Unfortunately ChoppedWood is right

[IndyNorm]

It's time for Frank to go and Ballard along with him. This team is nothing shy of absolute fucking garbage.

[rcubed]

It's time for Frank to go and Ballard along with him. This team is nothing shy of absolute fucking garbage.


Bit of an overreactive statement there.

[IndyNorm]

Bit of an overreactive statement there.

Have you not looked at the score the past 2 weeks? Or week 17 from last year for that matter?

[omahacolt]

this team is cooked.


fire them all. its over

[Brylok]

Lazy-ass players making bank. Reich has no respect. He's a preacher, not a head coach. Interesting times here. Awful on the field.

[Brylok]

It's time for Frank to go and Ballard along with him. This team is nothing shy of absolute fucking garbage.

Keep Ballard, but Frank is cooked.

[IndyNorm]

Keep Ballard, but Frank is cooked.

Why? What the fuck has Ballard done to make this team better.? He had the most cap space in the league and a shit ton of draft picks to work with coming off an underachieving season and we're worse at OL, WR, TE, CB, and no better at QB and DL.

[omahacolt]

Keep Ballard, but Frank is cooked.

ballard doesn't deserve to stay. look at LT and wr

look at pass rush and defense as a whole

[Brylok]

Why? What the fuck has Ballard done to make this team better.? He had the most cap space in the league and a shit ton of draft picks to work with coming off an underachieving season and we're worse at OL, WR, TE, CB, and no better at QB and DL.

He's kept us somewhat relevant and middle of the pack in a time where we've lost Peyton and ruined Luck. We aren't Detroit and that itself is enough to keep him around. I also think his players all have potential to be very good, but Reich isn't the coach to develop that talent.

[Brylok]

ballard doesn't deserve to stay. look at LT and wr

look at pass rush and defense as a whole

It's arguable for sure. Scary thing is it's only game two.

[albany ed]

Maybe the Colts can get the overall #1 draft choice and draft a kicker.

[IndyNorm]

He's kept us somewhat relevant and middle of the pack in a time where we've lost Peyton and ruined Luck. We aren't Detroit and that itself is enough to keep him around. I also think his players all have potential to be very good, but Reich isn't the coach to develop that talent.

Newsflash: we aren't middle of the pack any more. We're bottom of the barrel. And that Lions team you're banging on comfortably beat the team today that comfortably beat the Jagoffs team that skull fucked the shit out of the team Ballard put together.

[Brylok]

Newsflash: we aren't middle of the pack any more. We're bottom of the barrel. And that Lions team you're banging on comfortably beat the team today that comfortably beat the Jagoffs team that skull fucked the shit out of the team Ballard put together.

I like you Norm, but don't take it out on me. I just posted my opinion. We're shit either way, for one reason or another.

[IndyNorm]

I like you Norm, but don't take it out on me. I just posted my opinion. We're shit either way, for one reason or another.

I like you too Brylok, and my response was nothing personal. Just trying to drive home my points. My apologies for any offense.

[CletusPyle]

Can the Colts turn it around? Reich has to convince his team a reversal is possible.

"As pathetic as that was today, where this is and where we need to be, the distance is not that far," Reich said. "We have the players and coaches to do it. I know that doesn't play in the outside world, and I'm fine with that. We'll take our medicine and I'll take my medicine and we'll just keep doing what we do."

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34619210/jacksonville-jaguars-blank-indianapolis-colts-embarrassing-loss-hopeful-contender

[rm1369]

I’m not completely absolving Reich of responsibility, but Ballard has IMO played a major role in the slow starts as well. The constant QB carousel and the constant focus on development instead of achievement are major factors. Last season was nothing but an extended training camp for young DEs. They didn’t earn their spots, they were gifted them by the lack of available options. It appears the same is happening at WR and TE this year. Veterans have a value that Ballard refuses to see, so the early season is simply an extension of training camp to see who rises to the top. Fuck, they are rotating players at LT now. You don’t fucking do that if you have a solution at the position. Especially not at fucking LT. Not to mention the shit at PK.

[rcubed]

Have you not looked at the score the past 2 weeks? Or week 17 from last year for that matter?


Hahaha! I wrote that before seeing the game. I watched it later on replay. I recant my statement. Totally agree, Fuck them all.

[CletusPyle]

There are 15 games left, I plan to watch them all regardless of who the Colts have as a coach and GM at the end of the season. It looks bleak, and the team has not looked good! But they should have won the game in Houston, they did everything right in the OT and then missed a very makable FG. Yesterday was a train wreck, but this team is too thin in talent to be missing players like Pittman, Leonard, and even Pierce!

