2021 NFL Draft thread - Day 1 discussion

[Puck]

Sure hope the coaches can unlock the traits. He had 11.5 sacks in 4 years at Michigan.


He also played multiple positions on the DLine and was their best DLineman. He faced double and triple teams every freakin play.


We had next to no pass rush last yr. It's fixed now or at least addressed.


You are over rating Jenkins He may still be there at 54. Either way In your scenario You would have reached for Jenkins there and missed on any possibility of an edge rush. Now we have the edge and can look for OT later and the combination is MUCH better doing it this way

My guess there will be at least 3 good OT at 54

[Thorgrim]

I wonder if Ballard will move up in the second


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My thought as well.

[Maniac]

Polian said never pass up a pass rusher or a quarterback.

That makes no sense.

[Dam8610]

I will say this: I hated the Nelson pick for positional value, but still thought he would be a good player. I just hate this pick. I hate it, and there's no other way to put it. There goes Darrisaw to the Vikings at 23, and here comes Jenkins to the Steelers to maul Paye for the next three years at 24.

[Ironshaft]

I wonder if Ballard will move up in the second


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Using what?

A next year pick? That is the only ammo he has.

[njcoltfan]

How do you leave Teven Jenkins and Christian Darrisaw on the board there? Hope the DL coach can unlock all those traits Paye has, but not holding out much hope. If you're going EDGE, why on Earth would you take Paye over Ojulari?! Now watch the Titans take Ojulari and the Steelers take Jenkins. Because everything always sucks in the draft.

They better get a tackle to protect Wentz, the more he gets hit the more he throws to the wrong colored jersey!! I guess Ballard has given up on Bonago! Could have had one of the best tackles in the draft, but will have to settle for what ever is left with our next pick.

[Dam8610]

He also played multiple positions on the DLine and was their best DLineman. He faced double and triple teams every freakin play.


We had next to no pass rush last yr. It's fixed now or at least addressed.


You are over rating Jenkins He may still be there at 54. Either way In your scenario You would have reached for Jenkins there and missed on any possibility of an edge rush. Now we have the edge and can look for OT later and the combination is MUCH better doing it this way

My guess there will be at least 3 good OT at 54

Payton Turner, who will likely be better than Paye, will likely be on the board at 54. Teven Jenkins will not.

[Luck4Reich]

Ballard likes Team Captains:cool:

[Butter]

I will say this: I hated the Nelson pick for positional value, but still thought he would be a good player. I just hate this pick. I hate it, and there's no other way to put it. There goes Darrisaw to the Vikings at 23, and here comes Jenkins to the Steelers to maul Paye for the next three years at 24.

Wrong najee Harris

[CaliColtsFan]

Kwitty !!

[Dam8610]

They better get a tackle to protect Wentz, the more he gets hit the more he throws to the wrong colored jersey!! I guess Ballard has given up on Bonago! Could have had one of the best tackles in the draft, but will have to settle for what ever is left with our next pick.

The only positive about this is that a LOT of OTs are falling, enough that a good one (my guess being Radunz) will likely be there at 54. But give me Teven Jenkins and Payton Turner over Quitty Paye and Dillon Radunz.

[Butter]

That makes no sense.

It does, but you are simple and do not understand nuance.

[Oldcolt]

Polian felt that pass rushers and quarterback were the two most difficult positions to fill on a team. If you thought you had a good one he felt that you took them.

[Dam8610]

Wrong najee Harris

Oh. Good. They got Jerome Bettis with speed and receiving ability. That's much better than them getting Jenkins.

[Dam8610]

Top 10 of Round 2 will be OT run extreme.

[Butter]

Oh. Good. They got Jerome Bettis with speed and receiving ability. That's much better than them getting Jenkins.

Lol, this much butt hurt is weird. Did you want us to take harris so they couldn't?

[Luck4Reich]

Polian felt that pass rushers and quarterback were the two most difficult positions to fill on a team. If you thought you had a good one he felt that you took them.

