The Official Heads Need to Roll Over This Shit Thread

[IndyNorm]

One of the biggest shit performances in NFL history. Reich and staff, Ballard, and Wentz all need to go. They should be happy that I'm not the owner of the Colts b/c if I was then they'd all be finding their own ways home after this fucking atrocity.

Freaks - feel free to add who else needs to go over this.

[Dewey 5]

I agree. All three can hit the road

[Mr. Session]

I don't know how they do it until the year after next. The QB and the HC are like an inoperable tumor in addition to themselves being inseparable from one another. Irsay cares about selling tickets and he's likely got a better chance of fielding an average team with those two clowns than he does with trying to scramble to find a QB and a HC for next season without a first round pick.

While watching the game I really thought about it. This has been Tennessee and Houston's division for years. Riech never established himself. Even Jax had a dominate season within that span IIRC.

Some of the failures of this regime have just been flat out exceptional and truthfully they have barely managed to field a legitimately competitive team for the last decade.

[Luck4Reich]

I don't know how they do it.

While watching the game I really thought about it. This has been Tennessee and Houston's division for years. Riech never established himself. Even Jax had a dominate season within that span IIRC.

Some of the failures of this regime have just been flat out exceptional and truthfully they have barely managed to field a legitimately competitive team for the last decade.

Luck was on the team within said decade. They were always a legitimate team with him in the game. The problem was too slow to remove the problem being Grigson and Pagano.. Now we will be too slow to remove the problem being Wentz and Reich.

[Dewey 5]

Someone, Reich or Ballard, needs to be held accountable not only for this total choke job but for trading for Wentz. Wentz is done. Over. He is not a starting NFL qb.

[Mr. Session]

Luck was on the team within said decade. They were always a legitimate team with him in the game. The problem was too slow to remove the problem being Grigson and Pagano.. Now we will be too slow to remove the problem being Wentz and Reich.

Against who? An Alex smith led Chiefs?

He couldn’t beat NE. He couldn’t beat Pitt. I don’t remember him beating Baltimore.

He was potentially great, but the franchise has not fielded great teams like the did between 2000-2010

[omahacolt]

wentz has to go. they have to cut their losses and move on. it is not an option to keep trying to prop up an obvious mistake.

[Luck4Reich]

Against who? An Alex smith led Chiefs?

He couldn’t beat NE. He couldn’t beat Pitt. I don’t remember him beating Baltimore.

He was potentially great, but the franchise has not fielded great teams like the did between 2000-2010

He carried a really bad team..... Luck on this team goes deep into the playoffs.

[nate505]

What an absolutely disgraceful performance. The house needs to be mostly cleaned. If you can't win this game, you'll never go far.

[Spike]

He carried a really bad team..... Luck on this team goes deep into the playoffs.

You are right on the money with this statement. Luck would have this team as a serious threat to be SB champs. For most of Luck's career, he had a horrible OLINE and a shitty gm and head coach who fucking ruined him.

[Luck4Reich]

You are right on the money with this statement. Luck would have this team as a serious threat to be SB champs. For most of Luck's career, he had a horrible OLINE and a shitty gm and head coach who fucking ruined him.

A healthy Luck with Taylor would keep a lot of defensive coordinators up all night...

[CletusPyle]

I know it is easy for me to say....but Irsay should throw some crazy money at Harbaugh and Peyton, and tell Reich and Ballard to hit the road!

[Oldcolt]

I don't buy that this is Ballard's fault. Difficult decisions ahead. We are stuck with Wentz at least through next year. After that we can release him and not take a financial hit. I think that there is not way we give up on him, eat the cap hit and draft choices, after less than a year with no off season work. We all better hope this asshole can be fixed. I'm not holding my breath.

[IndyNorm]

I don't buy that this is Ballard's fault. Difficult decisions ahead

If you can't put enough talent on the field to beat a 2-14 team in a must win game by your 4th year in charge then you don't deserve to be a GM in the NFL.

Also, Ballard's the one who threw away a 3rd and 1st for Wentz.

[Dewey 5]

I don't buy that this is Ballard's fault. Difficult decisions ahead

They will stay the status quo & we will be battling the Texans for last place.

[Oldcolt]

If you can't put enough talent on the field to beat a 2-14 team in a must win game by your 4th year in charge then you don't deserve to be a GM in the NFL.

Also, Ballard's the one who threw away a 3rd and 1st for Wentz.

You believe we didn't have the talent to beat Jacksonville? I don't think it was a talent problem, except at QB. I will give you that Ballard deserves a lot of responsibility for our QB situation however.

[ZionsvilleColtsFan]

Time to clean house

[IndyNorm]

You believe we didn't have the talent to beat Jacksonville? I don't think it was a talent problem, except at QB. I will give you that Ballard deserves a lot of responsibility for our QB situation however.

The fact that we got the shit kicked out of us by a 2-14 team definitely points to a lack of talent. I do agree that Ballard is the least of the problems. I would say in order it's Wentz, Reich, Eberflus, then Ballard.

[Brylok]

I don't want to blame Ballard, but we're lacking a pass rush for years now, wide receivers, cornerback, tight end. Iffy left tackle. Very stingy in FA and 50/50 results whenever we do spend (Buckner is really good).
Wentz is junk. Colts were desperate and took a chance and lost. He has a ten cent head. I'm just deflated after today. Reich will probably remain here but, meh. Disaster today.

[Racehorse]

I don't want to blame Ballard, but we're lacking a pass rush for years now, wide receivers, cornerback, tight end. Iffy left tackle. Very stingy in FA and 50/50 results whenever we do spend (Buckner is really good).
Wentz is junk. Colts were desperate and took a chance and lost. He has a ten cent head. I'm just deflated after today. Reich will probably remain here but, meh. Disaster today.

This is how I feel. Riding high after Arizona, and then two awful performances that followed. I really thought we were a factor in the playoffs. Thought we could beat a team or two, maybe even go all the way. Today left me very blah about our team. Very down right now.

[DragonTails]

He carried a really bad team..... Luck on this team goes deep into the playoffs.

Luck and the Colts were a deer in the headlights in their last playoff game. Did they have a first down in the first half?

It's just disappoint year after year. Shit gets old. Other things in life to enjoy more than this trash.

[Dam8610]

If you can't put enough talent on the field to beat a 2-14 team in a must win game by your 4th year in charge then you don't deserve to be a GM in the NFL.

Also, Ballard's the one who threw away a 3rd and 1st for Wentz.

What would you have done? If you don't have a better answer, then you don't have much room to criticize Ballard for making what he thought was the best decision at the QB position given the limited resources of the team.

I'd've traded up for Mac Jones, but that ship has sailed.

[Brylok]

I'm out. Can't stay here or I'll get more upset and start the work week in a bad state of mind. Good talking to y'all. Let's hope for change for the better.

[IndyNorm]

What would you have done? If you don't have a better answer, then you don't have much room to criticize Ballard for making what he thought was the best decision at the QB position given the limited resources of the team.

I'd've traded up for Mac Jones, but that ship has sailed.

It's not my job to make the Colts better. It's Ballard's. And putting a team on the field that can't beat a 2-14 to get into the playoffs clearly show's that he's done a shitty job.

[Chromeburn]

A healthy Luck with Taylor would keep a lot of defensive coordinators up all night...

Luck could at least complete passes. Wentz can’t even complete passes unless the defense backs off and plays prevent. He is Sorgi bad. I can’t believe fans are still defending him.

[Luck4Reich]

Luck could at least complete passes. Wentz can’t even complete passes unless the defense backs off and plays prevent. He is Sorgi bad. I can’t believe fans are still defending him.

Don't understand how anyone can defend him anymore.... especially after the past two games.

[ZionsvilleColtsFan]

Luck could at least complete passes. Wentz can’t even complete passes unless the defense backs off and plays prevent. He is Sorgi bad. I can’t believe fans are still defending him.

Wentz isn't in Luck's league and never will be. He was an elite NFL QB.

[IndyNorm]

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[nate505]

It's not my job to make the Colts better. It's Ballard's. And putting a team on the field that can't beat a 2-14 to get into the playoffs clearly show's that he's done a shitty job.