Speaking of Pierce, this guy could be a very important piece. He could also be a bust, but he might be another Wes Welker, which would totally change the efficiency of this offense. Getting back Shaquille Leonard could greatly improve this defense, and getting Michael Pittman back in the lineup will make this team instantly better. We have yet to see this team at full strength. I am not defending Reich or Ballard, I believe all the criticism is warranted and more than likely unless this team has a major turn around both of these guys may be gone next season.

Just my two cents, not trying to persuade anyone or make excuses, I have just watched enough football to know that dramatic turnarounds do happen....occasionally!

[Dam8610]

There are 15 games left, I plan to watch them all regardless of who the Colts have as a coach and GM at the end of the season. It looks bleak, and the team has not looked good! But they should have won the game in Houston, they did everything right in the OT and then missed a very makable FG. Yesterday was a train wreck, but this team is too thin in talent to be missing players like Pittman, Leonard, and even Pierce!

Speaking of Pierce, this guy could be a very important piece. He could also be a bust, but he might be another Wes Welker, which would totally change the efficiency of this offense. Getting back Shaquille Leonard could greatly improve this defense, and getting Michael Pittman back in the lineup will make this team instantly better. We have yet to see this team at full strength. I am not defending Reich or Ballard, I believe all the criticism is warranted and more than likely unless this team has a major turn around both of these guys may be gone next season.

Just my two cents, not trying to persuade anyone or make excuses, I have just watched enough football to know that dramatic turnarounds do happen....occasionally!

If you're looking for Alec Pierce to be Wes Welker, prepare to be disappointed. If you're looking for him to be D.K. Metcalf lite, you might not be.

[ChaosTheory]

The only thing Pierce and Welker have in common is being white.

[CletusPyle]

The only thing Pierce and Welker have in common is being white.

Really, I hadn't noticed?

How about Jordy Nelson then?:D

[Chaka]

Why? What the fuck has Ballard done to make this team better.? He had the most cap space in the league and a shit ton of draft picks to work with coming off an underachieving season and we're worse at OL, WR, TE, CB, and no better at QB and DL.

Well, let's see, we had 7 pro bowlers just last year so there's that. He drafted Taylor, Pittman, Stewart, Nelson, Smith, Leonard, Hines, and Blackmon (I'm probably forgetting a few) as well as several other recent/good role players. Sure, he's had some misfires (particularly at DE, where he's invested several high picks), but his batting average has been much better than most - and way better than the years that preceded him. And with the notable exception of Nelson, all without any picks in the top half of the first round. What team in the second half of the draft has done better?

In free agency/trades, he's been fairly restrained - he resisted the temptation to sign some of the big names that some here have passionately advocated (I recall Le'Veon Bell, Landon Collins and Andrew Norwall off the top of my head), but he's added a limited number that seem pretty good - Buckner, Ryan, Gilmore. Who are the other players he should have added?

At LT, Castanzo just retired in January of last year. He signed Fisher at first, an injury gamble that didn't work out as hoped. Maybe he could have gone after Trent Williams, so I guess that's not an unreasonable criticism. This year, not sure why he thought Pryor was the answer, but he also drafted a well-regarded guy and its early so we'll see. But I get the LT criticism, though most of you are saying that the established players are a big part of the problem on the rest of the line, so why is that Ballard's fault?

At WR, take away any teams' top two WRs and you'll have a thin receiving corps and some less than recognizable names. Pittman appears to be growing into the role the team envisioned for him but got hurt, jury's not back on Pierce yet. As much as I like TY, I don't think he would be making a material difference at this point in his career. Maybe Julio Jones? The guy hasn't played well in recent years and gets hurt. Again, I think some criticism of Ballard is certainly warranted, but certainly not as vicious as many are being. If his faith in Pittman and Pierce proves to be misguided, then I'd see the the criticism more clearly.

At QB, I don't really see much reason for criticism at all. He hasn't had a super high draft pick where most of the top QBs are found, so what have been his options? He's brought in well-regarded, experienced guys - exactly what everyone seems to think he should do at these other positions - but none so far (save perhaps Rivers, who he tried to re-sign) have performed to the level which would warrant keeping them for more than one season. I continue to maintain that although the Wentz trade didn't turn out great in retrospect, it was a worthwhile gamble under the circumstances - and Ballard cut his losses immediately to minimize the damages.

