Colts trade RB Nyheim Hines to Bills

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Per Schefter.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1587534300991430657

And another! Colts are trading RB Nyheim Hines to the Buffalo Bills, sources tell ESPN.


Looks like the Colts and Bills are swapping RB's with the Colts picking up a draft pick as well.

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1587536506440261632

The Bills are trading RB Zack Moss and a 6th-round pick that can go to a 5th-rounder to the Colts for RB Nyheim Hines, sources tell me and Mike Garafolo

[Brylok]

We get RB Zack Moss and a conditional 6th. Either Hines wanted to leave and made it known or Ballard got fleeced.

[Spike]

We get RB Zack Moss and a conditional 6th. Either Hines wanted to leave and made it known or Ballard got fleeced.

Terrible trade, FUCK Ballard.

Good for Hines though, at least he has a chance for a SB.

[Lov2fish]

Unless he wanted out this trade makes zero sense. Good for Hines though, going to a contender and competent staff/front office.

[Hoopsdoc]

Unless he wanted out this trade makes zero sense. Good for Hines though, going to a contender and competent staff/front office.

He had to have made it known he wanted out. Which, i mean, who can blame him?

Otherwise this makes zero sense at all.

Good for him. Maybe McDermott can use him right.

[rcubed]

seems he wanted out.

[Hoopsdoc]

Per Schefter.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1587534300991430657




Looks like the Colts and Bills are swapping RB's with the Colts picking up a draft pick as well.

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1587536506440261632

I wonder what the conditions are.

[bigalbert]

Jags just picked up Calvin Ridley today. Everybody gettin better cept the Colts


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[Spike]

Apparently Hines would count $6,000,000 towards the cap in 2023. Most likely why he was traded.

[Brylok]

If I were in Hines' shoes, I'd have done the same thing. Hmm, should I stay on this crappy Colts team, or go to Buffalo?

No brainier there. Good luck dude! Go win a Superbowl!

[Chaka]

A few analyses re new RB Zack Moss

Pre-Draft Analysis:
https://www.nfl.com/prospects/zack-moss/32004d4f-5375-6406-2efb-a60ab36c4cc4

Pre-Season 2022
https://www.buffalorumblings.com/2022/3/4/22957533/all-22-year-in-review-buffalo-bills-rb-zack-moss

As a potential trade subject:
https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/buffalo-trade-rumors-zack-moss-moving-james-cook-philadelphia-eagles-roster

https://buffalowdown.com/2022/10/26/buffalo-bills-dealt-trade-deadline/3/

[Spike]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rxb6HR7raM0

Mac says Colts are stupid, well kinda. He sounds depressed.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Apparently Hines would count $6,000,000 towards the cap in 2023. Most likely why he was traded.


I don't think Hines' cap hit is quite that high, but Hines is very well compensated for a RB - he is currently projected as the 15th highest cap hit for RB's for 2023 since many RB's are on rookie deals.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/2023/running-back/cap-hit/


But I agree - I think the move was made to re-adjust funds in next year's budget.

Also wonder if Buffalo keeps Hines or if he ends up being a rental. If he stays with the Bills, I imagine they will try to renegotiate his contract.

[Dewey 5]

Good for Hines. He now has a legit shot at a ring. Fuck Ballard. Fire him please

[ChaosTheory]

I don't think Hines' cap hit is quite that high, but Hines is very well compensated for a RB - he is currently projected as the 15th highest cap hit for RB's for 2023 since many RB's are on rookie deals.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/2023/running-back/cap-hit/


But I agree - I think the move was made to re-adjust funds in next year's budget.

Also wonder if Buffalo keeps Hines or if he ends up being a rental. If he stays with the Bills, I imagine they will try to renegotiate his contract.

I think you're right. Cap hit was $2.8m and $2.0m the past two years. Will be around $4.8m and $5.5m next two years assuming it's not redone.

[YDFL Commish]

not much of a loss when Hines lack of usage is considered.

How laughable does it seem now, after Reich's bluster about Hines putting up huge fantasy numbers.

[Oldcolt]

Ballard loves him his mouth. Talks a big game All talk.

[HoosierinFL]

I don’t have a problem with this. Hines is a liability in the run game. He’s too undersized to be running between the tackles - we just got done complaining about this in another thread.

What good is a back up RB who can’t be counted on to get positive yardage in the run game? Sure’s he’s made some really good catches, including this last game on that fade, but that’s why we have WRs. Hines isnt such a great receiver that he should be getting looks like that over Pittman/Campbell/Pierce. We can do just fine throwing to RBs in the flat or on wheel routes, and all the other 3 RBs on the roster can do that, plus actually take handoffs and get yards. Hines doesn’t even get YAC as a receiver for that matter.

