Luck (podcast)

[daedge]

Anyone else checked out Luck, Zak Keefer's six-part podcast series?

I am not normally one to listen to podcasts, but this one I wasn't going to miss.

It's fantastic, as painful as it is to re-live what went down less than three years ago.

There's no shortage of interview sources. Jacoby Brissett provided some fantastic insight in the lead up to Andrew walking away from the game, and shortly afterwards when he took over at QB (shudders).

Anyway, it's ad free if you're an Athletic subscriber, or it can be found on Spotify etc.

[Mr. Session]

I don’t get the obsession with this dude. I guess he’ll be my generation’s Bert Jones.

Maybe I’m outgrowing this shit.

[Racehorse]

Anyone else checked out Luck, Zak Keefer's six-part podcast series?

I am not normally one to listen to podcasts, but this one I wasn't going to miss.

It's fantastic, as painful as it is to re-live what went down less than three years ago.

There's no shortage of interview sources. Jacoby Brissett provided some fantastic insight in the lead up to Andrew walking away from the game, and shortly afterwards when he took over at QB (shudders).

Anyway, it's ad free if you're an Athletic subscriber, or it can be found on Spotify etc.

I have not seen it. I would love to hear what was said without all of the crap that goes with subscribing to the Athletic.

[Colts And Orioles]

o


What Happened to Andrew Luck ??? Our New Series Goes Inside his Rise, Shocking Retirement

(By Zak Keefer)

Two and a half years after he stunned the football world, Andrew Luck strolled into a coffee shop on the northside of Indianapolis and asked if it was cool if we sit outside. He said his daughter, Lucy, had picked up a cold at school and passed it on to him. His voice was scratchy, his nose running.

Sure, I told him, figuring at first this might be some sort of cover — he probably wanted the most discreet table in the place, as far away from the front door as possible. I’ll be honest: During our 90-minute chat, I saw a few heads turn. Is that Andrew Luck? they had to be wondering. Is that really him?

Yeah, it was. And yeah, he still lives in Indianapolis, just a few minutes from the Colts’ practice facility, where the franchise he’d once been the face of is still trying to move past his untimely exit. Luck’s decision in August 2019 was one of the most shocking in sports history.

The night he walked away from the NFL — which doubled as the craziest night of my career — my longtime colleague Stephen Holder turned to me after the news conference and said, “That might be the last we ever see of him.”

I thought about it for a second.

“You could be right,” I told him.

Thirty-two months into Luck’s retirement, that prophecy rang true: Luck had essentially become a ghost. You never saw him at games. Never saw him at the team facility. He turned down every interview request lobbed his way; believe me, there were plenty. Even his former teammates and coaches stayed quiet on the matter, offering only vague updates when asked.

Why? Because that’s how Luck preferred it.

In a lot of ways, it felt like he wanted to disappear.

I’d hear whispers from friends and colleagues from time to time. Someone saw him at the airport! The grocery! Out to dinner!

But all the while, it was hard not to wonder: Would we ever hear from him again?

And did we need to?

The end was so sudden, so jarring, but like anything else in the NFL, life carried on. The Colts found a new quarterback. Then another. Then another. Luck’s name would surface in the news every few months — he was hanging with a high school football team in Colorado, he was with Robert Griffin III at the College Football Playoff championship game, the Washington Commanders wanted to trade for him, even though he was still very much retired — but the stories would soon fade, furthering the mystery of what he was actually doing … and if we’d ever find out.

The day we met for coffee, I couldn’t get this thought out of my head: He’s just 32 years old. This guy’s supposed to be in the prime of his career.

That specter still hangs over the Colts, the what-if, the what-could-have-been. Indy hasn’t won a playoff game since Luck walked out, and there’s no doubt in my mind that reality eats at owner Jim Irsay. His team has done an admirable job of moving on, refusing to crater, staying competitive. But Irsay isn’t in this to be competitive. The man wants Super Bowls.

He might have another if Luck were still playing.

“It’s hard to understand the enormity of what happens when Andrew walks away from us at 29 years old,” Irsay said this spring. The man’s been in this league 50 years. Never has he seen a franchise quarterback so young retire 15 days before the season opener.

The question I asked myself over and over that night — Aug. 24, 2019 — is still one that pops into my head every once in a while.

How in the world did we get here?

The idea was first pitched to me about five months ago: a narrative podcast series that would try and sort out the answer.

Initially, I resisted. No need to go back. Hell, I lived most of it. I covered the games. I cringed at the hits he took. I sat in those news conferences. At one point, during his three-year shoulder saga, I had a file on my computer that was everything you could ever want to know about labrum surgery. It was 65,000 words long.

