Wentz was not the problem

[Kray007]

Don’t get me wrong. He wasn’t grear. I get it. I have eyes.

But, going in, we all knew the deal with the guy. Give him solid pass blocking and a clean pocket with time to throw, and he’s gonna be more than solid. But, if you let opposing defenses ratchet up the pressure, he’s gonna look like Tom Brady trying to figure things out versus the Giants in Super Bowl 57.

The numbers should be easy to understand. According to PFF, Wentz attempted 27 passes. On 25 of those, the Raiders got pressure. That’s far too many.

A lot of the problems can be attributed to Covid. Nelson, Glowinski and Smith were all dealing with the disease. Eric Fisher was out with injuries, and Ryan Kelly was dealing with something you wouldn’t wish on your worst enemy. The impact on play was obvious.

Not only did Wentz not have time to throw, but Receivers didn’t have time to run their routes and gain separation. While he wasn’t shut down, Jonathan Taylor didn’t have the kind of holes we’ve seen all season, and don’t get me started on the shoestring tackles. There were a season’s worth in one game. It makes me believe that, on a lot of plays, the blocking was just a little off

But, worst of all were the penalties. Illegal proceedure on Smith, holding on Smith, holding on Pryor, holding on Kelly. At least two of them aborted promising drives, and one shoved us back out of FG range.

And, finally, I think that we don’t give Wentz anywhere enough credit for the magic he works with his legs. He can be a magician at getting away from pressure; and, yesterday, he avoided 3 or 4 sacks.

[YDFL Commish]

Don’t get me wrong. He wasn’t grear. I get it. I have eyes.

But, going in, we all knew the deal with the guy. Give him solid pass blocking and a clean pocket with time to throw, and he’s gonna be more than solid. But, if you let opposing defenses ratchet up the pressure, he’s gonna look like Tom Brady trying to figure things out versus the Giants in Super Bowl 57.

The numbers should be easy to understand. According to PFF, Wentz attempted 27 passes. On 25 of those, the Raiders got pressure. That’s far too many.

A lot of the problems can be attributed to Covid. Nelson, Glowinski and Smith were all dealing with the disease. Eric Fisher was out with injuries, and Ryan Kelly was dealing with something you wouldn’t wish on your worst enemy. The impact on play was obvious.

Not only did Wentz not have time to throw, but Receivers didn’t have time to run their routes and gain separation. While he wasn’t shut down, Jonathan Taylor didn’t have the kind of holes we’ve seen all season, and don’t get me started on the shoestring tackles. There were a season’s worth in one game. It makes me believe that, on a lot of plays, the blocking was just a little off

But, worst of all were the penalties. Illegal proceedure on Smith, holding on Smith, holding on Pryor, holding on Kelly. At least two of them aborted promising drives, and one shoved us back out of FG range.

And, finally, I think that we don’t give Wentz anywhere enough credit for the magic he works with his legs. He can be a magician at getting away from pressure; and, yesterday, he avoided 3 or 4 sacks.

All 3 phases played be!ow par for sure. But Wentz was the worst I've seen a horseshoe QB since Curtis Painter.

[Kray007]

It’s impossible to play well when your OL is crumbling around you every time you take a snap

[ChaosTheory]

I'll almost never credit/blame a single player for team wins/losses. Especially not football. He was bad, though. Not to absolve the rest of the offense.

This was another of those games where the defense seemed to live and die by the turnover on a drive-to-drive basis. That's how it felt live at least.

And we got wrecked on special teams which fortunately is rare

Whole team lacked focus it seems. Hopefully it boils down to a weird week of preparation and they move on.

[bigalbert]

I dunno Kray. I think Wentz was terrible but you’re gonna have games like that and good QB’s make something happen. You can put it on the oline but I’d like to bring up another point. I watched Aaron Sunday night and the packers have plays in their offense where Rodgers just takes the snap and sets his feet and throws. I think you have to put some of the blame on Reich for standing there the whole game watching Wentz get pressured and never changed his play calling. Every team has plays with quick routes and I didn’t see any of that. To be honest all he has to do is hit TY on that one play where he wasn’t pressured and we win the game. He was high all night it seemed to me. And yes penalties were horrific. We miss Doyle badly and I hope our first pic in 2nd next year is TE. I’m done with Cox. Paye is getting better every game too. And what’s with Mack? He’d give us way more than Hines out of the backfield.