Hines is a gimmick/gadget type player and we don’t do the fundamentals well enough to be trying gimmicks. We’re just trying to win football games.

There’s been a ton of hype surrounding his skill set for the past few years but where’s the production outside of a handful of nice catches?

[ChoppedWood]

I love these hypotheticals conversations:

Ballard: "Hey Nyheim, we need to talk. I hear you are frustrated with the team. Frank said the other day when you came off the field you yelled at him that he was a stupid fuck"

Hines: "No, no, not what happened. I made an 18 yard catch and was called off the field for next play. I was walking by Brady and he looked at me and said - "don't blame me, this is Frank's call. So I looked over and saw Frank had that stupid fucking play sheet that everyone knows doesn't even have plays on it, he was looking down at it pretending to locate the next play, so I just yelled at him to quit pretending to be a coach you stupid fuck".

Ballard: "Well Frank wants to trade you, what should we do?"

Hines: "What should you do, you should fire that idiot, that's what you should do. I am one of the fastest players in the NFL, but I'm not a bruiser, and that dumb ass plays me like every 6th play and when I am on the field he runs me up the middle. Did you see the TD I got this weekend- how many times have we even tried to run outside this year, like 3?

No, tell ya what, cut me, stab me, shoot me, just get me away from that fucking moron. Oh and while you are at it, you should fire him and then you should resign because you are just as stupid as he is, Matt fucking Pryor, dude how do you look at yourself in the mirror and how does your wife stand telling people you are a football GM."

That's how I like to visualize Hines getting out of here. Good for him, damn he just adds another layer of skill to that lethal machine.

[Dam8610]

This is entirely a cap and youth move, which tells me all I need to know about how this team views their decision to put in Sam Ehlinger.

[Spike]

I don't think Hines' cap hit is quite that high, but Hines is very well compensated for a RB - he is currently projected as the 15th highest cap hit for RB's for 2023 since many RB's are on rookie deals.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/2023/running-back/cap-hit/


But I agree - I think the move was made to re-adjust funds in next year's budget.

Also wonder if Buffalo keeps Hines or if he ends up being a rental. If he stays with the Bills, I imagine they will try to renegotiate his contract.

Gotta stop listening to Julio down by the schoolyard. Nothing but wrong info from that hack.

[rcubed]

I don’t have a problem with this. Hines is a liability in the run game. He’s too undersized to be running between the tackles - we just got done complaining about this in another thread.

What good is a back up RB who can’t be counted on to get positive yardage in the run game? Sure’s he’s made some really good catches, including this last game on that fade, but that’s why we have WRs. Hines isnt such a great receiver that he should be getting looks like that over Pittman/Campbell/Pierce. We can do just fine throwing to RBs in the flat or on wheel routes, and all the other 3 RBs on the roster can do that, plus actually take handoffs and get yards. Hines doesn’t even get YAC as a receiver for that matter.

Hines is a gimmick/gadget type player and we don’t do the fundamentals well enough to be trying gimmicks. We’re just trying to win football games.

There’s been a ton of hype surrounding his skill set for the past few years but where’s the production outside of a handful of nice catches?


Good post. I was on the improper usage bandwagon but have come off that. the money/cap savings will help going forward and the lack of hines wont be much of a factor.

[Hoopsdoc]

I don’t have a problem with this. Hines is a liability in the run game. He’s too undersized to be running between the tackles - we just got done complaining about this in another thread.

What good is a back up RB who can’t be counted on to get positive yardage in the run game? Sure’s he’s made some really good catches, including this last game on that fade, but that’s why we have WRs. Hines isnt such a great receiver that he should be getting looks like that over Pittman/Campbell/Pierce. We can do just fine throwing to RBs in the flat or on wheel routes, and all the other 3 RBs on the roster can do that, plus actually take handoffs and get yards. Hines doesn’t even get YAC as a receiver for that matter.

Hines is a gimmick/gadget type player and we don’t do the fundamentals well enough to be trying gimmicks. We’re just trying to win football games.

There’s been a ton of hype surrounding his skill set for the past few years but where’s the production outside of a handful of nice catches?

Hines problem is we haven’t had a quarterback good enough to make him effective since old man Rivers. He caught 63 balls that year and was a decent threat out of the backfield.

I think he’s perfect for Buffalo. He has an elite quarterback who is also a running threat and a great offensive mind as coach.

I think Hines will absolutely kill it there.

