Colts big cap hits in 2023

[Lov2fish]

Colts highest cap hits next season:

Matt Ryan = $35.2 million
Shaq Leonard = $20.2 million
DeForest Buckner = $19.8 million
Braden Smith = $19.0 million
Ryan Kelly = $12.4 million
Quenton Nelson = $12.2 million
Stephon Gilmore = $12.0 million
Kenny Moore = $7.5 million

Who gets cut and who gets traded in off season? Not sure anyone wants Ryan, but I think we save 29 million if traded and eat 17 million if we cut him. If Sam continues to get better and ends up being the guy I am sure we eat the 17 mil if we can't trade him. Still paying Sam on a rookie deal at 6th. round money so still money ahead.

Buckner is still playing at a high level, but does he want to stay?
With Franklin excelling do we trade Leonard if he gets healthy and plays solid by years end? I mean him and Franklin play the same role

Kenny Moore can go, dude has sucked.
The entire O-Line can go as far as I am concerned. They have been horribly atrocious.
I'm sure Gilmore will go. I know it is a 2 year deal but he ain't staying on a dysfunctional team. Take what we can get.

[IndyNorm]

My take:

Matt Ryan = $35.2 million - Gone
Shaq Leonard = $20.2 million - Keep him. Plus he's $24M in dead cap if released before the '23 season.
DeForest Buckner = $19.8 million - Keep him. Hopefully he wants to stay.
Braden Smith = $19.0 million - He's $19M in dead cap for '23, so we keep him 1 more year to see if he gets his shit together.
Ryan Kelly = $12.4 million - Will only be $4.5M in dead cap for '23 if released. Should probably and might be gone.
Quenton Nelson = $12.2 million - He's $30.8M in dead cap for '23 and releasing him actually is $18.6M in pressure towards the cap. Hopefully he gets his shit together.
Stephon Gilmore = $12.0 million - One of the few bright spots this year. Keep him.
Kenny Moore = $7.5 million - Dump him. He sucks now.

[ChoppedWood]

I am going to go to a bad place.

Soon they announce that Nelson has to have a back procedure and it no longer becomes about releasing him. Not going to convince me that dude is a money dude or a not trying hard dude, just not, too much mean in him.

[IndyNorm]

I am going to go to a bad place.

Soon they announce that Nelson has to have a back procedure and it no longer becomes about releasing him. Not going to convince me that dude is a money dude or a not trying hard dude, just not, too much mean in him.

As Chaos and I are discussing on another thread if it turns out that Nelson sucks now b/c of chronic back problems then Ballard is one ricockulously dumbass mfer for paying him that much.

[CletusPyle]

Bringing in Ryan is looking worse and worse all the time...we all trusted Ballard and Frank and thought we had really pulled off a miracle. Then they hardly played Ryan at all in pre-season (I think I see why now) Ryan's career is over, sad but true! Ballard should be fired for Wentz and Ryan....all they had to do was bring in Foles and play him until Sam was ready, we probably would have won more games too!

[CanuckColt]

I am going to go to a bad place.

Soon they announce that Nelson has to have a back procedure and it no longer becomes about releasing him. Not going to convince me that dude is a money dude or a not trying hard dude, just not, too much mean in him.

They can still get rid of R.Kelly and Smith as soon as possible and draft O-line (2 or 3) next year.

[Brylok]

As Chaos and I are discussing on another thread if it turns out that Nelson sucks now b/c of chronic back problems then Ballard is one ricockulously dumbass mfer for paying him that much.

He is anyway when we don't even have a franchise LT.

[Lov2fish]

We were spoiled with back to back generational quarterbacks. Plenty of super bowls have been won with QB's who don't beat their own team. If we don't address the offensive line it won't matter who is taking the snaps, they will get beaten to a pulp.

[njcoltfan]

We were spoiled with back to back generational quarterbacks. Plenty of super bowls have been won with QB's who don't beat their own team. If we don't address the offensive line it won't matter who is taking the snaps, they will get beaten to a pulp.

Back to back generational QB's and only 2 Superbowl appearances, with 1 win !! It might be time for Irsay to start getting some blame for how this team has been constructed. Maybe Jim is not the knowledgeable owner that people think he is. I don't remember Jim saying anything when Polian told Dungy to rest players with the possibility of a perfect season, or now, not putting his foot down and letting Ballard and Reich take his team down the road of mediocrity, while telling the Washington what to do with they're owner. Think about it, Jones, Manning and Luck, 1 Superbowl win. It might be time for an ownership change.

[Oldcolt]

Back to back generational QB's and only 2 Superbowl appearances, with 1 win !! It might be time for Irsay to start getting some blame for how this team has been constructed. Maybe Jim is not the knowledgeable owner that people think he is. I don't remember Jim saying anything when Polian told Dungy to rest players with the possibility of a perfect season, or now, not putting his foot down and letting Ballard and Reich take his team down the road of mediocrity, while telling the Washington what to do with they're owner. Think about it, Jones, Manning and Luck, 1 Superbowl win. It might be time for an ownership change.