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[ChoppedWood]

Don’t get me wrong. He wasn’t grear. I get it. I have eyes.

But, going in, we all knew the deal with the guy. Give him solid pass blocking and a clean pocket with time to throw, and he’s gonna be more than solid. But, if you let opposing defenses ratchet up the pressure, he’s gonna look like Tom Brady trying to figure things out versus the Giants in Super Bowl 57.

The numbers should be easy to understand. According to PFF, Wentz attempted 27 passes. On 25 of those, the Raiders got pressure. That’s far too many.

A lot of the problems can be attributed to Covid. Nelson, Glowinski and Smith were all dealing with the disease. Eric Fisher was out with injuries, and Ryan Kelly was dealing with something you wouldn’t wish on your worst enemy. The impact on play was obvious.

Not only did Wentz not have time to throw, but Receivers didn’t have time to run their routes and gain separation. While he wasn’t shut down, Jonathan Taylor didn’t have the kind of holes we’ve seen all season, and don’t get me started on the shoestring tackles. There were a season’s worth in one game. It makes me believe that, on a lot of plays, the blocking was just a little off

But, worst of all were the penalties. Illegal proceedure on Smith, holding on Smith, holding on Pryor, holding on Kelly. At least two of them aborted promising drives, and one shoved us back out of FG range.

And, finally, I think that we don’t give Wentz anywhere enough credit for the magic he works with his legs. He can be a magician at getting away from pressure; and, yesterday, he avoided 3 or 4 sacks.

This is a good breakdown, and again brings us back to questions about WHAT the hell our global plan is?

We know the WR crew is below average, it doesn't create separation and outside of Pittman there's no physicality to it. Yet it seems we don't have any plays set up for quick across the middle stuff? WHY? Why are we putting him in a position to end up surrounded by 300LB men that are trying to kill him? To me, that's a major coaching flaw as it seems all our routes are long developing complex route tree shit.

[ChoppedWood]

I dunno Kray. I think Wentz was terrible but you’re gonna have games like that and good QB’s make something happen. You can put it on the oline but I’d like to bring up another point. I watched Aaron Sunday night and the packers have plays in their offense where Rodgers just takes the snap and sets his feet and throws. I think you have to put some of the blame on Reich for standing there the whole game watching Wentz get pressured and never changed his play calling. Every team has plays with quick routes and I didn’t see any of that. To be honest all he has to do is hit TY on that one play where he wasn’t pressured and we win the game. He was high all night it seemed to me. And yes penalties were horrific. We miss Doyle badly and I hope our first pic in 2nd next year is TE. I’m done with Cox. Paye is getting better every game too. And what’s with Mack? He’d give us way more than Hines out of the backfield.


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Fantastic post! And if he won't throw on time, as the play is designed, then he is worrying about his INT stats, and if so, send his ass packing because you CANNOT win in this league playing like that!

[DragonTails]

I wish they would use JT out of the backfield more. No one covers him.

How can he only have 1 catch in the last 2 games with all the QB pressure they allowed.

I really don't think this team knows how to run a screen pass with accurate timing.

[ChoppedWood]

I wish they would use JT out of the backfield more. No one covers him.

How can he only have 1 catch in the last 2 games with all the QB pressure they allowed.

I really don't think this team knows how to run a screen pass with accurate timing.

Agreed. And for all the talk of Frank loving to utilize the TE's in the passing game, TE catches in this offense are a rarity for whatever reason.

[JAFF]

Agreed. And for all the talk of Frank loving to utilize the TE's in the passing game, TE catches in this offense are a rarity for whatever reason.