Again, good for him. If that pick ends up being a 5th, I’ll be ok with the trade.

[albany ed]

If he wanted out, I don't blame him. He was never used correctly here and if the Bills use him correctly, he's gonna be a star with a SB ring. He was one of my favorite players.

[IndyNorm]

Clearly a salary cap move, although looks like Hines had $0 guaranteed for '23 and '24 so we may have released him in the offseason. Hope he does well in Buff and gets a ring. Too bad our coaching staff forgot how to use him after '20.

[Dam8610]

Hines problem is we haven’t had a quarterback good enough to make him effective since old man Rivers. He caught 63 balls that year and was a decent threat out of the backfield.

I think he’s perfect for Buffalo. He has an elite quarterback who is also a running threat and a great offensive mind as coach.

I think Hines will absolutely kill it there.

Again, good for him. If that pick ends up being a 5th, I’ll be ok with the trade.

Moss and a 6th is fine value depending on how much you like Moss. Count me in the "cap savings and flexibility is the best part of this deal" camp.

[YDFL Commish]

Moss and a 6th is fine value depending on how much you like Moss. Count me in the "cap savings and flexibility is the best part of this deal" camp.

It is 90% salaray related.

[Spike]

Clearly a salary cap move, although looks like Hines had $0 guaranteed for '23 and '24 so we may have released him in the offseason. Hope he does well in Buff and gets a ring. Too bad our coaching staff forgot how to use him after '20.

They didn't forget, they are just stupid.

[DragonTails]

I love these hypotheticals conversations:

Ballard: "Hey Nyheim, we need to talk. I hear you are frustrated with the team. Frank said the other day when you came off the field you yelled at him that he was a stupid fuck"

Hines: "No, no, not what happened. I made an 18 yard catch and was called off the field for next play. I was walking by Brady and he looked at me and said - "don't blame me, this is Frank's call. So I looked over and saw Frank had that stupid fucking play sheet that everyone knows doesn't even have plays on it, he was looking down at it pretending to locate the next play, so I just yelled at him to quit pretending to be a coach you stupid fuck".

Ballard: "Well Frank wants to trade you, what should we do?"

Hines: "What should you do, you should fire that idiot, that's what you should do. I am one of the fastest players in the NFL, but I'm not a bruiser, and that dumb ass plays me like every 6th play and when I am on the field he runs me up the middle. Did you see the TD I got this weekend- how many times have we even tried to run outside this year, like 3?

No, tell ya what, cut me, stab me, shoot me, just get me away from that fucking moron. Oh and while you are at it, you should fire him and then you should resign because you are just as stupid as he is, Matt fucking Pryor, dude how do you look at yourself in the mirror and how does your wife stand telling people you are a football GM."

That's how I like to visualize Hines getting out of here. Good for him, damn he just adds another layer of skill to that lethal machine.

Sounds like the next Netflix mini series trailer right there.

[Racehorse]

Sounds like the next Netflix mini series trailer right there.

I thought it was a drunken rant, but whatever

[IndyNorm]

I love these hypotheticals conversations:

Ballard: "Hey Nyheim, we need to talk. I hear you are frustrated with the team. Frank said the other day when you came off the field you yelled at him that he was a stupid fuck"

Hines: "No, no, not what happened. I made an 18 yard catch and was called off the field for next play. I was walking by Brady and he looked at me and said - "don't blame me, this is Frank's call. So I looked over and saw Frank had that stupid fucking play sheet that everyone knows doesn't even have plays on it, he was looking down at it pretending to locate the next play, so I just yelled at him to quit pretending to be a coach you stupid fuck".

Ballard: "Well Frank wants to trade you, what should we do?"

Hines: "What should you do, you should fire that idiot, that's what you should do. I am one of the fastest players in the NFL, but I'm not a bruiser, and that dumb ass plays me like every 6th play and when I am on the field he runs me up the middle. Did you see the TD I got this weekend- how many times have we even tried to run outside this year, like 3?

No, tell ya what, cut me, stab me, shoot me, just get me away from that fucking moron. Oh and while you are at it, you should fire him and then you should resign because you are just as stupid as he is, Matt fucking Pryor, dude how do you look at yourself in the mirror and how does your wife stand telling people you are a football GM."

That's how I like to visualize Hines getting out of here. Good for him, damn he just adds another layer of skill to that lethal machine.

Great fucking post! Especially the comments on Ballard and Pryor LMAO!!!

[CletusPyle]

It will be interesting to see if Moss can beat out Jackson for the #2 spot, looking at his stats he only has 17 carries this season, but he's averaged over 5 yards a carry. Looks like the Bills were looking to trade him and had been holding him out of the lineup the last few games.

