Espn report Wentz might be welcome in Tampa Bay

[JAFF]

Sports center report. Yeah, Bruce Areans, mr warm and fuzzy, that will work.

Bill Barnwell report: Bucs should trade for Wentz. RG3 thinks its a good idea. He would be an upgrade over what the Bucs have in house

[IndyNorm]

Maybe they'd trade us Kyle Trask, their 2nd round pick last year, for Wentz? Probably not, but might be worth asking.

[Dam8610]

Maybe they'd trade us Kyle Trask, their 2nd round pick last year, for Wentz? Probably not, but might be worth asking.

You want a less athletic QB with similar accuracy and decision making problems?

[IndyNorm]

You want a less athletic QB with similar accuracy and decision making problems?

Is he smart enough to dump it off to JT/Hines when they have all kinds of running room instead forcing it downfield into double/triple coverage? If yes, then yes I do.

[CletusPyle]

Arians would get more out of Wentz than Reich did....I think this is a real possibility, give Arians another chance to show Irsay that he screwed up when he let him go!

I realize, it would have been nearly impossible not to welcome Chuck Pagano back, but he should have made Arians the Head coach and offered Chuck the DC job. Sorry, how many players have lost their job because of injury? Arians would probably refused to do it, but he should have tried.....

[apballin]

We can’t get that lucky, then we could just send that pick to the 49ers for Jimmy

[Oldcolt]

Arians would get more out of Wentz than Reich did....I think this is a real possibility, give Arians another chance to show Irsay that he screwed up when he let him go!

I realize, it would have been nearly impossible not to welcome Chuck Pagano back, but he should have made Arians the Head coach and offered Chuck the DC job. Sorry, how many players have lost their job because of injury? Arians would probably refused to do it, but he should have tried.....

Arians never would have accepted it. No way he is pissed at the Colts. He is a man of integrity and it would take an asshole to accept a head coaching job under those circumstances. Should have hired him instead of Pagano in the first place

[CletusPyle]

Arians never would have accepted it. No way he is pissed at the Colts. He is a man of integrity and it would take an asshole to accept a head coaching job under those circumstances. Should have hired him instead of Pagano in the first place

I'm sure you're right, but I think Arians is the kind of guy that would enjoy the chance to see if he could salvage Wentz's career...I would love to see it myself!

[ukcolt]

We can’t get that lucky, then we could just send that pick to the 49ers for Jimmy

I don't understand the fascination with Jimmy G. He is nothing special in my eyes, i don't see a huge upgrade, if any, over Wentz. Both have severe limitations and are not about to take over a game when you most need the QB to do that.

That's the problem with trying to find a truly dominant QB, they don't grow on trees and cost an absolute fortune to obtain. Rodgers is clearly the best QB who might be available, how much is it going to take to trade for him, and even then can anyone really guarantee he is going to be able to continue to perform at his current levels for the next 3-4 years, which is what you need to be able to get out of a trade of the magnitude it would take to get him. The next level down is Russell Wilson, and he has been great in recent years, but i don't know, and i can't quite put my finger on the reason why, but I am not sold on him as a Colts QB.

The QB i would most like the Colts to look at trying to obtain is Jameis Winston. For what it would likely take to get him, he in my mind is the guy most likely to be able to move this franchise forward from a QB perspective without handicapping them too much financially and resource wise. He throws a nice ball, can read a defense, but is a risk taker, which is something i don't mind from a QB. That epitomizes what Manning was for much of his career. And no i am not comparing the two as being equals!

[JAFF]

The QB i would most like the Colts to look at trying to obtain is Jameis Winston. For what it would likely take to get him, he in my mind is the guy most likely to be able to move this franchise forward from a QB perspective without handicapping them too much financially and resource wise. He throws a nice ball, can read a defense, but is a risk taker, which is something i don't mind from a QB. That epitomizes what Manning was for much of his career. And no i am not comparing the two as being equals!

Isnt Winston a Free Agent

[Chromeburn]

I'm sure you're right, but I think Arians is the kind of guy that would enjoy the chance to see if he could salvage Wentz's career...I would love to see it myself!