I couldn’t agree more. Nice human being but a shitty owner, if what you want in an owner is to win. There will be no ownership change however. Jim has done nothing so bad that he would be forced out and this football stuff is Jim’s life.

[njcoltfan]

I couldn’t agree more. Nice human being but a shitty owner, if what you want in an owner is to win. There will be no ownership change however. Jim has done nothing so bad that he would be forced out and this football stuff is Jim’s life.

If your right, and you probably are, too bad for the fans because Jim won't do whats necessary, and IMHO, thats getting rid of Reich, and probably Ballard too !!

[Brylok]

We were spoiled with back to back generational quarterbacks

The Colts were good for one year out of the first fifteen years they were in Indianapolis. They were a laughingstock the rest of the time. Stop saying that fans were/are spoiled. It's nonsense, and it only serves to lower the bar even further than it is now. Maybe you're too young to remember those years. I remember them. Spoiled my ass.

[CletusPyle]

The Colts were good for one year out of the first fifteen years they were in Indianapolis. They were a laughingstock the rest of the time. Stop saying that fans were/are spoiled. It's nonsense, and it only serves to lower the bar even further than it is now. Maybe you're too young to remember those years. I remember them. Spoiled my ass.

You must be talking about the 1995 Colts with Harbaugh as the QB. I still think that team was cheated in the Pittsburgh game and should have gone to the Super Bowl!

[Lov2fish]

The Colts were good for one year out of the first fifteen years they were in Indianapolis. They were a laughingstock the rest of the time. Stop saying that fans were/are spoiled. It's nonsense, and it only serves to lower the bar even further than it is now. Maybe you're too young to remember those years. I remember them. Spoiled my ass.

I have been a fan since 1978 before they even moved here. So yea, I am old enough to remember. It still does not change the facts we had two generational quarterbacks, back to back. The suck years are irrelevant. Before that we had Unitas and Jones. The injury bug bit Jones, but early in his career he was a great QB.

[Brylok]

I have been a fan since 1978 before they even moved here...

Right. You've seen a lot of bad Colts football. Stop saying that fans have been spoiled. It's very counterproductive.

[Lov2fish]

Right. You've seen a lot of bad Colts football. Stop saying that fans have been spoiled. It's very counterproductive.

More than should be allowed by law. lol. I was not denying they sucked for over a decade when they arrived, but I am also glad I got to see Jones, Peyton and Luck, for however brief it was. It makes the bad years a little more tolerable in my memory bank.

[ColtBlue]

Colts highest cap hits next season:

Matt Ryan = $35.2 million
Shaq Leonard = $20.2 million
DeForest Buckner = $19.8 million
Braden Smith = $19.0 million
Ryan Kelly = $12.4 million
Quenton Nelson = $12.2 million
Stephon Gilmore = $12.0 million
Kenny Moore = $7.5 million

Who gets cut and who gets traded in off season? Not sure anyone wants Ryan, but I think we save 29 million if traded and eat 17 million if we cut him. If Sam continues to get better and ends up being the guy I am sure we eat the 17 mil if we can't trade him. Still paying Sam on a rookie deal at 6th. round money so still money ahead.

Buckner is still playing at a high level, but does he want to stay?
With Franklin excelling do we trade Leonard if he gets healthy and plays solid by years end? I mean him and Franklin play the same role

Kenny Moore can go, dude has sucked.
The entire O-Line can go as far as I am concerned. They have been horribly atrocious.
I'm sure Gilmore will go. I know it is a 2 year deal but he ain't staying on a dysfunctional team. Take what we can get.

I could be wrong. But I think that's why they are not going to play Ryan rest of year. They our trying to save money on what initially was going to be owed.

I may be wrong but Ryan Colts days are done..

[Brylok]

I could be wrong. But I think that's why they are not going to play Ryan rest of year. They our trying to save money on what initially was going to be owed.

I may be wrong but Ryan Colts days are done..

His NFL days should be done. He should retire.

[ColtBlue]

His NFL days should be done. He should retire.

Agreed, unless he can find a team that has a OL that can pass protect. Ryan sure can't be mobile. That's for sure

[ColtBlue]

His NFL days should be done. He should retire.

Something else what gets me is whether the Colts should have gotten rid of Wentz?

Absolutely they should have and did. He's been a disaster with Washington.
Good athleticism, no ability to read defense, wont throw a checkdown, won't use middle of field. IMO he is just too dumb to be a NFL starter his brain doesn't match his arm. lol

Wentz gameplay stats will never match Ryan. Ryan is better than Wentz

[YDFL Commish]

Who are the UDFA's that we bring back next season?

Here's a partial list: Ngakoue, Pryor, Faycson, Lewis, Dulin, McLeod, Banagu, Campbell, Okereke, Speed, McClaughlin.

There are a few others who I didn't include, because I don't believe that there's any realistic chance they are brought back.