If this team really lacked talent, it wouldn't have been 9-8 this year. Teams with poor talent don't win in general, and over a full season it shows.

Teams with bad coaching and talent who can't get up for big games definitely lose games like this though.

[Dam8610]

It's not my job to make the Colts better. It's Ballard's. And putting a team on the field that can't beat a 2-14 to get into the playoffs clearly show's that he's done a shitty job.

Judging a season on any one game is stupid. Wentz looked and was terrible today, but the financial commitment prevents the team from cutting ties until 2023. Hopefully a full camp in 2022 will help.

Luck could at least complete passes. Wentz can’t even complete passes unless the defense backs off and plays prevent. He is Sorgi bad. I can’t believe fans are still defending him.

Well, it's either hope that Wentz can be better in 2022 or write off the 2022 season. I wouldn't fault anyone for either.

[Dewey 5]

What would you have done? If you don't have a better answer, then you don't have much room to criticize Ballard for making what he thought was the best decision at the QB position given the limited resources of the team.

I'd've traded up for Mac Jones, but that ship has sailed.

I would have traded up for Fields like Ballard reportedly wanted to. But as you said about Jones, water under the bridge now.

[IndyNorm]

Judging a season on any one game is stupid. Wentz looked and was terrible today, but the financial commitment prevents the team from cutting ties until 2023. Hopefully a full camp in 2022 will help.



Well, it's either hope that Wentz can be better in 2022 or write off the 2022 season. I wouldn't fault anyone for either.

Says the guy who judges a player's entire season on 1 fumble.

But yes, when the entire season comes down to beating a shit 2-14 and instead of taking care of business the team shits the bed, it should be looked at as a bad season.

Also, it's $15M in dead cap to cut Wentz. Since Ballard won't use that towards FA then he might as well put it to good use and get rid of Wentz worthless ass.

[HoosierinFL]

I would absolutely be happy to roll with literally anyone other than Wentz next year even if it means a losing season. We are just going to have to spend a year adding players and eating that dead money but it’s better than watching Wentz.

If he is the starter next year I absolutely don’t want to watch, I don’t want to see one more snap of Carson Wentz football.

[ChoppedWood]

Gonna sound somewhat strange given that I think Frank is a complete pile AND that the D actually ended up with relatively reasonable rankings but if I am Jim / Ballard, the first person I step to and tell them they are gone, is Ebersuck.

Think of just how bad this defense really would have been if not for the remarkable turnover creating machine that The Maniac was this year. If not for him, we legitimately probably end up with maybe 5 wins? And not hearing any "well he is put in a position to make those plays"---- no Darius effin' engineers TO's with his incredible instincts- and very likely gets yelled at for not being in a particular spot in Ebersuck's SUCK ASS system!

I was at an event and it was hard to hear so I don't know what the tv commentators were saying. I did however hear a talking head on the radio today- NOT A BROADCASTER OF THE EVENT, but an AM channel game update guy say "I am not sure if the Colts defensive coordinator knows what a blitz scheme is but he better find one in the 2nd half or they are likely out of the playoffs". Nope, we played base over and over and over again.

I don't want to hear he isn't Frank's guy so it isn't Frank's fault. Frank owns the coaching administration, this guy absolutely SUCKS as a DC--- SUCKS and Frank apparently is fine with it! I am tired of pedestrian QB's constantly being 15-19 137 yds and 2 td's in the first half------ OVER AND OVER AND OVER! GET EBERSUCK THE FUCK OFF THIS STAFF ASAP!

[CanuckColt]

I would absolutely be happy to roll with literally anyone other than Wentz next year even if it means a losing season. We are just going to have to spend a year adding players and eating that dead money but it’s better than watching Wentz.

If he is the starter next year I absolutely don’t want to watch, I don’t want to see one more snap of Carson Wentz football.

Yeah, Wentz is fatally flawed for a QB...he NEVER gets the ball out quickly.
He needs more time to figure out where he is throwing than any other Colts QB we have had.

[ChoppedWood]

Yeah, Wentz is fatally flawed for a QB...he NEVER gets the ball out quickly.
He needs more time to figure out where he is throwing than any other Colts QB we have had.

An absolute refusal to throw the ball on schedule- appalling!

[omahacolt]

Judging a season on any one game is stupid. Wentz looked and was terrible today, but the financial commitment prevents the team from cutting ties until 2023. Hopefully a full camp in 2022 will help.



Well, it's either hope that Wentz can be better in 2022 or write off the 2022 season. I wouldn't fault anyone for either.

wentz starting is writing off the 2022 season

[omahacolt]

Yeah, Wentz is fatally flawed for a QB...he NEVER gets the ball out quickly.
He needs more time to figure out where he is throwing than any other Colts QB we have had.

brissett was worse

[Racehorse]

An absolute refusal to throw the ball on schedule- appalling!

The dude does not know what a hot read is.

[Dam8610]

I would have traded up for Fields like Ballard reportedly wanted to. But as you said about Jones, water under the bridge now.

I guess that's just personal preference, but Fields would've cost a lot more. He would've cost about what Wentz cost, plus the 21st pick. You only had to trade to 14 to get Jones, that may have only cost a 3 in addition to the 21st pick, and I don't think it would've cost more than this year's 2. Unfortunate as it is considering who he plays for, I still think Mac Jones ends up being the #1 or #2 QB from the 2021 draft.

Says the guy who judges a player's entire season on 1 fumble.

I predicted a thing and was right. I never said Taylor had a bad 2020 season.

But yes, when the entire season comes down to beating a shit 2-14 and instead of taking care of business the team shits the bed, it should be looked at as a bad season.

Honestly it seems like COVID ended up fucking the least vaccinated team in the league over in the end. It seems like all the players who came back off the COVID list the last 2 weeks performed poorly. Today's loss was incredibly disappointing, but this team overall seems like it was a highly talented team that got struck by injury at the beginning of the season, illness at the end of the season (that could've been prevented with vaccinations), and was 9-3 between those times. It's now up to the front office to figure out how to get the results of Week 4-16 throughout the full season. I would suggest they add "strongly believes in vaccination against COVID" as one of their assessment criteria of players going forward.

Also, it's $15M in dead cap to cut Wentz. Since Ballard won't use that towards FA then he might as well put it to good use and get rid of Wentz worthless ass.

The fans may write off the 2022 season, but the front office isn't going to. Wentz will be their best option to compete in 2022, so they'll roll with him.

[apballin]

How quickly we all forget this defense held Buffalo to 6 points

Wentz will be the QB next year it was a shitty game all around even the Oline wasn’t blocking for shit I have no idea what happened to this team the last 2 games

[Dam8610]

wentz starting is writing off the 2022 season

What's the better attainable option?

[Dam8610]

How quickly we all forget this defense held Buffalo to 6 points

Wentz will be the QB next year it was a shitty game all around even the Oline wasn’t blocking for shit I have no idea what happened to this team the last 2 games

Seems like COVID.

[DragonTails]

Wentz will be the QB next year and Reich will be the coach (with a new 5 yr deal)

I would love a new OC and DC that were more aggressive. Did we ever run a no huddle offense?

3rd and 13 to start the game and we give up a first down that my grandmother could have made.

3rd and 2 and we pass on a play that was so poorly executed and then run on 4th down.

4th and goal...if wentz keeps it and runs to the cone he scores easily. Just need to be smarter and design better and or quicker plays.

Maybe get some receivers.

How the fk do you come out play a game like that against Jax. It's like they knew they were going to lose and didn't want to be there. Fkn pussies. All of them.

I've been drinking since 7-0.

No heads will rolls. Same shit different year.

[apballin]

It fuckin sucks but we went from Wentz being out 10 games to him playing with no ankles to doorstep of the playoffs

Crazy ass season but we didn’t deserve to make the playoffs after these last 2 games but the last thing Reich needs is to start the season with a different QB again

[Dewey 5]

Wentz will be the QB next year and Reich will be the coach (with a new 5 yr deal)

I would love a new OC and DC that were more aggressive. Did we ever run a no huddle offense?

3rd and 13 to start the game and we give up a first down that my grandmother could have made.

3rd and 2 and we pass on a play that was so poorly executed and then run on 4th down.

