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[IndyNorm]

Despite the upset today we all know our OL was once again complete garbage today. As long as he's back from injury Raimann should start at left tackle next week, Pryor should be at RG, and Dennis Kelly should start at RT b/c Smith has been absolute shit this season as well. If Raimann's not back then Kelly at LT and Pryor at RG. Anyone else think otherwise?

[ChoppedWood]

I know there has been this hesitancy to do it but I think they really need to look at moving Nelson out to LT and then consider whether it's Prior or Rainman in the G spot, maybe it is both of them in. Maybe it is Q at LT, Prior at LG, Kelly, Kelly, and Rainman?

It is no longer acceptable to have Prior, Pinter, and Smith starting on this line. While Pinter is straight garbage, he is not near the risk that Prior and Smith present from the edge pressure.

Not sure, just spit balling because what we have now is trash.

And some aren't all that high on Nelson as they were but on that QB sneak- what where his shoulder hits the defender and how far back he goes- that is the kind of fucking leverage we need out of these dudes.

[omahacolt]

Despite the upset today we all know our OL was once again complete garbage today. As long as he's back from injury Raimann should start at left tackle next week, Pryor should be at RG, and Dennis Kelly should start at RT b/c Smith has been absolute shit this season as well. If Raimann's not back then Kelly at LT and Pryor at RG. Anyone else think otherwise?

well i think smith is obviously one of the best 5. if he isnt rt then he has to be rg

[IndyNorm]

well i think smith is obviously one of the best 5. if he isnt rt then he has to be rg

Maybe. I think sitting his ass on the bench for a game might send a message to get his ass in gear.

[IndyNorm]

I know there has been this hesitancy to do it but I think they really need to look at moving Nelson out to LT and then consider whether it's Prior or Rainman in the G spot, maybe it is both of them in. Maybe it is Q at LT, Prior at LG, Kelly, Kelly, and Rainman?

It is no longer acceptable to have Prior, Pinter, and Smith starting on this line. While Pinter is straight garbage, he is not near the risk that Prior and Smith present from the edge pressure.

Not sure, just spit balling because what we have now is trash.

And some aren't all that high on Nelson as they were but on that QB sneak- what where his shoulder hits the defender and how far back he goes- that is the kind of fucking leverage we need out of these dudes.

Something has to be done. We're on pace to allow 68 sacks for the season which would be a wopping 10 more than the most allowed in '21 (by the Bears).

[ChaosTheory]

I haven't rewatched the game yet, but when I do I'll pay attention to Smith from what you guys are saying.

Romo actually pointed something out I hoped fans heard... there's a lot of miscommunication on offense, particularly in the pass-pro. Between Ryan, the OL, and RB, we were (and have been) letting guys run straight through us because "I thought you had him." Hopefully that kind of communication stuff can improve, because KC blitzed the fucking shit out of us and we could not pick it up all day.

But Danny Pinter is beyond communication. This kid gets physically dominated throughout the course of the game. Technique, physical strength, whatever it is... he gets worked, and some of these plays are utterly embarrassing. This on top of the mental fuck ups the OL is having is brutal.

I think a lot of us have acknowledged that when Raimann gets healthy, he needs baptism by fire at LT. Pryor isn't athletic enough for LT, but he's a huge strong dude that is naturally a guard, so move him to RG.

[nate505]

If the OL could get fixed and if Ryan can settle down a bit like he did on the last drive, I have a lot of hope for this team again.

Odd, since the OL is supposed to be a strength. Still, at this point I'm believing my lying eyes over that.

[Oldcolt]

I don't think moving around these guys is the going to help much. These guys themselves are going to have to improve. Maybe Raiman is the answer at left tackle but if the rest of these bozos don't fix whatever ails them and start playing as a unit it won't matter at all. Ryan, Smith and Nelson have all done it before at a high level and have done it recently. Physically they should still be able to. Money makes some men lose their drive, to early to say for sure but it sure does look like these guys aren't hungry in the least. Or maybe the coaching sucks and they are not prepared. Sure looked like that at times.

[daedge]

well i think smith is obviously one of the best 5. if he isnt rt then he has to be rg

Certainly hasn't been playing like it.

[Racehorse]

It is very clear that Pinter is a bad option at RG. If Reich doesn't see this, we are in serious trouble.