Digging that back up was the last thing I wanted to do.

But the more I thought about it, the more I was reminded of how fascinating his story is and how incomplete it still feels. So much of the NFL calendar can feel monotonous, especially from my seat, covering a team on a day-to-day basis: training camp, the season, the playoffs, injuries, trades, signings, the draft, rinse, repeat.

So many great, messy stories get lost in the midst of that. Stories that are flooded with coverage for a few days, dissected and debated ad nauseam, then barely ever examined again.

This felt like one of those stories, one that deserved another look, and more importantly, another lens.

Luck’s exit — the when, the why, the how — stirred the conversation on what we should expect of pro athletes, and more importantly, what we shouldn’t. To me, his story was never as much a football one as it was a human one, and that’s why it always felt so fascinating. It felt like a Rorschach test for prodigies who could *— gasp — actually find happiness away from the arena in which their gifts set them apart.

In the end, what do they owe themselves?

What do they owe us?

His career always seemed to speak to that duality. He was the No. 1 draft pick who was averse to attention, the franchise QB who wanted to take every last hit, the nerdy bookworm whose personality ran counter to so many stereotypes we have of the position.

The notion that he didn’t love the game was belied by the fact that he spent three years willing himself onto the field so his team’s season wouldn’t collapse, wrecked throwing shoulder and torn rib cartilage and lacerated kidney be damned.

What does his story tell us? What does his exit tell us?

“That a football life cannot be scripted,” veteran NFL writer Peter King told me.

Maybe that’s the lesson in all of this. Think of what franchises can learn from Luck’s story, of what to do — and more importantly, what not to do — with a star young quarterback, and how nothing in pro sports is guaranteed, even one of the safest bets in NFL history.

Honestly, I thought I knew Luck’s story.

I was wrong.

I’ll never forget our interview with David Shaw, Luck’s coach at Stanford and a close confidant to this day. I asked him: Did the Colts build around him the right way?

Shaw was silent for three long seconds.

“That’s the most loaded question I’ve ever been asked,” he finally said.

Then he gave his answer — and it sounded like one he’d been wanting to get off his chest for some time. It was the most insight I’ve ever heard into how Luck truly felt about the Colts’ personnel moves early in his career. Publicly, he never said a negative word. But I’ve always wondered what he thought privately.

I didn’t know RGIII — who edged Luck out for the Heisman Trophy in 2011 — was actually being recruited by Jim Harbaugh to Stanford after Luck had signed with the Cardinal. Imagine those two on the same college roster.

I didn’t know that D’Qwell Jackson, one of the Colts’ defensive leaders, went up to Luck at one point and pleaded with his QB to voice his opinions more strongly to management.

And while I knew 2016 and 2017 were dark years for Luck, I don’t think I ever truly grasped how dark they really were. His shoulder was shot, his confidence gone, and Luck’s throwing coach, Tom House, opened up on how bleak it was.

“He couldn’t even roll a football 20 yards,” House told me. “It was an all or nothing thing.”

We spoke to more than two dozen teammates, coaches, league executives, friends, rivals and those around college football and the NFL.

As for Luck himself?

He asked that our conversation that day over coffee remain off the record — which it will.

As for the podcast, he considered it. He really did. He hasn’t spoken publicly since walking away, save for a quick interview with ESPN at the national championship game in early January.

But he ultimately decided to decline.

Still, the voices in this series shared story after story that I’d never heard, peeling back the curtain on one of the most fascinating NFL careers in recent memory.

We wanted to tell the Andrew Luck story that has never been told, and we wanted to answer this question: How does the greatest quarterback prospect since John Elway end up walking away from the game before he’s 30 years old?

Have a listen and find out.

o

[Ironshaft]

Honestly, while I wish him well, I have zero desire to listen to the podcast.

Water under the bridge.

Peyton was there for the team through thick and thin. I would pay big money to hear him talk.

Andrew was there for the shoe as well.... until he was not.

I am not knocking him. He had the right to do exactly as he did and owned nobody nothing. But, in the end, he chose a different path, and I will never think of him as one of the great Indy QBs.

He had the potential to be one but...

Anyway, I hope that Ryan can bring us some great success over the next 1, 2 or 3 years, win us a Super Bowl and Ballard can figure out successfully what the next succession plan it at QB.

Go Colts!

[rcubed]

I hated that he retired when/how he did, but get and respect the decision.