4th and goal...if wentz keeps it and runs to the cone he scores easily. Just need to be smarter and design better and or quicker plays.

Maybe get some receivers.

How the fk do you come out play a game like that against Jax. It's like they knew they were going to lose and didn't want to be there. Fkn pussies. All of them.

I've been drinking since 7-0.

No heads will rolls. Same shit different year.

Wentz & smart don't often collide in the same sentence.

[IndyNorm]

What's the better attainable option?

Damn near any QB in the NFL. You obviously haven't been watching the Colts much down the stretch if you're asking that.

[IndyNorm]

Wentz will be the QB next year and Reich will be the coach (with a new 5 yr deal)

I would love a new OC and DC that were more aggressive. Did we ever run a no huddle offense?

3rd and 13 to start the game and we give up a first down that my grandmother could have made.

3rd and 2 and we pass on a play that was so poorly executed and then run on 4th down.

4th and goal...if wentz keeps it and runs to the cone he scores easily. Just need to be smarter and design better and or quicker plays.

Maybe get some receivers.

How the fk do you come out play a game like that against Jax. It's like they knew they were going to lose and didn't want to be there. Fkn pussies. All of them.

I've been drinking since 7-0.

No heads will rolls. Same shit different year.

Unfortunately you're probably right. Oh well, at least I'll have my Sundays back next year :cool:

[DragonTails]

I thought winning money would help but GD this ruined my day and week. I don't even give a fk about next week.

And they put the steelers in the playoffs. that just makes it worse. I so hope for a tie tonight.

I hope pitt and ne lose by 40 and tb. fu brady.

[Dam8610]

Damn near any QB in the NFL. You obviously haven't been watching the Colts much down the stretch if you're asking that.

Wentz is frustrating often, but there's not exactly an abundance of elite QB talent in the NFL. The best available option at the position is currently on a division rival and who knows when the NFL would allow him to play next, but they're still asking a king's ransom for him. The next best option is coming off an injury riddled season that saw a sharp decline in performance and his team has already said they won't trade him. The best free agent option has been just as quixotic and frustrating as Wentz throughout his career. And you won't likely find a starter at pick 46 in the draft.

[nate505]

Wentz will be the QB next year
That's unfortunate. I'm already looking forward to the 23/24 season.

[IndyNorm]

Wentz is frustrating often, but there's not exactly an abundance of elite QB talent in the NFL. The best available option at the position is currently on a division rival and who knows when the NFL would allow him to play next, but they're still asking a king's ransom for him. The next best option is coming off an injury riddled season that saw a sharp decline in performance and his team has already said they won't trade him. The best free agent option has been just as quixotic and frustrating as Wentz throughout his career. And you won't likely find a starter at pick 46 in the draft.

It doesn't matter. They'll be better than Wentz. They're not good, but cheap hot dogs are better than dog shit.

How about Tyrod Taylor? At least we might be able to beat the mighty Jagoffs with him.

[CletusPyle]

Damn near any QB in the NFL. You obviously haven't been watching the Colts much down the stretch if you're asking that.

Andy Dalton might be available, at one time this guy was very good but on a very bad team....if the Colts improve the D a little more, and get one more good receiver, the QB just needs to be adequate, but a good game manager and cool under pressure! Considering the Bears have Fields, I believe Dalton could be available for a reasonable price? Might Wentz benefit from a veteran QB presence on the team?

[Lov2fish]

Andy Dalton might be available, at one time this guy was very good but on a very bad team....if the Colts improve the D a little more, and get one more good receiver, the QB just needs to be adequate, but a good game manager and cool under pressure! Considering the Bears have Fields, I believe Dalton could be available for a reasonable price? Might Wentz benefit from a veteran QB presence on the team?

Two soulless gingers on the same team? That would rip a hole in the football universe.

[IndyNorm]

Andy Dalton might be available, at one time this guy was very good but on a very bad team....if the Colts improve the D a little more, and get one more good receiver, the QB just needs to be adequate, but a good game manager and cool under pressure! Considering the Bears have Fields, I believe Dalton could be available for a reasonable price? Might Wentz benefit from a veteran QB presence on the team?

Dalton sucks, but he's better than Wentz. And he's a UFA.

[omahacolt]

What's the better attainable option?

there is a lot of things that can happen to know right now. we will see

[CletusPyle]

Two soulless gingers on the same team? That would rip a hole in the football universe.

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[DragonTails]

Dalton sucks, but he's better than Wentz. And he's a UFA.

Daulton isn't better than Wentz. Daulton is a fkn turd!!!

Wentz was 26 and 6 before today. I don't know what he ended because I stopped watching.

80% of you were in love with Wentz at 9 and 6!

We could do a lot worse!!!!!!!!

Winning fixes everything. They lost so we are doing this.

[Hoopsdoc]

Daulton isn't better than Wentz. Daulton is a fkn turd!!!

Wentz was 26 and 6 before today. I don't know what he ended because I stopped watching.

80% of you were in love with Wentz at 9 and 6!

We could do a lot worse!!!!!!!!

Winning fixes everything. They lost so we are doing this.

It’s become painfully obvious that the Colts won in spite of Wentz, mostly on the legs of Taylor.

I should have known after the 2nd Titans game that Wentz wasn’t the answer. He singlehandedly lost that game.

I’ve never seen a guy who shrinks more in the big moments than Wentz. He just doesn’t have what it takes. Million dollar talent, ten cent head.

[ChaosTheory]

Most likely Ehlinger will have to beat out Wentz for us to move on.

I said it earlier and it's been mentioned... This defensive scheme isn't going to stop anyone, let alone anyone good, without some pass rush that doesn't look like pushing the sled.

When Lawrence was 15/17 I kept thinking back to Brees' 29/30, Minshew's 19/20, Jackson's 37/43, etc... Even Carr last week, aside from two outstanding INTs on D, he still completed something like 83%.

I know it's not the same scheme... But Dungy used to say that the idea was to prevent the big play and give up plays in front of you forcing long drives. Increasing the odds of the QB making a bad throw or the four DL getting home and creating inconvertible down and distance

Well, even young guys nowadays are too good to rely on bad throws during pitch and catch. And our down four don't include Freeney/Mathis or Rice/Sapp.

[Dewey 5]

Not only did the Eagles fleece Ballard they also made the playoffs.

[apballin]

Most likely Ehlinger will have to beat out Wentz for us to move on.

I said it earlier and it's been mentioned... This defensive scheme isn't going to stop anyone, let alone anyone good, without some pass rush that doesn't look like pushing the sled.

When Lawrence was 15/17 I kept thinking back to Brees' 29/30, Minshew's 19/20, Jackson's 37/43, etc... Even Carr last week, aside from two outstanding INTs on D, he still completed something like 83%.

I know it's not the same scheme... But Dungy used to say that the idea was to prevent the big play and give up plays in front of you forcing long drives. Increasing the odds of the QB making a bad throw or the four DL getting home and creating inconvertible down and distance

Well, even young guys nowadays are too good to rely on bad throws during pitch and catch. And our down four don't include Freeney/Mathis or Rice/Sapp.

Scheme ain’t gonna matter when you’re missing 4 starters on defense and your down to practice squad guys playing DB

[CletusPyle]

I'll just leave this here....there is serious talk about ending the Wentz experience!

https://twitter.com/ForTheCOLTure_J/status/1480372059675013121?s=20

[albany ed]

Not only did the Eagles fleece Ballard they also made the playoffs.

AND - they have 3 1st round draft picks. Pretty good. Dump a chump, save cap money and get another 1st rounder.

[CletusPyle]

AND - they have 3 1st round draft picks. Pretty good. Dump a chump, save cap money and get another 1st rounder.

Trent Richardson 2.0....didn't that get Grigson fired?

[ChaosTheory]

Scheme ain’t gonna matter when you’re missing 4 starters on defense and your down to practice squad guys playing DB

That's true. And Kenny Chesney was forced to play against BAL when Jackson went off and we lost. To be fair, I'm actually not against this kind of scheme.

My ultimate point is these kinds of schemes tend to require non-blitzing pressure which we don't possess. And my perception at least, is that we too often make QBs look better than they are. Maybe I'm wrong.