He won’t. GL with that. At least I won’t have to listen to the Wentz truthers who say all he needs is more talent around him.

[Oldcolt]

Wentz truthers? Jesus it is called a difference in opinion. You are not god that knows the real ‘truth’ about this QB or any other person alive.

[apballin]

I don't understand the fascination with Jimmy G. He is nothing special in my eyes, i don't see a huge upgrade, if any, over Wentz. Both have severe limitations and are not about to take over a game when you most need the QB to do that.

That's the problem with trying to find a truly dominant QB, they don't grow on trees and cost an absolute fortune to obtain. Rodgers is clearly the best QB who might be available, how much is it going to take to trade for him, and even then can anyone really guarantee he is going to be able to continue to perform at his current levels for the next 3-4 years, which is what you need to be able to get out of a trade of the magnitude it would take to get him. The next level down is Russell Wilson, and he has been great in recent years, but i don't know, and i can't quite put my finger on the reason why, but I am not sold on him as a Colts QB.

The QB i would most like the Colts to look at trying to obtain is Jameis Winston. For what it would likely take to get him, he in my mind is the guy most likely to be able to move this franchise forward from a QB perspective without handicapping them too much financially and resource wise. He throws a nice ball, can read a defense, but is a risk taker, which is something i don't mind from a QB. That epitomizes what Manning was for much of his career. And no i am not comparing the two as being equals!

He’s the perfect guy for this team, game manager doesn’t make a lot of mistakes, has a lot of big game experience, just wants to win doesn’t care about the big stats or getting all the attention

[rcubed]

Isnt Winston a Free Agent
yes, which is a bonus because we wouldnt have to give up capital in a trade.

[Chromeburn]

Wentz truthers? Jesus it is called a difference in opinion. You are not god that knows the real ‘truth’ about this QB or any other person alive.

It’s called obstinacy. I was more referring to the people on Twitter who say the same thing at the head of every single thread regarding Wentz. They actually seem more like a marketing team hired to promote Wentz than actual fans. Most accounts were made recently. One guy only commented about Wentz, that’s all he does.

I didn’t think people still supported Wentz on this site. I don’t know how much more proof people need to see.

[JAFF]

It’s called obstinacy. I was more referring to the people on Twitter who say the same thing at the head of every single thread regarding Wentz. They actually seem more like a marketing team hired to promote Wentz than actual fans. Most accounts were made recently. One guy only commented about Wentz, that’s all he does.

I didn’t think people still supported Wentz on this site. I don’t know how much more proof people need to see.

Without being in the room, I cant say that Wentz is the problem. The entire offense sucked at Jacksonville.

Wentz had ups and downs and much of it is mechanics. You could see that on the game replays. I think his footwork is atrocious, which can directly affect his throwing.

With all of the negative press, and no one from the Colts or players stepping up………… its going to be a long off season

[Chromeburn]

Without being in the room, I cant say that Wentz is the problem. The entire offense sucked at Jacksonville.

Wentz had ups and downs and much of it is mechanics. You could see that on the game replays. I think his footwork is atrocious, which can directly affect his throwing.

With all of the negative press, and no one from the Colts or players stepping up………… its going to be a long off season

I can say it. After watching the all 22. After watching him not even notice open receiver after open receiver. Think that time he overthrew a waving TY was the first time. Nope. TY was trying to get his attention all season waving like a mad man. Dude has tunnel vision for Pittman. Wouldn’t throw to the flats or RBs. Would throw short to the TEs. Downfield all the time and if someone wasn’t open downfield he would hold it forever then run. Hero ball instead of just hitting a nice timing route.

After watching that Warner video snd confirming what I suspected all season. Seeing him rely on the RPO because he can’t read a defense.

He pigeon toes his throws. He has been doing it since before he was drafted. Has never fixed it.

The entire team sucked at Jacksonville. But it wasn’t just that game. Both Jackdonville games, both Titans games, NE, etc. His analytics place him in the 20-25 range of starting QBs, and his accuracy was 27th. CPOE. I don’t know why anyone would want to ride that roller coaster again. Can’t believe the Eagle fans did it for so long.