[Colts And Orioles]

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NFL Week 3 Takeaways: Lessons, Big Questions for Every Game

(Stephen Holder, NFL Nation)


What to know: ) The Colts' offensive struggles continued against Kansas City, but Indianapolis overcame a recurring early-season theme to notch their best moment of the season for coach Frank Reich and quarterback Matt Ryan. After buckling under the Chiefs' blitzes all day, the Colts managed to mount a game-winning drive, upset the Chiefs and move to 1-1-1.

Can the Colts create any offensive consistency despite their blocking issues ??? ) The Colts have endured more offensive line struggles this season than at any other point in Reich's tenure with the team. As a result, the immobile Ryan (five sacks) is having a difficult time dealing with the consistent pressure, evidenced by his seven fumbles -- the most through three games since Mike Vick had seven in 2011. To create any consistency, the Colts are going to have to truly stabilize things up front.


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34663383/nfl-week-3-takeaways-learned-big-questions-every-game-future-team-outlooks

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[ukcolt]

Pinter has been a major disappointment, seemed to fill in nicely for Kelly at C last year, but RG and C are two different skill sets.

I suspect that some of the struggles for Braden Smith are due to the poor play of Pinter, but not all of them. I think we under estimate just how good Jack Doyle was at blocking and this has also had a major impact, which seems to be being overlooked. He had been around for years, and just knew his job.

Pryor, just seems too slow to play on the outside, but might be good at guard, agree that assuming the German is healthy he should be given first dibs at LT. The new Kelly, i know nothing about him, to be able to say he should or shouldn't be playing in any position.

A line of Raimann, Nelson, Kelly, Pryor, Smith, might be a more solid foundation for our offense. But i also think that we have hung them out to dry with some of the atrocious play calling at times. We need to be using Campbell on quick slants, where the ball is out of there by the time Ryan has hit his back foot. This is what Brady has made a living off doing. 5-8 yard gains in the middle of the field are hard to defend. Just ask our defensive players and coaches when playing the first two weeks!! You can keep your TE's to block and the RB if so required.

Deep shots need to be taken when we know we are going to then keep the back and a TE in to block, expecting just the OL to be able to protect for 5-6 seconds is unrealistic at any point in time. To me these are too simple a concept, and if not adhered to, you are almost asking for miracles to happen to make a 30 yard completion without getting your QB killed.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

It is very clear that Pinter is a bad option at RG. If Reich doesn't see this, we are in serious trouble.


I am sure the coaching staff knows that Pinter is not working out this year. Several of the beat reporters have written that he has been struggling since the beginning of training camp.

I am guessing the coaches just don't like the alternatives either. I think they would like to permanently insert Raimann at LT and move Pryor over to RG. But they didn't think Raimann was quite ready at the beginning of the season and were trying to "protect" the rookie and ease him into the job.

They could plug in Fries in Pinter's place but I don't think he would provide much of a upgrade at this point either.

[ChaosTheory]

I am guessing the coaches just don't like the alternatives either. I think they would like to permanently insert Raimann at LT and move Pryor over to RG. But they didn't think Raimann was quite ready at the beginning of the season and were trying to "protect" the rookie and ease him into the job.

I think this is correct. Protect both him and Matt Ryan seems like the rationale. However, Ryan is getting mauled anyway. So Raimann might as well take his lumps and get experience.

And the sooner the better. We all know the OL unit has to learn to work together. So don't wait until mid-season.

[omahacolt]

Certainly hasn't been playing like it.

it isn't hard to be one of the best 5

[Dam8610]

It is very clear that Pinter is a bad option at RG. If Reich doesn't see this, we are in serious trouble.

Frank Clark, a 250 lb. DE, bull rushed Pinter on one sack so badly he was able to collapse Pinter and the pocket in under 2 seconds. That play alone should lose Pinter his job.

[JAFF]

It is very clear that Pinter is a bad option at RG. If Reich doesn't see this, we are in serious trouble.

Pinter isnt the only one struggling. Smith hasnt been very good and Rainmann was out, there werent many options on Sunday. I dont think that Ryan Kelly has been very good either.

