Vaccination rate

[Oldcolt]

Colts are one of four teams with a vaccination rate of less than 50%. Some are as high as 85%. Anyone else concerned that this may bite us in the ass?

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Yeah, I saw that. I wonder if the Colts are planning a mass vaccination clinic at the start of training camp to improve those numbers.

The NFL and the Players association have adopted rules for this season that give some benefits and competitive advantages to the players / teams that are vaccinated.

https://www.nfl.com/news/nfl-nflpa-agree-to-updated-covid-19-protocols-for-training-camp-preseason

With mandatory minicamps coming to a close around the NFL, the league and the NFL Players Association have come to an agreement for COVID-19 protocols for training camps and preseason games, NFL Network's Tom Pelissero reported Wednesday via an NFL memo.

Foremost among protocols is how different the preseason will be for players and individuals who are vaccinated and who are not fully vaccinated.

For those fully vaccinated, there will be no daily testing, whereas those who are not fully vaccinated must be tested every day. It will be the same for face coverings, with none required if fully vaccinated and mandated at club facility and team travel if not.

Individuals who are not fully vaccinated, including players, will be prohibited from gathering outside club facilities or team travel. NFL players who are not fully vaccinated will be barred from going to nightclubs, bars, house parties, concerts, etc. Failure to follow the protocols could result in fines of $50,000 for a first offense.

One difference that Pelissero notes could have major competitive implications is that fully vaccinated individuals who have been exposed to a coronavirus-positive person will not be labeled a high-risk close contact, so they will not be subject to a mandatory five-day isolation.

Coaches and staff members who are not fully vaccinated -- and do not have religious or medical exemptions -- will not be eligible for Tier 1 or 2 status in training camp and will therefore not be allowed to work in-person with players. Strength and conditioning coaches, for instance, must be fully vaccinated to be in a weight room with players. If it's an indoor weight room, players who are not fully vaccinated must work out with their masks on. For coaches who are fully vaccinated, there will no longer be face coverings required, which was a hallmark of the 2020 season, such as Chiefs head coach Andy Reid's face shield or other coaches being fined for not always wearing theirs.

For all unvaccinated individuals during travel, gathering with outside guests in hotel rooms, seeing family and friends, etc. is prohibited.

There will also be significant changes for members of the media and fans.

Fully vaccinated media members will be allowed to conduct in-person interviews, which was prohibited throughout the 2020 season. In contrast, media members who are not fully vaccinated are disallowed access to the press box, field, sidelines and locker rooms.

Though fans will not be allowed to interact with players, they are allowed to attend training camps. They must remain more than 20 feet from Tier 1 staff, including players, and adhere to physical distancing.

[omahacolt]

Colts are one of four teams with a vaccination rate of less than 50%. Some are as high as 85%. Anyone else concerned that this may bite us in the ass?

For sure it will

[rcubed]

Colts are one of four teams with a vaccination rate of less than 50%. Some are as high as 85%. Anyone else concerned that this may bite us in the ass?


Agree. It will be an issue at some point.


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[TheMugwump]

Unless they get those vaccines, yeah, it's going to be a major issue.

[Brylok]

Colts are one of four teams with a vaccination rate of less than 50%. Some are as high as 85%. Anyone else concerned that this may bite us in the ass?

I think it will, and I'll be pissed. Especially if it causes a loss or a loss of key players/personnel for significant amounts of time. The NFL should grow a set and tell everyone to get vaccinated or you don't coach/play. This being 'Murica, it obviously won't happen. Good luck out there.

[JAFF]

I think it will, and I'll be pissed. Especially if it causes a loss or a loss of key players/personnel for significant amounts of time. The NFL should grow a set and tell everyone to get vaccinated or you don't coach/play. This being 'Murica, it obviously won't happen. Good luck out there.

Right now, the only people who are dying from covid is the unvaccinated. There are vaccinated people who get sick, but they are not being hospitalized.

[Oldcolt]

I want to be clear that I think these guys have the right to refuse a vaccine. If 50% of our guys are not vaccinated, and the predominant strain is this Delta variant, we would be incredibly lucky to only have one or two guys miss time. If one guy gets infected multiple are most likely. The chance someone getting infected, with all the travel involved, over the term of the season is not low. It will be interesting, once the team is together as one, to see if any pressure is placed on these guys. If it is close and one guy is vaccinated and the other isn't it could, and should, have an impact on who gets cut.

[Ironshaft]

It's not like at this point they have not had the opportunity or the knowledge to make their decision. If they are not vaccinated at this point, it is by choice.

Their body, their choice. Is that not how the saying goes?

[apballin]

I don’t like hearing that but I guess it depends on which players are in the 50% that are vaccinated. We lost game 2 vs the Titans because of 2 key guys being out for Covid protocol so yea to each their own but that’s leaving a lot of shit to chance, I know Buckner is on record saying he’s vaccinated so that’s good

[Colts And Orioles]

It's not like at this point they have not had the opportunity or the knowledge to make their decision. If they are not vaccinated at this point, it is by choice.

Their body, their choice. Is that not how the saying goes?




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I have been vaccinated, and I would highly recommend vaccination for anybody who asked me about it ...... but I agree, it is their right not to do so. I wouldn't want a can of worms opened that would force any kind of medical treatment on a person who did not want it.

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out, that's for sure.

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[apballin]

Same here I got vaccinated after a lot of thought and as much research I could do and decided it was best for me. No side effects or anything I feel fine didn’t have to miss or leave work, no sick or weak feelings, I was fine

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

If it is close and one guy is vaccinated and the other isn't it could, and should, have an impact on who gets cut.

Teams have to be careful about that, however.

Earlier this off season, Buffalo Bills GM Brandon Beane stated that he would absolutely release any player that was not vaccinated. He thought that if the majority of the team's players and staff were vaccinated, it would be a competitive advantage.

Well, the league was pretty quick to address those comments. They let Beane know that you cannot release a player because of vaccination status.

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1390719247400112140

The NFL spoke with Bills GM Brandon Beane this week following his comments regarding releasing an unvaccinated player, per league source. A team may not release a player solely due to vaccination status.

The Players Association also made some comments shortly afterwards indicating that they would be watching teams to see if they make any such cuts.

[JAFF]

Teams have to be careful about that, however.

Earlier this off season, Buffalo Bills GM Brandon Beane stated that he would absolutely release any player that was not vaccinated. He thought that if the majority of the team's players and staff were vaccinated, it would be a competitive advantage.

Well, the league was pretty quick to address those comments. They let Beane know that you cannot release a player because of vaccination status.

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1390719247400112140



The Players Association also made some comments shortly afterwards indicating that they would be watching teams to see if they make any such cuts.

Right now, the only victims of covid are the unvaccinated. Ron White made people laugh with, “you cant fix stupid”. Now, not so much

[Chromeburn]

Colts are one of four teams with a vaccination rate of less than 50%. Some are as high as 85%. Anyone else concerned that this may bite us in the ass?

Yes. Covid already cost us a game and probably the division. This will be a pain next season.

[Butter]

Fuck Darius Leonard.

[Racehorse]

Fuck Darius Leonard.

Am I missing something here?

[Oldcolt]

Am I missing something here?

I think Leonard has been outspoken about his anti-vaccination belief.

[YDFL Commish]

Ballard always goes on about how he has a team of unselfish, team first players on the Colts.

Apparently that is a bunch of BS.

[Racehorse]

I think Leonard has been outspoken about his anti-vaccination belief.

I guess it is okay for players to give opinions so long as they are the ones Butter agrees with.

[rm1369]

I guess it is okay for players to give opinions so long as they are the ones Butter agrees with.

It’s ok for fans to give their opinion just as it is for players to give theirs. I won’t say fuck Leonard, but I will say I find his opinion ignorant and selfish (from a societal prospective even more than a sports one). And it is unfortunate such an outspoken “team leader” holds such views IMO. I fully expect it to cost the team. Leonard is certainly free to his opinion and control of his body. And I’m free to think less of him because of it. I’m sure he’s not concerned.

[Oldcolt]

Ballard always goes on about how he has a team of unselfish, team first players on the Colts.

