Ryan benched?

[bigalbert]

My son just texted me Ehlinger is in
True or nah?


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[Brylok]

My son just texted me Ehlinger is in
True or nah?


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Apparently it's true. I'm seeing multiple accounts on Twitter saying the same. JMV says he'll have the story on his show today. Gonna be interesting. Makes the game against Washington watchable anyway.

[nate505]

Looks like it. Just created a thread myself but you beat me to the punch haha.

[ChaosTheory]

Saying Ryan has a shoulder injury. He was grabbing his arm yesterday.

[Chromeburn]

Separated shoulder is the rumor on twitter

[CletusPyle]

This is the perfect game to give Sam a shot...suddenly I am interested in this team again!

[ChaosTheory]

Separated shoulder is the rumor on twitter

Just read Chappell saying it's a grade 2 sprain in his throwing shoulder. But he also said they were going with Ehlinger regardless.

Turnovers are too much.

[Brylok]

Some of us were saying it in the game thread yesterday: just say he's injured and put Sam in. If he really is injured, and he probably is after the beating he's taken for seven weeks, I hope he has a full recovery.

Am reading that Ehlinger will finish the rest of the season as QB1

[Lov2fish]

Third and short and we have a chance if nothing is open. He can scoot a little.

[Oldcolt]

For me this means I can watch with interest again, especially if we pull off a trade for a guard. Don’t really think we can win big this year but at least we are looking toward the future. You never k me with QBs and Ehlinger is a huge long shot but we may be lucky and catch lightening in the bottle. Let’s hope Ehlinger does well and saves Franks job and our season. Ryan needs to retire.

[Spike]

Damn, one week too late.

Don't really know what Sam can or can't do, but I really know what Ryan can't do. Can't be a statue out there with this overpaid Oline.

Can we also sit Reich out too.

If we are going to lose anyway, can't we at least be entertained? For the first time in a long damn time, I missed the Colts game. Just didn't care to watch it.

And please don't put Foles out there, just another washed up old dude who can't move.

All the old QB's such as Brady, Rodgers, and Ryan need to hang them up. Brady really looks like shit too, but that's a good thing.

[rcubed]

well, this move should provide more interest in watching the rest of the season!




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[ChaosTheory]

So Reich himself said it was a separation, not a sprain.

I've had a separated shoulder and it took weeks to get over and I wasn't a 37 year old QB trying to throw a ball and take hits.

I think the Ehlinger embrace might be coming after they talked and realized Ryan couldn't recover from this very quickly. I could be wrong

[Oldcolt]

I’m not so sure that this is a decision because of any injury to Ryan. I believe this has been at least thought about for a few weeks. Promoting Ehlinger to second string was a move that may have presaged this move. The injury deal saves Ryan some face. Why would they say Sam is the starter going forward if this was about an injury to Ryan? They don’t want any controversy when Ryan is ready to play in a few weeks.

[Hoopsdoc]

Total desperation time. Unless he’s legitimately hurt.

Apparently Reich said they were going to Ehlinger anyway even if Ryan weren’t hurt. That seems weird to me. Why say that?

Saying that was completely unnecessary. Now it’s gonna be hard to go back to Ryan if they need to. Which they will because Ehlinger blows.

Just say Sam is starting because Ryan is hurt.

[1965southpaw]

Total desperation time. Unless he’s legitimately hurt.

Apparently Reich said they were going to Ehlinger anyway even if Ryan weren’t hurt. That seems weird to me. Why say that?

Saying that was completely unnecessary. Now it’s gonna be hard to go back to Ryan if they need to. Which they will because Ehlinger blows.

Just say Sam is starting because Ryan is hurt.


JMV is reporting that it’s believed they plan to stick with Ehlinger through the rest of the season and that Irsay leaned hard on them to go that direction. JMV didn’t say this explicitly but implied that Irsay would prefer we put ourselves in better drafting position if Ehlinger sucks. Of course nobody would admit to such publicly.

[Hoopsdoc]

JMV is reporting that it’s believed they plan to stick with Ehlinger through the rest of the season and that Irsay leaned hard on them to go that direction. JMV didn’t say this explicitly but implied that Irsay would prefer we put ourselves in better drafting position if Ehlinger sucks. Of course nobody would admit to such publicly.

Sorry, but I’m not buying that. Jim doesn’t care about the draft, he wants to win. And he’s never been a meddler.

Besides, it’s not like they’re out of the hunt. They’re 3-3-1.

I don’t think this came from Jim, but if it did, it’s because he thinks Ehlinger is better.

[Spike]

JMV is reporting that it’s believed they plan to stick with Ehlinger through the rest of the season and that Irsay leaned hard on them to go that direction. JMV didn’t say this explicitly but implied that Irsay would prefer we put ourselves in better drafting position if Ehlinger sucks. Of course nobody would admit to such publicly.

My gut feeling is that Irsay got tired of this shit, pretty much like every other Colt fan on the planet. Reich's leash is pretty damn short right now, as it should be, possibly even to a lesser extent Ballards.

[Dewey 5]

well, this move should provide more interest in watching the rest of the season!




Also, check this tweet !
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Matt Ryan 2022 Cap charges:
Colts: $20 million (as a backup)
Falcons: $40 million (as a Colt)
Ryan is also guaranteed 12 mill next year. Pretty big cap hit for a guy that probably won’t be here.

[ChaosTheory]

Total desperation time. Unless he’s legitimately hurt.

Apparently Reich said they were going to Ehlinger anyway even if Ryan weren’t hurt. That seems weird to me. Why say that?

Saying that was completely unnecessary. Now it’s gonna be hard to go back to Ryan if they need to. Which they will because Ehlinger blows.

Just say Sam is starting because Ryan is hurt.

Part of me thinks it's just for Ehlinger's confidence, regardless of the true reason for his promotion.

As for what the true reason is... if Ryan's injury to his throwing shoulder is severe; at his age, it might be the case that they all see his return window near the end of the season anyway. So why bother bringing him back? This is what I lean toward.

Then I think... well, they did already move Ehlinger ahead of Foles before any of this injury stuff. Maybe he was on his way up and Ryan's bad game was the coup de grace for his season.

[njcoltfan]

My gut feeling is that Irsay got tired of this shit, pretty much like every other Colt fan on the planet. Reich's leash is pretty damn short right now, as it should be, possibly even to a lesser extent Ballards.

Let the rebuild begin !! Ellinger starts and either has what it takes or he doesn't, if he doesn't you start evaluating the QB's in this years draft and hopefully the Colt's do what is necessary to get the one they like. In the meantime maybe they make a deal or two for an OL or DT !! Going to be a fun final 10 games, looking at the rest of the schedule I don't see many wins.