Doyle has been nicked up all year, Cox has 2x4’s for hands, and the rest are young. Its been a weakness all year

[Colts And Orioles]

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To me, Wentz' inconsistencies as the Colts' quarterback is emblematic of the team's inconsistencies overall ...... they both show signs of eliteness at times (see the Colts' win over the Patriots, and their blowout of the Bills), yet they also show signs of being unable to get the job done (see the Colts' blown leads against the Ravens, the Titans, and the Buccaneers.)

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[Oldcolt]

Wentz may not be the problem but he sure as hell isn't the solution. I will temper this by saying our WR suck as WRs. Great as blockers though.

[nate505]

Don’t get me wrong. He wasn’t grear. I get it. I have eyes.

But, going in, we all knew the deal with the guy. Give him solid pass blocking and a clean pocket with time to throw, and he’s gonna be more than solid. But, if you let opposing defenses ratchet up the pressure, he’s gonna look like Tom Brady trying to figure things out versus the Giants in Super Bowl 57.

The numbers should be easy to understand. According to PFF, Wentz attempted 27 passes. On 25 of those, the Raiders got pressure. That’s far too many.

A lot of the problems can be attributed to Covid. Nelson, Glowinski and Smith were all dealing with the disease. Eric Fisher was out with injuries, and Ryan Kelly was dealing with something you wouldn’t wish on your worst enemy. The impact on play was obvious.

Not only did Wentz not have time to throw, but Receivers didn’t have time to run their routes and gain separation. While he wasn’t shut down, Jonathan Taylor didn’t have the kind of holes we’ve seen all season, and don’t get me started on the shoestring tackles. There were a season’s worth in one game. It makes me believe that, on a lot of plays, the blocking was just a little off

But, worst of all were the penalties. Illegal proceedure on Smith, holding on Smith, holding on Pryor, holding on Kelly. At least two of them aborted promising drives, and one shoved us back out of FG range.

And, finally, I think that we don’t give Wentz anywhere enough credit for the magic he works with his legs. He can be a magician at getting away from pressure; and, yesterday, he avoided 3 or 4 sacks.

He was absolutely the problem against the Raiders, between his horrible decision making and his completely inability to throw a pass that is like accurate on a high school level.

The play where he had a chance to run 10-20 yards, but instead throws a nearly horizontal incomplete pass at the last moment (one that even if completed whoever he was targeting, Hines I think, would have been tackled immediately) was just indicative of what a terrible, terrible mind he has for a QB. It was probably the worst decision you could make, but he was like "fuck it, that's how I roll." That was also on a play where, like you said, he was great at avoiding a sack. So kudos for him not getting sacked I guess. But that ability gets hampered when all you can do with it is get an incomplete pass with your horrible decisions instead of really making the defense pay for it.

And the decisions just never got better. He constantly misses open receivers, or throws the ball as he's hit (its miraculous he hasn't had more turnovers) or underthrows the ball or tries to pass into triple coverage when there's easier passes to be made.

Yes he gets pressured, and that doesn't help. But he usually compounds his problems with his bad decision making.

[Chromeburn]

He was absolutely the problem against the Raiders, between his horrible decision making and his completely inability to throw a pass that is like accurate on a high school level.

The play where he had a chance to run 10-20 yards, but instead throws a nearly horizontal incomplete pass at the last moment (one that even if completed whoever he was targeting, Hines I think, would have been tackled immediately) was just indicative of what a terrible, terrible mind he has for a QB. It was probably the worst decision you could make, but he was like "fuck it, that's how I roll." That was also on a play where, like you said, he was great at avoiding a sack. So kudos for him not getting sacked I guess. But that ability gets hampered when all you can do with it is get an incomplete pass with your horrible decisions instead of really making the defense pay for it.

And the decisions just never got better. He constantly misses open receivers, or throws the ball as he's hit (its miraculous he hasn't had more turnovers) or underthrows the ball or tries to pass into triple coverage when there's easier passes to be made.

Yes he gets pressured, and that doesn't help. But he usually compounds his problems with his bad decision making.

Now imagine him on a less talented team. The Eagles found that out.