Apparently that is a bunch of BS.

That is one reason I will be interested in if there is any change in attitude once they all get together. I'm not ready to make any judgement just yet. Does anyone else think that this will be a test of this great locker room Ballard thinks he has built? If we remain the one of the lowest vaccinated teams that kind of says Ballard's idea of what a great locker room is isn't so great, at least in insuring you have the best chance at winning.

[Butter]

I guess it is okay for players to give opinions so long as they are the ones Butter agrees with.

Or you know facts and science.

[Spike]

Posting this just for the hell of it. Dumb asses!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nUn1_uVTxo

[apballin]

So are they still gonna get daily testing?

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

So are they still gonna get daily testing?

Under the current rules, if the player is not vaccinated, he will need to take daily COVID tests and wear masks 100% of the time during team activities.

If the player is fully vaccinated, he doesn't need to take daily COVID tests and is not required to wear masks.

[JAFF]

Posting this just for the hell of it. F the democrats and the republicans. Dumb asses!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3nUn1_uVTxo


The vaccine isnt perfect. You can still catch it. The chances of hospitalization and or death drops into single digits with the vaccine. They were right about getting. Vaccinated, should have been more careful about distancing.

Right now, all over the country, people are still dying of covid, and 99% of them are unvaccinated.

Cant fix stupid

[Oldcolt]

The vaccine isnt perfect. You can still catch it. The chances of hospitalization and or death drops into single digits with the vaccine. They were right about getting. Vaccinated, should have been more careful about distancing.

Right now, all over the country, people are still dying of covid, and 99% of them are unvaccinated.

Cant fix stupid

All of us suffer from believing our thoughts. Can't fix being human.

[Chromeburn]

The vaccine isnt perfect. You can still catch it. The chances of hospitalization and or death drops into single digits with the vaccine. They were right about getting. Vaccinated, should have been more careful about distancing.

Right now, all over the country, people are still dying of covid, and 99% of them are unvaccinated.

Cant fix stupid

We politicized a epidemic. It should be a medical argument only. The unvaccinated are at the highest risk, but this variant attacks children as well and we are about to start the new school season. Which means children of unvaccinated will be mixing with other children.

Also, the longer we drag this out, more chance a new mutation will pop up that the vaccine won’t cover. We are our own worst enemy.

[Dam8610]

The NFL is a collective of private businesses that can refuse service to any customer and release any employee, just like any other business. It's smart business for them to put a vaccine mandate in place, as it is going to protect their business interests the most. This falls under player conduct, and we all saw the enforcement muscle Goodell flexed when he first became commissioner in regards to player conduct. He should grow the balls to do it again (and ban Brady and Belicheat while he's at it), but he won't.

[Oldcolt]

The protocols the NFL has in place for unvaccinated players will impact this team. We will be playing at a huge disadvantage compared to vaccinated teams. They include

Testing required every day

masks required at club facility and during travel

Quarantine after high risk exposure to COVID

Travel restrictions in effect

15 player limit in weight room

Physical distance in meal room; may not eat with team.

No social/media/marketing sponsorship activities permitted

May not use sauna/steam room

May not leave team hotel to eat in restaurants; may not interact with anyone
outside of Team Traveling Party during team travel

[JAFF]

All of us suffer from believing our thoughts. Can't fix being human.

That is not true. Believing evidence and health officials who as physicians have sworn to do no harm, is intelligence. Its what we strive for as a species. Being intellectually lazy is not an excuse.

[YDFL Commish]

We politicized a epidemic. It should be a medical argument only. The unvaccinated are at the highest risk, but this variant attacks children as well and we are about to start the new school season. Which means children of unvaccinated will be mixing with other children.

Also, the longer we drag this out, more chance a new mutation will pop up that the vaccine won’t cover. We are our own worst enemy.

The longer we can drag this out, means the more it can politicized into future elections.

It's really sad that we can't come together as a country at a time of need. I'm fairly certain that the current generation could not have polarized and in a non-bipartisan way to do the right thing, during trying times like WW II, or any other crisis we have faced in the last 60+ years.

[JAFF]

The longer we can drag this out, means the more it can politicized into future elections.

It's really sad that we can't come together as a country at a time of need. I'm fairly certain that the current generation could not have polarized and in a non-bipartisan way to do the right thing, during trying times like WW II, or any other crisis we have faced in the last 60+ years.

And its over vaccinations? The only cases of mumps or measles in this country over the past 10 years has been brought in from outside the country. Polio and small pox have managed and eradicated by vaccination. Indiana kids are required to have over 10 vaccinations to attend school.

We have gone backwards as a civilization. Next thing the GOP will claim is that they saw Lizzy Proctor speaking with the devil.

[Colts And Orioles]

And its over vaccinations? The only cases of mumps or measles in this country over the past 10 years has been brought in from outside the country. Polio and small pox have managed and eradicated by vaccination. Indiana kids are required to have over 10 vaccinations to attend school.

We have gone backwards as a civilization. The next thing that the GOP will claim is that they saw Lizzie Proctor speaking with the Devil.




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Change that to Lizzie Borden, and they may be onto something.


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[HoosierinFL]

It's not like at this point they have not had the opportunity or the knowledge to make their decision. If they are not vaccinated at this point, it is by choice.

Their body, their choice. Is that not how the saying goes?

Sure, it just happens to be a choice that isn't just personal. it affects others. Its a demonstrably *bad* choice.

[woodyscolts]

It's not like at this point they have not had the opportunity or the knowledge to make their decision. If they are not vaccinated at this point, it is by choice.

Their body, their choice. Is that not how the saying goes?

Yeah except it is really your body your choice to infect anybody else you come in contact with, unfortunately it is then not their choice. I agree that it should not be forced on anybody but it is sad how many stupid people out there will not get the vaccine and then still do not wear masks indoors. My wife has MS and has to take a drug to knock her immune system down. She took the vaccine and then 3 weeks later got an antibody test and because of being immune deficient she has no protection. There are a lot of people out there that the vaccine might not work because of having a compromised immune system. If you choose to not get the vaccine then have the balls to still wear masks indoors!

[JAFF]

Yeah except it is really your body your choice to infect anybody else you come in contact with, unfortunately it is then not their choice. I agree that it should not be forced on anybody but it is sad how many stupid people out there will not get the vaccine and then still do not wear masks indoors. My wife has MS and has to take a drug to knock her immune system down. She took the vaccine and then 3 weeks later got an antibody test and because of being immune deficient she has no protection. There are a lot of people out there that the vaccine might not work because of having a compromised immune system. If you choose to not get the vaccine then have the balls to still wear masks indoors!

I have an adult daughter with an auto immune issue. She has been vaccinated, but is still high risk.

No vaccination, ok. Wear a mask, every choice has a cost.

[HoosierinFL]

All of us suffer from believing our thoughts. Can't fix being human.

There is always a significant difference between knowing and believing. We may know that the earth turns, but we believe, as we say, that the sun rises. We know by evidence, or by trust in people who have examined the evidence in a way that we trust is trustworthy. We may sometimes be persuaded to believe by reason, but within the welter of our experience reason is limited and weak. We believe always by coming, in some sense, to see. We believe in what is apparent, in what we can imagine or "picture" in our minds, in what we feel to be true, in what our hearts tell us, in experience, in stories - above all, perhaps, in stories.

[Colts And Orioles]

Yeah, except it is really your body your choice to infect anybody else you come in contact with, unfortunately it is then not their choice. I agree that it should not be forced on anybody but it is sad how many stupid people out there will not get the vaccine and then still do not wear masks indoors. My wife has MS and has to take a drug to knock her immune system down. She took the vaccine and then 3 weeks later got an antibody test and because of being immune deficient she has no protection. There are a lot of people out there that the vaccine might not work because of having a compromised immune system. If you choose to not get the vaccine then have the balls to still wear masks indoors !!!




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This line of thought reminds me somewhat of the argument in regard to smoking cigarettes around other people ...... having the right to smoke cigarettes should not include the right to smoke them in front of other people, especially within indoor public environments. I'm glad that the smoking laws are much stricter now than they were 40 years ago.