[Dewey 5]

Let the rebuild begin !! Ellinger starts and either has what it takes or he doesn't, if he doesn't you start evaluating the QB's in this years draft and hopefully the Colt's do what is necessary to get the one they like. In the meantime maybe they make a deal or two for an OL or DT !! Going to be a fun final 10 games, looking at the rest of the schedule I don't see many wins.

And I don’t want Reich or Ballard around for a rebuild. Reich is probably gone & Ballard should be canned as well.

[Racehorse]

Total desperation time. Unless he’s legitimately hurt.

Apparently Reich said they were going to Ehlinger anyway even if Ryan weren’t hurt. That seems weird to me. Why say that?

Saying that was completely unnecessary. Now it’s gonna be hard to go back to Ryan if they need to. Which they will because Ehlinger blows.

Just say Sam is starting because Ryan is hurt.

I figured they would use a thumb excuse. Huh!

[ChoppedWood]

And I don’t want Reich or Ballard around for a rebuild. Reich is probably gone & Ballard should be canned as well.

100%!

No matter who the next QB is, Reich cannot be allowed to pollute them with whatever chaos he foments in these guys. Dude is in NO way some form of QB whisperer, he is just a whisperer and his voice needs to be completely lost!

[Hoopsdoc]

100%!

No matter who the next QB is, Reich cannot be allowed to pollute them with whatever chaos he foments in these guys. Dude is in NO way some form of QB whisperer, he is just a whisperer and his voice needs to be completely lost!

Ballard is as much or more to blame than Reich. Going into the season with Pryor and Pinter as starters should get him fired on principle alone.

[ChoppedWood]

Ballard is as much or more to blame than Reich. Going into the season with Pryor and Pinter as starters should get him fired on principle alone.

100% which reinforces my view that the two are WAAAAAYYYY to comfortable patting each other on the back for being great at what they do. Frank got to see all these dudes in camp and to NOT go to Ballard with a WTF, no, this isn't happening, these guys are awful, well then there simply must be a bunch of back scratching bullshit going on!

[Chaka]

This is awful.

[Luck4Reich]

100%!

No matter who the next QB is, Reich cannot be allowed to pollute them with whatever chaos he foments in these guys. Dude is in NO way some form of QB whisperer, he is just a whisperer and his voice needs to be completely lost!

Definitely no QB whisperer lol.

Reich was part of a season where a QB duo caught fire with a team that got hot and won a SB.

Maybe he is a decent position coach like Pagano but just like Pagano has no business being a head coach.

[omahacolt]

Ballard is as much or more to blame than Reich. Going into the season with Pryor and Pinter as starters should get him fired on principle alone.

yeah but reich gave those guys no real competition

[Hoopsdoc]

yeah but reich gave those guys no real competition

Lol. Who the hell else did he have? Raimann wasn’t ready. Dennis Kelly was hurt. French and Fries sucked. There literally WAS no one else.

They should have kept either Glo or Reed. Letting them both walk was ridiculous.

[Hoopsdoc]

The more I think about this, the more stunning it is. It’s a concession that the team Ballard put together, specifically at offensive line, isn’t good enough for the quarterback they have.

This is 1000 percent Ballards fault. And the sad thing is, the offensive line still can’t block.

So they’re really setting Ehlinger up for failure, not that he would have succeeded anyway.

It’s just mind boggling how far and how fast this season went off the rails. Now we’re down to hoping for a miracle.

[apballin]

With this defense all we need is a QB to manage the fuckon game and not turn the ball over that’s it!!!

RPO should be way more effective and atleast if the play breaks down he can run

First and foremost don’t turn the fuckin ball over

[Brylok]

We are getting bantered on AFC south message boards. The other teams are clowning us. Deservedly so I guess. I know I'd be doing the same.

[ChaosTheory]

Lol. Who the hell else did he have? Raimann wasn’t ready. Dennis Kelly was hurt. French and Fries sucked. There literally WAS no one else.

They should have kept either Glo or Reed. Letting them both walk was ridiculous.

I questioned letting Glo and Reed go, too. But Glo was universally considered to weakest starter on our OL and Reed is a career backup. Pinter had good enough tape last year that it wasn't crazy to pin him in at RG (btw, he looked way better again at center even this year). It didn't work out.

Pryor is the biggest failure on Ballard's resumé. Again, his tape last year didn't translate. We also can't prove a negative in terms of what they tried in free agency. But they did draft Raimann who everybody seemed to like. And he did bring in Kelly.

[Dam8610]

I questioned letting Glo and Reed go, too. But Glo was universally considered to weakest starter on our OL and Reed is a career backup. Pinter had good enough tape last year that it wasn't crazy to pin him in at RG (btw, he looked way better again at center even this year). It didn't work out.

Pryor is the biggest failure on Ballard's resumé. Again, his tape last year didn't translate. We also can't prove a negative in terms of what they tried in free agency. But they did draft Raimann who everybody seemed to like. And he did bring in Kelly.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/F/FishEr00.htm

He's still a free agent. He provided average LT play last year. Can't "prove a negative" by finding out what they tried to do to fix LT, but you certainly can make the criticism that bringing back average LT Fisher would've been by far the better move than gifting the starting LT spot to Matt Pryor based on one start at the end of last season.

[rcubed]

With this defense all we need is a QB to manage the fuckon game and not turn the ball over that’s it!!!

RPO should be way more effective and atleast if the play breaks down he can run

First and foremost don’t turn the fuckin ball over


Stop. We need more than that.


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[apballin]

Stop. We need more than that.


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No we don’t

That dumbass pick 6 was the difference in the game and him making it easy on Vrabel only throwing check down to Campbell

[ChaosTheory]

but you certainly can make the criticism that bringing back average LT Fisher would've been by far the better move than gifting the starting LT spot to Matt Pryor based on one start at the end of last season.

Sure, you can. I just said Pryor is his biggest failure and I questioned Glow/Reed. But here's a few things:

1.) Fisher (and by proxy Ballard) was shit on pretty regularly last season. Not a no-brainer to bring him back.

2.) They had 5 starts and 5 more games of 25+% snaps worth of tape on Pryor, even though I know he wasn't exclusively LT. I don't remember him looking like this last season. How could he have?

3.) Fisher also hasn't been signed by any other team that could use "average" LT play. Must be a reason.

4.) There's a difference between criticizing moves that don't work (like you're doing) and calling for Ballard's head while ignoring all the good things that he provided (e.g., virtually the entire defense, Pitt, Pierce, JT, Granson, Woods, etc.).

[Chaka]

Sure, you can. I just said Pryor is his biggest failure and I questioned Glow/Reed. But here's a few things:

1.) Fisher (and by proxy Ballard) was shit on pretty regularly last season. Not a no-brainer to bring him back.

2.) They had 5 starts and 5 more games of 25+% snaps worth of tape on Pryor, even though I know he wasn't exclusively LT. I don't remember him looking like this last season. How could he have?

3.) Fisher also hasn't been signed by any other team that could use "average" LT play. Must be a reason.

