JAX game silver linings

[Ironshaft]

So, lots of threads on the board highlighting our anger, frustration, and disgust at the Colts performance today. It was ugly. Heads need to roll. Changes need to happen if anything is to be salvaged from the season.

But, did you see anything good from today? Any silver linings?

Because, I am having trouble seeing any.

Ummmm, our new kicker did not miss today and had no kickoffs out of bounds!

What else?

[Oldcolt]

We are in play to get a shot at a franchise QB next year.

[IndyNorm]

My Sunday afternoons have opened up for the rest of the season.

[TheMugwump]

Pittman just went to the head of the line for a big contract?

More of a silver lining for him, I suppose.

[nate505]

So, lots of threads on the board highlighting our anger, frustration, and disgust at the Colts performance today. It was ugly. Heads need to roll. Changes need to happen if anything is to be salvaged from the season.

But, did you see anything good from today? Any silver linings?

Because, I am having trouble seeing any.

Ummmm, our new kicker did not miss today and had no kickoffs out of bounds!

What else?

Literally nothing other than the punting was pretty good

[Hoopsdoc]

At this point, I hope they lose 49-0 next week.

This team, as currently constituted, is finished.

It’s time for Jim to blow it all up and start over. Keep Taylor, Pittman, Leonard, and maybe Quentin Nelson. No one outside of those guys gives a flying f**k.

Literally everyone else has to be evaluated with an eye toward improving. Trade whoever they can for draft picks.

Target the season after next as the season to make a move.

[ChoppedWood]

Probably put it on a trajectory where barring some form of miraculous run to the AFC Champ game, Frank is a goner. This one will resonate with Jim bigtime. Even with a nice mid season bump and even if he could muster a 1st round win in the PO's, Jim has no choice but to shit can this loser.

[IndyNorm]

Probably put it on a trajectory where barring some form of miraculous run to the AFC Champ game, Frank is a goner. This one will resonate with Jim bigtime. Even with a nice mid season bump and even if he could muster a 1st round win in the PO's, Jim has no choice but to shit can this loser.

If we somehow make the playoffs and especially if we win there, Jim won't fire Frank. But that's not going to happen. This entire team just bent over and spread their ass cheeks as soon as the Jagoffs came out of the tunnel. And then they just stayed in the same position and took the ass ramming the entire game.

[YDFL Commish]

We didn't need to use the FG kicker.

[Thorgrim]

Nope

[YDFL Commish]

Silver lining? Reich didn't fuck up 4th down?

[omahacolt]

My Sunday afternoons have opened up for the rest of the season.

lame

[albany ed]

I really can't imagine this team playing worse than they played today. But, they are playing KC next week, and they have a much better passing attack than the Jags. So, I guess we'll see if they can out-suck this weeks' performance.

[IndyNorm]

Not from the Colts shit show, but a silver lining for the week is McDickface's team blew a 20-0 halftime lead and lost in OT!

[IndyNorm]

lame

So I should continue wasting my time watching this joke of a team?

[HoosierinFL]

Silver lining? Raimann was better than Pryor.

[JAFF]

So I should continue wasting my time watching this joke of a team?

Well, there is competitive ice dancing on bravo

[omahacolt]

So I should continue wasting my time watching this joke of a team?

yes

because you love the team and football. fairweather fans are pussies

[YDFL Commish]

We have a better record than one of the Super Bowl contestants.

[IndyNorm]

yes

because you love the team and football. fairweather fans are pussies

I hear you, but when the product is so bad that you stop enjoying it you eventually have to say enough is enough until some changes are made.

For example: In '16 when I finally got fed up with Clappy and Grig's incompetence I decided to stop watching the Colts until both of those dumb fucks were replaced. The Colts were still my team, and I still checked the box scores. But I didn't really watch the games anymore, and tbh didn't really care much whether we won or lost. As soon as they were both replaced I was back watching week 1 and have been ever since.

And I'm pretty much getting to the same point w/ Frank and Ballard as I was with Clappy and Grigs.

[IndyNorm]

We have a better record than one of the Super Bowl contestants.

True, but the Bungles have played much better teams than we have. And despite their shitty performances they easily could have won both games.

[omahacolt]

I hear you, but when the product is so bad that you stop enjoying it you eventually have to say enough is enough until some changes are made.

For example: In '16 when I finally got fed up with Clappy and Grig's incompetence I decided to stop watching the Colts until both of those dumb fucks were replaced. The Colts were still my team, and I still checked the box scores. But I didn't really watch the games anymore, and tbh didn't really care much whether we won or lost. As soon as they were both replaced I was back watching week 1 and have been ever since.