It's not entirely the same exact thing as the COVID vaccination argument, but it is similar.

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[rcubed]

I saw numerous interviews with people, sometimes vets, talk about laying their life on the line for anyone in America, saying they would die for their fellow Americans, yet refused to do something simple like put a mask on to protect the people around them. Such a weird mindset.


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[Chromeburn]

The longer we can drag this out, means the more it can politicized into future elections.

It's really sad that we can't come together as a country at a time of need. I'm fairly certain that the current generation could not have polarized and in a non-bipartisan way to do the right thing, during trying times like WW II, or any other crisis we have faced in the last 60+ years.

We seem to like to go after each unless there is a unifying event. Most of the country did not want to enter ww2, remembering the staggering losses of ww1. It took the attack at Pearl Harbor to do it. So I guess the lesson is that covid needs to blow up a naval base?

I do wonder if we would be able to eliminate diseases like polio and tetanus today though. There is so much mis-information. Just one person can cause harm by going around and spreading it on social media.

[JAFF]

We seem to like to go after each unless there is a unifying event. Most of the country did not want to enter ww2, remembering the staggering losses of ww1. It took the attack at Pearl Harbor to do it. So I guess the lesson is that covid needs to blow up a naval base?

I do wonder if we would be able to eliminate diseases like polio and tetanus today though. There is so much mis-information. Just one person can cause harm by going around and spreading it on social media.

I cannot understand how anyone would believe anything on facebook. Its the largest collection of fucktards and ego maniacs talking out their collective asses. Same for twitter. Nothing smart happens there

[Oldcolt]

73% of NFL players have been vaccinated. Colts are less than 50%

[Butter]

73% of NFL players have been vaccinated. Colts are less than 50%

Fucking embarrassing. Trade Leonard for a first and change, we need better leaders, he is a fucking turd. Great player, but a moron.

[JAFF]

We seem to like to go after each unless there is a unifying event. Most of the country did not want to enter ww2, remembering the staggering losses of ww1. It took the attack at Pearl Harbor to do it. So I guess the lesson is that covid needs to blow up a naval base?

I do wonder if we would be able to eliminate diseases like polio and tetanus today though. There is so much mis-information. Just one person can cause harm by going around and spreading it on social media.

The 600,000 + deaths is greater than combat deaths in WW1 & WW2, combined. We as a society dont believe bad things will happen to us, until it punches us in the face. It took far too long for America to get its collective shit together about the AIDS epidemic. No one cared until it got into the blood supply, by then it was way too late.

The Republican party thinks that they can take back the House next year, but I’m not sure there will be enough republicans to win an election. Look at a political map and a covid map. The deep red states are low vaccination, the opposite for democratic states with high vaccination rates.

The stubborn, gullible, and stupid are now the ones who are dying from covid. Every covid death right now can be avoided.

[Ironshaft]

Yeah except it is really your body your choice to infect anybody else you come in contact with, unfortunately it is then not their choice. I agree that it should not be forced on anybody but it is sad how many stupid people out there will not get the vaccine and then still do not wear masks indoors. My wife has MS and has to take a drug to knock her immune system down. She took the vaccine and then 3 weeks later got an antibody test and because of being immune deficient she has no protection. There are a lot of people out there that the vaccine might not work because of having a compromised immune system. If you choose to not get the vaccine then have the balls to still wear masks indoors!
A. Sorry to hear about your wife.

B. Agree 100%. I am all for the protocols the NFL has put into place for those players/staff who choose not to get vaccinated. Mask up, social distance and wash your fricking hands.

But, this is still America (for the moment) and folks get to make choices and choose to deal with the consequences.

Yes, those NFL players who choose not to get the vaccine will be put at a competitive disadvantage to those who do. If they don't perform or are not available to play, then they will be demoted/cut/effect future earnings. That is the consequence.

Yes, it may also effect the overall team win rate. But we don't fine or force folks to work out in the off-season under a monitored, body-cam style system to ensure that they are at peak performance for training camp either. It is about individual player's choice.

[Ironshaft]

I saw numerous interviews with people, sometimes vets, talk about laying their life on the line for anyone in America, saying they would die for their fellow Americans, yet refused to do something simple like put a mask on to protect the people around them. Such a weird mindset.
My guess is that if folks are CONVINCED of the threat, then the American mindset is capably of incredible sacrifice.

Alas, in today' politically charged world, the 'evidence" of any viewpoint about COVID is horribly compromised.

Someone earlier said that we should be able to trust the testimony of certified doctors to give us the truth but, unfortunately, time and again ideology has been proven to be more important than scientific derived facts.
The Republican party thinks that they can take back the House next year, but I’m not sure there will be enough republicans to win an election. Look at a political map and a covid map. The deep red states are low vaccination, the opposite for democratic states with high vaccination rates.
Look at the political map and the mortality map, however. The vast majority of deaths are not happening in red states.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

73% of NFL players have been vaccinated. Colts are less than 50%

I think you may be mixing two different types of stats here.

The 73+% number is the percentage of players across the league that have received their first dose of the vaccine.

Whereas the team numbers are the percentage of players that are fully vaccinated.

At the beginning of July, Ballard had indicated that more Colts were getting their first vaccine shot so he said the overall team numbers would improve - but you have that 3 - 4 week wait for the second dose if they opt for the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines.

(That being said, it is also true that at the present time, the Colts are one of the bottom two teams in the league as far as the percentage being fully vaccinated.)

[Chromeburn]

I cannot understand how anyone would believe anything on facebook. Its the largest collection of fucktards and ego maniacs talking out their collective asses. Same for twitter. Nothing smart happens there

I don’t know why but there is an anti-science anti-intellectual movement now. Where people get on and think their ignorance is just as valid as someone who is trained in that area. I see people reference peer reviewed papers with an anonymous blog off the Internet spouting conspiracies. It doesn’t help that Facebook’s algorithm keeps feeding you what you like. So basically if you like the idea aliens run the world through Bigfoot and cows, then you will keep seeing items that support that notion. It’s like an indoctrination tool.

[Chromeburn]

The 600,000 + deaths is greater than combat deaths in WW1 & WW2, combined. We as a society dont believe bad things will happen to us, until it punches us in the face. It took far too long for America to get its collective shit together about the AIDS epidemic. No one cared until it got into the blood supply, by then it was way too late.

The Republican party thinks that they can take back the House next year, but I’m not sure there will be enough republicans to win an election. Look at a political map and a covid map. The deep red states are low vaccination, the opposite for democratic states with high vaccination rates.

The stubborn, gullible, and stupid are now the ones who are dying from covid. Every covid death right now can be avoided.

While I agree, it seems it takes a flashbulb moment to trigger the population.

I’ll refrain from the political divide. I will say it’s the duty of the repubs to guide their constituents. If Trump and his family got vaccinated, what’s the issue? Because yeah, they are pretty much the ones dying right now.

But everyone is still at risk. Because as long as there is population that it can exist in, a mutation can happen that the vaccine won’t protect against. Then we are back to square one again. Also this delta variant is stronger, more contagious, and produces more strain.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

No vaccine mandate yet....but the league just provided some more guidance about COVID protocols this season with more advantages for teams/players that are vaccinated:

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1418258413142818816


Vaccinated individuals who test positive and are asymptomatic can return to play after two negative tests 24 hours apart.

Unvaccinated individuals will be subject to mandatory 10-day isolation period.


https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1418256770305335299

If a game cannot be rescheduled during the 18-week season in 2021 due to a COVID outbreak among unvaccinated players, the team with the outbreak will FORFEIT and be credited with a loss for playoff seeding, per sources.

Massive implications.

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1418257949034745859

The league intends to play its entire 272-game schedule over 18 weeks (17 games per club). And this is key:

"We do not anticipate adding a '19th week' to accommodate games that cannot be rescheduled within the current 18 weeks of the regular season."

Play on time or don't play.

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1418259009044353024

More strong language from today's NFL memo:

"Every club is obligated under the Constitution and Bylaws to have its team ready to play at the scheduled time and place. A failure to do so is deemed conduct detrimental. There is no right to postpone a game."