Most of us understood you.;)

[Maniac]

It does, but you are simple and do not understand nuance.

He was high when he said that! That's like saying if you ain't first you're last. That makes no sense at all. You can be 2nd, 3rd, 4th, hell, you can even be 5th!

[rcubed]

I was initially disappointed but pucks probably right. We needed pressure and addressed that. OT is deep in this draft so we knew this was a good possibility.


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[Dam8610]

Lol, this much butt hurt is wierd.

Not butthurt. I just watched Najee Harris play. Would you prefer Derrick Henry with better speed and receiving ability? It's kind of the same thing, Bettis just fit the Steelers theme better. Najee is huge, fast, and runs routes and catches the ball like a WR.

[Puck]

The only positive about this is that a LOT of OTs are falling, enough that a good one (my guess being Radunz) will likely be there at 54. But give me Teven Jenkins and Payton Turner over Quitty Paye and Dillon Radunz.

Guess why they are falling? They are not the BPA on the boards!!!!!


Anyway I trust Ballards opinion over yours

[Dam8610]

The Ravens are the best drafting organization in football, here comes Jenkins or Ojulari.

[Dam8610]

Guess why they are falling? They are not the BPA on the boards!!!!!


Anyway I trust Ballards opinion over yours

I hope he's right, but I don't see how. As someone said earlier, Ballard has a tendency to fall in love with traits too much on Edge rushers, like Turay and Banogu.

[Luck4Reich]

The Ravens are the best drafting organization in football, here comes Jenkins or Ojulari.

You sound like a huge Steelers/Ravens fan in this thread:D

[Butter]

Not butthurt. I just watched Najee Harris play. Would you prefer Derrick Henry with better speed and receiving ability? It's kind of the same thing, Bettis just fit the Steelers theme better. Najee is huge, fast, and runs routes and catches the ball like a WR.

What? You make no sense. you were bitching about the Steelers taking going to take Jenkins and I pointed out they took Harris instead. You are crackers man.

[Puck]

The Ravens are the best drafting organization in football, here comes Jenkins or Ojulari.

They'll take JOK

[Butter]

He was high when he said that! That's like saying if you ain't first you're last. That makes no sense at all. You can be 2nd, 3rd, 4th, hell, you can even be 5th!

Because you do not understand nuance, you are taking a general statement too literal.

[nate505]

For fucks sake dam.


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Remember, that scrub Taylor was off his list because he fumbled too much.

[Spike]

Wow! Leatherwood! Huge favor by the Raiders.

Raiders are dumb as hell.

[Maniac]

Because you do not understand nuance, you are taking a general statement to literal.

I understood it just fine, I took it literal on purpose to joke around. Lighten up Francis.

[Dam8610]

What? You make no sense. you were bitching about the Steelers taking going to take Jenkins and I pointed out they took Harris instead. You are crackers man.

"They had an opportunity to get Joe Thomas, but they got Marshall Faulk instead". How is that better?

[Butter]

I understood it just fine, I took it literal on purpose to joke around. Lighten up Francis.

I doubt it, you have always seemed simple.

[Butter]

"They had an opportunity to get Joe Thomas, but they got Marshall Faulk instead". How is that better?

It isn't and has nothing to do with the point or discussion we were having.

[CaliColtsFan]

I knew there'd be a commercial break before our pick. NFL doesn't like us anymore.

Yep.

[Maniac]

I doubt it, you have always seemed simple.

Look at the guy who didn't recognize sarcasm and a joking second response is now making personal attacks :rolleyes:

[Dam8610]

Remember, that scrub Taylor was off his list because he fumbled too much.

Because he didn't fumble away the Ravens game? I told you all he would fumble away a key game as a rookie. I'll admit Rathman fixed a lot of his issues with fumbling, but the fumble issues did show up in a key moment.

[Luck4Reich]

The Ravens are the best drafting organization in football, here comes Jenkins or Ojulari.