I was looking at the depth chart, I’m not sure the is much help there. I think the team is going to miss Jack Doyle more than the expected

[Racehorse]

Pinter isnt the only one struggling. Smith hasnt been very good and Rainmann was out, there werent many options on Sunday. I dont think that Ryan Kelly has been very good either.

I was looking at the depth chart, I’m not sure the is much help there. I think the team is going to miss Jack Doyle more than the expected

Pinter makes Smith have to think too much. Get a real guard in there, and Smith will be like before.

[ChoppedWood]

Pinter makes Smith have to think too much. Get a real guard in there, and Smith will be like before.

Holder was talking about it on JMV, said the whole line is screwing up the shifts. Said there is some of this (feeling like they have to compensate for him) but the majority of it is tied to them not calling out the assignments right and thus ending up with double and he said there are even triple teams happening. Said a much bigger deal is the lack of communicating. Though he did say Pinter is much more of a Center than a Guard and that is showing up play after play.

[JAFF]

Pinter makes Smith have to think too much. Get a real guard in there, and Smith will be like before.

That is not how it works. You do your job. You cant do your job and someone elses.

If you dont have an all 22 view you cant see the splits and how the O line attacks the D. Oh, and not knowing the line calls being given, you still dont have a true picture of what the line is suppose to do.

[Racehorse]

Holder was talking about it on JMV, said the whole line is screwing up the shifts. Said there is some of this (feeling like they have to compensate for him) but the majority of it is tied to them not calling out the assignments right and thus ending up with double and he said there are even triple teams happening. Said a much bigger deal is the lack of communicating. Though he did say Pinter is much more of a Center than a Guard and that is showing up play after play.

It is a factor. Always a factor when there is a weak link. Not the entire problem, but a factor.

[Racehorse]

That is not how it works. You do your job. You cant do your job and someone elses.

If you dont have an all 22 view you cant see the splits and how the O line attacks the D. Oh, and not knowing the line calls being given, you still dont have a true picture of what the line is suppose to do.

The post above yours seems to disagree.

[Hoopsdoc]

Frank Clark, a 250 lb. DE, bull rushed Pinter on one sack so badly he was able to collapse Pinter and the pocket in under 2 seconds. That play alone should lose Pinter his job.

Pinter spent most of yesterday flat on his back admiring the Chiefs cleats as they ran over him.

[Oldcolt]

As long as this line plays like five unrelated men we are fucked. I don’t think the biggest issue is physical at all. They aren’t getting the correct offensive line calls made. I saw a blitzed waltz thru a gap between Nelson and Kelly. Should never happen. Evaluating individual lineman is difficult when they don’t play as team.

[JAFF]

The post above yours seems to disagree.

No. You do your job. You cant expect the guy next to you, to do his job and your job. Thats why they have line calls so everybody works together.

This is where having a TE who could block is helpful. This is where the Colts will miss Jack Doyle. He could play pass pro as a TE or FB.

The O line has not played well since Kelly missed time last year. I have doubts that Playing a rookie who has limited time learning the LT position will be the answer this year. Its asking a lot.

[YDFL Commish]

As long as this line plays like five unrelated men we are fucked. I don’t think the biggest issue is physical at all. They aren’t getting the correct offensive line calls made. I saw a blitzed waltz thru a gap between Nelson and Kelly. Should never happen. Evaluating individual lineman is difficult when they don’t play as team.

That's because Kelly spent so much time helping Pinter. I would rather have Pinter get beat in 2 sec. than have a free runner at our QB in 1 sec.

Either Pinter can play or he can't, but damn don't hold his hand like you're walking your kindiegartener to the bus!

[ChaosTheory]

That's because Kelly spent so much time helping Pinter. I would rather have Pinter get beat in 2 sec. than have a free runner at our QB in 1 sec

I don't think the free-runner type stuff is about Kelly/Smith helping Pinter. That stuff is communication mainly between Kelly, Ryan, and Jonathan Taylor.

A LB running straight through the A Gap while Kelly steps down has to mean that Kelly thought Taylor had him. And then either Kelly was wrong, Taylor was wrong, or it could've even been that Ryan communicated something different to Taylor... Whatever, we can't know. But wires got crossed.

[JAFF]

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2022/09/26/colts-highly-paid-offensive-line-has-been-teams-weak-link/69520809007/

INDIANAPOLIS — The Colts have the NFL’s highest-paid offensive line, a unit that is supposed to be the foundation of everything that happens on offense.