The rest of the criticisms focus on underperforming veteran guys who have shown they are capable of much better play in prior seasons. That, to me, is on the coaching staff and the players themselves. Ballard provides the talent, Reich should develop it (though overpaying these players would be on Ballard). I like Reich and want him to succeed, but ultimately getting the players to perform is his job. Incidentally, it's funny to look back at the list of guys that Ballard interviewed at the time he "hired" McDaniel and then hired Reich - several were unproven/unknown at the time but other teams have since identified and hired some of these guys as head coaches (including Dan Campbell, Matt Ruhle, Mike Vrabel if I recall correctly).

[IndyNorm]

Well, let's see, we had 7 pro bowlers just last year so there's that. He drafted Taylor, Pittman, Stewart, Nelson, Smith, Leonard, Hines, and Blackmon (I'm probably forgetting a few) as well as several other recent/good role players. Sure, he's had some misfires (particularly at DE, where he's invested several high picks), but his batting average has been much better than most - and way better than the years that preceded him. And with the notable exception of Nelson, all without any picks in the top half of the first round. What team in the second half of the draft has done better?



Every single other team in the league who have had no problems beating the Jagoffs. That's who.

[CletusPyle]

If you're looking for Alec Pierce to be Wes Welker, prepare to be disappointed. If you're looking for him to be D.K. Metcalf lite, you might not be.

I don't expect him to be Wes Welker, I was just saying he might end up being a very good possession receiver...I see him working out of the slot position, but I hope this concussion problem was just a freak thing, I'm not aware of him having many injuries problems in college. Jordy Nelson would probably be a better comparison, again not saying he will be as good as either of these guys, just saying he could end up being that type of player if we are very lucky!

[Chaka]

Every single other team in the league who have had no problems beating the Jagoffs. That's who.

Missed the point. And no problems? Jacksonville beat Buffalo last year and held them to 6 points. Allen had 2 INTs and no TDs. Jacksonville is likely much better this year, without Meyer and with Lawrence having a year under his belt.

[apballin]

Our division is trash…

Beat the Chiefs

Let’s get rolling

[MeSayDayo]

I don't expect him to be Wes Welker, I was just saying he might end up being a very good possession receiver...I see him working out of the slot position, but I hope this concussion problem was just a freak thing, I'm not aware of him having many injuries problems in college. Jordy Nelson would probably be a better comparison, again not saying he will be as good as either of these guys, just saying he could end up being that type of player if we are very lucky!

I don't think either one of these comparisons are apt at all, aside from the fact that you are comparing AP to white receivers. But he is nothing like Welker as a player.
Any recent comparison that I would hope AP can become would be someone like AJ Green. They have a similar build and length. AP is a bit thicker, but likely less nimble.
Only time well tell...so far AP has shown exactly nothing, albeit he did take a huge cheap shot in game 1 that led to his concussion. We need him to step up and start developing, badly

[ChoppedWood]

Missed the point. And no problems? Jacksonville beat Buffalo last year and held them to 6 points. Allen had 2 INTs and no TDs. Jacksonville is likely much better this year, without Meyer and with Lawrence having a year under his belt.

Jags could easily win this division.

[CletusPyle]

I don't think either one of these comparisons are apt at all, aside from the fact that you are comparing AP to white receivers. But he is nothing like Welker as a player.
Any recent comparison that I would hope AP can become would be someone like AJ Green. They have a similar build and length. AP is a bit thicker, but likely less nimble.
Only time well tell...so far AP has shown exactly nothing, albeit he did take a huge cheap shot in game 1 that led to his concussion. We need him to step up and start developing, badly

Jordy Nelson is almost exactly the same size, and I can easily see Alec being used in a similar way. I have also seen articles from analyst that compared the two. My comparison to Welker was a poor comparison, I admit that, but I was just trying to say he might end up being a bust or end up being a great clutch possession receiver. He supposedly has great hands and runs precise routes.

[Dam8610]

I don't expect him to be Wes Welker, I was just saying he might end up being a very good possession receiver...I see him working out of the slot position, but I hope this concussion problem was just a freak thing, I'm not aware of him having many injuries problems in college. Jordy Nelson would probably be a better comparison, again not saying he will be as good as either of these guys, just saying he could end up being that type of player if we are very lucky!

It's not the talent level of the comparison that I was taking issue with, it's the play style. You could say Hunter Renfrow and I'd disagree for the same reason. Slot receivers like Welker and Renfrow rely on quickness, agility, and route running ability to create separation. X receivers like D.K. Metcalf, Jordy Nelson, or even Calvin Johnson are big receivers with the strength to get off of a jam, and the speed to run by defenders and make plays using their size and speed. Usually their route trees are far more limited, but they're very effective at using their size and speed to maximize the effectiveness of the routes they run, like "boxing out" a CB using their body on a slant, or beating a jam to win a fade route over the top.