I go back and watch random Colts games from the 2000's from time to time and the pass-rush on those teams is jarring in comparison.

[Drewtone]

Trent Richardson 2.0....didn't that get Grigson fired?

Not nearly as quickly as it should have.

[HoosierinFL]

I'll just leave this here....there is serious talk about ending the Wentz experience!

https://twitter.com/ForTheCOLTure_J/status/1480372059675013121?s=20

That would be great, but who is that guy and who does he know, or is he just someone trying to get clicks?

Also, even if true, people will calm down in the coming weeks and minds can change when that happens.

[ChoppedWood]

I'll just leave this here....there is serious talk about ending the Wentz experience!

https://twitter.com/ForTheCOLTure_J/status/1480372059675013121?s=20

I wish, but Frank is his cushion, so long as Frank is here; "yeah you know Chris I hear what you are saying but I also him every single day in practice and let me tell you he can throw it with the best of them. Remember that TD to Patmon in the back of the end zone, that's Carson, that's Carson. I think if we just, well if you just let me work with him a little more, I really think Carson could be in the PB next year, probably MVP even. He is that good Chris. Jim, I know you love this guy's character too, you've seen him out at the food bank, that's a good guy, and he just had a baby, and ya know he had that Covid thing, so he's had a lot going on. Plus he played through those ankle injuries for us, he's a real warrior out there. So my vote is we keep him, give him another shot. Next year, I swear to God I will not have a stretch where I have him throw it 26 times straight. I won't do that, that was stupid. If you let me have him again this year, in game 3, I will have him throw it on every play- yes, all of them, because the defensive coordinator won't expect that and I am smart so yeah".

[Colts And Orioles]

Not only did the Eagles fleece Ballard, they also made the playoffs.




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They made the playoffs, but they got their asses handed to them for the 2nd time this season by the Cowboys, and they wound up having an identical record as the Colts (9-8.)

If the Colts had gotten into the playoffs after yesterday's loss (and it nearly happened, as the Steelers and the Ravens almost finished their game in a tie), I suspect that the vast majority of Colts fans would not be particularly proud of their qualifying after the back-to-back losses that they sustained to end the regular season.

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[CletusPyle]

That would be great, but who is that guy and who does he know, or is he just someone trying to get clicks?

Also, even if true, people will calm down in the coming weeks and minds can change when that happens.

Yeah, I don't know him either but he does seem legit, at least he has some sports credentials.

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[MeSayDayo]

There is really a vast number of things that this team needs to do to stay afloat. Before I address those things, a few points about the season:

1) I have said since week 3 that Frank needs to relinquish his play calling duties. He called a few nice games but overall really fucked this team over as a whole by his stubborn, bone-headed, predictably unpredictable play calling. By seasons end, this become SO obvious.

2)We should have made the smart decision while we had the chance/excuse to do so....we Should have opened this season with Wentz on IR. He was injured. If we had done that, we could have also sat him for the week he got COVID and we would have had our top 20 pick back, insured ourselves against the (inevitable) chance that Wentz turned out to be the turd he is, and also saved face in regards to the optics of sitting Wentz for a legitimate reason. Shit we lost the first 4 games anyway.

3)Our receiving targets are shit. Pittman is a solid WR2. We need a WR1, WR3, TE 1 AND TE2.

4)We need 2 solid corners and a pass rusher on D, maybe 2. And a more aggressive scheme. that's about it.

In my view, and literally the only thing that can assist to helping us out of this mess, is:

TRADE BIG Q! TRADE BIG Q! Use the money elsewhere for his contract, attain likely a first rounder, and have Chris Reid take his spot.

I love Q, but he is expendable and we have proven to be okay without him in the lineup. Literally the only guy right now that might score us a high pick back.

We also MUST bring in a veteran QB to compete for the starter spot next year ALA Dalton, Minshew, etc.

Free Agents that I would try and bring in are:
Winston, Foles, Mariota, Trubisky. All somewhat young and could possibly pull a Tannehill and re emerge.

[WaynesWorld87]

Unfortunately you're probably right. Oh well, at least I'll have my Sundays back next year :cool:
I "got my Sunday back" yesterday. Didn't watch the game, didn't have a drop of beer all day (typically start beer drinking early on Sundays during football season), spent a couple of hours working to get ready for the work week, sat down and had nice, big dinner with the wife and kids, and was in bed and asleep at 8:30.

Woke up at 4:30 this morning after a very restful 8-hours, and have more energy and exuberance on a Monday morning that I've had in a long time.

Think I may have to "have my Sundays back" more next year during football season. I don't see the results being much different unless Wentz finally figures out how to be a competent QB and we can develop a pass rush. Same shit, different season this year...a .500-ish team who beats a couple of legit teams, has a few major chokejobs, and a couple of inexcusable losses to bad teams. I'm sure it'll be wash, rinse, and repeat next year as long as Wentz is our QB and we don't upgrade at WR on offense and edge and secondary on defense.

[Hoopsdoc]

There is really a vast number of things that this team needs to do to stay afloat. Before I address those things, a few points about the season:

1) I have said since week 3 that Frank needs to relinquish his play calling duties. He called a few nice games but overall really fucked this team over as a whole by his stubborn, bone-headed, predictably unpredictable play calling. By seasons end, this become SO obvious.

2)We should have made the smart decision while we had the chance/excuse to do so....we Should have opened this season with Wentz on IR. He was injured. If we had done that, we could have also sat him for the week he got COVID and we would have had our top 20 pick back, insured ourselves against the (inevitable) chance that Wentz turned out to be the turd he is, and also saved face in regards to the optics of sitting Wentz for a legitimate reason. Shit we lost the first 4 games anyway.

3)Our receiving targets are shit. Pittman is a solid WR2. We need a WR1, WR3, TE 1 AND TE2.

4)We need 2 solid corners and a pass rusher on D, maybe 2. And a more aggressive scheme. that's about it.

In my view, and literally the only thing that can assist to helping us out of this mess, is:

TRADE BIG Q! TRADE BIG Q! Use the money elsewhere for his contract, attain likely a first rounder, and have Chris Reid take his spot.

I love Q, but he is expendable and we have proven to be okay without him in the lineup. Literally the only guy right now that might score us a high pick back.

We also MUST bring in a veteran QB to compete for the starter spot next year ALA Dalton, Minshew, etc.

Free Agents that I would try and bring in are:
Winston, Foles, Mariota, Trubisky. All somewhat young and could possibly pull a Tannehill and re emerge.

That turd Glowinski is a free agent and they’re idiots if they resign him. He’s been the weak link on the line since he’s been here. They need to put Reed there and sign/draft someone to compete with him for the job.

Trading Nelson is never gonna happen.

[CletusPyle]

2)We should have made the smart decision while we had the chance/excuse to do so....we Should have opened this season with Wentz on IR. He was injured. If we had done that, we could have also sat him for the week he got COVID and we would have had our top 20 pick back, insured ourselves against the (inevitable) chance that Wentz turned out to be the turd he is, and also saved face in regards to the optics of sitting Wentz for a legitimate reason. Shit we lost the first 4 games anyway.



We also MUST bring in a veteran QB to compete for the starter spot next year ALA Dalton, Minshew, etc.

Free Agents that I would try and bring in are:
Winston, Foles, Mariota, Trubisky. All somewhat young and could possibly pull a Tannehill and re emerge.

In hindsight, this would have been a brilliant move, not sure it is fair to expect anyone to have done it, not having a better backup QB made it almost impossible to do....I also like bringing in a veteran, and I agree that one of those younger QBs could flourish under the right circumstances!

[HoosierinFL]

That turd Glowinski is a free agent and they’re idiots if they resign him. He’s been the weak link on the line since he’s been here. They need to put Reed there and sign/draft someone to compete with him for the job.

Trading Nelson is never gonna happen.

That seems weird since Glowinski was the highest graded player on the line all year. He's the only one who didn't regress.

[Hoopsdoc]

That seems weird since Glowinski was the highest graded player on the line all year. He's the only one who didn't regress.

I don’t know what kind of grading system they’re using but it’s not good. Glowinski sucked most of the year.

[Drewtone]

Glow was a habitual holder last year, but I thought was improved this year...