Let's hear the Bateman comparison now:D

[Puck]

I hope the Packers take a QB. HAHAHA

[Butter]

Look at the guy who didn't recognize sarcasm and a joking second response is now making personal attacks :rolleyes:

Ok clown.

[Dam8610]

Let's hear the Bateman comparison now:D

Haven't really watched Bateman, watched mostly QBs until the Wentz trade, then OTs and EDGEs. Saw a lot of Najee in last year's film and while watching Mac Jones.

[Maniac]

Ok clown.

A moderator making repeated personal attacks huh?

Ok Douche Baggins.

[CaliColtsFan]

Annual commercial during the Colts pick. I’m surprised they even announce it.

Every year!

[Oldcolt]

Ballard continues to build the locker room with Payne. High caliber person and freakish athlete. Will be interesting. None of the tackles were taken right after us validating Ballard passing on them, at least the professionals seem to agree.

[Dam8610]

It isn't and has nothing to do with the point or discussion we were having.

We were having a discussion? I was just frustrated about drafting the trait guy with no production and no explanation for it on the tape.

[Dam8610]

Holy shit NO got a much better EDGE 7 picks later.

[Butter]

We were having a discussion? I was just frustrated about drafting the trait guy with no production and no explanation for it on the tape.

Well, it was a reply you made to a comment I made, so I think that would be a discussion?

[Dam8610]

GB being confusing and refusing to give Rodgers a WR again.

[Butter]

GB being confusing and refusing to give Rodgers a WR again.

GB is Insane.

[nate505]

Because he didn't fumble away the Ravens game? I told you all he would fumble away a key game as a rookie. I'll admit Rathman fixed a lot of his issues with fumbling, but the fumble issues did show up in a key moment.

Ha, he had one fumble in the 2021 season and you're finding a way to bash him about fucking fumbling. Hilarious. And at that point the fumble made the game 7-7 in the 1st quarter, but that's "fumbling away the game." Yeah, sure.

[Dam8610]

Well, it was a reply you made to a comment I made, so I think that would be a discussion?

I don't know. Just...Quitty? Really? I hope the traits work out.

[Butter]

I don't know. Just...Quitty? Really? I hope the traits work out.

Well, clearly we all do. I also was not thrilled we picked him over an LT. But the dialog we had was not about that in any way.

[Dam8610]

Ha, he had one fumble in the 2021 season and you're finding a way to bash him about fucking fumbling. Hilarious. And at that point the fumble made the game 7-7 in the 1st quarter, but that's "fumbling away the game." Yeah, sure.

Chuck Clark 65 yard fumble return. They were at the 35. That play was a 10 point swing in the game.

[Spike]

I fucking LOVE it

#1 Edge rush in the draft The remaining OT's are all about the same and can be had at 54 or maybe later

The voice of reason is Puck and Ballard. Defense is damn important too and the Colts will still have a chance at a damn good offensive lineman in the 2nd round. So many of the offensive linemen left are basically the same. Damn good pick. Kudos to Ballard on this pick. He will address the left tackle position. Love this pick, calm down Colt fans.

[Mr. Session]

Eh, I don’t get it.

I don’t like his tape. He’s athletic, I’ll concede that, but so is everyone at the NFL level. His size isn’t exceptional, I see no real pass rush tools...

Again, I don’t get it. If they were fucked because no trade offers made sense, draft the Tackle and just run with the pass rushers we have. Nothing about this kid’s tape convinces me on a meaningful level he can contribute next year.

I’m not comfortable with it but will be pleased if I find out my football scouting skills are worse than I thought.

[Luck4Reich]

Holy shit NO got a much better EDGE 7 picks later.

Just giving you a hard time here.... But...

You pointed out Paye only had 11.5 sacks


That much better Edge NO got had 9.5.... in 4 years as well. Maybe I read that wrong:cool:

[Dam8610]

Looking at Paye's RAS page is just as depressing. Great 40 time, but only slightly above average 10 split. Above average explosion. Elite strength. Average length. No production.