There are QB 's out there producing with a lot less than Wentz has. And bad wide receivers don't make him overthrow a leaping Mo Allie Cox by three yards. If there were toins of drops hitting WR's in the hands or numbers, sure I would say its a problem. But he isn't even connecting with the WR half the time.

[Racehorse]

I wish they would use JT out of the backfield more. No one covers him.

How can he only have 1 catch in the last 2 games with all the QB pressure they allowed.

I really don't think this team knows how to run a screen pass with accurate timing.I was saying the same thing to a coworker just at lunch today. He should be a target on at least five passes per game.

[Drewtone]

My thing is that I may end up agreeing with both sides on this argument... couple of factors at play here:

1.) I'm still biased by the frustration of last year seeing looks that Phillip saw but not having the physical tools to get it there anymore.

2.) as noted, would like to see improvement in the WR corps... plus reps, which I think may rectify the problem with hitting WR's in stride (may partially be a factor of revolving door of healthy receivers).

3.) I've already decided to hold my final judgement on Wentz until he gets a full offseason/preseason with this team and Coach... I figure we'll all know for sure by mid-season next year.

[omahacolt]

Wentz wasn’t the only problem. Just the biggest

[Coltsalr]

All 3 phases played be!ow par for sure. But Wentz was the worst I've seen a horseshoe QB since Curtis Painter.

Brissett was pretty terrible down the stretch in 2019. I'd put that at least on par (if not worse) than Wentz the last few weeks.

[Colts And Orioles]

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I'm not saying that I necessarily agree with this claim, I'm just putting out this FOX reporter's assertion that I just came across ......



Carson Wentz's Days with Colts are Numbered, so Search for Upgrade is On

(By Armando Salguero)

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/carson-wentz-days-colts-numbered

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[Chromeburn]

People concentrate on the last two games. He was inconsistent all year. He was awful in the Titans and jags games.

That last interception in the titans game- three receivers open and he threw to Pittman in triple coverage. There was no pressure.

The guy folds under pressure. Panics and plays hero ball. Has awful mechanics and doesn’t scan the field for the open man. He has periods of great play followed by periods of awful play. His analytics place him in the 20-25 range of starting QBs. He was 28th in accuracy.

He just isn’t a good QB. At best he is inconsistent.

[CletusPyle]

People concentrate on the last two games. He was inconsistent all year. He was awful in the Titans and jags games.

That last interception in the titans game- three receivers open and he threw to Pittman in triple coverage. There was no pressure.

The guy folds under pressure. Panics and plays hero ball. Has awful mechanics and doesn’t scan the field for the open man. He has periods of great play followed by periods of awful play. His analytics place him in the 20-25 range of starting QBs. He was 28th in accuracy.

He just isn’t a good QB. At best he is inconsistent.

So how did Reich and Ballard, especially Reich, not know this?

[njcoltfan]

So how did Reich and Ballard, especially Reich, not know this?

The did !!

[Chromeburn]

So how did Reich and Ballard, especially Reich, not know this?

They knew it. Ballard and Irsay were doubtful. Reich just said yesterday on the radio at the combine that he put his ass on the line for Wentz. Wentz let him down. The player Reich coached at Philly is not the same guy today is my guess. Reich thought he could get MVP Wentz, it was a calculated gamble and they lost. I will say for a little while it looked like it might work out. He was up and down, but was trending in a good direction. Then the last 4-5 games, he just started sucking.

If you go by the week by week analytics stampede blue did on Wentz, they predicted he would come down at the end. He was over performing in certain areas that his base stats did not justify. And for all the bad decisions he made, how many were dropped by the defense. Guy had some luck. His numbers could have been a lot worse.

[CletusPyle]

They knew it. Ballard and Irsay were doubtful. Reich just said yesterday on the radio at the combine that he put his ass on the line for Wentz. Wentz let him down. The player Reich coached at Philly is not the same guy today is my guess. Reich thought he could get MVP Wentz, it was a calculated gamble and they lost. I will say for a little while it looked like it might work out. He was up and down, but was trending in a good direction. Then the last 4-5 games, he just started sucking.