[Spike]

Without being in the room, I cant say that Wentz is the problem. The entire offense sucked at Jacksonville.

Wentz had ups and downs and much of it is mechanics. You could see that on the game replays. I think his footwork is atrocious, which can directly affect his throwing.

With all of the negative press, and no one from the Colts or players stepping up………… its going to be a long off season

It is much more than just his mechanics, his decision making is atrocious.

[Oldcolt]

I believe you guys about how horrific Wentz was at missing open guys. Goes along with. Ballards ‘make the layups’ comment. Why the hell did he get over 70% of the reps then? If this was a season long thing and not just being pissed off about the last two games then they should have known that they were going to move on from him early enough to sit his ass and save us a #1. To move on from him like this seems like amateur time on our part. Apparently nobody had the balls to make the decision until it was to late. Shit

[Chromeburn]

I believe you guys about how horrific Wentz was at missing open guys. Goes along with. Ballards ‘make the layups’ comment. Why the hell did he get over 70% of the reps then? If this was a season long thing and not just being pissed off about the last two games then they should have known that they were going to move on from him early enough to sit his ass and save us a #1. To move on from him like this seems like amateur time on our part. Apparently nobody had the balls to make the decision until it was to late. Shit

Well they tried Easen for a second, and look how that turned out. I think they were hoping he would get better. The team got healthy. They were killing people despite him. And he did have a few good games in there. Then he just started to decline. People blamed the play calling but he could not pass them into an honest defense. They were still running against 8-9 man fronts. Crazy. He could not take advantage of stacked defenses.

I will say they do not like to make knee jerk reactions, they like to wait till the end of the year. And we were in the race for a playoff spot. I actually think his Raiders game was worse, and he had a 4.4 QBR at jacksonville.

[njcoltfan]

I believe you guys about how horrific Wentz was at missing open guys. Goes along with. Ballards ‘make the layups’ comment. Why the hell did he get over 70% of the reps then? If this was a season long thing and not just being pissed off about the last two games then they should have known that they were going to move on from him early enough to sit his ass and save us a #1. To move on from him like this seems like amateur time on our part. Apparently nobody had the balls to make the decision until it was to late. Shit

I am definitely not a Wentz supporter, I was hoping for Darnold ( thats a discussion for another thread), what I don't get is, why in hell if you are really trying to trade Wentz, would anyone in the organization be fucking bad mouthing him !!!!

[IndyNorm]

I'm sure you're right, but I think Arians is the kind of guy that would enjoy the chance to see if he could salvage Wentz's career...I would love to see it myself!

It would be interesting to see. Since Wentz isn't able to read defenses or get the ball out quickly Arians would have to go back to his boom or bust O. This somewhat suits Wentz, at least his mentality, so he might do ok in it. Ultimately though I'm guessing he'll have way too many turnovers, and he'll probably be hurt a lot since that offense gets its QBs beat up and Wentz can't get rid of the ball to save his life.

[Racehorse]

I can say it. After watching the all 22. After watching him not even notice open receiver after open receiver. Think that time he overthrew a waving TY was the first time. Nope. TY was trying to get his attention all season waving like a mad man. Dude has tunnel vision for Pittman. Wouldn’t throw to the flats or RBs. Would throw short to the TEs. Downfield all the time and if someone wasn’t open downfield he would hold it forever then run. Hero ball instead of just hitting a nice timing route.

This is what pisses me off when people say TY is washed up. He gets open. Wentz is a dud.

[Racehorse]

I should add that the most likely reason we have not heard a peep about TY retiring is that he is waiting to see if Wentz is gone or not. He wants a real QB (Luck was the man) and Wentz is just not it.