This is a great move for Hines....Buffalo may be the best team in the league and I can see him being a real weapon in that offense!

[apballin]

Apparently he wanted out so that makes sense. Unfortunately when he’s on the field your hand is tipped on offense because you know he’s not getting a handoff it’s different for Buffalo because their QB is their RB so he’ll be a good fit there

[YDFL Commish]

It will be interesting to see if Moss can beat out Jackson for the #2 spot, looking at his stats he only has 17 carries this season, but he's averaged over 5 yards a carry. Looks like the Bills were looking to trade him and had been holding him out of the lineup the last few games.

This is a great move for Hines....Buffalo may be the best team in the league and I can see him being a real weapon in that offense!

Don't expect much from Moss. Maybe he has some special teams potential, I don't know.

This was clearly a salary dump, disgruntled player move.

I think the bigger question is how many other players are disgruntled with Reich and how far are we from having a mutiny on our hands?

[ChoppedWood]

Don't expect much from Moss. Maybe he has some special teams potential, I don't know.

This was clearly a salary dump, disgruntled player move.

I think the bigger question is how many other players are disgruntled with Reich and how far are we from having a mutiny on our hands?

Bang on.

Obviously I cannot stand the dude and I am biased as hell, but I believe he is roundly disliked. At the game I spent a lot of time looking down at him on the sidelines during dead balls, time outs, etc... I was shocked at how little interaction he has with ANYONE. Dude NEVER ever ever takes off the headphones. Most of the time he's not even surrounded by players, enmeshed in the guys gravitating to the LOS as it moves- it literally is like he is out there all by himself in a little bubble. Not once when I looked down did I see him go discuss something with someone one on one, never saw him drift from the sideline to converse with a personnel group, absolutely NOTHING. How many times has the camera been focused on BB literally IN the huddle with dudes on the sideline, headset off, walking the walk with them, COACHING THEM!

Frank Reich is not a real head coach. He just is not!

[Brylok]

I think the bigger question is how many other players are disgruntled with Reich and how far are we from having a mutiny on our hands?

If I had to venture a guess: Ryan Kelly, Smith, Nelson, Gilmore, Buckner, Kenny Moore...maybe Leonard and Jonathon Taylor. Professionalism will probably prevent an outright mutiny for most of those guys, but if I had to guess, that's where I'd start. Some will definitely leave in the off season.

[YDFL Commish]

Bang on.

Obviously I cannot stand the dude and I am biased as hell, but I believe he is roundly disliked. At the game I spent a lot of time looking down at him on the sidelines during dead balls, time outs, etc... I was shocked at how little interaction he has with ANYONE. Dude NEVER ever ever takes off the headphones. Most of the time he's not even surrounded by players, enmeshed in the guys gravitating to the LOS as it moves- it literally is like he is out there all by himself in a little bubble. Not once when I looked down did I see him go discuss something with someone one on one, never saw him drift from the sideline to converse with a personnel group, absolutely NOTHING. How many times has the camera been focused on BB literally IN the huddle with dudes on the sideline, headset off, walking the walk with them, COACHING THEM!

Frank Reich is not a real head coach. He just is not!

He's not a leader of men. He has no business being an NFL football coach. Burying your head in the play sheet and trying to figure out how you can scheme the next play is neglect.

I hate to take it this extreme, but this is Dowhower and Infante all over again.

[ZionsvilleColtsFan]

Good for Hines! He goes to a playoff team and will see more playing time.

[IndyNorm]

It will be interesting to see if Moss can beat out Jackson for the #2 spot, looking at his stats he only has 17 carries this season, but he's averaged over 5 yards a carry. Looks like the Bills were looking to trade him and had been holding him out of the lineup the last few games.

This is a great move for Hines....Buffalo may be the best team in the league and I can see him being a real weapon in that offense!

Unless Moss is a good STer I wouldn't count on it. What's the rush to replace Jackson? His play with JT out has been one of the few bright spots this year.

[CletusPyle]

Unless Moss is a good STer I wouldn't count on it. What's the rush to replace Jackson? His play with JT out has been one of the few bright spots this year.

But if he beats him out, that would mean he is better...I have no problem with Jackson, in fact it kind of sucks for him that the guy ahead of him is traded but they bring in another back he'll have to compete with. I say, may the best man win the spot! Moss was a beast at Utah, the guy averaged over 100 yards a game in 2019 and had over 4,000 yards in his career there!

[ColtBlue]

Colts meeting room.