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1418261816493363203

And the biggest penalty of all for players:

"If a game is cancelled and cannot be rescheduled within the current 18-week schedule due to a Covid outbreak, neither team’s players will receive their weekly paragraph 5 salary."

You read that right: NOBODY GETS PAID.

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1418263386098372610

So to summarize, if an outbreak of unvaccinated NFL players causes a game to be cancelled:

- Infected team forfeits, takes a loss for playoff seeding, faces financial penalties and possible additional sanctions if protocols violated

- Players on both teams don't get paid

[Discflinger]

There will be a large chunk of colts taking it elsewhere in the hallway.

[Oldcolt]

This should put pressure on unvaccinated players to get vaccinated. Not only could you be costing your team a loss but you are costing your team mates a ton of money. We shall see if this wonderful locker Ballard has built means shit when the rubber hits the road with these guys. There can be zero question not getting vaccinated puts your team at risk with these new NFL rules.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

https://twitter.com/jimayello/status/1418290814766260226

Jim Irsay says the Colts are above 50% vaccination rate and "hopefully getting toward 100%."

https://twitter.com/zkeefer/status/1418291389427769345

Irsay on vaccinations: "It just makes the most sense. There's always risks with everything in life, and getting vaccinated is the right thing to do."

It's clear where the owner stands.

https://twitter.com/zkeefer/status/1418292961444569093

Irsay, Ballard, Reich and team leaders have all been pushing players to get vaccinated. "I look at it this way," Irsay says, "I'm gonna do anything I possibly can to help us win games ...

(on the team's low vax rate) Sure it's a concern. One game can shift things."

[JAFF]

Players need to get the vaccination now, in time for the season. Once the preseason starts, its too late

[Colts And Orioles]

No vaccine mandate yet........but the league just provided some more guidance about COVID protocols this season with more advantages for teams/players that are vaccinated:

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1418258413142818816



https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1418256770305335299



https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1418257949034745859
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https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1418259009044353024



https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1418261816493363203



https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/1418263386098372610




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AlwaysSunnyinIndy ...... the man who has more pertinent information in 5 of his posts than I do in 100 of mine. ) :o


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[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

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AlwaysSunnyinIndy ...... the man who has more pertinent information in 5 of his posts than I do in 100 of mine. ) :o


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Don't sell yourself short.....I learn a lot from your posts, too. :)

[Chromeburn]

This is gonna cost some teams some games.

[YDFL Commish]

This is gonna cost some teams some games.

Probably the Colts, if they don't get their shit together.

[omahacolt]

It's not like at this point they have not had the opportunity or the knowledge to make their decision. If they are not vaccinated at this point, it is by choice.

Their body, their choice. Is that not how the saying goes?

that is correct. it is there choice

and could come be a huge detriment to the team.

[omahacolt]

o

I have been vaccinated, and I would highly recommend vaccination for anybody who asked me about it ...... but I agree, it is their right not to do so. I wouldn't want a can of worms opened that would force any kind of medical treatment on a person who did not want it.

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out, that's for sure.

o

to be fair.

hospitals have been doing this with the flu shot for years. so precedent is there. not saying if it is right or wrong.

[omahacolt]

The longer we can drag this out, means the more it can politicized into future elections.

It's really sad that we can't come together as a country at a time of need. I'm fairly certain that the current generation could not have polarized and in a non-bipartisan way to do the right thing, during trying times like WW II, or any other crisis we have faced in the last 60+ years.

cable news has destoryed this country

[JAFF]

to be fair.

hospitals have been doing this with the flu shot for years. so precedent is there. not saying if it is right or wrong.

Mandated vaccination of school children is how we have removed measles and mumps from our country. Granted, it is done because kids are required to be in school, the rights of the many outweigh the rights of the few. Vaccinations have been around for 50 + years, there wasnt any controversy until the internet.

[JAFF]

cable news has destoryed this country

Toss in facebook

[rcubed]

cable news has destoryed this country


Especially when the opinion shows have taken over what people perceive as real news.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Vaccination numbers keep ticking up across the NFL:

https://twitter.com/MikeGarafolo/status/1418607598186622980

NFL chief medical officer Allen Sills says 80% of players have taken at least one COVID-19 shot.

Nine teams over 90%.

Only five teams at less than 70%.

https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1418613262518833152

NFL chief medical officer Allen Sills says he hopes that players are listening to the right people on the vaccine: "Let's not get information from Instagram or Facebook posts."

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Minnesota Vikings OL Coach Rick Dennison is out of a job after he refused to get a COVID vaccine.

https://twitter.com/CourtneyRCronin/status/1418628745049493508

Breaking: Rick Dennison is out as Vikings offensive line coach / run game coordinator after refusing the COVID-19 vaccine. MIN will promote assistant OL coach Phil Rauscher to replace Dennison, hired Auburn special teams analyst Ben Steele as an assistant.

https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1418638232250630149

Dennison was Gary Kubiak's offensive coordinator in Houston and Denver, and is a trusted line guru across the Shanahan coaching tree. In the year the Vikings lose Kubiak, this only compounds that loss.

So the COVID-19 rules already having a sizable impact.

[Oldcolt]

Minnesota Vikings OL Coach Rick Dennison is a moron.

[Oldcolt]

My own opinion is that the Colts should not be giving out 20 million dollar contracts to people who would not get vaccinated unless there is a clause that the Colts can nullify this contract if that player gets COVID. We don't need to be saddled with a huge contract to some idiot that may lose us games all by himself or turns out to be a long hauler who can't play for shit

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

One of the Cheats Co-OL Coaches is also refusing the COVID vaccine and is no longer on the staff. The other half of the two person team will take over the job on a solo basis.

https://twitter.com/MikeReiss/status/1418660025271259141

Patriots co-OL coach Cole Popovich won’t be with the team in 2021 in a decision related to the COVID-19 vaccine and NFL guidelines per league sources.

Carmen Bricillo, co-OL coach in ‘20, takes . . . over the job solo.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Minnesota Vikings OL Coach Rick Dennison is a moron.

The Vikings have now put out a statement saying that they continue to have discussions with Dennison.

So I guess he could be allowed back on the staff if he changes his mind and gets vaccinated or they are creating some Zoom-based Offensive Line consultant where he has no regular face-to-face contact with the players.

[Butter]

I 100% want the Colts to Trade Davis for a 1st+, get him off our team. Let's not give this Idiot a huge contract that ties him to the Colts for years.

[Oldcolt]

I 100% want the Colts to Trade Davis for a 1st+, get him off our team. Let's not give this Idiot a huge contract that ties him to the Colts for years.

I'm fairly close to agreeing with you on this. I still am holding out for him be vaccinated now that the NFL has spoken so clearly. If he still wont then lets see what we can get in a trade

[rcubed]

I 100% want the Colts to Trade Davis for a 1st+, get him off our team. Let's not give this Idiot a huge contract that ties him to the Colts for years.


Did you mean Darius?

[apballin]

Did you mean Darius?

Vontae?

No I have a feeling Leonard will have a change of heart soon

[Butter]

Did you mean Darius?
Yes, I was watching TV and not concentrating. I suck at multitasking. Not sure where that came from.

[Colts And Orioles]

o


At the press conference for Peyton Manning's and Edgerrin James' inductions into the Hall-of-Fame, Jimbo chimed in on the vaccination issue ......



Jim Irsay on Players Getting Vaccinated: ‘It’s the Right Thing to Do’

(By MIke Chappell)

https://fox59.com/sports/colts/colts-jim-irsay-on-players-getting-vaccinated-its-the-right-thing-to-do/

o

[Colts And Orioles]

o


I suspect that some of the issue is that people (in general) don't like to be told what to do ...... even if what they are being told to do is in their best interest.

And I admit that I can relate to that to some degree, but I think that it's important to try to sort through those feelings so as not cut off your nose to spite your face. The players probably ought to get the vaccine, even if they feel like they are being pushed around by the league, the team owners, and/or society at-large.

o

[JAFF]

Did you mean Darius?

You posted Darius my thought was, whats Hootie got to do with this?

[rcubed]

Yes, I was watching TV and not concentrating. I suck at multitasking. Not sure where that came from.