[Oldcolt]

The problem isn't going to be cured by trading the best offensive lineman in football for a high draft choice. And Irsay will never trade Nelson.

[MeSayDayo]

I didn't propose that this would cure the wound but it sure would make it hurt less.

I ask you this: With the current construct of this roster, do YOU want to pay an Offensive Guard (As good as Nelson is, generationally good) almost 20 million a year?
Because that is what it will cost to retain him going forward.
OR we can resign Glowinski for 2 years and Reid for 2 or 3 years at probably 15 million combined maybe even 10.
Not to mention the fact that we could get a 1st round pick for Q, maybe even more. Think the Eagles would give up Minshew and a 1st for Nelson? I do. And I think out team would be better off for it.

The extra 10 million that we save could be spent on a corner, on a WR, or a TE. Or dare I say an extra Veteran QB like Mariota, Trubisky or Winston? We need someone to compete with Wentz to be the starter. Someone that is young with some upside.

[Oldcolt]

I didn't propose that this would cure the wound but it sure would make it hurt less.

I ask you this: With the current construct of this roster, do YOU want to pay an Offensive Guard (As good as Nelson is, generationally good) almost 20 million a year?
Because that is what it will cost to retain him going forward.
OR we can resign Glowinski for 2 years and Reid for 2 or 3 years at probably 15 million combined maybe even 10.
Not to mention the fact that we could get a 1st round pick for Q, maybe even more. Think the Eagles would give up Minshew and a 1st for Nelson? I do. And I think out team would be better off for it.

The extra 10 million that we save could be spent on a corner, on a WR, or a TE. Or dare I say an extra Veteran QB like Mariota, Trubisky or Winston? We need someone to compete with Wentz to be the starter. Someone that is young with some upside.

I would rather keep Nelson. Interesting take though. You have tremendous confidence that that first rounder would be a good player. I don't. Even if it was the first pick it still is 50-50 at best.

[MeSayDayo]

I agree, but right now, with our team needs, and lack of a competent QB...we need to pool as many assets as possible. Right now, the 1st round asset and lack of having to pay Nelson going forward is worth more than the chance that the 1st round pick returns with a poor player.
The thing that makes this plan suspect is only the fact that this upcoming draft lacks any QB depth whatsoever.
If Ballard doesn't make a move at QB and FAST he is going to find himself out of a job soon too. Reich hitched his wagon to Wentz and unfortunately will go as he goes, but Ballard has done more to earn himself another year or two to prove a positive trajectory.
Having a 20 million dollar guard who doesn't impact the game too much over a 7 million dollar guard is nonsensical when we have Stormy Daniels sized gaping holes at QB, WR, TE, EDGE, CB.
I want to stress that I love Nelson. He changes a lot of the mentality of our line. But not at his cost and with our needs. The good thing the rest of the league knows him, loves him and would give him a nice haul to get him. I would honestly be on the horn right now with the Eagles to give us a 1st back to us for Q and Minshew....its not like the Eagles don't plan to run the ball, their QB is cheap for a number of years, etc. The relationship with Balllard and their FO is there, we didn't bitch out of the Wentz starting %, etc.
Forgive me for going off on the rails with a hypothetical, but this is literally the only thing going forward that could be a positive for our team to dig ourselves out of the Wentz hole.

[rcubed]

No heads will roll. When irsay extended grigson and pagano, I believe he talked about wanting to establish a consistent and sustained organization. Eventually it got to be too much and he realized they were not the right ones. I am guessing he doesn't feel that way (yet) about ballard and reich. I really dont think ballard is going anywhere soon. Reich is probably set for a bit. They invested too much into wentz trade to release him after this year especially with injury and covid issues. They will all be back next year but I would guess that if wentz doesnt improve then they move off him after next season.

Add: I bet irsay is plenty pissed though, and ballard and reich will be hearing about it. I would love to see some of that on the last hard knocks!

[Chromeburn]

Glow was a habitual holder last year, but I thought was improved this year...

He was injured last year.

[Hoopsdoc]

I didn't propose that this would cure the wound but it sure would make it hurt less.

I ask you this: With the current construct of this roster, do YOU want to pay an Offensive Guard (As good as Nelson is, generationally good) almost 20 million a year?
Because that is what it will cost to retain him going forward.
OR we can resign Glowinski for 2 years and Reid for 2 or 3 years at probably 15 million combined maybe even 10.
Not to mention the fact that we could get a 1st round pick for Q, maybe even more. Think the Eagles would give up Minshew and a 1st for Nelson? I do. And I think out team would be better off for it.

The extra 10 million that we save could be spent on a corner, on a WR, or a TE. Or dare I say an extra Veteran QB like Mariota, Trubisky or Winston? We need someone to compete with Wentz to be the starter. Someone that is young with some upside.

You know, they can resign Q and still do all the things you mentioned. They’ll have the cap space.

And if you’re looking to get rid of guys who don’t live up to their pay level, I’d suggest you start with the highest paid player on the team, Carson Wentz. He actually sucks.

Trading generational players for draft picks is never a good idea, for a million different reasons.

[Chromeburn]

We are stuck with Wentz for another year. Unfortunately I think that is the reality unless Irsay says dump him no matter the cost.

With that in mind I think LT is the top priority. The engine of this team is the offensive line, and the engine of the offensive line is LT. The line fell apart every time the LT play was bad. Either draft or find a competent LT. Still shaking my head of going for an injured Fisher and not Leno.

Next is WR. They need a free agent and a draft pick. Guys that run good routes and can create separation. Wentz can’t throw into tight windows consistently, they need guys that can get open. The routes I saw yesterday were rounded off and lazy. Need some quality here.

Yet again, DE. Like I said at the beginning of the season this is still an issue. If you can’t pressure the QB in 3 seconds your defense won’t work. Invest in a speed rusher and put him on the team. Paye and Dayo show promise, but we need some more in there, can’t just have them. This will be going on year six of not enough pass rush.

Finally, an athletic TE. Doyle will likely retire. Need someone to run those seam routes and who can catch. Wentz loves to throw to the TE in the seam, so giving him another option might make him open up his check downs.


As for Nelson, you don’t trade an all pro for picks. You need more talent not less. The chance you draft someone as impactful is pretty low. If you didn’t intend to pay him, then you should not have drafted him.

[MeSayDayo]

You know, they can resign Q and still do all the things you mentioned. They’ll have the cap space.

And if you’re looking to get rid of guys who don’t live up to their pay level, I’d suggest you start with the highest paid player on the team, Carson Wentz. He actually sucks.

Trading generational players for draft picks is never a good idea, for a million different reasons.

But I really think I am making a case for the one in a million reasons that it may be a good idea. It's not the player, its the position. Would our team really be worse off than it currently is without Big Q?
Big Q with his contract vs No Big Q, No big Money to a guard, and an extra pick or two to work with?
Seems like a no brainer to me.
If Q played LT I may think differently. If Q played QB or EDGE or even WR OR CB, I would just pay him.
We have solid OL, solid depth and an all Pro RB. We will be just fine without paying Q 20 million to be a guard.

That may even give us just enough fire power to trade up in the next two drafts! Just because we can afford to pay Q what he is worth doesn't mean it is the best move for this franchise. Sorta like having to let Manning go. Makes sense for everyone involved. Besides, Q is starting to show a few signs of wear in tear.....while his value is at its highest, cash in...since we just pissed a few dollars down the drain with Wentz. We have a bandaid here and we should use it. just my two cents

[njcoltfan]

No heads will roll. When irsay extended grigson and pagano, I believe he talked about wanting to establish a consistent and sustained organization. Eventually it got to be too much and he realized they were not the right ones. I am guessing he doesn't feel that way (yet) about ballard and reich. I really dont think ballard is going anywhere soon. Reich is probably set for a bit. They invested too much into wentz trade to release him after this year especially with injury and covid issues. They will all be back next year but I would guess that if wentz doesnt improve then they move off him after next season.

Add: I bet irsay is plenty pissed though, and ballard and reich will be hearing about it. I would love to see some of that on the last hard knocks!
So what your saying is that after next season the Colts will start over again! Can anyone in this can base tell me when the HELL the Colts stop with this fucking around with fuckin players that are almost good enough, and start the multiple championships run??