Ballard: Who wants traded?
https://media.tenor.com/rqDk-eCXg6AAAAAC/ap-bio-raise-hand.gif

Ballard: Oh shit!!!!

[Brylok]

Any word about Moss yet? Has he joined the team or did he go Greyhound from Buffalo to Indianapolis? We'll probably need him on Sunday.

[apballin]

Any word about Moss yet? Has he joined the team or did he go Greyhound from Buffalo to Indianapolis? We'll probably need him on Sunday.

He flew to indianapolis the day of the trade but in a short week probably won’t see playing time, look for a lot of Jackson with Lindsay and Wilkins to spell relief because Wilkins familiar with the offense

[Brylok]

He flew to indianapolis the day of the trade but in a short week probably won’t see playing time, look for a lot of Jackson with Lindsay and Wilkins to spell relief because Wilkins familiar with the offense

I forgot about Wilkins.

[albany ed]

Moss is supposed to be excellent in pass blocking, so he may see action.

[Colts And Orioles]

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Colts’ Zack Moss ...... Productive Rushing Day in Loss

(By RotoWire Staff)

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/colts-zack-moss-productive-rushing-day-in-loss/





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[Dam8610]

Did the conditions get met for the 6th?

[ChaosTheory]

Did the conditions get met for the 6th?

Never saw what the conditions were. I read a rumor a while back on a Bills forum that as long as he doesn't get injured we get a 5th.

No idea if that's true, but never saw anything official.

[HoosierinFL]

I’d say we got the best of this trade. Moss has been a reasonable backup and Hines has continued to do nothing in Buffalo except catch 1 pass a game and run for negative yards.

[CletusPyle]

I’d say we got the best of this trade. Moss has been a reasonable backup and Hines has continued to do nothing in Buffalo except catch 1 pass a game and run for negative yards.

I'm surprised he hasn't fumbled a punt return yet....maybe tonight?

[HoosierinFL]

Meanwhile TY went 4 for 50 for the boys.

[YDFL Commish]

Meanwhile TY went 4 for 50 for the boys.


Think we coulda used him?

[JAFF]

Think we coulda used him?

Nope, he cant play LG

[nate505]

Meanwhile TY went 4 for 50 for the boys.

If he was on any team other than the Cowboys (and the Bucs or Patriots) I'd be rooting for their team to win the Superbowl this year.

[Colts And Orioles]

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Colts’ Zack Moss ...... Productive Rushing Day in Loss

(By RotoWire Staff)

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/colts-zack-moss-productive-rushing-day-in-loss/

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Moss ended the 2022 season with his best game overall ...... 18 rushes for 114 yards and 1 TD, good for 6.3 yards-per-carry.



Zack Moss Goes Out ‘With a Bang’ in Career Day Against Texans

(By Andrew Walker)

https://www.colts.com/news/zack-moss-career-performance-houston-texans-buffalo-bills-2022-week-18

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[CletusPyle]

Zack Moss is a keeper, the trade worked out for both teams and both players!

[ChaosTheory]

What was up with Hines on offense this year?

I heard something earlier today on a clip from a show (Chris Simms maybe?)... anyway, they mentioned that Nyheim Hines only had 4 offensive snaps against the Bengals.

I hadn't looked up his numbers since he was a Colt, and man, I thought he was underutilized with us. But he had 11 games with BUF and had 5 rec for 53yds and 6 rushes for -3 yds... total. With the Colts, he was 3rd, 2nd, 1st, and 2nd in receptions in his first four years.

Look at these offensive snap counts in BUF: 4, 6, 10, 4, 23, 10, 3, 3, 3, 10, 4.

I know he had some success as a return man, but he did some punt returning for us when he was here and still contributed on offense. As much as I expected him to break out with Matt Ryan, and then again with Josh Allen... he instead was almost abandoned on offense. Really surprising.

[YDFL Commish]

What was up with Hines on offense this year?

I heard something earlier today on a clip from a show (Chris Simms maybe?)... anyway, they mentioned that Nyheim Hines only had 4 offensive snaps against the Bengals.

I hadn't looked up his numbers since he was a Colt, and man, I thought he was underutilized with us. But he had 11 games with BUF and had 5 rec for 53yds and 6 rushes for -3 yds... total. With the Colts, he was 3rd, 2nd, 1st, and 2nd in receptions in his first four years.

Look at these offensive snap counts in BUF: 4, 6, 10, 4, 23, 10, 3, 3, 3, 10, 4.