4.) There's a difference between criticizing moves that don't work (like you're doing) and calling for Ballard's head while ignoring all the good things that he provided (e.g., virtually the entire defense, Pitt, Pierce, JT, Granson, Woods, etc.).

Excellent points.

Any I'll add that there's the rampant assumption here and elsewhere that if the Colts simply decided to re-sign these guys, they could have. That's not reality. If I recall correctly, the Colts tried to re-sign both Reed (who wanted to return home to Minnesota) and Fisher (who simply chose not to sign). The player has to want to sign here too. Same goes for free agents.

[JAFF]

Did anyone here think the O line would be this bad, in both run and pass plays?

If they dont step up their play, Ehrlinger doesnt stand a chance

[albany ed]

The OL is a complete mystery. I've seen plays where even their super stud Nelson gets knocked on his ass in a one on one pass blocking exchange. I'm not sure why the OL is as bad as it is, but it's way worse than it should be. Ballard put this OL together, and they're just not performing up to their potential, that is not Ballard's fault. He could have done better, especially in addressing the LT position, but RT has completely shit the bed after a few years of unanimous belief that they had a stud at that position. Nelson was thought to be one of, if not the best guard in the NFL but he's looking like a bottom 10 so far this year. Center had been a strong point but not this year. The whole OL is shit and that's on them and possibly on the coaching.

Last year, the major complaints on this board were the shitty QB and the lack of a pass rush. If you have enough holes, you're in triage, trying to fix the biggest ones first and discovering that you cannot fix them all.

Bottom line, Ryan was not the answer, and the OL is shit. I say, think about trading some of them (especially Nelson) while you can still get value for them. They certainly are not worth the enormous money the Colts are spending on them.

Finally, I'm excited about the new QB. I don't know what to expect, but that's why I'm excited. I knew that Ryan was done, he should retire at season's end. I'm looking at next week with hope and wonder, and to me, that's why I love football.

[Hoopsdoc]

Did anyone here think the O line would be this bad, in both run and pass plays?

If they dont step up their play, Ehrlinger doesnt stand a chance

Thats the most stunning part for me. I never dreamed going into the year that they would be THIS bad. Everything else that has plagued this team has started from how inconceivably bad the o line has been.

It’s just unbelievable. I said before, I want guys cut. Kelly and Braden Smith for sure. It’s inexcusable to be as bad as they are while making the money they do.

[omahacolt]

Lol. Who the hell else did he have? Raimann wasn’t ready. Dennis Kelly was hurt. French and Fries sucked. There literally WAS no one else.

They should have kept either Glo or Reed. Letting them both walk was ridiculous.

reed was the smart choice to keep.

and you can't tell me fries isn't better than pinter

[Hoopsdoc]

Also, why announce this now? Why not just send him out there Sunday? This way, Washington has the whole week to prepare for him. There was no reason for saying it publicly.

They should have done what Belichick did with Jones and Zappe- just say Ryan is limited in practice all week and then start Ehlinger on Sunday.

There’s literally nothing to gain by announcing it on Monday.

[Hoopsdoc]

reed was the smart choice to keep.

and you can't tell me fries isn't better than pinter

Odds are he’s not or he’d be playing, as desperate as they are.

[albany ed]

Also, why announce this now? Why not just send him out there Sunday? This way, Washington has the whole week to prepare for him. There was no reason for saying it publicly.

They should have done what Belichick did with Jones and Zappe- just say Ryan is limited in practice all week and then start Ehlinger on Sunday.

There’s literally nothing to gain by announcing it on Monday.

Except maybe to instill confidence in Ehlinger and let the OL know that they may be the reason Ryan got benched. They've even announced he's the starter from here on out, thus negating the need for him to do or die in his first start. He's under enough pressure as it is.

[Oldcolt]

I think that the shit play of our lineman has been since COVID. This disease, and its still not understood well LONG COVID, affects people differently. Even a small decrease in physical or mental ability, at this level, would be a disaster. I am not discounting the absolutely shit play we have had to endure at LT and RG, they make any putting of blame on anything but them difficult. It just seems that going into COVID we had a top 5 line, coming out a bottom 5. I just can’t believe it is total coincidence. And please if we cannot get into a vaccine argument I would appreciate it. I am just talking about this disease itself.

[YDFL Commish]

reed was the smart choice to keep.

and you can't tell me fries isn't better than pinter

Or Pryor.

[Hoopsdoc]

Or Pryor.

That’s what’s funny to me. Reich says “we think Sam will be a tremendous player for us”.

Yeah well, you thought Matt Pryor could play left tackle.

[YDFL Commish]

That’s what’s funny to me. Reich says “we think Sam will be a tremendous player for us”.

Yeah well, you thought Matt Pryor could play left tackle.

Matt Pryor doesn't even belong in the NFL.

[JAFF]

I think that the shit play of our lineman has been since COVID. This disease, and its still not understood well LONG COVID, affects people differently. Even a small decrease in physical or mental ability, at this level, would be a disaster. I am not discounting the absolutely shit play we have had to endure at LT and RG, they make any putting of blame on anything but them difficult. It just seems that going into COVID we had a top 5 line, coming out a bottom 5. I just can’t believe it is total coincidence. And please if we cannot get into a vaccine argument I would appreciate it. I am just talking about this disease itself.

I dont believe it is physical. Its something personal

[Brylok]

In case anyone doesn't know, people who live outside of the Indianapolis area can listen to JMV, Kevin and Quarry, Dakich etc via their podcasts or on the 1070 app. Google podcasts has the shows, I'm assuming Spotify and the others do as well. Entertaining stuff.

[ChoppedWood]

In case anyone doesn't know, people who live outside of the Indianapolis area can listen to JMV, Kevin and Quarry, Dakich etc via their podcasts or on the 1070 app. Google podcasts has the shows, I'm assuming Spotify and the others do as well. Entertaining stuff.

JMV has basically become openly hostile towards Frank. It had been Dakic way out front with the overt anger over Frank but JMV is just as open about how bad he thinks Frank is. Dude should just step down.

[albany ed]

JMV has basically become openly hostile towards Frank. It had been Dakic way out front with the overt anger over Frank but JMV is just as open about how bad he thinks Frank is. Dude should just step down.

Is that what you would do if you were Frank?