[Brylok]

So what your saying is that after next season the Colts will start over again! Can anyone in this can base tell me when the HELL the Colts stop with this fucking around with fuckin players that are almost good enough, and start the multiple championships run??
Unfortunately, those days might be gone. Most all of the former success was Bill Polian's doing. Ballard is a good GM, but he isn't Polian level. We might be in purgatory for another decade.

[Spike]

But I really think I am making a case for the one in a million reasons that it may be a good idea. It's not the player, its the position. Would our team really be worse off than it currently is without Big Q?
Big Q with his contract vs No Big Q, No big Money to a guard, and an extra pick or two to work with?
Seems like a no brainer to me.
If Q played LT I may think differently. If Q played QB or EDGE or even WR OR CB, I would just pay him.
We have solid OL, solid depth and an all Pro RB. We will be just fine without paying Q 20 million to be a guard.

That may even give us just enough fire power to trade up in the next two drafts! Just because we can afford to pay Q what he is worth doesn't mean it is the best move for this franchise. Sorta like having to let Manning go. Makes sense for everyone involved. Besides, Q is starting to show a few signs of wear in tear.....while his value is at its highest, cash in...since we just pissed a few dollars down the drain with Wentz. We have a bandaid here and we should use it. just my two cents

NO, just no. You do not get rid of Q. He is the heart and soul of this offensive line. He's the beast that nobody wants to face. Pay the man, he is worth it. Not willing to trade a proven all pro for some draft picks that may not even pan out. Having said that, I would trade Wentz for a combo meal at KFC. I was so fucking wrong about Wentz. He just fucking sucks. What was Wentz's QBR yesterday, around 4? He is a warrior, but he is not a good QB. I think the whole team knows that. He's no Peyton Manning or Andrew Luck which I didn't expect. But hell, he's not even as good as an old Philip Rivers, not even close.

[Hoopsdoc]

But I really think I am making a case for the one in a million reasons that it may be a good idea. It's not the player, its the position. Would our team really be worse off than it currently is without Big Q?
Big Q with his contract vs No Big Q, No big Money to a guard, and an extra pick or two to work with?
Seems like a no brainer to me.
If Q played LT I may think differently. If Q played QB or EDGE or even WR OR CB, I would just pay him.
We have solid OL, solid depth and an all Pro RB. We will be just fine without paying Q 20 million to be a guard.

That may even give us just enough fire power to trade up in the next two drafts! Just because we can afford to pay Q what he is worth doesn't mean it is the best move for this franchise. Sorta like having to let Manning go. Makes sense for everyone involved. Besides, Q is starting to show a few signs of wear in tear.....while his value is at its highest, cash in...since we just pissed a few dollars down the drain with Wentz. We have a bandaid here and we should use it. just my two cents

Q is a damn good player and a respected leader in the locker room. You don’t just get rid of a guy like that for some college kid who may not even be any good. This isn’t Madden. These are real people we’re talking about. People who have relationships among themselves, who have built relationships. As far as I know, Q is one of the most respected guys on the team. You can’t just ship a guy like that out and not realize the effect it will have on the team.

It’s not as simple as you make it seem.

[Kray007]

For me, it’s tough to knock Frank Reich’s play calling.

[rcubed]

So what your saying is that after next season the Colts will start over again!

Quite possibly. Why does this surprise you.


Can anyone in this can base tell me when the HELL the Colts stop with this fucking around with fuckin players that are almost good enough

Nope. That's on ballard.


and start the multiple championships run??

I dont see this happening. Too hard. Only one under manning. Rodgers only has one. Multiple championship runs just dont really happen (outside of NE unfortunately)

[MeSayDayo]

Q is a damn good player and a respected leader in the locker room. You don’t just get rid of a guy like that for some college kid who may not even be any good. This isn’t Madden. These are real people we’re talking about. People who have relationships among themselves, who have built relationships. As far as I know, Q is one of the most respected guys on the team. You can’t just ship a guy like that out and not realize the effect it will have on the team.

It’s not as simple as you make it seem.

We did to Peyton Manning, who was more beloved by the fans and more respected in any lock room he stepped foot in.
More so than Q will ever be.
Manning was moved for a guy (Luck) who hadn't proven jack at the pro level either.

Sometimes you need to make hard decisions for the better of the overall team. That is my point. You're right, not as simple as I make it seems, but business decisions often aren't.

[rcubed]

We did to Peyton Manning, who was more beloved by the fans and more respected in any lock room he stepped foot in.
More so than Q will ever be.
Manning was moved for a guy (Luck) who hadn't proven jack at the pro level either.

Sometimes you need to make hard decisions for the better of the overall team. That is my point. You're right, not as simple as I make it seems, but business decisions often aren't.
there was a lot more to it than that.

[Dewey 5]

I'll just leave this here....there is serious talk about ending the Wentz experience!

https://twitter.com/ForTheCOLTure_J/status/1480372059675013121?s=20

I believe when I see it. Right now bunch of hot air.

[Chromeburn]

Dudes! TY liked this post by Darius Butler.

Tells us all we need to know. Wentz has to go. If this is the attitude by one of the captains. Team is talking, you have to get rid of him now. If he starts the season and it is another wasted year, everyone will revolt. Rip the bandaid off.

https://twitter.com/lockedoncolts/status/1480391069007114243?s=21

[Racehorse]

I don't remember who said we had to fix LT, or who suggested trading Q, but what if Q were to be moved to LT? I saw this suggested elsewhere, and it could solve the problem of paying Q and fixing LT. Reed can play LG.

[ChaosTheory]

We did to Peyton Manning, who was more beloved by the fans and more respected in any lock room he stepped foot in.
More so than Q will ever be.
Manning was moved for a guy (Luck) who hadn't proven jack at the pro level either.

Sometimes you need to make hard decisions for the better of the overall team. That is my point. You're right, not as simple as I make it seems, but business decisions often aren't.

There's likely one possible scenario in the universe in which the Colts part with Manning after 13 seasons... It just so happened that the one scenario actually occurred.

Broke neck Manning with a few years left vs. dream prospect that literally checks every single box there is and that you expect to have for 15 years.

Not the same ballpark as arguably the best OL in the league in his prime being traded for a 50/50 shot at a good player.

[Dewey 5]

Dudes! TY liked this post by Darius Butler.

Tells us all we need to know. Wentz has to go. If this is the attitude by one of the captains. Team is talking, you have to get rid of him now. If he starts the season and it is another wasted year, everyone will revolt. Rip the bandaid off.

https://twitter.com/lockedoncolts/status/1480391069007114243?s=21

He liked because Luck is his guy.

[Brylok]

Dudes! TY liked this post by Darius Butler.

Tells us all we need to know. Wentz has to go. If this is the attitude by one of the captains. Team is talking, you have to get rid of him now. If he starts the season and it is another wasted year, everyone will revolt. Rip the bandaid off.

https://twitter.com/lockedoncolts/status/1480391069007114243?s=21

Players know who's good and who isn't.

[IndyNorm]

Great discussion by all. Here are my thoughts on some of the things discussed:

Ballard and Reich aren't going anywhere and we're stuck with Wentz for at least 1 more year - Unfortunately that's what will probably happen. Hopefully that shit show yesterday will drive us to improve the backup QB situation and put some heat on Ballard and Reich to where they know if their team pulls this shit again then they're gone.

Trading Big Q - Actually not a bad idea if we could get a haul for him and be able to draft Kenny Pickett or an elite pass rusher along with multiple other picks. Probably wouldn't happen, but it's a good idea. After all yesterday proved that having an elite LG doesn't mean shit if your QB sucks ass.

Moving Big Q to LT - Also a good idea. We'll be paying Q like he's an elite LT, so why not see if he can make the move over there. Especially if Wentz is still around next year since it will be pretty much a throw away year.

[rcubed]

Am I the only one that doesn’t think we would get some huge haul trading Q?

[IndyNorm]

There's likely one possible scenario in the universe in which the Colts part with Manning after 13 seasons... It just so happened that the one scenario actually occurred.