The draft horses who clear room for Jonathan Taylor to do what he does best. The wall that was supposed to give Matt Ryan the security in the pocket that he didn’t have in Atlanta, giving a 37-year-old

But the NFL’s highest-paid offensive line has been the team’s weak link instead.

Ryan has been sacked 12 times, the third-worst mark in the NFL. Only Washington’s Carson Wentz and Cincinnati’s Joe Burrow have been sacked more often so far.

Taylor is somehow averaging 4.7 yards per carry, but he’s had precious little room to run against defenses stacked up to stop him, and the Colts have often struggled to get any kind of push in critical short-yardage situations, as Sunday’s second failed fourth-and-1 showed.


Colts head coach Frank Reich largely chalked up the lack of explosiveness in the run game to the way teams are playing Indianapolis early.

“Every defense comes in, and they get to play J.T.,” Reich said. “All eyes are on Jonathan Taylor. It’s going to bring a different level of focus, it’s going to make it a little bit harder. … That’s the challenge we’ve got to meet.”

The heat on Ryan is a bigger problem.

Protecting the passer has never been a crippling issue under Reich.

Not like this.

The Colts have finished in the top 10 in the NFL in sacks allowed in all four seasons Reich has been in charge of the offense.


When Reich has been working with quarterbacks who know how to get the ball out of their hands quickly, Indianapolis has been downright elite. The Colts finished first in the NFL in sacks allowed with Andrew Luck in 2018 and came in second with Philip Rivers in 2019.

Both Luck (2.63 seconds) and Rivers (2.52 seconds) got the ball out of their hands before the rush could get home.


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The two times the Colts had quarterbacks who held the ball a little longer — Jacoby Brissett got the ball out in 2.93 seconds in 2019, and Carson Wentz finished at 2.83 seconds in 2021 — Indianapolis still finished ninth in the NFL in sacks allowed.

That track record is part of the reason Ryan was excited to come to the Colts in the offseason.


But he’s been getting hit like no Indianapolis starter has ever been hit under Reich before. Prior to this season, the Colts had given up five sacks in a single game just three times under Reich, never in the same season, and one of those games was a game Rivers had to play against Pittsburgh without either of his starting tackles.

Ryan has been sacked five times and hit more than 10 times in back-to-back games.

What makes it worse is that it happened against Kansas City on a day that Ryan was getting the ball out of his hand faster than ever before. The week before, against Jacksonville, Ryan’s time to throw was an ugly 3.08 seconds, the second-longest time in the league, likely because the absence of Michael Pittman Jr. and Alec Pierce made it hard for Ryan to find open receivers right away.

With Pittman Jr. and Pierce back against the Chiefs, the Colts used more quick game, and Ryan’s average time from snap to throw was 2.52 seconds, the sixth-fastest time in the league.

He still got hammered.

“There’s a couple of uncharacteristic things happening here or there,” Reich said. “It’s not any one person or any one thing. It’s a combination of a couple of different things. We’ll get them cleaned up and get them right.”


The Colts have two new starters on the offensive line, left tackle Matt Pryor and right guard Danny Pinter, and although Pryor has had intermittent troubles, particularly against speed, Pinter has struggled in every game so far.

Pinter played well in relief of Ryan Kelly at center the past two seasons, but that success hasn’t translated to right guard. With Pinter playing poorly next to him, right tackle Braden Smith has also struggled more than ever. Kelly has also struggled,

Offensive line coach Chris Strausser tinkered with an alternate offensive line in training camp a couple of times — rookie Bernhard Raimann at left tackle, Quenton Nelson at left guard, Kelly at center, Smith at right guard and Pryor at right tackle — but Reich stepped around a question about potential personnel changes on Monday.

Raimann was held out of Sunday’s game with a left ankle injury, complicating the picture.

“That has not been discussed,” Reich said. “We’re always rotating guys through at practice, cross-training guys, but there’s been no discussion on that to this point.”

Reich is not the type of coach to announce personnel changes before they happen or to call out players individually.

What he did say was that one area of pass protection bothered him more than any other when he watched tape of Sunday’s win over Kansas City.