[MeSayDayo]

Looking at this realistically, is there any chance in hell that Frank lasts this season?
Does anyone else think that this move basically forecasts his departure in Indianapolis, staying consistent with Irsay's refusal to fire a coach mid season?
I do.
The more I think about it, and also considering his obvious miscues so far, I think Ballard survives the slaughtering.
I still would take a GM that can consistently hit on mid round picks over most of the rest of the league that typically doesn't. If THAT is your floor as a GM, I will take it. The frugal spending in FA? You can fix that, but I am glad that Ballard hasn't spent big in FA because our team has proven we aren't contenders. Not until we get our QB.
I also think he has learned a big lesson on roster building that I don't expect him to do again with us if he sticks around.
Ultimately, I think Ballard has his core philosophies that he likes to stick to- pay your own guys, build your team through the draft with measurable and character prospects, and focus on the trenches.
If Ballard truly is a guy that rewards based on merit, then in theory he should be a guy that punishes based on merit too- and I think we have seen that with Wentz seeing the door, Ryan seeing the bench, etc.
I wouldn't be shocked at all to see any of our star O-lineman get traded. None of them are playing up to their monetary value.

[ChoppedWood]

Is that what you would do if you were Frank?

I would like to think that if I:
- Wasn't very good at what I did, and I knew it
- I was routinely scorned by essentially everyone for my ineptness at what I am paid for

Well I would like to think I would have the stones to step forward and vacate. That said, I would also assume he has a contract clause that says he gets a shit load of money if he is fired and none if just quits, so there's probably that motivation to just ride it till the wheels fall off unfortunately. Which absolutely sucks for the franchise and for us.

[Indystu2]

I would be surprised if Frank is fired during the season. I can see assigning play calling to someone else, but not replacing the HC mid-season. Having said that, I don't know who I would assign play calling to...

[MeSayDayo]

I would be surprised if Frank is fired during the season. I can see assigning play calling to someone else, but not replacing the HC mid-season. Having said that, I don't know who I would assign play calling to...

I'd give Matty Ice a crack at it. You can hold a playcalling sheet in a sling, cant you?
I am sure he has better ideas about how to scheme than Franks dusty old tired ideas. He might actually stay with a guy if he is hot.

[Chromeburn]

JMV has basically become openly hostile towards Frank. It had been Dakic way out front with the overt anger over Frank but JMV is just as open about how bad he thinks Frank is. Dude should just step down.

Because they think the administration should take all their advice and they then call them smug for not doing it. When you go from sports reporter to just another armchair QB. I listen to them too, but they aren't right about everything. I listened to them talk about getting a vet receiver all off-season, but I don't hear them complain now unless there is an injury.

[omahacolt]

Odds are he’s not or he’d be playing, as desperate as they are.

what? with how the coaches have fucked up this oline, how can you possibly say that?

[rcubed]

I wouldn't be shocked at all to see any of our star O-lineman get traded. None of them are playing up to their monetary value.
But who will take underperforming overpaid Olinemen?

[rcubed]

Looking at this realistically, is there any chance in hell that Frank lasts this season?
Does anyone else think that this move basically forecasts his departure in Indianapolis, staying consistent with Irsay's refusal to fire a coach mid season?
I do.
The more I think about it, and also considering his obvious miscues so far, I think Ballard survives the slaughtering.
I still would take a GM that can consistently hit on mid round picks over most of the rest of the league that typically doesn't. If THAT is your floor as a GM, I will take it. The frugal spending in FA? You can fix that, but I am glad that Ballard hasn't spent big in FA because our team has proven we aren't contenders. Not until we get our QB.
I also think he has learned a big lesson on roster building that I don't expect him to do again with us if he sticks around.
Ultimately, I think Ballard has his core philosophies that he likes to stick to- pay your own guys, build your team through the draft with measurable and character prospects, and focus on the trenches.
If Ballard truly is a guy that rewards based on merit, then in theory he should be a guy that punishes based on merit too- and I think we have seen that with Wentz seeing the door, Ryan seeing the bench, etc.
I wouldn't be shocked at all to see any of our star O-lineman get traded. None of them are playing up to their monetary value.
I think Frank will be replaced after the season, not during.

Ballard will be retained but I bet Irsay works with him to adjust some of the philosophy. They cant have another issue like the LT situation again. They had plenty of warning and opportunity to find a replacement for castonzo and failed badly.

[ChaosTheory]

Ballard will be retained but I bet Irsay works with him to adjust some of the philosophy. They cant have another issue like the LT situation again. They had plenty of warning and opportunity to find a replacement for castonzo and failed badly.

Well, if they keep Ballard, which I think they will and should do, it'll be because of the philosophy. They were either wrong about Pryor or they couldn't get another guy they wanted. But they did draft Raimann and I don't remember anybody throwing their hands up when he signed Eric Fisher last year.

Also, we needed guys on DL which fans were screaming about at the time. In Castonzo's last year, he brought Buckner in. Then he spent draft picks on Kwity and Dayo. And this year he brought Ngakoue in. Fans would be upset if he didn't address this.

[albany ed]

But who will take underperforming overpaid Olinemen?

Washington, Dallas and of course, the Jets.

[rcubed]

Well, if they keep Ballard, which I think they will and should do, it'll be because of the philosophy. They were either wrong about Pryor or they couldn't get another guy they wanted. But they did draft Raimann and I don't remember anybody throwing their hands up when he signed Eric Fisher last year.

Also, we needed guys on DL which fans were screaming about at the time. In Castonzo's last year, he brought Buckner in. Then he spent draft picks on Kwity and Dayo. And this year he brought Ngakoue in. Fans would be upset if he didn't address this.

fans are always upset

[Chaka]

Washington, Dallas and of course, the Jets.

I think it would be crazy to sell low on these guys. Nelson and Smith are 26, Kelly is 29. They're all high draft picks, and they've all shown the ability to play at a high level in prior seasons, in most cases even after getting big contracts (Nelson excluded since his big contract was just this last offseason). Absent an injury explanation, it seems like an obvious coaching issue to me, so dumping these guys based upon this year's performance would be a mistake.

[TheMugwump]

This is awful.

Agree. It reeks of desperation, and it's a mistake.

Sam has the legs of Bobby Douglas.

Unfortunately, he has the arm of Bernie Kosar.

(That's for you, C&O).

[HoosierinFL]

I think it would be crazy to sell low on these guys. Nelson and Smith are 26, Kelly is 29. They're all high draft picks, and they've all shown the ability to play at a high level in prior seasons, in most cases even after getting big contracts (Nelson excluded since his big contract was just this last offseason). Absent an injury explanation, it seems like an obvious coaching issue to me, so dumping these guys based upon this year's performance would be a mistake.

I've been saying it was a coaching issue that has accumulated over the last few seasons because even last year the oline wasn't as good as they were in 2019 and 20. I keep thinking that after firing DeGuglielmo that the line as turned soft.

[Chromeburn]

I've been saying it was a coaching issue that has accumulated over the last few seasons because even last year the oline wasn't as good as they were in 2019 and 20. I keep thinking that after firing DeGuglielmo that the line as turned soft.