And I'm pretty much getting to the same point w/ Frank and Ballard as I was with Clappy and Grigs.

i will never understand this

[Colts And Orioles]

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Another silver lining is that we play the Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs next ...... in 2019 when they won the Super Bowl, we beat them on their homefield in Kansas City, with Jacoby Brissett at quarterback.

I think that it's unlikely that we pull off another Houdini act against that perennial juggernaut next week, but for what it's worth, if the 2019 Colts could do it with Jacoby Brissett at quarterback, then the 2022 team should not just throw the towel in before the opening kickoff with Matt Ryan at quarterback ...... of course, the Colts would need Matt Ryan to start playing like Matt Ryan, for starters.

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[MeSayDayo]

I hear you, but when the product is so bad that you stop enjoying it you eventually have to say enough is enough until some changes are made.

For example: In '16 when I finally got fed up with Clappy and Grig's incompetence I decided to stop watching the Colts until both of those dumb fucks were replaced. The Colts were still my team, and I still checked the box scores. But I didn't really watch the games anymore, and tbh didn't really care much whether we won or lost. As soon as they were both replaced I was back watching week 1 and have been ever since.

And I'm pretty much getting to the same point w/ Frank and Ballard as I was with Clappy and Grigs.

The problem with Reich, using this example, is that he has had some moderate success with a lesser Colts team at times. He isn't as bad a coach as the Colts are playing, but at some point in time you have to ask yourself if he has lost the team. They clearly are not playing hard for him.
I don't think Shaq Leonard could have even been close to the difference in this one- Pittman either. We were uninspired, outcoached and outplayed.
With Clappy it was different- The Colts got blown out in a LOT of games that they shouldn't have, but it was still oddly clear that the players were still playing hard for Chuck until his end here for the most part- unfortunately his cupboard was bare and Grigson didn't give him enough to work with.

In the case of the 22 Colts, I think Ballard has given Reich enough to to field a very competitive team, but has stayed status quo on certain positions where he tried to improve but missed. I think the pass rush should be much better, but in the first two weeks it has been clear as day that opposing QB's are getting the ball out very fast against us. So why have we not adjusted our coverage to more press looks? Mills and Lawrence have just quickly dumped their way into easy completions against us. Jam up those receivers and it doesn't happen and our rushers get home a lot more.

I also don't think that Ryan has looked particularly good- and that is largely a result of our scheme. He is new to our scheme and clearly isn't familiar with a scheme that requires his passing targets to constantly bring in contested catches. His arm velocity looks average at best, and he never looks to take a deep shot- even to just jeep the D honest and the box a little bit less stacked.
He is an anticipatory thrower who is operating in a world that requires scheming guys open with drags and a lot of levelled options. The problem though is if those options become unavailable you need a QB who can improvise- and at this point in his career, that isn't Matt Ryan. He just takes the sacks like a good ole boy.

The silver lining of this game has been mentioned- that this may escalate the changes that inevitably would have taken a few years to come to fruition. We can now finally dump Campbell, Lewis, Banogu. We can dump "win now: moves like Foles, Gilmore, Yannick if need be.
And we can seriously revisit all of our assets to see if they are perfectly aligned with where we are and where we are headed. Another loss our two in the division and I am at the point where we should absolutely give Ehlinger a start and see what we have.
If a team is willing to give up a 1st or more for Nelson, Leonard, or Buckner, I am listening. Combine that with an early 1st that we have this year and likely two second rounders and suddenly we are cooking with gasoline.
If we continue on this losing path and have a realistic shot at a high draft pick then we absolutely need to think about adding another 1st round pick and pair a top tier playmaker with our new QB. Might be the only chance Ballard has at a few more years here (a rookie QB with promise), and I think this scenario inevitably happens with a new HC who isn't Reich.

[HoosierinFL]

I think Pittman might have made some difference, he was clearly the primary target last week, and so often yesterday Ryan would go to throw and then clutch it. Without seeing the all-22, I gotta think its because guys weren't open. I think this offense is supposed to work on anticipatory timing, but these receivers aren't executing downfield and Ryan was forced to go to his 2nd and 3rd reads - but that is when the pass rush was getting to him. Without fail, every time he aborted a throw (announcers were calling them pump fakes but he wasn't trying to fake out anyone), he'd get sacked or hit. He only had time to hit that initial read. The pressure got to him in the 2nd half, he wasn't seeing the field well, because he was watching for pass rushers out of the corner of his eyes.

But if this passing offense shits the bed without Pittman, that's a problem. I still think an old T.Y. Hilton is better than the rest of these guys.

I also still think the offensive line has regressed since DeGuglielmo was fired. Reich said it was about teaching technique, but these guys have the skills, but they aren't playing mean. When's the last time we've seen Nelson pancake and teabag a guy?