I wont listen mainly because I dont care enough to devote the time to it. but from the article C&O posted it doesnt sound like we really get Lucks side of the story anyway, keefer said their one conversation will remain off the record. So we are left with conjecture.

[Hoopsdoc]

I like and respect the guy and I wish him well.

But it’s time to move on.

[CletusPyle]

I was shocked when I saw him (on TV) at the Big Ten Championship game...he was thin and small, even looked a little sickly. Not the Andrew I remembered at all. It was actually kind of sad, I wish him well! Kind of surprised he stayed in Indy too, guy could live anywhere he wanted...also surprised he never went into broadcasting. His life now compared to his life in professional football makes me wonder if he didn't hate every minute he played pro football?

[omahacolt]

i will probably listen to this since i drive a lot.


but i really don't want to. the football world really missed out with how his career took place

[JAFF]

His leg may never heal from football. He got a ruptured spleen, which could have killed him. He sold out on every play for his team.

He had the good sense to stop and hopefully extend his life time and his ability to live a normal life.

He owes nothing to anyone. He never gave half effort. Sorry if it didnt get you a super bowl but the coach and gm fucked that up.

[Discflinger]

Smarter and richer than any of us, but can I just say FUCK GRIGSON!

[rcubed]

while the grigson and the team he put together didnt do luck any favors, lets also not pretend that luck didnt play with some reckless abandon that added to his injuries which ultimately led to his early retirement.

[YDFL Commish]

I listened to all 6 episodes and although somewhat revealing, it didn't tell us anything that we already didn't know or suspect.

I also hat that Keefer completely glossed over the ski boarding incident.

[Dam8610]

while the grigson and the team he put together didnt do luck any favors, lets also not pretend that luck didnt play with some reckless abandon that added to his injuries which ultimately led to his early retirement.

If Chris Ballard was the Colts GM from Day 1 of Andrew Luck's career, I firmly believe Andrew Luck would be the (minimum 1 time) world champion starting QB of the Indianapolis Colts today. The OL that Grigson surrounded Luck with was unacceptable and would never have been tolerated by Ballard.

[ChaosTheory]

I haven't listened yet, but I always thought his retirement must've had more to do with things other than his injuries.

Maybe I'm wrong. But people always talked about his interests outside of football. And he got married before the season and his daughter was due in the middle of the season... Was it inevitable?

Guys like Patrick Willis, Calvin Johnson, Luke Kuechly, even Barry Sanders way back... They all got out early while still among the best at their positions, too.

It's just sick to think about because of what we saw in 2018. It was only going to get better.

[rcubed]

If Chris Ballard was the Colts GM from Day 1 of Andrew Luck's career, I firmly believe Andrew Luck would be the (minimum 1 time) world champion starting QB of the Indianapolis Colts today. The OL that Grigson surrounded Luck with was unacceptable and would never have been tolerated by Ballard.

I dont disagree, if we had ballard at the beginning of lucks career things would most likely be in better shape. But again, luck put himself in harms way too much. david shaw used to get mad at him for taking on linebackers at stanford, that was before he ever knew who grigson was.

[apballin]

I haven't listened yet, but I always thought his retirement must've had more to do with things other than his injuries.

Maybe I'm wrong. But people always talked about his interests outside of football. And he got married before the season and his daughter was due in the middle of the season... Was it inevitable?

Guys like Patrick Willis, Calvin Johnson, Luke Kuechly, even Barry Sanders way back... They all got out early while still among the best at their positions, too.

It's just sick to think about because of what we saw in 2018. It was only going to get better.

I mean we really don’t know if he would’ve went out there half hearted trying only to fulfill an obligation we may have been yelling for him to retire anyway…. Who knows

I still believe he wanted to after the KC playoff game and was convinced to give it 1 more year, he tried to go thru the motions and couldn’t continue the charade

[Chromeburn]

Anyone else checked out Luck, Zak Keefer's six-part podcast series?

I am not normally one to listen to podcasts, but this one I wasn't going to miss.

It's fantastic, as painful as it is to re-live what went down less than three years ago.

There's no shortage of interview sources. Jacoby Brissett provided some fantastic insight in the lead up to Andrew walking away from the game, and shortly afterwards when he took over at QB (shudders).

Anyway, it's ad free if you're an Athletic subscriber, or it can be found on Spotify etc.

I might. Don’t know. Still haven’t watched his goodbye speech.

[Pez]

I have no interest in revisiting Andrew lucks retirement. He us a class guy, that made a shifty move by retiring a couple weeks before the season. His timing can probably be chalked up to dumb kid. I hate to say it, but he can kiss my ass.