“When I watched the tape of yesterday, the one-on-one matchups, I felt like our protection was pretty good,” Reich said. “The fundamentals, the technique, the guys blocking one-on-one, it wasn’t flawless, but there was a lot of good stuff.”


What troubled Reich more was the Colts’ inability to handle the blitzes and pressures the Chiefs dialed up to get to Ryan.

“I felt like there were more free rushers yesterday than I felt like I’ve seen in a long time against us,” Reich said. “We’ve got to get that cleaned up. I know what the answer is; we just have to get it done. We have to coach better, we have to communicate better, and we have to play better. It’s always going to be that combination of things. … When we say 'communication errors,' sometimes it covers a variety of things. You guys are asking the exact right questions. It’s uncharacteristic of what we do, and we’ve got to get it corrected.”

Reich has always placed an enormous amount of importance on handling blitzes and other pressures, i.e. stunts and twists.

The Colts have an entire meeting dedicated to the subject each week, going over the team’s standard operating procedure, its set of rules and guidelines for setting the team’s protections, and tailor it to each team’s pressure packages.

Ryan and Kelly bear the chief responsibility on the field for setting the protections.

“This is something that we take a lot of pride in,” Reich said. “That’s why it’s a little discouraging. We have to collectively pull that together and find ways to be more consistent there.”

An experienced quarterback often helps the Colts to recognize blitzes.

When teams brought pressure against Indianapolis last season, Wentz sometimes had trouble identifying them, a problem the Colts expected Ryan to help fix this season, given his knowledge of the game.


From what Reich said on Monday, Ryan has handled his responsibility well.

“A guy like Matt who’s got a lot of experience, it’s not a problem for him, seeing it or understanding it, ” Reich said. “Matt’s been pretty good on it. Maybe in the three games he’s had one or two that he’d like to have back, but he’s been pretty good with it.”

That places the blame squarely up front — and possibly with the running backs — and although Reich isn’t revealing exactly what the problems are, he repeatedly said the same thing.

The Colts have to get it fixed.

Until they do, the Indianapolis offense doesn’t have a chance.


Apparently the coaches have noticed

[Oldcolt]

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2022/09/26/colts-highly-paid-offensive-line-has-been-teams-weak-link/69520809007/




Apparently the coaches have noticed

First step is knowing where the problem is. Unless these new players are plain stupid it should be fixable.

[JAFF]

I don't think the free-runner type stuff is about Kelly/Smith helping Pinter. That stuff is communication mainly between Kelly, Ryan, and Jonathan Taylor.

A LB running straight through the A Gap while Kelly steps down has to mean that Kelly thought Taylor had him. And then either Kelly was wrong, Taylor was wrong, or it could've even been that Ryan communicated something different to Taylor... Whatever, we can't know. But wires got crossed.

Excellent point including the running backs. Edge James was outstanding in pass pro, not many fans notice that part of his game

[ChoppedWood]

Excellent point including the running backs. Edge James was outstanding in pass pro, not many fans notice that part of his game

For my money, the best to ever do it. You blitzed, you got your ass stood up!

[YDFL Commish]

For my money, the best to ever do it. You blitzed, you got your ass stood up!

Maybe not last week, but the first 2 weeks JT was not handling the blitz well at all.

[IndyNorm]

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2022/09/26/colts-highly-paid-offensive-line-has-been-teams-weak-link/69520809007/




Apparently the coaches have noticed

We'll see. If Pinter is still in the starting lineup this week then they don't fully get it.

[nate505]

For my money, the best to ever do it. You blitzed, you got your ass stood up!

I remember when he was drafted over Ricky Williams, that was one of the things people said that set him apart from Williams. I also remember rolling my eyes at that...until I saw him in action and realized just how important that was, especially with Peyton Manning as a QB.

[omahacolt]

I remember when he was drafted over Ricky Williams, that was one of the things people said that set him apart from Williams. I also remember rolling my eyes at that...until I saw him in action and realized just how important that was, especially with Peyton Manning as a QB.

edge was a fucking man. he lit dudes up in pass pro. addai was pretty damn good as well.

[ChaosTheory]

edge was a fucking man. he lit dudes up in pass pro. addai was pretty damn good as well.

I was just about to say Addai was drafted due to his pass-pro as well.