I see what you are saying but I dont think ballard would do that.


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[Chico30Colt]

I really don't care if Darius gets the vaccine or not its his descision to make. Even if that means it costs us some games Im ok with that because Darius is someone you don't just trade away. You trade Darius away and because you are worried he might cost you a game or 2 and you end up losing more games because your defense is now weaker. This country has lost a lot during this pandemic and a bright side has been this team and its way better with Darius on it then off and its annoying and just plain dumb when people here say get rid of Darius because he won't do something you think everyone should do. I would rather lose a bunch of games this season then get rid of the players that make this team what it is.

[rm1369]

I really don't care if Darius gets the vaccine or not its his descision to make. Even if that means it costs us some games Im ok with that because Darius is someone you don't just trade away. You trade Darius away and because you are worried he might cost you a game or 2 and you end up losing more games because your defense is now weaker. This country has lost a lot during this pandemic and a bright side has been this team and its way better with Darius on it then off and its annoying and just plain dumb when people here say get rid of Darius because he won't do something you think everyone should do. I would rather lose a bunch of games this season then get rid of the players that make this team what it is.

I’m not sure I’d go so far as to say trade Leonard, but it certainly increases my concern with the size and length of his next contract. For all the talk of the high quality locker room and culture Ballard is building, one of its most visible and outspoken leaders is, IMO, showing himself to be both selfish and ignorant. That would concern me when handing out a $90-100m contract. It’s unfortunate but how do you ignore it when you’ve spent 5 years preaching about it. We’ll see how it all plays out but it looks like his “leadership” may have an affect - Colts are at the bottom in vaccination rates.

[Oldcolt]

Anybody is tradable and no one player is that vital. If you got enough, trading anyone on this team is fine with me. I would still want protection for the team if he still refuses to get vaccinated. It is an unnecessary risk for the team to take on someone making that kind of money

[Brylok]

America landed men on the moon 52 years ago this week. Nowdays, we can't even get people to take a vaccine during a pandemic. What a disgrace.

[YDFL Commish]

We have seatbelt laws to improve public safety, we have helmet laws in some states for not only motor bikes, but bicycles as well.

But, yet we can't have laws to get vaccinated to improve public safety. The constitution that we live by actually grants these laws for public safety.

[JAFF]

We have seatbelt laws to improve public safety, we have helmet laws in some states for not only motor bikes, but bicycles as well.

But, yet we can't have laws to get vaccinated to improve public safety. The constitution that we live by actually grants these laws for public safety.

We have laws in place for kids getting about 15 different shots as they move through K - MS. It works because we reach a high % of vaccination that prevents a breakthrough infection, Reich being the example.

If we cant get people to get a covid shot, This virus will dog us until we achieve herd immunity or the virus continues to evolve into a more deadly strain and kills off the unvaccinated until they disappear, and this nation will achieve herd immunity at a horrific cost

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Colts are still in the bottom two.....


https://twitter.com/NickiJhabvala/status/1420046328864952333

As of July 26, Washington had the lowest player vax rate in the NFL, with 60% having received at least one dose, per source. Indy is 2nd-lowest at 63%.

Overall, nearly 84% of NFL players . . . . have received their first dose of vaccine

[rm1369]

Colts are still in the bottom two.....


https://twitter.com/NickiJhabvala/status/1420046328864952333

Good to see such a dedicated group.

I don’t often agree with Michael Irvin but on this I do. Pretty obvious sign to me this team isn’t ready to win yet.

[Oldcolt]

63%? It will be interesting when these guys get in front of reporters and answer why they are not vaccinated. My guess is that those answers will not endear these guys to most of us.

[apballin]

Buckner, Moore, and Hines all stated today they are fully vaccinated

[rcubed]

63%? It will be interesting when these guys get in front of reporters and answer why they are not vaccinated. My guess is that those answers will not endear these guys to most of us.


They might not be allowed to ask those types of questions. HIPPA rules?


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[Butter]

Buckner, Moore, and Hines all stated today they are fully vaccinated

I like those guys.

[Dam8610]

They might not be allowed to ask those types of questions. HIPPA rules?


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Any question can be asked, HIPAA means they don't have to answer. It would be easier if the NFL just put in a vaccine mandate, then if they wanted to play they'd have no choice but to get it.

[HoosierinFL]

They might not be allowed to ask those types of questions. HIPPA rules?


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HIPAA does not apply.

HIPAA only prevents medical providers from disclosing medical information to unauthorized persons. It does not prevent someone from asking about your own medical information.

[Chromeburn]

Any question can be asked, HIPAA means they don't have to answer. It would be easier if the NFL just put in a vaccine mandate, then if they wanted to play they'd have no choice but to get it.

HIPAA has to be one of the most mis-quoted misunderstood things right under freedom of speech. It applies to medical professionals and businesses, they are not allowed to disclose your medical information. They must maintain your privacy. They can share with other professionals if given permission but must maintain security of the info. Finally they must notify you if there is a breach.

It does not apply when say a reporter asks you if you have been vaccinated or not. You don’t have to answer if you don’t want to, but hipaa doesn’t play a part in that.

[rcubed]

HIPAA has to be one of the most mis-quoted misunderstood things right under freedom of speech. It applies to medical professionals and businesses, they are not allowed to disclose your medical information. They must maintain your privacy. They can share with other professionals if given permission but must maintain security of the info. Finally they must notify you if there is a breach.

It does not apply when say a reporter asks you if you have been vaccinated or not. You don’t have to answer if you don’t want to, but hipaa doesn’t play a part in that.
ahh, thanks for the clarification.

[Chromeburn]

Three defensive players on covid list

https://www.stampedeblue.com/platform/amp/2021/7/28/22598402/colts-place-three-defensive-players-on-reserve-covid-19-list?utm_campaign=stampedeblue&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

[JAFF]

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31907066/sources-nationals-phillies-game-postponed-washington-deals-covid-19-outbreak

PHILADELPHIA -- Four Washington Nationals players and eight staffers have tested positive for COVID-19, forcing Major League Baseball to postpone their game against the Philadelphia Phillies on Wednesday night.

The postponement came one day after Nationals All-Star shortstop Trea Turner exited the game against Philadelphia in the first inning following his positive test for the virus.

Washington manager Dave Martinez said Turner was among four players who tested positive. He didn't identify the others.

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The Nationals reached the 85% vaccination threshold for players and other on-field personnel in late May, which allowed for relaxed protocols.

Martinez said he believes only one of the 12 individuals who tested positive is unvaccinated. Sources told ESPN's Jeff Passan that a number of the breakthrough cases came from those given the single-shot Johnson & Johnson vaccine.

The Nationals-Phillies matchup was scheduled to be made up as part of a straight doubleheader on Thursday starting at 12:05 p.m. ET.

This was the ninth MLB game called off this year because of coronavirus concerns. The Nationals had their season-opening series at home against the New York Mets called off because of virus issues.

MLB announced the Nationals-Phillies postponement about 90 minutes before the game was set to begin at Citizens Bank Park, and said the time would allow for "continued testing and contact tracing involving members of the Nationals organization.''

There were 45 MLB games postponed because of the virus last year during the pandemic-shortened season. All but two of them were eventually made up.


All these smart people and they cant figure out masks, distancing and vaccines

[Racehorse]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study

[JAFF]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study

If you are connecting the syphilis study to covid vaccinations you missed the mark by a mile.

[Oldcolt]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study

I don't understand what this has to do with COVID vaccinations. Do you have a point to make?

[Racehorse]

Sorry. Thought I had added to the link. I asked an African American friend of mine about the low rate of vaccinations among the AA community, and he said a lot of them don’t trust any free shot because of this incident. He said it takes time to earn trust back when doctors did this to people in their families. That could be part of why Leonard is reluctant. Sadly, racists in this group will malign the dude without asking for a valid reason. This is considered a valid reason among the community.

[Brylok]

...he said a lot of them don’t trust any free shot because of this incident. He said it takes time to earn trust back when doctors did this to people in their families.

Same thing with Native Americans. I can't say that I blame them. White people have NO excuse.