In fact, I don't think anyone on either side of the ball is playing mean. And its because Reich is too much of a player's coach, with too many light days, walk-thrus instead of real practice. I don't care to hear this "these guys are pros, should be expected to play hard". There is a psychology to lighting a fire under a guy's ass vs. the subtle message that he can make a ton of money playing at 90% effort.

Finally, I don't think we get blown out necessarily vs. the Chiefs. This team under Reich has a long history of playing to the level of their competition. We've played down against bad teams and stepped up against the good ones. I suspect that history is relevant and we'll see it again next week. But if we get slaughtered, then we'll know Reich has really lost the team.

[Hoopsdoc]

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Another silver lining is that we play the Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs next ...... in 2019 when they won the Super Bowl, we beat them on their homefield in Kansas City, with Jacoby Brissett at quarterback.

I think that it's unlikely that we pull off another Houdini act against that perennial juggernaut next week, but for what it's worth, if the 2019 Colts could do it with Jacoby Brissett at quarterback, then the 2022 team should not just throw the towel in before the opening kickoff with Matt Ryan at quarterback ...... of course, the Colts would need Matt Ryan to start playing like Matt Ryan, for starters.

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I actually have a lot less confidence against KC with Bradley as defensive coordinator.

I think Eberflus’s style of defense is what gave Mahomes fits. I think he’ll be much more familiar with Bradley and probably much better.

[HoosierinFL]

I actually have a lot less confidence against KC with Bradley as defensive coordinator.

I think Eberflus’s style of defense is what gave Mahomes fits. I think he’ll be much more familiar with Bradley and probably much better.

Yea I never was one to complain about Eberflus. And I didn't love the Bradley hire, and I'm starting to not love it more and more.

[omahacolt]

I think Pittman might have made some difference, he was clearly the primary target last week, and so often yesterday Ryan would go to throw and then clutch it. Without seeing the all-22, I gotta think its because guys weren't open. I think this offense is supposed to work on anticipatory timing, but these receivers aren't executing downfield and Ryan was forced to go to his 2nd and 3rd reads - but that is when the pass rush was getting to him. Without fail, every time he aborted a throw (announcers were calling them pump fakes but he wasn't trying to fake out anyone), he'd get sacked or hit. He only had time to hit that initial read. The pressure got to him in the 2nd half, he wasn't seeing the field well, because he was watching for pass rushers out of the corner of his eyes.

But if this passing offense shits the bed without Pittman, that's a problem. I still think an old T.Y. Hilton is better than the rest of these guys.

I also still think the offensive line has regressed since DeGuglielmo was fired. Reich said it was about teaching technique, but these guys have the skills, but they aren't playing mean. When's the last time we've seen Nelson pancake and teabag a guy?

In fact, I don't think anyone on either side of the ball is playing mean. And its because Reich is too much of a player's coach, with too many light days, walk-thrus instead of real practice. I don't care to hear this "these guys are pros, should be expected to play hard". There is a psychology to lighting a fire under a guy's ass vs. the subtle message that he can make a ton of money playing at 90% effort.

Finally, I don't think we get blown out necessarily vs. the Chiefs. This team under Reich has a long history of playing to the level of their competition. We've played down against bad teams and stepped up against the good ones. I suspect that history is relevant and we'll see it again next week. But if we get slaughtered, then we'll know Reich has really lost the team.
both lines are getting pushed around. except for grover.

[YDFL Commish]

both lines are getting pushed around. except for grover.

What are we paying Buckner for?

[CletusPyle]

I think Pittman might have made some difference, he was clearly the primary target last week, and so often yesterday Ryan would go to throw and then clutch it. Without seeing the all-22, I gotta think its because guys weren't open. I think this offense is supposed to work on anticipatory timing, but these receivers aren't executing downfield and Ryan was forced to go to his 2nd and 3rd reads - but that is when the pass rush was getting to him. Without fail, every time he aborted a throw (announcers were calling them pump fakes but he wasn't trying to fake out anyone), he'd get sacked or hit. He only had time to hit that initial read. The pressure got to him in the 2nd half, he wasn't seeing the field well, because he was watching for pass rushers out of the corner of his eyes.

But if this passing offense shits the bed without Pittman, that's a problem. I still think an old T.Y. Hilton is better than the rest of these guys.

I also still think the offensive line has regressed since DeGuglielmo was fired. Reich said it was about teaching technique, but these guys have the skills, but they aren't playing mean. When's the last time we've seen Nelson pancake and teabag a guy?

In fact, I don't think anyone on either side of the ball is playing mean. And its because Reich is too much of a player's coach, with too many light days, walk-thrus instead of real practice. I don't care to hear this "these guys are pros, should be expected to play hard". There is a psychology to lighting a fire under a guy's ass vs. the subtle message that he can make a ton of money playing at 90% effort.