Broke neck Manning with a few years left vs. dream prospect that literally checks every single box there is and that you expect to have for 15 years.

Not the same ballpark as arguably the best OL in the league in his prime being traded for a 50/50 shot at a good player.

On top of that there weren't any guarantees that Peyton would be able to play again post neck surgery. Maybe one day we'll get the whole story, but there was a lot of talk at the time that he could only throw the ball ~10 yards when we released him. If that's true then releasing Peyton and drafting Luck was the safer option.

[IndyNorm]

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2022/01/09/colts-loss-jaguars-worst-season-finale-nfl-history/9151689002/

Article at IndyStar where they compare some other last week choke jobs to the shit show of yesterday. The other games listed:

'08 Bucs lose to 4-11 Raiders 31-24.
'06 Broncos lose to 6-9 49ers 26-23 in OT.
'00 Lions lose to the 4-11 Bears 23-20.

The Colts getting curb stomped by the Jagoffs is easily much worse than any of those losses.

[IndyNorm]

Am I the only one that doesn’t think we would get some huge haul trading Q?

If we don't get a haul then don't trade him, but why not float it out there to see if we can?

[CletusPyle]

https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nfl/colts/2022/01/09/colts-loss-jaguars-worst-season-finale-nfl-history/9151689002/

Article at IndyStar where they compare some other last week choke jobs to the shit show of yesterday. The other games listed:

'08 Bucs lose to 4-11 Raiders 31-24.
'06 Broncos lose to 6-9 49ers 26-23 in OT.
'00 Lions lose to the 4-11 Bears 23-20.

The Colts getting curb stomped by the Jagoffs is easily much worse than any of those losses.

I hope the Lions draft the player the Jagoffs want the most, although they will never admit it!:D

[IndyNorm]

I hope the Lions draft the player the Jagoffs want the most, although they will never admit it!:D

Actually the Jagoffs still ended up with the number 1 pick :rolleyes:

[CletusPyle]

Actually the Jagoffs still ended up with the number 1 pick :rolleyes:

D`oh!

[Discflinger]

When Jhon Priine died we all did

[MeSayDayo]

If we don't get a haul then don't trade him, but why not float it out there to see if we can?

I would hope that Ballard is looking at every option right now because indeed he is between a Rock (ironically he needs to make a decision on Rock too) and a hard place.

I think Kelly would also be an obvious choice to try and move, but I don't think the haul for an aging, oft injured (albeit talented) center would be enough to make it happen.
I still think we get a 1st round pick (later half of the first round) and maybe another pick or a player if a team wants Nelson. I would hope we then use that first round pick, trade it, and load up our arsenal for the 2023 draft where they may be a first round QB we like and our first that year is better after Wentz flames out and we let him walk.
If we know we are stuck with Wentz for another year, and there is nobody better available until the draft that can be obtained for cheap...then load up for the year after and try to keep the roster young.

[njcoltfan]

Great discussion by all. Here are my thoughts on some of the things discussed:

Ballard and Reich aren't going anywhere and we're stuck with Wentz for at least 1 more year - Unfortunately that's what will probably happen. Hopefully that shit show yesterday will drive us to improve the backup QB situation and put some heat on Ballard and Reich to where they know if their team pulls this shit again then they're gone.

Trading Big Q - Actually not a bad idea if we could get a haul for him and be able to draft Kenny Pickett or an elite pass rusher along with multiple other picks. Probably wouldn't happen, but it's a good idea. After all yesterday proved that having an elite LG doesn't mean shit if your QB sucks ass.

Moving Big Q to LT - Also a good idea. We'll be paying Q like he's an elite LT, so why not see if he can make the move over there. Especially if Wentz is still around next year since it will be pretty much a throw away year.

Every year since Luck "retired" has been a throw away year !! Its time Irsay stopped buying dead rock stars guitars for millions, and started worrying about the direction the Colts are headed in !!

[rcubed]

Quote from irsay:

“One thing that’s clear is changes need to be made,’’ Irsay told Fox59 on Monday evening. “And they will be made. We also realize we have to do it cautiously and with a thorough evaluation and full discussion in a calm environment. It’s not an emotional thing at all. It’s about evaluating the whole program and clearly changes need to be made.’’

Assistant Coaches?
Wentz?
FA philosophy?
Team building philosophy?

[Chromeburn]

We did to Peyton Manning, who was more beloved by the fans and more respected in any lock room he stepped foot in.
More so than Q will ever be.
Manning was moved for a guy (Luck) who hadn't proven jack at the pro level either.

Sometimes you need to make hard decisions for the better of the overall team. That is my point. You're right, not as simple as I make it seems, but business decisions often aren't.

Manning told the Colts to do it. It was the smart move. At that point they weren’t even sure he would play again. It was all optimism at best.

[JAFF]

If we don't get a haul then don't trade him, but why not float it out there to see if we can?

He’s john hannah. You dont trade a guy who could be a HOF er, you build AROUND them.

[Chromeburn]

Quote from irsay:

“One thing that’s clear is changes need to be made,’’ Irsay told Fox59 on Monday evening. “And they will be made. We also realize we have to do it cautiously and with a thorough evaluation and full discussion in a calm environment. It’s not an emotional thing at all. It’s about evaluating the whole program and clearly changes need to be made.’’

Assistant Coaches?
Wentz?
FA philosophy?
Team building philosophy?

I’m getting tired of the ten year build. We are going into this off-season with the same issues of last off season. I think building through the draft is the right way. But if you only do it, including busts, by the time you fill all your holes, your good picks at the beginning of the process will be in the twilight of their careers.

Eberflus’ maddening decisions in coverage theory.

I know options are limited next year concerning QB. And it is a bad QB draft. But going into another year with Wentz seems like another year of just embracing mediocrity.

https://www.1075thefan.com/kevins-sports-news/colts/nine-colts-offseason-storylines-for-2022/

[Racehorse]

Eberflus’ maddening decisions in coverage theory.



This is the change I want to see. His ideas don't work. He has not used a blitz when needed, except for a few times. Lawrence was as good a candidate for a blitz or two early on, and they were not even an option. Good riddance, if he goes.

And this is not just a knee jerk. I have been his biggest critic for some time.

[Chromeburn]

This is the change I want to see. His ideas don't work. He has not used a blitz when needed, except for a few times. Lawrence was as good a candidate for a blitz or two early on, and they were not even an option. Good riddance, if he goes.

And this is not just a knee jerk. I have been his biggest critic for some time.

Jags were playing an effective zone in the last game blanketing routes with a defender near every receiver. Their dline was beating one-on-one matchups. I just don't know why we can't do the same?

[rcubed]

I’m getting tired of the ten year build. We are going into this off-season with the same issues of last off season. I think building through the draft is the right way. But if you only do it, including busts, by the time you fill all your holes, your good picks at the beginning of the process will be in the twilight of their careers.

Eberflus’ maddening decisions in coverage theory.

I know options are limited next year concerning QB. And it is a bad QB draft. But going into another year with Wentz seems like another year of just embracing mediocrity.

https://www.1075thefan.com/kevins-sports-news/colts/nine-colts-offseason-storylines-for-2022/
agree. we built a good core now take some leaps so we can compete.

[Hoopsdoc]

Quote from irsay:

“One thing that’s clear is changes need to be made,’’ Irsay told Fox59 on Monday evening. “And they will be made. We also realize we have to do it cautiously and with a thorough evaluation and full discussion in a calm environment. It’s not an emotional thing at all. It’s about evaluating the whole program and clearly changes need to be made.’’

Assistant Coaches?
Wentz?
FA philosophy?
Team building philosophy?

The fact that Reich wouldn’t commit to Wentz going forward tells me that they’re gonna be looking for yet another quarterback for next season. I’m guessing that was a big part of the meeting between Irsay, Ballard, and Reich Sunday evening.

[Chromeburn]

The fact that Reich wouldn’t commit to Wentz going forward tells me that they’re gonna be looking for yet another quarterback for next season. I’m guessing that was a big part of the meeting between Irsay, Ballard, and Reich Sunday evening.

Which is weird considering at the same time last year he said he was fully committed to Rivers. But these comments seem a lot like his comments after a year of Jacoby.