I know he had some success as a return man, but he did some punt returning for us when he was here and still contributed on offense. As much as I expected him to break out with Matt Ryan, and then again with Josh Allen... he instead was almost abandoned on offense. Really surprising.

Couldn't learn the offense?
The Bills don't run the ball anyway?

[ChaosTheory]

Couldn't learn the offense?
The Bills don't run the ball anyway?

Maybe he couldn't learn it. Although he always seemed pretty bright and he jumped right in as a rookie. But maybe. Of course we thought he was underused here as well.

Bills ranked 15th in rush att., 7th in rush yards. Not as unbalanced as I would've thought. And Hines wasn't catching the ball, either. Whatever, just another weird thing about a weird fucking season.

[apballin]

What was up with Hines on offense this year?

I heard something earlier today on a clip from a show (Chris Simms maybe?)... anyway, they mentioned that Nyheim Hines only had 4 offensive snaps against the Bengals.

I hadn't looked up his numbers since he was a Colt, and man, I thought he was underutilized with us. But he had 11 games with BUF and had 5 rec for 53yds and 6 rushes for -3 yds... total. With the Colts, he was 3rd, 2nd, 1st, and 2nd in receptions in his first four years.

Look at these offensive snap counts in BUF: 4, 6, 10, 4, 23, 10, 3, 3, 3, 10, 4.

I know he had some success as a return man, but he did some punt returning for us when he was here and still contributed on offense. As much as I expected him to break out with Matt Ryan, and then again with Josh Allen... he instead was almost abandoned on offense. Really surprising.

Yea makes sense request a trade to a team that uses you even less

[Butter]

I had high hopes for Hines, oh well. I guess the grass isn't always greener.

[Ironshaft]

I had high hopes for Hines, oh well. I guess the grass isn't always greener.
I like Hines a bunch....but not how the Colts used him.

Sorry, but I point to Reich almost 100% for the failure to use Hines as he could have been used.

"Look, we have Jonathan Taylor who is one of the best between the tackles running backs in the league. Let's script 85% of our rush attempts to be between the tackles."

"Look, we have Hines who is terrible running between the tackles. But, since we have JT doing it, we will have NH do it as well. So what that he only averages 1.1 yards between the tackles!"

When I look at Hines, I see a Darrel Sproles type back. That dude fricking killed the Colts for years with swing passes, short delayed crossing routes, pitch toss to the corner, etc. The Charges got him out in space and he was like a greased pig.

But our offensive staff, to include the HC, could not be bothered with putting in plays that specifically to work with Hines strength. Instead, on 1st and 10? Hines up the middle for 1.1 yards.

I hope that having a camp with the Bills in 2023 will increase his touches because he is a great weapon...if used correctly.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

The conditional draft pick has been settled.

The Bills will be sending the Colts a 5th Round draft pick to complete the Hines / Moss trade.


https://twitter.com/SalSports/status/1622700454768508934

The conditional draft pick the Bills traded to the Colts for RB Nyheim Hines turned out to be a 5th rounder. It is the Bills original/own 5th going to Indy.

The Bills still have the Arizona Cardinals 5th rounder which was from the Cody Ford trade.

[ChaosTheory]

The conditional draft pick has been settled.

The Bills will be sending the Colts a 5th Round draft pick to complete the Hines / Moss trade.


https://twitter.com/SalSports/status/1622700454768508934

Are they just not going to explain what the conditions were?

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

I hope that having a camp with the Bills in 2023 will increase his touches because he is a great weapon...if used correctly.


I wonder if Hines will decide to stay in Buffalo.

The Bills will certainly want to restructure his existing contract. They would probably offer him some guaranteed money for lowering his cap values in 2023 and 2024.

Or if he wants out, he could decline the restructure talks and the Bills will likely cut him (zero dead cap hit).

It could be his first time as a free agent and the opportunity to choose where to llve / play.

[Colts And Orioles]

The conditional draft pick has been settled.

The Bills will be sending the Colts a 5th-Round draft pick to complete the Hines-for-Moss trade.


https://twitter.com/SalSports/status/1622700454768508934





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Good ...... now we can take CJ Stroud in the 5th round, after we take 4 offensive linemen in the first 4 rounds.

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[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Are they just not going to explain what the conditions were?

Since the Colts received the better draft pick (it was either going to be a 5th or a 6th), and considering how little Hines played on offense in Buffalo, the conditions were probably based on how many games he was Active and playing.

[ChaosTheory]

Since the Colts received the better draft pick (it was either going to be a 5th or a 6th), and considering how little Hines played on offense in Buffalo, the conditions were probably based on how many games he was Active and playing.