[JAFF]

Sorry. Thought I had added to the link. I asked an African American friend of mine about the low rate of vaccinations among the AA community, and he said a lot of them don’t trust any free shot because of this incident. He said it takes time to earn trust back when doctors did this to people in their families. That could be part of why Leonard is reluctant. Sadly, racists in this group will malign the dude without asking for a valid reason. This is considered a valid reason among the community.

And I would disagree, since that godawful experiment this country has eliminated polio and mumps/measles from the planet, using vaccinations. We have been vaccinating all children for years with few incidents or problems.

The incident you referenced would be a prime example of critical race theory, but lets not dive into that snake pit.

[Racehorse]

And I would disagree, since that godawful experiment this country has eliminated polio and mumps/measles from the planet, using vaccinations. We have been vaccinating all children for years with few incidents or problems.

The incident you referenced would be a prime example of critical race theory, but lets not dive into that snake pit.

Tell that to those who refuse the vaccine because of it. I bet it falls on deaf ears.

[JAFF]

Tell that to those who refuse the vaccine because of it. I bet it falls on deaf ears.

I tell them to go look at their childrens vaccination record and see if they ever contracted any of those diseases.

And if they suggest it hasnt been given final FDA approval, I would point out that the only people being admitted to hospitals or are dying from Covid are UNVACCINATED.

Ron White is right, you cant fix stupid.

[Racehorse]

I tell them to go look at their childrens vaccination record and see if they ever contracted any of those diseases.

And if they suggest it hasnt been given final FDA approval, I would point out that the only people being admitted to hospitals or are dying from Covid are UNVACCINATED.

Ron White is right, you cant fix stupid.

Must be really racist to call them all stupid.

[Oldcolt]

If you are black and paranoid about white run institutions you have a good grasp of reality.

[Racehorse]

If you are black and paranoid about white run institutions you have a good grasp of reality.

Say it again for Jaff. He is daft.

[JAFF]

Must be really racist to call them all stupid.

Racist? Plenty of stupid people of all colors. Plenty of white dumbasses in IN

[JAFF]

If you are black and paranoid about white run institutions you have a good grasp of reality.

I understand that issue, it does NOT work in a public health emergency. Any person, what ever their sex, color, age, faith have access to a FREE vaccination. A virus doesnt care about politics or history.

Children's hospitals are now reaching max capacity as this virus has mutated, and the mortality rate for that group is rising. The long term effect on children is severe. Those are FACTS, go to the Mayo Clinic web site if you wont believe the CDC or FDA.

http://cid:4C63E079-8F92-4E97-A37F-02E64EF16715

http://cid:8776D703-DF78-4E63-97E4-709F65CF6647

[rm1369]

That could be part of why Leonard is reluctant. Sadly, racists in this group will malign the dude without asking for a valid reason. This is considered a valid reason among the community.

So it COULD be part of the reason, but we are racist if we call out Leonard for an anti vax stance? Get the fuck out of here. Especially coming from someone who it sounds like just found out about one of the many the reasons for the AA communities mistrust. Regardless of whether or not this is part of Leonard’s reluctance, the fact is he is damaging his community. We can guess if it’s out of ignorance, selfishness, or mistrust, but he sure as fuck is not being a leader and should be called out on it. The AA community has been hit hard by COVID and, just like the rest of the US, they need leaders to come out and vocally help encourage people to do what is best for the community. That’s what leaders do. Leonard isn’t being a leader on this team or in his community by holding an ignorant stance regardless of the reason. And he deserves to be called out for it - just like all the ignorant people on the right.

[HoosierinFL]

I don't understand what this has to do with COVID vaccinations. Do you have a point to make?

There are many black people who know the history of their mistreatment at the hands of government and medical authorities. Even though the vaccine is different, black communities remain skeptical and concerned. I know this first hand because many in my wife's family refuse the vaccine on these grounds. It frustrates me but that's their concern.

I'm sure many black athletes have this on their mind.

[Oldcolt]

I understand that issue, it does NOT work in a public health emergency. Any person, what ever their sex, color, age, faith have access to a FREE vaccination. A virus doesnt care about politics or history.

Children's hospitals are now reaching max capacity as this virus has mutated, and the mortality rate for that group is rising. The long term effect on children is severe. Those are FACTS, go to the Mayo Clinic web site if you wont believe the CDC or FDA.

http://cid:4C63E079-8F92-4E97-A37F-02E64EF16715

http://cid:8776D703-DF78-4E63-97E4-709F65CF6647

It is good that you are capable of trust with a group that has fucked you over and over and over again because it is a public health issue. I know nobody else in the world that bases their trust not on the people saying it, but instead based on the fact that is is public health. You have absolute faith in those numbers, some people have legitimate reasons to doubt them. I am guessing that anything that came out of our last presidents mouth was met with skepticism. Why? Because in your mind he had lied about a bunch of things. The same can be said of the US government interactions with our fellow black citizens.

[JAFF]

It is good that you are capable of trust with a group that has fucked you over and over and over again because it is a public health issue. I know nobody else in the world that bases their trust not on the people saying it, but instead based on the fact that is is public health. You have absolute faith in those numbers, some people have legitimate reasons to doubt them. I am guessing that anything that came out of our last presidents mouth was met with skepticism. Why? Because in your mind he had lied about a bunch of things. The same can be said of the US government interactions with our fellow black citizens.

I dont trust politicians. I do believe science, doctors, and the cdc. They have no reason to lie. I also have people I trust in the Indy medical profession. They said get a vaccination and I did. So has my family, children, their spouses. The grandkids will get the vaccine when old enough.

Simple fact staring the unvaccinated is this. Every hospital is reporting that only the unvaccinated are being admitted and are dying of covid. Its that simple. You can hold a grudge and risk your life or save your life.

If that asshat Desantis runs for governer he may not have enough republican votes, since its the far right trump idgits who arent getting the shot. How many Pubs will be scrubbed from the voter lists because they are dead? Fuck the republicans, outlast them.

BTW, I’m a registered republican, but that may change. Its hard to associated with fucking morons

[Oldcolt]

Jaff, I agree with you on all of this. I'm vaccinated as is my entire family. It is my opinion that we need to accept people's reasons for not wanting the vaccine if we are ever going to change their minds. Human's are not always logical, as I am you are well aware. Some 30% of the unvaccinated say they are waiting for full approval. I don't agree but it seems a reasonable stand to take. I apologize to the rest of you freaks about going on about freaking politics. Not the correct forum.

[JAFF]

Jaff, I agree with you on all of this. I'm vaccinated as is my entire family. It is my opinion that we need to accept people's reasons for not wanting the vaccine if we are ever going to change their minds. Human's are not always logical, as I am you are well aware. Some 30% of the unvaccinated say they are waiting for full approval. I don't agree but it seems a reasonable stand to take. I apologize to the rest of you freaks about going on about freaking politics. Not the correct forum.

I understand completely. Covid is becoming more contagious and deadly. I live in a small town and we have had fatalities that could have been avoided. Im sad, angry, and frustrated. I appreciate your insight and your candor, and will keep it in mind inthe future

[Racehorse]

So it COULD be part of the reason, but we are racist if we call out Leonard for an anti vax stance? Get the fuck out of here. Especially coming from someone who it sounds like just found out about one of the many the reasons for the AA communities mistrust. Regardless of whether or not this is part of Leonard’s reluctance, the fact is he is damaging his community. We can guess if it’s out of ignorance, selfishness, or mistrust, but he sure as fuck is not being a leader and should be called out on it. The AA community has been hit hard by COVID and, just like the rest of the US, they need leaders to come out and vocally help encourage people to do what is best for the community. That’s what leaders do. Leonard isn’t being a leader on this team or in his community by holding an ignorant stance regardless of the reason. And he deserves to be called out for it - just like all the ignorant people on the right.

The "racist" accusation was sort of tongue in cheek. However, now you accuse me of just now learning about the Tuskegee Experiment, when you have no clue about me or what I am aware of. I was passing along that this is the reason my friend was reluctant, and may be the reason Leonard is reluctant.

Like someone else said, until people learn to be kind to those who disagree on this issue, nobody will be able to persuade anyone on the issue. We have lost the ability to have a civil debate in this country. Trump can be blamed in part, but this has been going on since the early 2000s.