Here’s what I think is happening. Pryor is 6’7 350lbs. He is too big and slow to play either position. He isn’t fast enough for speed on the outside and was getting beat even by stunts. In comparison Smith is like 50lbs lighter, he can keep up with guys. It messed up the spacing and Nelson feels he has to cover both sides and worry about his guy. Move him to guard and yeah he is good when he gets hands on you, but he is too slow to do that with anyone but NTs. So he can’t drop faster enough so that makes Smith not drop enough bc he doesn’t want to create a huge hole every down for delayed blitzes. Teams are just throwing their speed at the line and crowding running lanes.

This is not a great QB class, it’s just better than last year. There are some projects in there if you want one. If they don’t like a QB, they should take the best tackle they can. Maybe Raimann can play guard or RT. He’s only a 3rd rounder. I would also think about replacing Kelly, but let’s see how he does with Ehlinger. Next year is a better QB class.

[albany ed]

I think it would be crazy to sell low on these guys. Nelson and Smith are 26, Kelly is 29. They're all high draft picks, and they've all shown the ability to play at a high level in prior seasons, in most cases even after getting big contracts (Nelson excluded since his big contract was just this last offseason). Absent an injury explanation, it seems like an obvious coaching issue to me, so dumping these guys based upon this year's performance would be a mistake.

I'm not advocating selling low, but I would be listening to any offers with no exceptions. Clearly, there are no OLmen on this squad that are being under paid. And the way they're playing this year, their paychecks should come gift wrapped. Nelson and Smith (26) and Kelly (29) count for over 30 million against the cap. I'm not sure how much their cap hit will be next year, but it's a big hit. Worth it? Certainly not this year.

[nate505]

This is awful.

It might end up being that way, but as of now I can't see the harm. Ryan is decent when the line gives him time, but unfortunately, the line does not give him time. Or they are extremely inconsistent at it.

Everyone wants Ballard's head, but IMO, this is either coaching or the players themselves. Yeah, I get it, LT sucks, but it doesn't suck to the point that everyone just completely forgot how to play football. Even Nelson looks quite bad, and just on one on one plays.

[ChaosTheory]

It might end up being that way

I've got 40 questions in my head that all end with ^^^ that statement.

I don't know about the rest of you guys, but it's only Wednesday and the wait this week is fucking killing me. Can't even start to answer any of these questions until Sunday.

[Hoopsdoc]

I'm not advocating selling low, but I would be listening to any offers with no exceptions. Clearly, there are no OLmen on this squad that are being under paid. And the way they're playing this year, their paychecks should come gift wrapped. Nelson and Smith (26) and Kelly (29) count for over 30 million against the cap. I'm not sure how much their cap hit will be next year, but it's a big hit. Worth it? Certainly not this year.

If someone wants Kelly, I wouldn’t hesitate to trade him. Pinter has shown he’s MUCH better at center than he is at guard.

[Chromeburn]

It might end up being that way, but as of now I can't see the harm. Ryan is decent when the line gives him time, but unfortunately, the line does not give him time. Or they are extremely inconsistent at it.

Everyone wants Ballard's head, but IMO, this is either coaching or the players themselves. Yeah, I get it, LT sucks, but it doesn't suck to the point that everyone just completely forgot how to play football. Even Nelson looks quite bad, and just on one on one plays.

I actually don’t want either fired. You can’t switch the QB every year and expect success. Just doesn’t work that way. When a new QB comes in it takes half a year at least to learn a new system. I bc actually thought Ryan would do better next year than this one.

Ballard irritates me some especially when he doesn’t address a problem. But he is an astute talent evaluator and that’s the biggest part of the job. Eventually we will get a QB for longer than one year and I think the rest of the talent will form around that. Also I think Reich would be a good developer of a rookie QB. Everyone just got impatient with the retreads.

And yes I’m ok with the build style. Everyone thinks you have to build a team with QB and weapon to throw all the time but forgets we were sporting that build before everyone else. Got just one super bowl win, and that was only because the running game and defense peaked. Now we have the other elements but need the smart qB play to go with it.

You switch the coach, you are likely looking at a full rebuild. He will want his own DC, OC. Will want to run his own style and then the talent to fit that system.

[Hoopsdoc]

I actually don’t want either fired. You can’t switch the QB every year and expect success. Just doesn’t work that way. When a new QB comes in it takes half a year at least to learn a new system. I bc actually thought Ryan would do better next year than this one.

Ballard irritates me some especially when he doesn’t address a problem. But he is an astute talent evaluator and that’s the biggest part of the job. Eventually we will get a QB for longer than one year and I think the rest of the talent will form around that. Also I think Reich would be a good developer of a rookie QB. Everyone just got impatient with the retreads.

And yes I’m ok with the build style. Everyone thinks you have to build a team with QB and weapon to throw all the time but forgets we were sporting that build before everyone else. Got just one super bowl win, and that was only because the running game and defense peaked. Now we have the other elements but need the smart qB play to go with it.

You switch the coach, you are likely looking at a full rebuild. He will want his own DC, OC. Will want to run his own style and then the talent to fit that system.

People always just assume that the next guy will be better and that’s hardly ever the case. Reich is way better than Pagano but before that you have to go all the way back to Dungy replacing Mora to find the a Colts coach who was better than the one he replaced.

Odds are that if they fire Reich, the guy that replaces him will be worse, or at least no better.

Personally, I don’t think Reich is a terrible coach. The slow starts are a pain in the ass but he generally fields a decent offense and let’s his defensive coordinator handle the defense.

He got career years out of Luck and Brissett and resurgent years out of Wentz and Rivers. He’s generally good with quarterbacks, at least until this year and this year has been a clusterfuck all the way around. In my opinion mainly because of how bad the offensive line is.

I’d like to see the Colts draft a quarterback high and let Reich work with him for more than one season. Hell, the man won a super bowl with Nick Foles.

[Discflinger]

Boys, I just rolled my bicycle off the Navajo Nation, returning to internet, and I find the whole thing hilarious after watching that game on rerun. Go Jim! We all know Reich is gone, but who replaces him? I think Ballard stays just because of some of the gems he has been able to discover.

[ChoppedWood]

Boys, I just rolled my bicycle off the Navajo Nation, returning to internet, and I find the whole thing hilarious after watching that game on rerun. Go Jim! We all know Reich is gone, but who replaces him? I think Ballard stays just because of some of the gems he has been able to discover.

Go get Eric Bieniemy, get a dude that runs an offense that is present day NFL standards.

[albany ed]

Go get Eric Bieniemy, get a dude that runs an offense that is present day NFL standards.

Interesting, but I believe Reid is the architect and play caller for the Chiefs offense.

[omahacolt]

People always just assume that the next guy will be better and that’s hardly ever the case. Reich is way better than Pagano but before that you have to go all the way back to Dungy replacing Mora to find the a Colts coach who was better than the one he replaced.

Odds are that if they fire Reich, the guy that replaces him will be worse, or at least no better.

Personally, I don’t think Reich is a terrible coach. The slow starts are a pain in the ass but he generally fields a decent offense and let’s his defensive coordinator handle the defense.