[Puck]

Ballards going to do his on Thursday. We'll see what he has to say

[apballin]

Jeff Saturday said “colts need to move on from Wentz”

[omahacolt]

I don’t know what kind of grading system they’re using but it’s not good. Glowinski sucked most of the year.

in comparison to what?

glowinski wasn't terrible. he didn't suck

[omahacolt]

I don't remember who said we had to fix LT, or who suggested trading Q, but what if Q were to be moved to LT? I saw this suggested elsewhere, and it could solve the problem of paying Q and fixing LT. Reed can play LG.

they aren't moving q to lt. which is why we should probably trade him

[omahacolt]

Every year since Luck "retired" has been a throw away year !! Its time Irsay stopped buying dead rock stars guitars for millions, and started worrying about the direction the Colts are headed in !!

this is a retarded take

[Oldcolt]

they aren't moving q to lt. which is why we should probably trade him

THAT is a retarded take. (not the move him, the trade him)

[Puck]

THAT is a retarded take. (not the move him, the trade him)

They are not going to do either. Ballard basically laughed at anyone that thought he should be moved to LT. And I agree.

[JAFF]

How about moving Smith?

[Spike]

How about moving Smith?

So then we don't have a LT or RT. That should work well.

[Racehorse]

So then we don't have a LT or RT. That should work well.

I think he meant moving Smith to LT, but with Jaff, who knows.

[Spike]

I think he meant moving Smith to LT, but with Jaff, who knows.

Yeah, you're right. I read it wrong.

[JAFF]

So then we don't have a LT or RT. That should work well.

Finding are RT is easier than a LT. Where did we find Smith?

[Spike]

Finding are RT is easier than a LT. Where did we find Smith?

Well, I guess the powers that be don't think that Smith would be a good LT. Otherwise, they probably would have done that this past season.

[Brylok]

they aren't moving q to lt. which is why we should probably trade him

This is the hard truth, but we won't do it. Ballard called him a hall of famer yesterday. He's great, but not for $22M per year.

[Hoopsdoc]

Some more cryptic comments from Irsay today about being all in or don’t enter the building. Also apologized again.

I can’t help but think that major changes are coming. More than likely at quarterback but with Jimmy, you never really know.

All I know is, the man is pissed. And the fact that Frank and Ballard still have jobs means they agreed to make the changes Jim feels are necessary.

[ChaosTheory]

Some more cryptic comments from Irsay today about being all in or don’t enter the building. Also apologized again.

I can’t help but think that major changes are coming. More than likely at quarterback but with Jimmy, you never really know.

All I know is, the man is pissed. And the fact that Frank and Ballard still have jobs means they agreed to make the changes Jim feels are necessary.

Does this Jason Spears guy on the For the Colture podcast have a reputation? Claims to have inside sources, but I don't know.

From what he said, all three heads are done with Wentz unless there's just nothing else out there. Irsay allegedly never wanted him but doesn't like to meddle. He was super pissed, though, and he's ready to just eat Wentz's contract.

Or does this guy just talk?

[Discflinger]

Shit thread indeed. Mostly because of a shit team. Buck needs to take over this team in the locker room.

[omahacolt]

Does this Jason Spears guy on the For the Colture podcast have a reputation? Claims to have inside sources, but I don't know.

From what he said, all three heads are done with Wentz unless there's just nothing else out there. Irsay allegedly never wanted him but doesn't like to meddle. He was super pissed, though, and he's ready to just eat Wentz's contract.

Or does this guy just talk?

i don't know what sources that spears guy has. i assume he has someone telling him stuff since he did get the drop on some coaching hires if i remember right.

that said, it was clear to me how they used wentz late in the season what they thought of his ability to perform in the system. and hearing how some of the beat writers are saying it, it is very likely wentz is gone.

[apballin]

I’m guessing coming into last year all 3 had a different QB they wanted and Ballard and Irsay were sold by Reich on his boy

We know Ballard liked Love

Now the question is who does Irsay want because something tells me he’s intervening here

Who’s an upgrade? Can Reich work with a veteran QB that might take some playcalling away from Reich?

Honestly if it’s not Rodgers or Wilson are we upgrading?

All we need is a game manager that doesn’t make the stupid mistake, Wentz didn’t throw a lot of picks but he had a lot of costly game changing turnovers fumbles and INT

[Puck]

I’m guessing coming into last year all 3 had a different QB they wanted and Ballard and Irsay were sold by Reich on his boy

We know Ballard liked Love

Now the question is who does Irsay want because something tells me he’s intervening here

Who’s an upgrade? Can Reich work with a veteran QB that might take some playcalling away from Reich?

Honestly if it’s not Rodgers or Wilson are we upgrading?

All we need is a game manager that doesn’t make the stupid mistake, Wentz didn’t throw a lot of picks but he had a lot of costly game changing turnovers fumbles and INT

He had Luck and Rivers. And they both changed the plays mostly correctly

Derek Carr would be a great option. And although pricey not near what Rogers would be and once again FUCK WILSON!!!

[Lov2fish]

He had Luck and Rivers. And they both changed the plays mostly correctly

Derek Carr would be a great option. And although pricey not near what Rogers would be and once again FUCK WILSON!!!

I would roll with Sam before I brought in Wilson. Fuck that selfish dude. I wouldn't mind Carr being our QB. Dude is underrated considering some of the shitty Raider teams he has played on.

[apballin]

What’s the deal with Wilson?

I’d take a Wilson / Taylor combo any day

[ChaosTheory]

I wouldn't mind Carr being our QB.

I can't remember why there was talk about him leaving LV last year. Was it him? Was it Gruden? I just remember wanting him here less than Stafford but more than Wentz.

And yeah, what's with Wilson?

[Racehorse]

He had Luck and Rivers. And they both changed the plays mostly correctly

Derek Carr would be a great option. And although pricey not near what Rogers would be and once again FUCK WILSON!!!

I like Carr, but is he going to be available?

[CletusPyle]

I like Carr, but is he going to be available?

I'd be surprised if he will be...but he would be a perfect fit for this offense!

[Puck]

All I can say is look at Allen before and after Diggs.

Diggs is phenomenal

[CletusPyle]

All I can say is look at Allen before and after Diggs.

Diggs is phenomenal

I've never seen Allen have a better game than he is having tonight....guy can't miss, he is dropping in some amazing passes!

[Puck]

i've never seen allen have a better game than he is having tonight....guy can't miss, he is dropping in some amazing passes!

its a boat race!!!!!!!

[rcubed]

I guess Brian Baker is the first


Mike Chappell
@mchappell51
Can confirm Colts not retaining d-line coach Brian Baker. @zkeefer, @HolderStephen had it first, i believe.

[Brylok]

Eberflus is the second. He's going to the Bears per Keefer.
I hope that isn't a mistake, letting him go. The Colts are sort of a mess right now.

[rcubed]

Kind of hard not to let a guy go when its a upward move. Isnt that generally the way teams handle these things, you dont block a coach from moving up?

[Discflinger]

If they did no one would want to work for them again.

[Oldcolt]

It is a sign of what other professionals in the NFL think of Reich. Great young coaches will want to work for him because it provides an opportunity for advancement. This is nothing but good for the Colts, one of the few things going right for us at the moment.

[Hoopsdoc]

Holder and Keefer on their latest podcast still think it’s more likely than not that Wentz returns next year. But I get the feeling they think that only because there’s really nothing else out there.

I don’t know if I can stand another year of knucklehead Wentz. That guy is the most maddening player I’ve ever watched.

[Discflinger]

Get used to it. Yeah I hated seeing him just throwing off foot backsliding in practice instead of setting and digging in. It’s his style and it obviously doesn’t work.

[ChaosTheory]

Holder and Keefer on their latest podcast still think it’s more likely than not that Wentz returns next year. But I get the feeling they think that only because there’s really nothing else out there.

I don’t know if I can stand another year of knucklehead Wentz. That guy is the most maddening player I’ve ever watched.

Odds are that's correct. There's a bunch of guys that aren't an (obvious) upgrade over Wentz. Why bother? Take a chance on a full off-season making some improvement.

And the worthwhile guys are going to require some serious moves. SEA wanted three 1st rounders for Wilson last year.