[Racehorse]

I believe you guys about how horrific Wentz was at missing open guys. Goes along with. Ballards ‘make the layups’ comment. Why the hell did he get over 70% of the reps then? If this was a season long thing and not just being pissed off about the last two games then they should have known that they were going to move on from him early enough to sit his ass and save us a #1. To move on from him like this seems like amateur time on our part. Apparently nobody had the balls to make the decision until it was to late. Shit

That is worrisome. Makes you wonder if they tried to coach the stupid out of him, and he agreed to do better, but reverted every game to what he feels like doing. I was on the fence about him from the start. Wanted him to work out. Thought he was doing decent. Then came the meltdown to end the season, and I was really perplexed at what had happened. Then I saw the Warner breakdown of the game, and it was obvious that we needed to move on.

[apballin]

This is what pisses me off when people say TY is washed up. He gets open. Wentz is a dud.

Exactly Wentz high inaccurate throws are what nearly got TY killed this season

[JAFF]

This is what pisses me off when people say TY is washed up. He gets open. Wentz is a dud.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HiltT.00.htm

Look at the last 3 years. He missed 45% of the games this year. He has had leg injuries, not good for a speed guy. I would love to see him back as a #1 wr, but evwn he has mentioned retirement.

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2022/01/10/indianapolis-colts-news-ty-hilton-jack-doyle-retirement/

[Racehorse]

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/H/HiltT.00.htm

Look at the last 3 years. He missed 45% of the games this year. He has had leg injuries, not good for a speed guy. I would love to see him back as a #1 wr, but evwn he has mentioned retirement.

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2022/01/10/indianapolis-colts-news-ty-hilton-jack-doyle-retirement/

But the point remains that the guy can still get open, and can still catch. Look at Allen Robinson and injuries. There are plenty of WRs who get hurt. TY has another year or two left.

[JAFF]

But the point remains that the guy can still get open, and can still catch. Look at Allen Robinson and injuries. There are plenty of WRs who get hurt. TY has another year or two left.

Not arguing that. He has missed a 1/4 to 1/2 a season in the last three years. Even TY has suggested it was time to retire. I love the guy, but it is at a point where he may not make it through the year. They need to find a younger wr to complement the offense

[MeSayDayo]

To TY, I bid a fond farewell. He was a great Colt. But he is toast, and we need to look forward.

As for Wentz going to TB? I doubt it, but its possible. Best possible landing spot that his useless ass that he could hope for at this point.
Same could be said for the Steelers. Both have weapons on O, both coming off a season with a retiring HOFer at QB.
Personally, I think both of those franchises go young at QB because the coaches have the leash RIGHT NOW to go young and develop a kid. If you bring in a Wentz type that is basically risking shortening your coaching or GM leash by at least a year or two wasted on that guy. Especially for fanbases as proud and known for consistency as the Steelers. See what the Patriots did as an example. Only difference is I don't think a lot of teams will voluntarily waste a year on a guy like Newton (Wentz) when they have both kind of proven the player they are at this point.
Wentz being packaged with a Wilson or Carr almost makes more sense at this point then a team looking to feature him. TB might be okay with a stopgap but I don't see Pitt being okay with it.

[JAFF]

To TY, I bid a fond farewell. He was a great Colt. But he is toast, and we need to look forward.

As for Wentz going to TB? I doubt it, but its possible. Best possible landing spot that his useless ass that he could hope for at this point.
Same could be said for the Steelers. Both have weapons on O, both coming off a season with a retiring HOFer at QB.
Personally, I think both of those franchises go young at QB because the coaches have the leash RIGHT NOW to go young and develop a kid. If you bring in a Wentz type that is basically risking shortening your coaching or GM leash by at least a year or two wasted on that guy. Especially for fanbases as proud and known for consistency as the Steelers. See what the Patriots did as an example. Only difference is I don't think a lot of teams will voluntarily waste a year on a guy like Newton (Wentz) when they have both kind of proven the player they are at this point.
Wentz being packaged with a Wilson or Carr almost makes more sense at this point then a team looking to feature him. TB might be okay with a stopgap but I don't see Pitt being okay with it.

From indy star

INDIANAPOLIS -- The Colts are still waiting for official word from T.Y. Hilton and Jack Doyle on possible retirements, but the signals they've gotten have been different.