Finally, I don't think we get blown out necessarily vs. the Chiefs. This team under Reich has a long history of playing to the level of their competition. We've played down against bad teams and stepped up against the good ones. I suspect that history is relevant and we'll see it again next week. But if we get slaughtered, then we'll know Reich has really lost the team.

Good post....and I agree about TY, not sure he wants to come back?

[Colts And Orioles]

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Another silver lining is that we play the Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs next ...... in 2019 when they won the Super Bowl, we beat them on their homefield in Kansas City, with Jacoby Brissett at quarterback.

I think that it's unlikely that we pull off another Houdini act against that perennial juggernaut next week, but for what it's worth, if the 2019 Colts could do it with Jacoby Brissett at quarterback, then the 2022 team should not just throw the towel in before the opening kickoff with Matt Ryan at quarterback ...... of course, the Colts would need Matt Ryan to start playing like Matt Ryan, for starters.

o






I actually have a lot less confidence against KC with Bradley as defensive coordinator.

I think Eberflus’s style of defense is what gave Mahomes fits. I think he’ll be much more familiar with Bradley and probably much better.





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You're probably right ...... I was just thinking of the best-case scenario, which probably won't come to fruition.

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[HoosierinFL]

Good post....and I agree about TY, not sure he wants to come back?

If i was him I would not want to come back in the middle of this mess.

[Colts And Orioles]

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This is a potential silver lining ......

When the offense is horrible, it also affects the defense ...... not only is the offense not scoring points when they play badly, but they also are usually not possessing the ball very much. Subsequently, the defense has to labor much more because they are on the field so much.

That factor (time of possession) combined with the fact that the Colts have been playing without their best player (Shaquille Leonard) tells me that the defense has probably been playing better than if one were just judging them by looking at the scoreboard ...... so if the offense can get their asses in gear and Matt Ryan starts to play like Matt Ryan, that could help the team exponentially besides the obvious (scoring points.)

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[Racehorse]

The silver lining is actually aluminum foil.

[YDFL Commish]

Sean Payton is still available. That's my silver lining.

[omahacolt]

What are we paying Buckner for?

well he is hurt. also i havent seen the all 22 to see if he is getting his usual double teams but year. he just isn't making a major impact

[Brylok]

The silver lining is actually aluminum foil.

Wrapped around freezer-burned horse meat. They were dead out there. Zombies

[YDFL Commish]

well he is hurt. also i havent seen the all 22 to see if he is getting his usual double teams but year. he just isn't making a major impact


From what I saw yesterday, the Jags strategy was to double Buckner and Grove.

[Chromeburn]

Sean Payton is still available. That's my silver lining.

The Saints own his rights. So you gotta work something out there.

[JAFF]

http://https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kowx4L1w2FE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kowx4L1w2FE)

[ChoppedWood]

We could be the Tits

I admit I am reaching but wow they suck ass!:eek:

[IndyNorm]

We could be the Tits

I admit I am reaching but wow they suck ass!:eek:

Let's not hold our breath, but we do get them at home in 2 weeks where both teams will very likely be looking for their first victory.

[Brylok]

Let's not hold our breath, but we do get them at home in 2 weeks where both teams will very likely be looking for their first victory.

If the Colts stay in current form, the Titans will win. I have no doubt about that.

[Dam8610]

In response to the OP, Johnathan Taylor is down to a 20 carry per game average thanks to practically no runs in this game (which makes no sense with them having elite edge rush talent and the Colts top 2 WRs out), and Raimann didn't look half bad against Allen and Walker late in the game (and those are two guys who can do damage against any OL).

They need to start Raimann at LT, put Pryor at RG, and move forward with that unit.

That said, as college offenses and concepts creep more and more into the NFL, it does seem like teams can be completely different from week to week. This team was disastrous, but a team with largely the same key players demolished the Bills last year, by a similar score to what they just beat the Titans by. There are 15 more games in this season, and I think we just saw the worst of what this Colts team will be, but I doubt we've seen even close to the best it will be. And if we have seen the best of this team, I'll take a new coach and Bryce Young.

[Colts And Orioles]

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Another silver lining is that we play the Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs next ...... in 2019 when they won the Super Bowl, we beat them on their homefield in Kansas City, with Jacoby Brissett at quarterback.

I think that it's unlikely that we pull off another Houdini act against that perennial juggernaut next week, but for what it's worth, if the 2019 Colts could do it with Jacoby Brissett at quarterback, then the 2022 team should not just throw the towel in before the opening kickoff with Matt Ryan at quarterback ...... of course, the Colts would need Matt Ryan to start playing like Matt Ryan, for starters.

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Those crazy Colts did it again.

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