[Dam8610]

Missed the point. And no problems? Jacksonville beat Buffalo last year and held them to 6 points. Allen had 2 INTs and no TDs. Jacksonville is likely much better this year, without Meyer and with Lawrence having a year under his belt.

Lawrence is a bust.

[YDFL Commish]

Lawrence is a bust.

That may be, but we have mad him look like he will be getting a bust in Canton the last two games against the Jags.

[Chaka]

Lawrence is a bust.

Honestly, I hope you're right. But year 2 is when lots of these guys take a leap forward, and he's been done pretty well so far this year.

[IndyNorm]

Missed the point. And no problems? Jacksonville beat Buffalo last year and held them to 6 points. Allen had 2 INTs and no TDs. Jacksonville is likely much better this year, without Meyer and with Lawrence having a year under his belt.

That was a very slight exaggeration considering the rest of the league is 28-2 w/ an average score of +13 points/game since the start of the 2020 season. So yeah, damn near every team other than the Colts have had no problem with the Jagoffs.

Speaking of missing points, you obviously missed mine. That's great that Ballard's had a couple of really good drafts, but the NFL is a what have you done for me lately league. And what did Ballard do in the offseason that actually improved the team? Going into the offseason we needed to get better at QB, WR, OL, DL (pass rush), and to a lesser extent CB. We haven't improved over last year in a single one of those position groups. In fact we're probably worse in all of them with the exception of pass rush, and that's only b/c of how bad the pass rush was last year. It's not realistic to expect that you're going to get better everywhere, but if Ballard was half the GM that some of you think he is then we'd at least be better somewhere.

[IndyNorm]

Lawrence is a bust.

Except when he plays against us. Then he turns into a HOFer. But the Colts have a LONG history of that sort of thing.

[ChoppedWood]

Honestly, I hope you're right. But year 2 is when lots of these guys take a leap forward, and he's been done pretty well so far this year.

He has incredible skill and now he has a REAL QB coach- if he keeps getting protection, he will emerge as a top level QB.

[Brylok]

Lawrence is a bust.

I'd take him in a second compared to what we have.

[CanuckColt]

Lazy-ass players making bank. Reich has no respect. He's a preacher, not a head coach. Interesting times here. Awful on the field.
You hit the nail on the head!

[CanuckColt]

It seems that as soon as a player gets paid, he lays back and spends the rest of his career with minimum effort trying not to get injured.
Not too thrilled with Braden Smith and Ryan Kelly among others.
And what the hell does Hines bring to the team anyway?

[Brylok]

It seems that as soon as a player gets paid, he lays back and spends the rest of his career with minimum effort trying not to get injured.
Not too thrilled with Braden Smith and Ryan Kelly among others.
And what the hell does Hines bring to the team anyway?

Smith, Leonard, Kelly, and Nelson have done fuck all since getting paid that's for sure.

[ChoppedWood]

It seems that as soon as a player gets paid, he lays back and spends the rest of his career with minimum effort trying not to get injured.
Not too thrilled with Braden Smith and Ryan Kelly among others.
And what the hell does Hines bring to the team anyway?

Ask Frank, he is the one that has played him for 15 snaps (26% of the offensive total) and 30 snaps (28% of the total snaps) in our 1st 2 games.

Hey Frank, you do realize he started the Jags game with like a 20 yard reception right? RIGHT? Like you read stats, you watch film, you CAN SEE SHIT RIGHT???

F-Frank Reich!

[Spike]

Lawrence is a bust.

You don't know that yet. I'd rather have him than your boy Mac Jones.

[smitty46953]

I am all for this ... :cool:

Formers Saints coach Sean Payton said he would "have an interest" in coaching for "the right situation."
NewOrleans.Football's Mike Triplett interviewed Payton and asked him about a potential return in 2023. He didn't shy away from hinting at getting back in the game, though Payton did note he has other priorities on his mind right now. Still, most former coaches are cagey about a potential return, so Payton's comments all but confirm his desire to resume coaching. Payton has been the subject of rumors from the moment he retired, and it looks like he will don the headset once again within the next few seasons.

SOURCE: Nick Underhill on Twitter
Sep 21, 2022, 3:33 PM ET


https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/nfl/player/10133/sean-payton

[rcubed]

sure, why not

[ChoppedWood]

I am all for this ... :cool:

Formers Saints coach Sean Payton said he would "have an interest" in coaching for "the right situation."
NewOrleans.Football's Mike Triplett interviewed Payton and asked him about a potential return in 2023. He didn't shy away from hinting at getting back in the game, though Payton did note he has other priorities on his mind right now. Still, most former coaches are cagey about a potential return, so Payton's comments all but confirm his desire to resume coaching. Payton has been the subject of rumors from the moment he retired, and it looks like he will don the headset once again within the next few seasons.