[rm1369]

The "racist" accusation was sort of tongue in cheek. However, now you accuse me of just now learning about the Tuskegee Experiment, when you have no clue about me or what I am aware of. I was passing along that this is the reason my friend was reluctant, and may be the reason Leonard is reluctant.

Like someone else said, until people learn to be kind to those who disagree on this issue, nobody will be able to persuade anyone on the issue. We have lost the ability to have a civil debate in this country. Trump can be blamed in part, but this has been going on since the early 2000s.

I like how you call others racist “tongue in cheek” but dislike the assumption you may have just learned about the Tuskegee Experiment. And go on to talk about how we lack civility in debate.

[Colts And Orioles]

o


As a white male, I have no idea how hard it is to be Black in our society. They (Black Americans) have to sift through issues with centuries of mistreatment (to put it mildly) from the national, state, and local authorities behind them. And while I believe that the COVID vaccinations are safe and are not a replay of the Tuskegee Syphilis "Study" between 1932 and 1972, I am not going to judge them for being apprehensive about it.

o

[rm1369]

o


As a white male, I have no idea how hard it is to be Black in our society. They (Black Americans) have to sift through issues with centuries of mistreatment (to put it mildly) from the national, state, and local authorities behind them. And while I believe that the COVID vaccinations are safe and are not a replay of the Tuskegee Syphilis "Study" between 1932 and 1972, I am not going to judge them for being apprehensive about it.

o

Certain communities in the US definitely have more reason to be distrustful of the US government than others. That doesn’t change the fact that not getting vaccinated damages those communities. However you shake it, guys like Leonard that are looked up to are doing their communities a disservice by being anti-vax. I can understand why someone is distrustful and yet still judge them for not doing the research. This is a global pandemic. The vaccine is not isolated to the US and being pushed by the government to only or primarily the AA community. It doesn’t take that long to figure out this is something you need to do. Especially when your community has been particularly hard hit. Native Americans have a hell of a lot or reasons to distrust the US government, but they have a relatively high vaccination rate. Leaders within their communities have pushed vaccinations. Leonard is a hell of a football player, but I can still judge him as a leader for the Colts and his community by his actions. Just as I judge Kirk Cousins for his. Both fall way short IMO - regardless of their skin color or their reasons.

[Racehorse]

I like how you call others racist “tongue in cheek” but dislike the assumption you may have just learned about the Tuskegee Experiment. And go on to talk about how we lack civility in debate.

Well, it is what it is. People throw the term around like Santa with candy in a parade, but you took offense when I did it. Such is life in 2021.

[Racehorse]

o


As a white male, I have no idea how hard it is to be Black in our society. They (Black Americans) have to sift through issues with centuries of mistreatment (to put it mildly) from the national, state, and local authorities behind them. And while I believe that the COVID vaccinations are safe and are not a replay of the Tuskegee Syphilis "Study" between 1932 and 1972, I am not going to judge them for being apprehensive about it.

o

Exactly! That was my point, but there are people who take offense at the choice of words and miss the intent completely.

[Racehorse]

Certain communities in the US definitely have more reason to be distrustful of the US government than others. That doesn’t change the fact that not getting vaccinated damages those communities. However you shake it, guys like Leonard that are looked up to are doing their communities a disservice by being anti-vax. I can understand why someone is distrustful and yet still judge them for not doing the research. This is a global pandemic. The vaccine is not isolated to the US and being pushed by the government to only or primarily the AA community. It doesn’t take that long to figure out this is something you need to do. Especially when your community has been particularly hard hit. Native Americans have a hell of a lot or reasons to distrust the US government, but they have a relatively high vaccination rate. Leaders within their communities have pushed vaccinations. Leonard is a hell of a football player, but I can still judge him as a leader for the Colts and his community by his actions. Just as I judge Kirk Cousins for his. Both fall way short IMO - regardless of their skin color or their reasons.
Indians were not given this treatment:
The Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male[1][2][3] (informally referred to as the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment or Tuskegee Syphilis Study) was an ethically abusive study conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the United States Public Health Service (PHS) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).[4][5] The purpose of this study was to observe the natural history of untreated syphilis. Although the African-American men who participated in the study were told that they were receiving free health care from the federal government of the United States, they were not.

Can't you see how this would seem like a similar thing to them?

[rm1369]

Indians were not given this treatment:
The Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male[1][2][3] (informally referred to as the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment or Tuskegee Syphilis Study) was an ethically abusive study conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the United States Public Health Service (PHS) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).[4][5] The purpose of this study was to observe the natural history of untreated syphilis. Although the African-American men who participated in the study were told that they were receiving free health care from the federal government of the United States, they were not.

Can't you see how this would seem like a similar thing to them?

With even a little research, no I can’t understand how Tuskegee looks similar. This is on a global scale and being given to people of all races - not just African Americans. I understand the general distrust with the government and it is unfortunately well earned. However, throwing up your hands and watching your community suffer is not the acceptable answer IMO. Leaders lead. It’s not that hard to understand.

Do you think what he is doing is smart? Do you think it is well informed? And most importantly, do you think it benefits his community? I’m sure Leonard believes he has reasons. Just as Cousins and Beasley do. That doesn’t change the way I will judge all three. They have either not researched it or they have researched it and came to the conclusion it is better to risk Covid. They do this as millionaires with large voices and plenty of access to information. And as guys that will have access to the absolute best health care available if they get sick and with little worry about major medical bills. I judge all three for the harm they are doing. You can give Leonard a pass if you want.

[JAFF]

Indians were not given this treatment:
The Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male[1][2][3] (informally referred to as the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment or Tuskegee Syphilis Study) was an ethically abusive study conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the United States Public Health Service (PHS) and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC).[4][5] The purpose of this study was to observe the natural history of untreated syphilis. Although the African-American men who participated in the study were told that they were receiving free health care from the federal government of the United States, they were not.

Can't you see how this would seem like a similar thing to them?

Go to South Dakota to the Rosebud and/or Wounded Knee reservations. They had their children taken from them and sent to boarding schools to be made civilized. They were exposed to all of the white European diseases, from plague to small pox. Forced onto small tracks of land, these tribes were forced to become welfare groups than the migratory species that they had become to overcome the temperature swings of the great plains.

If you havent been to a western reservation, stop typing

[Racehorse]

With even a little research, no I can’t understand how Tuskegee looks similar. This is on a global scale and being given to people of all races - not just African Americans. I understand the general distrust with the government and it is unfortunately well earned. However, throwing up your hands and watching your community suffer is not the acceptable answer IMO. Leaders lead. It’s not that hard to understand.

Do you think what he is doing is smart? Do you think it is well informed? And most importantly, do you think it benefits his community? I’m sure Leonard believes he has reasons. Just as Cousins and Beasley do. That doesn’t change the way I will judge all three. They have either not researched it or they have researched it and came to the conclusion it is better to risk Covid. They do this as millionaires with large voices and plenty of access to information. And as guys that will have access to the absolute best health care available if they get sick and with little worry about major medical bills. I judge all three for the harm they are doing. You can give Leonard a pass if you want.

I have tried to practice empathy and understanding in how I judge others. That is all I am trying to do here by looking for a way for you guys to show empathy to Leonard. Maybe he has a reason that he sees as valid. Agree or disagree, whichever you choose. I choose to try to find out why.

[Racehorse]

Go to South Dakota to the Rosebud and/or Wounded Knee reservations. They had their children taken from them and sent to boarding schools to be made civilized. They were exposed to all of the white European diseases, from plague to small pox. Forced onto small tracks of land, these tribes were forced to become welfare groups than the migratory species that they had become to overcome the temperature swings of the great plains.

If you havent been to a western reservation, stop typing

While I am sympathetic to their plight, I do not see the correlation. What was done to them was horrible. However, Blacks were sold a free treatment, which was actually not treatment, but an experiment. They were turned into guinea pigs, for Christ's sake. The diseases Native Americans contracted were not transmitted with intent. Apples and oranges situations here.