That's almost certainly the case. Unless it's something to do with BUF's draft position or something. I just don't understand why it's a big secret.

Or maybe most of these conditional transactions are like this and I just never paid attention. The 5th is good news, though.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

I just don't understand why it's a big secret.

Or maybe most of these conditional transactions are like this and I just never paid attention. The 5th is good news, though.


It's not that uncommon for the details of the conditional terms to be omitted from reporting for trades involving later round draft picks.

Another example would be the Colts-Jets trade involving Nate Hairston.

There was some type of condition that was never met (and never reported at the time of the trade). Ultimately, the Colts received no compensation from that trade:

https://nypost.com/2020/02/20/jets-have-more-nfl-draft-2020-picks-than-initially-thought/

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

I hope that having a camp with the Bills in 2023 will increase his touches because he is a great weapon...if used correctly.


Unfortunately for Hines and the Bills, it won't happen in 2023.

Hines suffered a significant knee injury off site before training camp even started.

Expected to miss the entire season.

Hopefully the Colts can get through camp and pre-season without too many injuries.


https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1683454732227039233

Bills RB Nyheim Hines suffered a significant knee injury off-site and is expected to miss the entire 2023 season, sources tell me and Rapoport.

A tough break for Buffalo and the versatile Hines, who was acquired at the trade deadline last fall.

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1683518344765358080

Nyheim Hines suffered an ACL injury in his left knee and surgery is likely to occur this week.

[nate505]

Man, poor guy can't catch a break.

While I probably wouldn't be messing around on jet skis if I were a professional athlete, it appears he was just sitting on one and was crashed into. Fucking sucks.

[Colts And Orioles]

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FggLsUPXwAA3VAO?format=jpg&name=900x900

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Hines' most recent injury just made the trade look even better for the Colts.

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[Dam8610]

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Hines' most recent injury just made the trade look even better for the Colts.

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Did the Colts get that 2023 6th?

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Did the Colts get that 2023 6th?


Yes, the Colts received a draft pick from this trade.

It was a conditional draft pick - the conditions were met and the pick was upgraded to a 5th instead (Pick 162).

The Colts selected TE Will Mallory with the pick.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Man, poor guy can't catch a break.


Could be a costly injury for Hines:


https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/nyheim-hines-bills-at-odds-over-financial-consequences-of-his-non-football-injury

By: Mike Florio


Nyheim Hines, Bills at odds over financial consequences of his non-football injury

The player who gave the Bills and the rest of the league the feel-good story of Week 18 is currently not feeling good about the Bills.

Running back Nyheim Hines, who recently suffered a season-ending knee injury while sitting on a stationary jet ski, is currently caught in a conflict with the team over what he will or won’t be paid in 2023.

Hines capped the 2022 regular season by returning two kickoffs for touchdowns against the Patriots in the first Bills game played following Damar Hamlin’s on-field cardiac arrest.

Hines’s agent, Ed Wasielewski, posted this observation on Twitter earlier today: “Adversity reveals character. Everyone has a choice to treat others with respect and dignity. It’s revealing when an employee is injured to see how a company takes care of its own. I will continue to believe that people will do the right thing when bad things happen to their own.”

It does not take a genius (which qualifies me to make the assessment) to conclude that Wasielewski is referring to Hines. Per multiple sources, the Bills and Hines are indeed at odds over the situation.

Because Hines suffered a non-football injury, his salary of $2.56 million gets wiped away, without question. Things get sticky on the question of whether and to what extent Hines owes money back to the Bills.

Earlier this year, Hines signed a revised contract that replaced the deal he signed with the Colts in 2021. The two-year, $9 million deal included a $1 million signing bonus, a $100,000 workout bonus for 2023, a base salary of $2.56 million for 2023, and $340,000 in per-game roster bonuses.

Hines has received $600,000 of his signing bonus. The Bills, per multiple sources, have proposed withholding the $400,000 installment due later this year, along with the $100,000 workout bonus that Hines earned in the offseason. That would represent reimbursement of half of the signing bonus covering the two-year contract.

The Bills also are willing to pay Hines $289,000 in 2023, which matches the highest amount that can be paid to a practice-squad player.

If Hines doesn’t accept the offer to give up $500,000 in earned bonus money and to receive $289,000, the Bills will: (1) keep the $500,000; and (2) potentially pursue the $1.5 million signing bonus allocation for 2023 from Hines’s prior contract with the Colts. While it could be difficult for the Bills to collect signing-bonus money paid by another team on a contract that was superseded after Hines was traded from the Colts to the Bills, Hines runs the risk of facing that argument — and losing on it — if this ends up in a formal grievance.