SOURCE: Nick Underhill on Twitter
Sep 21, 2022, 3:33 PM ET


https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/nfl/player/10133/sean-payton

He wouldn't even need to give 2 weeks, could start tomorrow. Hire him NOW!

[YDFL Commish]

I am all for this ... :cool:

Formers Saints coach Sean Payton said he would "have an interest" in coaching for "the right situation."
NewOrleans.Football's Mike Triplett interviewed Payton and asked him about a potential return in 2023. He didn't shy away from hinting at getting back in the game, though Payton did note he has other priorities on his mind right now. Still, most former coaches are cagey about a potential return, so Payton's comments all but confirm his desire to resume coaching. Payton has been the subject of rumors from the moment he retired, and it looks like he will don the headset once again within the next few seasons.

SOURCE: Nick Underhill on Twitter
Sep 21, 2022, 3:33 PM ET



https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/nfl/player/10133/sean-payton

If we don't got Payton, there's a certain team with a star on their helmet that surely will.

[Dam8610]

You don't know that yet. I'd rather have him than your boy Mac Jones.

He's been terrible against any team that isn't the Colts in Jacksonville. He still can't read coverage or throw with anticipation. Let me know when he does.

[Dam8610]

I am all for this ... :cool:

Formers Saints coach Sean Payton said he would "have an interest" in coaching for "the right situation."
NewOrleans.Football's Mike Triplett interviewed Payton and asked him about a potential return in 2023. He didn't shy away from hinting at getting back in the game, though Payton did note he has other priorities on his mind right now. Still, most former coaches are cagey about a potential return, so Payton's comments all but confirm his desire to resume coaching. Payton has been the subject of rumors from the moment he retired, and it looks like he will don the headset once again within the next few seasons.

SOURCE: Nick Underhill on Twitter
Sep 21, 2022, 3:33 PM ET


https://www.nbcsportsedge.com/football/nfl/player/10133/sean-payton

Do you think Sean Payton is good enough to become the first head coach in NFL history to lead 2 franchises to Super Bowl victories? Because I don't. Payton was smart to retire a year after Drew Brees, lest he get exposed further.

If we don't got Payton, there's a certain team with a star on their helmet that surely will.

Good, let them have another decade of futility.

[smitty46953]

Do you think Sean Payton is good enough to become the first head coach in NFL history to lead 2 franchises to Super Bowl victories? Because I don't.

I think he is better than what we have :cool:

[YDFL Commish]

Do you think Sean Payton is good enough to become the first head coach in NFL history to lead 2 franchises to Super Bowl victories? Because I don't. Payton was smart to retire a year after Drew Brees, lest he get exposed further.



Good, let them have another decade of futility.

Let's see, Payton led a Saints squad that started 4 different starting QB's, missed their #1 WR for the entire season and who's #1 RB started only 10 games to a record of 9-8 record for the 2021 season.

What was our record last season with no such adversity on offense?

[ChoppedWood]

Let's see, Payton led a Saints squad that started 4 different starting QB's, missed their #1 WR for the entire season and who's #1 RB started only 10 games to a record of 9-8 record for the 2021 season.

What was our record last season with no such adversity on offense?

But boy we looked good on hard knocks, what a wonderful collection of high character young men.

[Chromeburn]

Let's see, Payton led a Saints squad that started 4 different starting QB's, missed their #1 WR for the entire season and who's #1 RB started only 10 games to a record of 9-8 record for the 2021 season.

What was our record last season with no such adversity on offense?

New Orleans owns his rights.

[CletusPyle]

New Orleans owns his rights.

Through 2024...the Cowboys and Chargers are both reportedly interested, even if the Colts wanted to hire him, I'm not sure he would choose Indy over either of those options?

[Dam8610]

Through 2024...the Cowboys and Chargers are both reportedly interested, even if the Colts wanted to hire him, I'm not sure he would choose Indy over either of those options?

Of the three I'd choose the one that has the long term franchise QB if I were him. That's how he made a name for himself originally.

[IndyNorm]

Through 2024...the Cowboys and Chargers are both reportedly interested, even if the Colts wanted to hire him, I'm not sure he would choose Indy over either of those options?

Dallas is a shit show too, and I'm sure most coaches would rather work for Irsay than Jones. Also, the Saints would be more willing to let him go to an AFC team since they have the rights.

Of course beating out the Chargers with Herbert will be tough.......