But Edge was something else. Genuinely elite at everything. Probably the most selfless Colts player I can think of. Still bums me out that he blew his knee, especially seeing guys today come back full strength in 9 months.

[YDFL Commish]

edge was a fucking man. he lit dudes up in pass pro. addai was pretty damn good as well.

Who was the Patsies poster who said that Addai was nothing more than a gangly 3rd down back and that Maroney was far superior?

[Racehorse]

Who was the Patsies poster who said that Addai was nothing more than a gangly 3rd down back and that Maroney was far superior?

Probably 3effin

[MeSayDayo]

As much as I loved what Addai did for that championship team, I don't think you can look at his career and deem him anything special.
He only really had one good season (his rookie year, ran for just over 1k) and maybe one more after that. He was injury riddled and out of the league by like his 4th year.
His skillset was really unique and I honestly am having trouble even drawing a similar comparison to him in today's NFL. He was very very shifty with an awesome jump cut move (similar to Lesean McCoy) and had great hands. He could make something out of nothing in little space, but also was not that explosive and looked completely lost running at the second level. I don't think he broke more than one or two long runs in his whole career, but he had awesome hands, a good football brain and was fantastic in pass pro.

Ultimately, Addai was definitely a wasted first round pick even if he contributed in that Superbowl with like 10 catches. In hindsight, we should have just resigned Edge. He went on to having another good 4 years in the league.

[Spike]

As much as I loved what Addai did for that championship team, I don't think you can look at his career and deem him anything special.
He only really had one good season (his rookie year, ran for just over 1k) and maybe one more after that. He was injury riddled and out of the league by like his 4th year.
His skillset was really unique and I honestly am having trouble even drawing a similar comparison to him in today's NFL. He was very very shifty with an awesome jump cut move (similar to Lesean McCoy) and had great hands. He could make something out of nothing in little space, but also was not that explosive and looked completely lost running at the second level. I don't think he broke more than one or two long runs in his whole career, but he had awesome hands, a good football brain and was fantastic in pass pro.

Ultimately, Addai was definitely a wasted first round pick even if he contributed in that Superbowl with like 10 catches. In hindsight, we should have just resigned Edge. He went on to having another good 4 years in the league.

I respectively disagree. If a guy helps you win a Super Bowl and Addai definitely did that, it's not a wasted draft pick. Having said that, Edge is one of my favorite Colts of all time.

[Oldcolt]

Pinter has looked like shit, so has the entire line but my question is why? I find it difficult to believe that he is to weak to play guard. He has issues with bull rushes as has been pointed out, but if that was the only issue on this line we would be flying. JT has been a stud at pass protection in the past, he is built like a rock and has zero fear. He is the real deal. Until this group plays like a unit it is impossible to say that one guy is the issue. When you have 7-8 guys (I include our QB, RB and TE) who are not on the same page the biggest culprit is coaching. They (the line) don’t seem to know what the fuck they are supposed to do in relation to each other. Weird because that was a strong point for this staff and unit until recently. Not giving up on this group yet but sure not getting excited about them.

[MeSayDayo]

I respectively disagree. If a guy helps you win a Super Bowl and Addai definitely did that, it's not a wasted draft pick.

Fair point, and perhaps I referred strongly to it being a wasted pick. I would probably say that he wasn't worthy of a first rounder though.

[Discflinger]

Who was the Patsies poster who said that Addai was nothing more than a gangly 3rd down back and that Maroney was far superior?

Ah, the famous local scout report.

[ChaosTheory]

Ultimately, Addai was definitely a wasted first round pick even if he contributed in that Superbowl with like 10 catches. In hindsight, we should have just resigned Edge. He went on to having another good 4 years in the league.

I'd loved to have kept Edge, and Polian wanted to keep him, but they couldn't do it with the size (length) that Edge wanted and deserved.

Manning and Harrison alone were already like 25% of the cap, prime Reggie needed to be signed that same off-season and they knew in the near future guys in their prime like Freeney, Mathis, Clark, Sanders, etc. would need contracts.

There was also an upward trend in RB-by-committee happening. For what it's worth: Rhodes + Addai rushed for more yards in 2006 than Edge + Rhodes did in 2005. And together their salaries were like half of what Edge ended up getting in ARZ.

