IU basketball who made $50k is not CJ Stroud or Bryce Young or Caleb Williams. Those are the kinds of kids making millions + bonuses like cars as Dewey mentioned.
Chromeburn
01-16-2023, 06:36 PM
Looks like Stroud declared
https://twitter.com/cj7stroud/status/1615019233620156416?s=46&t=McDQx7lq29klmApPMZCQYw
No but Stroud is getting 7 figures & driving a Mercedes G SUV he didn't spend one penny for.
The car came from the booster club.
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