[rm1369]

I have tried to practice empathy and understanding in how I judge others. That is all I am trying to do here by looking for a way for you guys to show empathy to Leonard. Maybe he has a reason that he sees as valid. Agree or disagree, whichever you choose. I choose to try to find out why.

I have no empathy towards Leonard in this regard. And I see no reason he needs it. His decision will likely cause him to suffer little more than judgement by some like me. Maybe he’ll get a lot of people angry if he misses a football game. I’ll save my empathy for the people who lack the resources of Leonard, Cousins, or Beasley who follow their lead and will actually suffer real world consequences.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

The Colts are now at least 75% vaccinated - all NFL teams have hit that benchmark.

Nearly half the teams have achieved a 95% vaccination rate.


https://twitter.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1426512651182612481

All 32 NFL teams now have above 75% vaccination rate, per source.

*28 teams above 85%
*25 teams above 90%
*15 teams above 95%

[nate505]

It is good that you are capable of trust with a group that has fucked you over and over and over again because it is a public health issue. I know nobody else in the world that bases their trust not on the people saying it, but instead based on the fact that is is public health. You have absolute faith in those numbers, some people have legitimate reasons to doubt them. I am guessing that anything that came out of our last presidents mouth was met with skepticism. Why? Because in your mind he had lied about a bunch of things. The same can be said of the US government interactions with our fellow black citizens.

Like I understand that position, but I'm really glad it wasn't widespread when the polio and smallpox vaccines were around, and I'm really glad a bunch of kids don't have to suffer with it anymore.

[Chromeburn]

With even a little research, no I can’t understand how Tuskegee looks similar. This is on a global scale and being given to people of all races - not just African Americans. I understand the general distrust with the government and it is unfortunately well earned. However, throwing up your hands and watching your community suffer is not the acceptable answer IMO. Leaders lead. It’s not that hard to understand.

Do you think what he is doing is smart? Do you think it is well informed? And most importantly, do you think it benefits his community? I’m sure Leonard believes he has reasons. Just as Cousins and Beasley do. That doesn’t change the way I will judge all three. They have either not researched it or they have researched it and came to the conclusion it is better to risk Covid. They do this as millionaires with large voices and plenty of access to information. And as guys that will have access to the absolute best health care available if they get sick and with little worry about major medical bills. I judge all three for the harm they are doing. You can give Leonard a pass if you want.


Its not about whether the situations look similar, it about the govt performing an atrocious experiment on a specific group. One with a history of abuse. They have little trust in the govt. You could say they are getting the same vaccine, but they could say how do we know that for sure.

[Colts And Orioles]

It's not about whether the situations look similar, it about the government performing an atrocious experiment on a specific group. One with a history of abuse. They have little trust in the government. You could say that they are getting the same vaccine, but they could say how do we know that for sure.



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No really, you can trust me this time ...... I swear, I'm going to hold the ball in place for you.



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[JAFF]

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No really, you can trust me this time ...... I swear, I'm going to hold the ball in place for you.



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I am sorry, but things have changed. The doctors and health professionals have no reason to lie. Covid is killing humans of all races, sexes, and beliefs. And now the childhood fatality rate is climbing at an increasing rate. 623,000 dead Americans, and climbing. More than all combat dead of WW 2 and WW1.

[Colts And Orioles]

I am sorry, but things have changed. The doctors and health professionals have no reason to lie. Covid is killing humans of all races, sexes, and beliefs. And now the childhood fatality rate is climbing at an increasing rate. 623,000 dead Americans, and climbing. More than all combat dead of WW 2 and WW1.




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Things have changed. That doesn't necessarily alter the perception of the U.S. Government by Black Americans.

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[JAFF]

Its not about whether the situations look similar, it about the govt performing an atrocious experiment on a specific group. One with a history of abuse. They have little trust in the govt. You could say they are getting the same vaccine, but they could say how do we know that for sure.

Really? Well, right now the only group of people who are getting hospitalizes and/ or DYING are UNVACCINATED.

Look at any infection graph and the number of infections started dropping at an increased rate when the vaccine was made available. Now, only those to stubborn or stupid will be hospitalized or die. Survival of the fittest, were intellect and reason give a group an advantage


Ron White: You cant fix stupid

[rm1369]

Its not about whether the situations look similar, it about the govt performing an atrocious experiment on a specific group. One with a history of abuse. They have little trust in the govt. You could say they are getting the same vaccine, but they could say how do we know that for sure.

Let’s be clear who the “they” is. Are you referring to the black community in general? Then yes, I agree and understand why some may be skeptical. However if you are referring to multi-million dollar professional athletes then no, I don’t get it - even if they are also part of the black community.

I’ll ask you the same questions I did Racehorse:

1) do you think it’s a smart decision?
2) do you think it’s an informed decision?
3) do you think it helps his community? (Either of them, but especially the black community)

The answers for me are all easily “no”. There is no excuse for that, IMO, for a guy with the resources available to Leonard. I personally see no way a person of Leonard’s means could research it and come to the conclusion it’s best for his community to not get vaccinated (or that everyone else should but not him). Hell of a player, just not the kind of man I’d call a leader. Maybe he doesn’t want to be one in the community and that’s fine. Michael Jordan prioritized money over his community. I’m sure he doesn’t worry about what people like me think about that. I’m sure Leonard won’t either. I just wonder how many Colts fans will defend his reasons if it costs the Colts games.

[Chromeburn]

Really? Well, right now the only group of people who are getting hospitalizes and/ or DYING are UNVACCINATED.

Look at any infection graph and the number of infections started dropping at an increased rate when the vaccine was made available. Now, only those to stubborn or stupid will be hospitalized or die. Survival of the fittest, were intellect and reason give a group an advantage


Ron White: You cant fix stupid

I’m in Florida right now. I am all too familiar with it. I’m not saying it’s right. But it’s a very different situation than the idiots running around who won’t get vaxed to own the libs.

[Chromeburn]

Let’s be clear who the “they” is. Are you referring to the black community in general? Then yes, I agree and understand why some may be skeptical. However if you are referring to multi-million dollar professional athletes then no, I don’t get it - even if they are also part of the black community.

I’ll ask you the same questions I did Racehorse:

1) do you think it’s a smart decision?
2) do you think it’s an informed decision?
3) do you think it helps his community? (Either of them, but especially the black community)

The answers for me are all easily “no”. There is no excuse for that, IMO, for a guy with the resources available to Leonard. I personally see no way a person of Leonard’s means could research it and come to the conclusion it’s best for his community to not get vaccinated (or that everyone else should but not him). Hell of a player, just not the kind of man I’d call a leader. Maybe he doesn’t want to be one in the community and that’s fine. Michael Jordan prioritized money over his community. I’m sure he doesn’t worry about what people like me think about that. I’m sure Leonard won’t either. I just wonder how many Colts fans will defend his reasons if it costs the Colts games.

I’m talking about the black community. I don’t know Leonard’s specific motivations.

It doesn’t matter what my answers are. I’m not black nor an athlete. Education doesn’t seem to protect people from the propaganda. This group of doctors part of the frontline they call themselves are anti vax.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

The Falcons are the first team to reach a 100% vaccination rate. I thought Kansas City had the inside track - about a month ago, Andy Reid had commented that they were over 90% but they must have a few players that are firm no's.


https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1427390460692254722

The Falcons have been leaders on vaccinations from the jump—and now they've announced they're the first team in the NFL to have a 100% vaccination rate. Good work by everyone there.

Coach Arthur Smith's approach was to give guys the info, not pressure them. It worked.

https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1427390844559101962

QB Matt Ryan deserves credit, too. He was an early adopter, and QBs jumping on the train early has proven to be an effective motivator for teammates to get the shots. And he also made himself available to the other guys who had questions on it.

[nate505]

The Falcons are the first team to reach a 100% vaccination rate. I thought Kansas City had the inside track - about a month ago, Andy Reid had commented that they were over 90% but they must have a few players that are firm no's.


https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1427390460692254722



https://twitter.com/AlbertBreer/status/1427390844559101962
He's the anti-dumbass Kirk Cousins.

Though the way Cousins was able to rob/fool teams for so much money over the years does make me take back the dumbass comment a bit.