He got career years out of Luck and Brissett and resurgent years out of Wentz and Rivers. He’s generally good with quarterbacks, at least until this year and this year has been a clusterfuck all the way around. In my opinion mainly because of how bad the offensive line is.

I’d like to see the Colts draft a quarterback high and let Reich work with him for more than one season. Hell, the man won a super bowl with Nick Foles.

i think we likely would have a hard time finding a better coach.

if he is kept, we need to get some players that are real leaders. not the me first guys like Leonard. we need a manning type that will get the guys in the mindset to perform.

[omahacolt]

Go get Eric Bieniemy, get a dude that runs an offense that is present day NFL standards.

there is a reason he isn't a hc

[Dam8610]

Interesting, but I believe Reid is the architect and play caller for the Chiefs offense.

Hiring an Andy Reid OC is like hiring a Belicheat DC. See Matt Nagy.

[rm1369]

there is a reason he isn't a hc

Not to mention I’m positive people would be happy with Reich’s offense if he had Mahomes under center.

[ChaosTheory]

Chiefs fans dog Bieniemy all the time.

[CletusPyle]

If the Colts were willing to dump Wentz and bench Ryan after 7 games, do you really think they won't fire Reich if he fails to make the playoffs?

[BCN#1]

Seeing a lot of <Reich and Ballard gotta go but if the O Line sux so much, who is holding the O line coach Chris Strausser accountable? His previous years with us have been good but this year everyone shits the bed with players, Reich and Ballard being dinged but not seeing Strausser´s name being called out. Wazzup wit dat?

[rcubed]

Hiring an Andy Reid OC is like hiring a Belicheat DC. See Matt Nagy.
yep. not thanks.

[Chaka]

This is awful.

It might end up being that way, but as of now I can't see the harm. Ryan is decent when the line gives him time, but unfortunately, the line does not give him time. Or they are extremely inconsistent at it.

Everyone wants Ballard's head, but IMO, this is either coaching or the players themselves. Yeah, I get it, LT sucks, but it doesn't suck to the point that everyone just completely forgot how to play football. Even Nelson looks quite bad, and just on one on one plays.

It's terrible on several levels. First, and there appears to be differing accounts of this in the media, I'm troubled if Irsay is going to step in and force his GM and head coach to make changes. I like him much better as a hands-off owner. But clearly this was not Frank's (at least) idea because he stated the day before that Ryan was the Colts' QB. I think stepping in and forcing changes, to the extent that actually happened, undermines the guys he hired and that doesn't bode well.

Second, it undermines the experienced guys who came here as free agents. Not only Ryan but also guys like Gilmore, who I'm sure were assuming there wouldn't be an abrupt non-injury related change at the game's most important position only seven games into the season. As to Ryan, I know its been rough, but to give this guy only seven games seems a bit ridiculous. He's been an effective QB for 15 years and he's joining a brand new team and offense, new personnel, and has been running for his life. I think 15 years of quality QB play is enough to earn more than seven weeks. How does this look to other free agents who might consider coming here in the future?

Third, unless they truly believe that Elhinger is truly special, this suggests the Colts will be in development mode for the near future. The colts are 3-3-1 and the season is far from lost. It is not time to give up on the season.
Also, the Colts have built a quality, mostly home grown defense, and have (or at least had) lots of offensive pieces in place. If they have to wait for several years before contending, the Colts will lose all of these guys as they'll become expensive, overpaid free agents.

[Chromeburn]

Go get Eric Bieniemy, get a dude that runs an offense that is present day NFL standards.

I don't think anyone wants to deal with the headache his police record will create out of the gate.

[Colts And Orioles]

If the Colts were willing to dump Wentz and bench Ryan after 7 games, do you really think they won't fire Reich if he fails to make the playoffs ???





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That's not necessarily the same correlation.

Reich has been the Colts' head coach since 2018, and is in his 5th season with the team.

On the other hand, the starting quarterbacks in Reich's tenure have been Andrew Luck (2018). Jacoby Brissett (2019), Philip Rivers (2020), Carson Wentz (2021), Matt Ryan (2022), and now Sam Ehlinger (2022.)


I'm not necessarily saying that the Colts won't fire Reich at the end of this season, because they might ...... but the fact that they have gone threw a slew of starting quarterbacks in the last 5 seasons is not necessarily comparable to whether or not they will give the heave-ho to a head coach who has been here throughout those 5 seasons.

o

[Hoopsdoc]

It's terrible on several levels. First, and there appears to be differing accounts of this in the media, I'm troubled if Irsay is going to step in and force his GM and head coach to make changes. I like him much better as a hands-off owner. But clearly this was not Frank's (at least) idea because he stated the day before that Ryan was the Colts' QB. I think stepping in and forcing changes, to the extent that actually happened, undermines the guys he hired and that doesn't bode well.

Second, it undermines the experienced guys who came here as free agents. Not only Ryan but also guys like Gilmore, who I'm sure were assuming there wouldn't be an abrupt non-injury related change at the game's most important position only seven games into the season. As to Ryan, I know its been rough, but to give this guy only seven games seems a bit ridiculous. He's been an effective QB for 15 years and he's joining a brand new team and offense, new personnel, and has been running for his life. I think 15 years of quality QB play is enough to earn more than seven weeks. How does this look to other free agents who might consider coming here in the future?

Third, unless they truly believe that Elhinger is truly special, this suggests the Colts will be in development mode for the near future. The colts are 3-3-1 and the season is far from lost. It is not time to give up on the season.
Also, the Colts have built a quality, mostly home grown defense, and have (or at least had) lots of offensive pieces in place. If they have to wait for several years before contending, the Colts will lose all of these guys as they'll become expensive, overpaid free agents.

These are valid points but the thing to keep in mind is, as Bowen points out, Jim GENUINELY believes that this team will be BETTER with Ehlinger at quarterback. He thinks forcing this change will be the catalyst that sends this team to the playoffs.

He may be the only one who thinks that and he may actually be crazy, but his opinion is the only one that matters.

[CletusPyle]

o


That's not necessarily the same correlation.

Reich has been the Colts' head coach since 2018, and is in his 5th season with the team.

On the other hand, the starting quarterbacks in Reich's tenure have been Andrew Luck (2018). Jacoby Brissett (2019), Philip Rivers (2020), Carson Wentz (2021), Matt Ryan (2022), and now Sam Ehlinger (2022.)