[JAFF]

I'd loved to have kept Edge, and Polian wanted to keep him, but they couldn't do it with the size (length) that Edge wanted and deserved.

Manning and Harrison alone were already like 25% of the cap, prime Reggie needed to be signed that same off-season and they knew in the near future guys in their prime like Freeney, Mathis, Clark, Sanders, etc. would need contracts.

There was also an upward trend in RB-by-committee happening. For what it's worth: Rhodes + Addai rushed for more yards in 2006 than Edge + Rhodes did in 2005. And together their salaries were like half of what Edge ended up getting in ARZ.

The cap was created to redistribute talent, and it worked

[omahacolt]

The cap was created to redistribute talent, and it worked

thanks captain obvious. so happy you pointed this out for all of us

[Dam8610]

edge was a fucking man. he lit dudes up in pass pro. addai was pretty damn good as well.

Did you forget you and almost everyone else here calling him "candy ass" Addai?

[JAFF]

thanks captain obvious. so happy you pointed this out for all of us

There are some who ignore that. Wait until the end of the season and people want to buy every free agent available

[YDFL Commish]

Did you forget you and almost everyone else here calling him "candy ass" Addai?

To be fair, there was a season or two that he ran very timidly.

[Chromeburn]

The Eagles are what we are trying to be. But to do that you have to consistently spend high picks on your lines. They also invested in WRs.

[MeSayDayo]

The Eagles are what we are trying to be. But to do that you have to consistently spend high picks on your lines. They also invested in WRs.

If we were trying that hard to be the Eagles, we wouldn't have an immobile QB am I right? They are lightyears ahead of us in explosive ability, and may have two receivers that might be better than our best

[rcubed]

We are dead last in points scored thus far this season.

[Chromeburn]

If we were trying that hard to be the Eagles, we wouldn't have an immobile QB am I right? They are lightyears ahead of us in explosive ability, and may have two receivers that might be better than our best

I’m talking about the lines and their investment in the lines. Notice they are spending high round draft picks every year. We have a couple then low round picks. Notice the Eagles are beating people but they are whooping them on the lines.

[YDFL Commish]

I’m talking about the lines and their investment in the lines. Notice they are spending high round draft picks every year. We have a couple then low round picks. Notice the Eagles are beating people but they are whooping them on the lines.

The fact that we are starting 5th and 6th round picks is what is holding this OL back.

[omahacolt]

Did you forget you and almost everyone else here calling him "candy ass" Addai?

i have never called anyone "candy ass" that i recall

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

I’m talking about the lines and their investment in the lines. Notice they are spending high round draft picks every year. We have a couple then low round picks. Notice the Eagles are beating people but they are whooping them on the lines.


The fact that we are starting 5th and 6th round picks is what is holding this OL back.


FWIW - The Eagles are currently starting both a former 7th Round Draft Pick at LT (Jordan Mailata) and a former 6th Round Draft Pick at C (Jason Kelce)

[Brylok]

We are dead last in points scored thus far this season.

Our offense stinks. KC just kept shooting themselves in the foot all game last week starting with the opening kickoff, and finishing with Jones' penalty flag at the end.

[Chromeburn]

The fact that we are starting 5th and 6th round picks is what is holding this OL back.

I think it’s the lack of a solid replacement for the LT position. As soon as Castonzo hinted at retirement we should have been drafting a replacement. The Eagles have had some bad seasons though which help their draft position and quality plus our draft picks as well.

A high pick for Q, then a second rounder for Smith. After that it’s been low round picks and journey men for us.

[Chromeburn]

FWIW - The Eagles are currently starting both a former 7th Round Draft Pick at LT (Jordan Mailata) and a former 6th Round Draft Pick at C (Jason Kelce)

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi/draft.htm

They drafted Andre Dilliard 22 overall to hopefully be a future LT. It’s just tremendous luck that Mailata has become what he has.

[Chromeburn]

Our offense stinks. KC just kept shooting themselves in the foot all game last week starting with the opening kickoff, and finishing with Jones' penalty flag at the end.

I think things will solidify if the oline can get its protection sorted. Everything I’ve listened to in the last two weeks says it should get better as the season goes along because it’s mostly communication. Just will Matt Ryan survive that long?