Out of this list I would bring back Ngakoue, Lewis, Dulin, McLeod, McClaughlin and Speed.

I would let Campbell test the market unless he was willing to give us a hometown discount. Not saying I don't want him back, just that he should not be a priority.

As for outright cuts, Ryan, Foles, MOC and Kenny Moore.

I woulda cut Matt Pryor 3 weeks ago, but he must be a bible thumper that Reich can't get rid of.

[YDFL Commish]

Something else what gets me is whether the Colts should have gotten rid of Wentz?

Absolutely they should have and did. He's been a disaster with Washington.
Good athleticism, no ability to read defense, wont throw a checkdown, won't use middle of field. IMO he is just too dumb to be a NFL starter his brain doesn't match his arm. lol

Wentz gameplay stats will never match Ryan. Ryan is better than Wentz

We knew what Wentz was, I believe that all of Colts nation, except Frank Reich knew it.

[omahacolt]

other than ryan, i don't see why we need to dump anyone.

i wouldn't mind cutting ryan kelly but i don't mind letting him compete either

[YDFL Commish]

other than ryan, i don't see why we need to dump anyone.

i wouldn't mind cutting ryan kelly but i don't mind letting him compete either


Matt Pryor?

[Racehorse]

Matt Pryor?

I think he meant from the high cap guys.

[Oldcolt]

I agree with Omaha. Let them compete but don’t give them a free ride. I would expect most of those who you would cut don’t make the squad. I would keep Campbell. We are so thin at WR if we cut him we end up having to find a body to replace the man.

[jasperhobbs]

Who are the UDFA's that we bring back next season?

Here's a partial list: Ngakoue, Pryor, Faycson, Lewis, Dulin, McLeod, Banagu, Campbell, Okereke
, Speed, McClaughlin.

There are a few others who I didn't include, because I don't believe that there's any realistic chance they are brought back.

Out of this list I would bring back Ngakoue, Lewis, Dulin, McLeod, McClaughlin and Speed.

I would let Campbell test the market unless he was willing to give us a hometown discount. Not saying I don't want him back, just that he should not be a priority.

As for outright cuts, Ryan, Foles, MOC and Kenny Moore.

I woulda cut Matt Pryor 3 weeks ago, but he must be a bible thumper that Reich can't get rid of.

Hope they sign Okereke to a long term deal. He is a player

[omahacolt]

Hope they sign Okereke to a long term deal. He is a player

yeah i like okereke. really depends on the price with him

[Hoopsdoc]

yeah i like okereke. really depends on the price with him

I’m afraid someone will outbid Ballard for him. And who knows, he may want to get out from under Shaq Leonard’s shadow.

He’s a damn good player.

[Chromeburn]

As Chaos and I are discussing on another thread if it turns out that Nelson sucks now b/c of chronic back problems then Ballard is one ricockulously dumbass mfer for paying him that much.

I don’t think it’s back problems. I think it’s instability at the other spots and they can’t play as a cohesive unit.

[Brylok]

Cut Kelly

[Luck4Reich]

Cut Kelly

Yeah...his attitude sucks as bad as his play. He shouldn't even open his mouth.

[Hoopsdoc]

Cut Kelly

Yep. Something has to give. This is getting out of hand.

Cut Kelly. Bench or cut Smith.

Give French Fries and Ramen a shot.

They can’t be any worse. And they might actually show some fire.

[Racehorse]

Yep. Something has to give. This is getting out of hand.

Cut Kelly. Bench or cut Smith.

Give French Fries and Ramen a shot.

They can’t be any worse. And they might actually show some fire.

This post made me hungry.

[Brylok]

This post made me hungry.

I lost my appetite watching that crap.

[IndyNorm]

Yeah...his attitude sucks as bad as his play. He shouldn't even open his mouth.

What'd he say? Don't tell me he got his panties in a bunch b/c someone was asking about the OL's shit play.

[IndyNorm]

I don’t think it’s back problems. I think it’s instability at the other spots and they can’t play as a cohesive unit.

That doesn't help I'm sure, but it doesn't explain he he's getting dominated in one on ones all the time this year. Seems like he's physically not his old self either.

[jasperhobbs]

Who are the UDFA's that we bring back next season?

Here's a partial list: Ngakoue, Pryor, Faycson, Lewis, Dulin, McLeod, Banagu, Campbell, Okereke, Speed, McClaughlin.

There are a few others who I didn't include, because I don't believe that there's any realistic chance they are brought back.

Out of this list I would bring back Ngakoue, Lewis, Dulin, McLeod, McClaughlin and Speed.

I would let Campbell test the market unless he was willing to give us a hometown discount. Not saying I don't want him back, just that he should not be a priority.

As for outright cuts, Ryan, Foles, MOC and Kenny Moore.

I woulda cut Matt Pryor 3 weeks ago, but he must be a bible thumper that Reich can't get rid of.
I wouldn't bring back Ngakoue. Give the money to Okereke