Hilton met with general manager Chris Ballard a couple of weeks ago and indicated he wanted to continue playing. Doyle, meanwhile, has not informed the Colts of his plans one way or another.

They were the two longest-tenured Colts players on last year's roster, as Hilton arrived in the 2012 draft and Doyle as an undrafted free agent in 2013. Hilton said last season that he planned to base his decision on whether to retire or come back on what Doyle decided to do.

But as of now, Hilton is the one showing more signs that he could be back.

More:Colts GM Chris Ballard on Carson Wentz, criticism: 'It'll be interesting to see how he grows from this'

More:Colts T.Y. Hilton on retirement: I know what I want to do but I want to take some time

Indianapolis Colts wide receiver T.Y. Hilton (13) walks the field after making a big reception in the first quarter of the game on Sunday, Jan. 9, 2022, at TIAA Bank Field in Jacksonville, Fla.
"T.Y. can still play," Ballard said. "One, he’s about as smart as any player I’ve ever been around. He just knows how to play the game. Even though his skillset isn’t the same as it was three or four years ago, his instincts and his level of understand what’s happening ... he knows how to play."

The four-time Pro Bowler is coming off his worst season statistically, with 331 yards, as he was limited to a career-low 10 games due to injuries to his neck, head and foot. Now 32, Hilton was one of the Colts' better producers at wide receiver once he came back in November, and he grew as one of the most vocal leaders along the way.


Doyle, 31, continued to flash as a run blocker as he always has, but his receiving has dipped some, with 553 yards combined over the past two seasons. He's a player many cite as one of their favorite teammates for the way he blocks and approaches practice.

The Colts are in need of better offensive weapons after they topped 200 yards passing in just two of the final eight games, but they also seem confident they can find it in areas outside of where Hilton and Doyle play. Figuring out their statuses will become a priority as the start of free agency nears on March 16.

[Racehorse]

From indy star

Seems the GM agrees with me on TY.

[JAFF]

Blind squirrel ………….

[IndyNorm]

Sounds like TY might be back. If he is then hopefully it's a very cap friendly deal and Ballard doesn't just stop there like he did last offseason.

[Puck]

Sounds like TY might be back. If he is then hopefully it's a very cap friendly deal and Ballard doesn't just stop there like he did last offseason.

I think he will be back. He needs about 300 yards or so to hit the 10 k mark. He is smart (according to Ballard) so he will be a good mentor for any new guy coming in. Plus if they bring in Reggie as a WR coach those two work well together

[Chromeburn]

Reggie was TYs favorite player and he would play him in Madden. Getting to work with him again would be a big plus. TY is about to break a bunch of records and having him as a 3rd 4th receiver would be nice.

Arian’s has said several times Wentz is intriguing. I think from the lack of movement at the QB position, it drives up the value of Wentz. Washington and Tampa both could use him. Man imagine going from Tom Brady to Wentz. Lol

[CletusPyle]

Reggie was TYs favorite player and he would play him in Madden. Getting to work with him again would be a big plus. TY is about to break a bunch of records and having him as a 3rd 4th receiver would be nice.

Arian’s has said several times Wentz is intriguing. I think from the lack of movement at the QB position, it drives up the value of Wentz. Washington and Tampa both could use him. Man imagine going from Tom Brady to Wentz. Lol

I said it earlier in the thread and I will say it again...I would love to see what Arians could do with Wentz, I think we might be surprised!

[Butter]

I said it earlier in the thread and I will say it again...I would love to see what Arians could do with Wentz, I think we might be surprised!

Me too, just so I don't have to see what Reich does with him again. I suspect what Arians does with him will be disappointing, cause that is just a Wentz thing.

[IndyNorm]

Me too, just so I don't have to see what Reich does with him again. I suspect what Arians does with him will be disappointing, cause that is just a Wentz thing.

Ha! Same here. No way Arians can run the same offense he's been running the past 2 years with Brady. Wentz is nowhere near good enough at reading defenses, and he holds on to the ball WAY too long. Arians will have to revert to his previous boom or bust offense, which somewhat suits Wentz, but will lead to a lot of turnovers and injuries by him.