I'm not necessarily saying that the Colts won't fire Reich at the end of this season, because they might ...... but the fact that they have gone threw a slew of starting quarterbacks in the last 5 seasons is not necessarily comparable to whether or not they will give the heave-ho to a head coach who has been here throughout those 5 seasons.

o

You really can't count Luck, Jacoby, or Rivers....Luck quit, Jacoby was never going to be the long term answer here, and Rivers was what we thought he was and his retiring was no surprise. That leaves Wentz, a guy we paid a big price for and even though we could have got stuck big time, Irsay still pulled the trigger on him after one season. We are 7 games in and it appears he is insisting we pull Ryan....just my opinion, but if I am Reich I am not joining a spring bowling league till we make the playoffs!:D

[Colts And Orioles]

You really can't count Luck, Jacoby, or Rivers ...... Luck quit, Jacoby was never going to be the long term answer here, and Rivers was what we thought he was and his retiring was no surprise. That leaves Wentz, a guy we paid a big price for and even though we could have got stuck big time, Irsay still pulled the trigger on him after one season. We are 7 games in and it appears he is insisting we pull Ryan....just my opinion, but if I am Reich I am not joining a spring bowling league till we make the playoffs !!! ) :D




o


Irsay might fire Reich even if the Colts do make the playoffs.

I don't think that the jettisoning of Wentz in the off-season and/or Ryan during this current season will necessarily have much bearing on his decision.

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[nate505]

Looks like Austin TX figured out that Ehlinger is starting this week

https://506sports.com/2022/08-FOX-L.png

[Chaka]

These are valid points but the thing to keep in mind is, as Bowen points out, Jim GENUINELY believes that this team will be BETTER with Ehlinger at quarterback. He thinks forcing this change will be the catalyst that sends this team to the playoffs.

He may be the only one who thinks that and he may actually be crazy, but his opinion is the only one that matters.

No question the guy has the right as the owner to demand whatever he wants. Whether its a good idea or not is a different question. I feel like in recent years, Irsay has been gradually been conditioning himself to become more and more involved in personnel decisions. He gets largely positive press when he allegedly demanded that Carson Wentz be run out of town, which only encourages him further. He then posts comments like his infamous "all chips in" statement which sounds OK at the time, and again fuels his personal perception that he's a badass owner laying down the law.

But this also makes him more personally accountable when things don't go right...which then makes him inject himself further into personnel decisions. Less publicly-involved owners can let things play out and then make rational decisions from their desk without the unnecessary public pressure of having these kind of comments thrown back to them constantly. It's entirely self-created, and I think destructive unless you think that Irsay knows better than Ballard/Reich how to address the situation. I don't.

Perhaps I'm overstating all of this, I don't know. It just feels like a terrible decision, and unless Ehlinger lights it up it will make the Colts look like they are just as clueless as the rest of us.

[nate505]

No question the guy has the right as the owner to demand whatever he wants. Whether its a good idea or not is a different question. I feel like in recent years, Irsay has been gradually been conditioning himself to become more and more involved in personnel decisions. He gets largely positive press when he allegedly demanded that Carson Wentz be run out of town, which only encourages him further. He then posts comments like his infamous "all chips in" statement which sounds OK at the time, and again fuels his personal perception that he's a badass owner laying down the law.

But this also makes him more personally accountable when things don't go right...which then makes him inject himself further into personnel decisions. Less publicly-involved owners can let things play out and then make rational decisions from their desk without the unnecessary public pressure of having these kind of comments thrown back to them constantly. It's entirely self-created, and I think destructive unless you think that Irsay knows better than Ballard/Reich how to address the situation. I don't.

Perhaps I'm overstating all of this, I don't know. It just feels like a terrible decision, and unless Ehlinger lights it up it will make the Colts look like they are just as clueless as the rest of us.
I would feel like it's a terrible decision if I thought it could get much worse. I'm sure it can get worse, but man, this offense in all but one, maybe two games if we're being generous, has just flat out sucked. Like badly, and most of it is due to horrible pass protection and Ryan having the mobility of a sloth on quaaludes. At the very least I hope Ehlinger can figure out how to run for a first down or two.

[ChaosTheory]

I would feel like it's a terrible decision if I thought it could get much worse. I'm sure it can get worse, but man, this offense in all but one, maybe two games if we're being generous, has just flat out sucked. Like badly, and most of it is due to horrible pass protection and Ryan having the mobility of a sloth on quaaludes. At the very least I hope Ehlinger can figure out how to run for a first down or two.

Some fans are ready to pack it in but I'm not there yet. Could get there soon, but not yet. Like you said, this disaster on offense and somehow we're still 3-3-1 with 10 games left. All he has to do is not be a disaster. Anything extra would be a bonus. But we haven't seen anything from him, so all we can do is speculate.

His arm can't be weaker than Ryan's. His mobility is a plus IF he has poise (obviously the O-line has to do its part). Using mobility wisely like 2018 Andrew Luck is one thing. Becoming hero Carson Wentz after every first read would be ugly.

I'm really hoping his mobility will also help in the run game. Not by scrambling, but possibly by doing some wider runs + play-action/boot + misdirection. We were more creative in run concepts last year.

[Dam8610]

Some fans are ready to pack it in but I'm not there yet. Could get there soon, but not yet. Like you said, this disaster on offense and somehow we're still 3-3-1 with 10 games left. All he has to do is not be a disaster. Anything extra would be a bonus. But we haven't seen anything from him, so all we can do is speculate.

His arm can't be weaker than Ryan's. His mobility is a plus IF he has poise (obviously the O-line has to do its part). Using mobility wisely like 2018 Andrew Luck is one thing. Becoming hero Carson Wentz after every first read would be ugly.

I'm really hoping his mobility will also help in the run game. Not by scrambling, but possibly by doing some wider runs + play-action/boot + misdirection. We were more creative in run concepts last year.

You underestimate the weakness of Sam Ehlinger's arm. I'm just hoping this disaster of a decision nets the Colts a high enough pick that they can draft a franchise QB and we can all look back on this and laugh.

[YDFL Commish]

You underestimate the weakness of Sam Ehlinger's arm. I'm just hoping this disaster of a decision nets the Colts a high enough pick that they can draft a franchise QB and we can all look back on this and laugh.

Ehlinger is not particularly weak this season. He has improved in that area and I would definitely put him above Rivers, Brees and Ryan.

The important thing is that Ehlinger can make off schedule throws, not have to have his feet set and not have to put his whole body into certain throws.

Also, this is not a disaster of a decision. The best we were going to finish was 9-7-1 w/Ryan anyway.

Who the fuck wants that, who going to get excited about that? Not me. If we 9-7-1 with Ehlinger, then maybe there's something to build on. If we go 6-9-1 (which I expect we will), then Ballard has to find a way to parlay that into the future QB.

[CletusPyle]

o


Irsay might fire Reich even if the Colts do make the playoffs.

I don't think that the jettisoning of Wentz in the off-season and/or Ryan during this current season will necessarily have much bearing on his decision.

o

You may be right about Reich being fired, playoffs or not? I don't think his decisions on Wentz or Ryan have any impact on his decision to keep or fire Reich, but I think it shows that his patience is wearing thin, he wants to win now and he will not hesitate to make any move that he feels will hasten that outcome.