[Colts And Orioles]

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(vs. BRONCOS, 10/06)


Prior to their loss to the Raiders on Sunday, the Broncos' defense led the league in points allowed, at 11 points per game (33 overall.)

That said, they gave up 25 of the 32 points that were scored against the previously-winless Raiders 4 days ago ...... after a disastrous first 4 games of the season, will the Colts' offensive line finally have at least a decent game tonight on ) Thursday Night Football ???

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[Colts And Orioles]

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(vs. BRONCOS, 10/06)


Prior to their loss to the Raiders on Sunday, the Broncos' defense led the league in points allowed, at 11 points per game (33 overall.)

That said, they gave up 25 of the 32 points that were scored against them vs. the previously-winless Raiders just 4 days ago ...... after a disastrous first 4 games of the season, will the Colts' offensive line finally have at least a decent game tonight on ) Thursday Night Football ???

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I thought that at most, there may have been a slight improvement on the offensive line as compared to the first 4 games of the season ...... but that isn't saying much, considering how awful they were in those first 4 games.

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[Chromeburn]

If we were trying that hard to be the Eagles, we wouldn't have an immobile QB am I right? They are lightyears ahead of us in explosive ability, and may have two receivers that might be better than our best

We had a mobile QB last year. We drafted Sam who is a very mobile QB. If there was a good mobile QB I’m sure we would have looked at him.

The difference is their consistent high investment in the oline and their development of Hurts. We stopped after Nelson and Smith. You can’t stop and you need to also use FA. Our dline looks good finally.

[CanuckColt]

Great Colts O-line...Ryan Kelly is done, period...Smith has regressed a lot...and Q is starting to regress.
All have got large $$$ and are now playing safe trying to collect those $$$ for as long as they can while doing the minimum that they can.

[ChoppedWood]

Great Colts O-line...Ryan Kelly is done, period...Smith has regressed a lot...and Q is starting to regress.
All have got large $$$ and are now playing safe trying to collect those $$$ for as long as they can while doing the minimum that they can.

This is going to sound so sort of whacko but to me, it looks like Q's legs have shrunk. In the past it seemed like he was sort of this pear body with his belly, waist, and thighs all just being one big connected mass.

Looking at him now it seems like his legs are too skinny relative to his torso. He doesn't appear to have as much power as he once did.

[YDFL Commish]

This is going to sound so sort of whacko but to me, it looks like Q's legs have shrunk. In the past it seemed like he was sort of this pear body with his belly, waist, and thighs all just being one big connected mass.

Looking at him now it seems like his legs are too skinny relative to his torso. He doesn't appear to have as much power as he once did.

I dunno, but that's the 2nd time I've seen Q rag dolled this season.

[JAFF]

This is going to sound so sort of whacko but to me, it looks like Q's legs have shrunk. In the past it seemed like he was sort of this pear body with his belly, waist, and thighs all just being one big connected mass.

Looking at him now it seems like his legs are too skinny relative to his torso. He doesn't appear to have as much power as he once did.

Its wacko

Picture from this year

https://www.stampedeblue.com/2022/9/10/23346669/breaking-news-colts-all-pro-guard-quenton-nelson-agree-to-4-year-80-million-extension

[Colts And Orioles]

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NFL Week 3 Takeaways: Lessons, Big Questions for Every Game

(Stephen Holder, NFL Nation)


What to know: ) The Colts' offensive struggles continued against Kansas City, but Indianapolis overcame a recurring early-season theme to notch their best moment of the season for coach Frank Reich and quarterback Matt Ryan. After buckling under the Chiefs' blitzes all day, the Colts managed to mount a game-winning drive, upset the Chiefs and move to 1-1-1.

Can the Colts create any offensive consistency despite their blocking issues ??? ) The Colts have endured more offensive line struggles this season than at any other point in Reich's tenure with the team. As a result, the immobile Ryan (five sacks) is having a difficult time dealing with the consistent pressure, evidenced by his seven fumbles -- the most through three games since Mike Vick had seven in 2011. To create any consistency, the Colts are going to have to truly stabilize things up front.


https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34663383/nfl-week-3-takeaways-learned-big-questions-every-game-future-team-outlooks

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(ONE MONTH LATER)


If their offensive line had been even average this season, the Colts would be one of the best teams in the NFL ...... and if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.

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