Hines also could win, both as to the $1.5 million and as to the $500,000. His signing bonus addendum does not expressly identify jet skiing as a prohibited activity. Moreover, the collision happened while Hines was sitting on a jet ski that was at the dock and not moving.

Hines remains under contract through 2024. How the Bills ultimately treat Hines now will surely influence his mindset and attitude next year, and it could impact the way other players feel about the organization. The Bills surely realize this. What they ultimately do about it remains to be seen.

[Colts And Orioles]

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Zack Moss Embodies Colts’ Mentality With Gritty, Career-Best Showing in Week 3 Win Over Ravens

(By J.J. Stankevitz)

https://www.colts.com/news/zack-moss-running-back-ravens-win-100-yard-game-fantasy-football-touchdown




https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/private/t_editorial_landscape_mobile/f_auto/colts/cmjhywdswj13vjtkvk78.jpg

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[Brylok]

Jets are apparently signing Trevor Siemian. Ouch. There goes any talk of trading them Minchew.

[ChaosTheory]

Jets are apparently signing Trevor Siemian. Ouch. There goes any talk of trading them Minchew.

Steichen wasn't going to let Minshew leave Richardson. I think he's real big on him as a teammate. And obviously you can do worse at backup QB.

[ChoppedWood]

Jets are apparently signing Trevor Siemian. Ouch. There goes any talk of trading them Minchew.

Broadway Joe is 100% right in his condemnation. The whole franchise needs to be shit canned- Trevor Siemian, and you have every other ingredient for a SB. Gimme 500 Ballard's to that bullshit!

[Colts And Orioles]

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In my rat's ass of an opinion, the combination of Jonathan Taylor and Zach Moss may very well be as good as the combination of ) Mercury Morris and Larry Csonka, ) the first time ever in which a team had two 1,000-rayd rushers (1972.)





https://media.gettyimages.com/id/98290462/photo/running-back-larry-csonka-of-the-miami-dolphins-watches-the-action-from-the-bench-with-teammate.jpg?s=612x612&w=gi&k=20&c=Ru8zHFzBLjASe4XEMS5vpfDsUCY8uoFzvmEEL7LEf4o=
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[Oldcolt]

Agreed about our backs. To bad it isn’t the 1970’s anymore

[Colts And Orioles]

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In my rat's ass of an opinion, the combination of Jonathan Taylor and Zach Moss may very well be as good as the combination of ) Mercury Morris and Larry Csonka, ) the first time ever in which a team had two 1,000-rayd rushers (1972.)





https://media.gettyimages.com/id/98290462/photo/running-back-larry-csonka-of-the-miami-dolphins-watches-the-action-from-the-bench-with-teammate.jpg?s=612x612&w=gi&k=20&c=Ru8zHFzBLjASe4XEMS5vpfDsUCY8uoFzvmEEL7LEf4o=
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(vs. PATRIOTS, 11/12)


Zack Moss had 1 carry for 2 yards yesterday ...... the Colts have been using him a lot less in their last 2 games against the Saints and the Patriots.

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[Oldcolt]

I posted that Moss wasn't getting any love. He isn't and it is a shame. I would like to see our best offensive weapons on the field at the same time and that would include Taylor and Moss. There must be ways of using them both together, I want to see Taylor more involved in our passing game anyway. This isn't Kick/Csonka by any means.

[Dam8610]

I posted that Moss wasn't getting any love. He isn't and it is a shame. I would like to see our best offensive weapons on the field at the same time and that would include Taylor and Moss. There must be ways of using them both together, I want to see Taylor more involved in our passing game anyway. This isn't Kick/Csonka by any means.

In the Cheats game this past week, there were at least a few snaps where both RBs were flanking Minshew in shotgun. On one of those plays, both Moss and Taylor crossed in front on Minshew, indicating they would be running the ball, with Minshew handing off to Taylor. I think deploying this strategy and formation more could potentially help the run game quite a bit, provided they don't make it obvious which back they're giving it to each time.

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(vs. PATRIOTS, 11/12)


Zack Moss had 1 carry for 2 yards yesterday ...... the Colts have been using him a lot less in their last 2 games against the Saints and the Patriots.

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(vs. BUCCANEERS, 11/26)



The 2-headed monster was back today.



ZACK MOSS llllllllllllllllllllllllll. - l 18 l Carries, l 55 l Yards, l 6.9 YPC


JONATHAN TAYLOR llllllll) - , 15 l Carries, l 91 l Yards, l 6.1 YPC


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