If you go by the week by week analytics stampede blue did on Wentz, they predicted he would come down at the end. He was over performing in certain areas that his base stats did not justify. And for all the bad decisions he made, how many were dropped by the defense. Guy had some luck. His numbers could have been a lot worse.

JT bailed him out a time or two as well. You make some excellent points, I think the Colts almost have to roll with him one more season and maybe just not expect as much from him. I'm not sure how much work the Colts can insist he do in the off season, but if he would be willing to put in the work, why not hire somebody (a former proven QB for example) to work with him and try to salvage his career?

[BCN#1]

My thing is that I may end up agreeing with both sides on this argument... couple of factors at play here:

1.) I'm still biased by the frustration of last year seeing looks that Phillip saw but not having the physical tools to get it there anymore.

2.) as noted, would like to see improvement in the WR corps... plus reps, which I think may rectify the problem with hitting WR's in stride (may partially be a factor of revolving door of healthy receivers).

3.) I've already decided to hold my final judgement on Wentz until he gets a full offseason/preseason with this team and Coach... I figure we'll all know for sure by mid-season next year.

I hear ya Drewtone... kind in line with ya here. Lots of blame to share with WR, Oline, TE, etc.

Given the investment made in this guy and the serious lack of other clear cut upgrades, I am starting to lean toward letting him get a "full season" with the knowledge that he is under the microscope by everyone.

Frank made me crazy with some play calling all season long and honestly think he needs to hand that off to the OC. Either way, he needs some serious self-reflection on some of his head scratching play calling also... maybe they turn this think around but at least we are not stuck cutting this clown, eating dead money and then stuck with a retread that is quite likely not going to be any real upgrade.

Just my clueless opinion on the subject. :D

[Colts And Orioles]

Just my clueless opinion on the subject. ) :D





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I wouldn't necessarily say clueless opinion ...... more like your rat's ass of an opinion, which is a valuable as everybody else's rat's ass of an opinion here on ColtFreaks.

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[BCN#1]

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I wouldn't necessarily say clueless opinion ...... more like your rat's ass of an opinion, which is a valuable as everybody else's rat's ass of an opinion here on ColtFreaks.

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Yup! That is why I like it here. :)

[Chromeburn]

JT bailed him out a time or two as well. You make some excellent points, I think the Colts almost have to roll with him one more season and maybe just not expect as much from him. I'm not sure how much work the Colts can insist he do in the off season, but if he would be willing to put in the work, why not hire somebody (a former proven QB for example) to work with him and try to salvage his career?

I see your point. If it was me, if you know he isn’t the guy, just move on. No point in treading water for another season. You might do worse next year, but you continue the search. Wentz would bring us more mediocrity to maybe one playoff win. At this point, he is six years in. If he wanted to get rid of these bad habits he would have by now.

And from what the rumors are, it’s more the off field stuff that’s determining his fate, not his play. Meaning he isn’t buying in to what they are telling him. Where the uncoachsble stuff comes from.

[Colts And Orioles]

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Carson Wentz Makes Statement after Trade to Commanders

(By Kevin Kickey)

https://coltswire.usatoday.com/2022/03/13/nfl-colts-carson-wentz-commanders-statement-trade-2022/



“Dear Colts Nation:

Even though my family’s time in Indianapolis has been short, we have loved being part of this community. Colts fans embraced us from the moment we arrived, and made us feel at home. Hoosier hospitality is incredible !!!

To the entire Colts organization, thank you for the opportunity !!! Ultimately, the season didn’t end the way we wanted, but I’m grateful for the sacrifices each of you made so that we could climb the mountain together.

The relationships I formed are what I’ll remember most ...... the brotherhood that existed in the locker room goes well beyond one team or one season, and I have my teammates to thank for helping to create that culture. I appreciate, love, and wish nothing but the best for each of you !!!

I’m looking forward to getting to Washington. This organization has a rich history, and a roster full of talent. I’m going to do everything I can this off-season to prepare for a special season, and I can’t wait to see you at FedEx Field this fall !!!

God’s plan !!! Eyes fixed on him! #AO1.”

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