[ChaosTheory]

You underestimate the weakness of Sam Ehlinger's arm. I'm just hoping this disaster of a decision nets the Colts a high enough pick that they can draft a franchise QB and we can all look back on this and laugh.

Maybe I am. But I'm only comparing him to 2022 Matt Ryan. Looking at some preseason throws (forget coverage, decisions, etc.), his motion looks a little different than last year and I don't see any throws that I feel would've had more zip if Ryan threw them.

If anything, a throw like vs. DET where he's drifting left, doesn't set, and throws it 51yds in the air is one that Ryan can't make anymore.

I'm really not trying to delude myself over this kid. I'm just trying to look for some elements they claim to see during practice. They promoted him 2-3 weeks ago. Could just all be bullshit and Ehlinger won't be worth a fuck.

[Oldcolt]

We are going nowhere with Ryan, probably nowhere with Ehrlinger also but why not give it a try. Maybe he surprises everyone but at least you have a better idea of what you have going into next year. It at least makes me want to watch the games again, they have reached the point where they were becoming unwatchable.

[omahacolt]

Ehlinger is not particularly weak this season. He has improved in that area and I would definitely put him above Rivers, Brees and Ryan.

The important thing is that Ehlinger can make off schedule throws, not have to have his feet set and not have to put his whole body into certain throws.

Also, this is not a disaster of a decision. The best we were going to finish was 9-7-1 w/Ryan anyway.

Who the fuck wants that, who going to get excited about that? Not me. If we 9-7-1 with Ehlinger, then maybe there's something to build on. If we go 6-9-1 (which I expect we will), then Ballard has to find a way to parlay that into the future QB.

you have to understand, in Dam's mind, players are incapable of improving. that and 40 times are all that matter.

[albany ed]

I was going to take the week off and not go to a sports bar to watch this game. Now that Ehlinger is starting, I have a renewed interest in seeing this game. If there are others like me, this is a great move PR wise. Colts were going no where fast with Ryan at the helm. That may not change now, but I'm once again hopeful.

[Colts And Orioles]

I was going to take the week off and not go to a sports bar to watch this game. Now that Ehlinger is starting, I have a renewed interest in seeing this game. If there are others like me, this is a great move PR wise. Colts were going no where fast with Ryan at the helm. That may not change now, but I'm once again hopeful.





o


Going to a sports bar and watching the Colts game sounds like a good PR move. I might just do that down here in Putnam County, even though I don't drink.

o

[Hoopsdoc]

I was going to take the week off and not go to a sports bar to watch this game. Now that Ehlinger is starting, I have a renewed interest in seeing this game. If there are others like me, this is a great move PR wise. Colts were going no where fast with Ryan at the helm. That may not change now, but I'm once again hopeful.

No offense Ed, but I don’t understand how people do that. I have to be on my own couch in my own living room to watch a game. I get way to wound up to watch it in public. I’d get kicked out by the first timeout.

[ChaosTheory]

you have to understand, in Dam's mind, players are incapable of improving. that and 40 times are all that matter.

Not to compare him to a freak like Josh Allen... but he's the most notable example of a guy working with these new age throwing gurus. In his case it was accuracy, not strength, but that was still a quality that basically everybody was saying you couldn't fix.

But those coaches, like the guy Ehlinger worked with, use similar mechanics training to get guys to improve velocity as well. Doesn't mean shit until we see him. But worth considering if you want a tall glass of hope to sip on.

[Hoopsdoc]

you have to understand, in Dam's mind, players are incapable of improving. that and 40 times are all that matter.

And Stanley Havili is a hall of famer.

[ChaosTheory]

No offense Ed, but I don’t understand how people do that. I have to be on my own couch in my own living room to watch a game. I get way to wound up to watch it in public. I’d get kicked out by the first timeout.

Ha, I can watch sports in general at the bar and have a good time. But not my team.

[apballin]

Ha, I can watch sports in general at the bar and have a good time. But not my team.

Yep, don’t call or text me during a fuckin game. While the Colts are on I don’t watch other games hell sometimes the ticker at the bottom pisses me off

Going to the home games and screaming for the defense has become somewhat therapeutic

[rcubed]

Ha, I can watch sports in general at the bar and have a good time. But not my team.


I tell me wife every year we can have a superbowl part unless the colts are in it. Then i dint want to be distracted by people.

[Racehorse]

o


Going to a sports bar and watching the Colts game sounds like a good PR move. I might just do that down here in Putnam County, even though I don't drink.

o

Putnam County? Indiana or Tennessee?

[JAFF]

o


Going to a sports bar and watching the Colts game sounds like a good PR move. I might just do that down here in Putnam County, even though I don't drink.

o

Ask for an Arnold Palmer, lemon aid and ice tea

[Colts And Orioles]

Putnam County ??? Indiana, or Tennessee ???





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[JAFF]

o



https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/95/Map_of_New_York_highlighting_Putnam_County.svg/300px-Map_of_New_York_highlighting_Putnam_County.svg.png

o

A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away....

[albany ed]

No offense Ed, but I don’t understand how people do that. I have to be on my own couch in my own living room to watch a game. I get way to wound up to watch it in public. I’d get kicked out by the first timeout.

Actually for me, sitting in my own living room and watching the game gets a little boring. I enjoy the interaction with other Colts fans and often with fans from the other team. Especially if the Colts win. I remember watching the Colts great comeback win against KC when they were losing badly. A few KC fans were yukking it up and saying "stick a fork in them" then Luck opened up a can of whup ass and shut them up. If I was home alone watching that game it wouldn't have been near as much fun.

[TheMugwump]

You underestimate the weakness of Sam Ehlinger's arm. I'm just hoping this disaster of a decision nets the Colts a high enough pick that they can draft a franchise QB and we can all look back on this and laugh.

Exactly.

Ryan's arm = slightly weaker than NFL average QB
Ehlinger's arm = Phillip River's 2020

[Dam8610]

Ehlinger is not particularly weak this season. He has improved in that area and I would definitely put him above Rivers, Brees and Ryan.

The important thing is that Ehlinger can make off schedule throws, not have to have his feet set and not have to put his whole body into certain throws.

Also, this is not a disaster of a decision. The best we were going to finish was 9-7-1 w/Ryan anyway.

Who the fuck wants that, who going to get excited about that? Not me. If we 9-7-1 with Ehlinger, then maybe there's something to build on. If we go 6-9-1 (which I expect we will), then Ballard has to find a way to parlay that into the future QB.

I will be stunned if Ehlinger is anything but disappointing. Judging by your post, your opinion isn't far off from that.

you have to understand, in Dam's mind, players are incapable of improving. that and 40 times are all that matter.

No, players can improve. For Ehlinger to improve his collegiate arm strength to NFL arm strength, it would take about double the work Drew Brees needed. It's possible for him to have achieved that in 2 years, just not likely.