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[Spike]

Luck is history. Loved the guy. Now though, let's go Ryan.

[ChoppedWood]

F-k him. My position that night, and my position this night. Quitting is not the issue, quitting on the doorstep of a season, yeah F-k him.

[Hoopsdoc]

F-k him. My position that night, and my position this night. Quitting is not the issue, quitting on the doorstep of a season, yeah F-k him.

Ridiculous. The guy wasn’t healthy enough to play. He was beat all to hell.

What did you want him to do, play hurt?

The timing of it sucked for sure but I don’t think it was intentional. I think he hoped he would heal better than what he did. And when he didn’t, he couldn’t face yet another long rehab.

Just tip your cap for what he did for the franchise and move on. He was, and still is, a class act.

[Chromeburn]

F-k him. My position that night, and my position this night. Quitting is not the issue, quitting on the doorstep of a season, yeah F-k him.

It sucks, but he wouldn’t have played anyway.

[CanuckColt]

I don’t get the obsession with this dude. I guess he’ll be my generation’s Bert Jones.

Maybe I’m outgrowing this shit.

An interesting observation....Luck is to Peyton as Bert Jones is to Unitas.

[nate505]

Even though I was a bit upset about it, and thought Colts fans got a raw deal for being criticized for booing the news since it was pretty shocking, I wish Luck the best and don't criticize him at all for his decision. He's the one who has to live with the pain that the sport inflicted on him, and while he did play a style that got him hits, boy did Grigson do him no favors at all in terms of the OL. It was downright fucking criminal.

That said like others, I don't wish to rehash this whole experience either. Part of it's just too painful to know what could have been. If it were another QB on another team, maybe then I would be.

[omahacolt]

i finally got around to listening to this.

pretty tough to relive. just a waste of such a great talent. really hard not to like the kid and harder not to be pissed when thinking about all the great football we are missing out on.

[JAFF]

If Chris Ballard was the Colts GM from Day 1 of Andrew Luck's career, I firmly believe Andrew Luck would be the (minimum 1 time) world champion starting QB of the Indianapolis Colts today. The OL that Grigson surrounded Luck with was unacceptable and would never have been tolerated by Ballard.

All that and a beer gets you a beer. He was unable to play at a high level, both physically and mentally. Jim Irsay should take a big chunk of blame for how this happened

[Dam8610]

All that and a beer gets you a beer. He was unable to play at a high level, both physically and mentally. Jim Irsay should take a big chunk of blame for how this happened

Only for being too loyal to a bad GM. Grigson should've been canned after the 2015 AFC Championship Game. Maybe then Luck doesn't lacerate his kidney running for his life because he has a better OL around him. And before you say something else like "All that and a beer gets you a beer", I know the past can't be changed, this is a discussion forum, seems like the place to talk about "what if" scenarios.

[IndyNorm]

Even though I was a bit upset about it, and thought Colts fans got a raw deal for being criticized for booing the news since it was pretty shocking, I wish Luck the best and don't criticize him at all for his decision. He's the one who has to live with the pain that the sport inflicted on him, and while he did play a style that got him hits, boy did Grigson do him no favors at all in terms of the OL. It was downright fucking criminal.

That said like others, I don't wish to rehash this whole experience either. Part of it's just too painful to know what could have been. If it were another QB on another team, maybe then I would be.

No doubt. There are probably few, if any fan bases in the NFL who wouldn't have booed and some of them like Chicago, Cleveland, and especially Philly that probably would have done a lot worse than just booed him.

[omahacolt]

Only for being too loyal to a bad GM. Grigson should've been canned after the 2015 AFC Championship Game. Maybe then Luck doesn't lacerate his kidney running for his life because he has a better OL around him. And before you say something else like "All that and a beer gets you a beer", I know the past can't be changed, this is a discussion forum, seems like the place to talk about "what if" scenarios.

getting fired after reaching the afc championship game wasn't going to happen.

[JAFF]

Only for being too loyal to a bad GM. Grigson should've been canned after the 2015 AFC Championship Game. Maybe then Luck doesn't lacerate his kidney running for his life because he has a better OL around him. And before you say something else like "All that and a beer gets you a beer", I know the past can't be changed, this is a discussion forum, seems like the place to talk about "what if" scenarios.

I was at the game and Luck tried to move up in the pocket to make a play, and got blasted trying to run rather than throw it away. He didnt learn that sometimes you throw it out of bounds. Hell, Manning didnt learn that until late in his career when he nearly got his neck broke