[Dam8610]

Just giving you a hard time here.... But...

You pointed out Paye only had 11.5 sacks


That much better Edge NO got had 9.5.... in 4 years as well. Maybe I read that wrong:cool:

Bigger, longer, and faster. If you wanted a ball of traits, Turner's a better ball of traits.

[Mr. Session]

Looking at Paye's RAS page is just as depressing. Great 40 time, but only slightly above average 10 split. Above average explosion. Elite strength. Average length. No production.

Where is the strength on tape?

Penn State and Minnesota pushed his shit in the whole game.

He did heat up against Minnesota but it was all finesse and hustle.

[nate505]

Chuck Clark 65 yard fumble return. They were at the 35. That play was a 10 point swing in the game.

Yes. In the 1st quarter. They had 3 quarters to make it up. They didn't. They were outplayed as a team. He didn't cost them the game.

And that was his only fumble the whole season. That's it. He had the 3rd most yards in the NFL (despite being in the dog house for many games) and had a whopping one fumble.

[Dam8610]

Where is the strength on tape?

Penn State and Minnesota pushed his shit in the whole game.

He did heat up against Minnesota but it was all finesse and hustle.

Oh I'm not defending him in any way, you're absolutely right. I was pointing to his RAS score of 9.95 for DEs on bench.

Yes. In the 1st quarter. They had 3 quarters to make it up. They didn't. They were outplayed as a team. He didn't cost them the game.

That play swung the entire momentum of the game. 10-0 is a much different place to be in against a team like the Ravens than 7-7.

[Dam8610]

Oh look, the Ravens take the best trait ball EDGE in the class in Oweh.

[Dam8610]

In fact I was just watching that Penn State tape Mr. Session referenced, couldn't help but laugh when I saw Paye take a few chop steps against a run play, then just stand there and let the RB run by him. That's not the tape of a first rounder.

[Puck]

Payton Turner, who will likely be better than Paye, will likely be on the board at 54. Teven Jenkins will not.

Turner gone . Jenkins still available

[Dam8610]

No rush plan. No moves. Absolutely none. Just run into the guy and hope you can shed him without handfighting at all somehow.

[Dam8610]

Turner gone . Jenkins still available

Jenkins won't be there at 54.

[Spike]

Oh look, the Ravens take the best trait ball EDGE in the class in Oweh.

Wrong, just fucking wrong. Dam, I hate telling you how wrong you are regarding these draft picks are. You thought Mac Jones was the best QB and yet he was the 5th QB taken. Paye is better than Oweh, period, end of the story. Just keep watching son. If the Colts would have taken Oweh over Paye, I would have been one of the most pissed off Colts fans on the planet.

[Puck]

Looking at Paye's RAS page is just as depressing. Great 40 time, but only slightly above average 10 split. Above average explosion. Elite strength. Average length. No production.

Did you see Ojulari RAS?

https://relativeathleticscores.com/ras-information/?PlayerID=19587

You said he was better than Paye

Also did you see Paye's 3 cone?

https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1375431381464068098?s=20

How about this?

https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1387963399758299136?s=20

[Puck]

Jenkins won't be there at 54.

You said we could take Jenkins and Turner at 54. The DE's are in higher demand that the OT's for a reason. They are better players

[Puck]

Oh look, the Ravens take the best trait ball EDGE in the class in Oweh.

How many sacks did Oweh have last yr? Since your all about production?

Let me help. ZERO!!!!!!!

[Butter]

A moderator making repeated personal attacks huh?

Ok Douche Baggins.

This is a moderator not abusing his power by banning a worthless poster.

[Puck]

FWIW.

this was posted at 9 am this morning

https://twitter.com/ForTheCOLTure/status/1387756115669176320?s=20


Luke Diamond
@ForTheCOLTure
Here’s what I’m hearing at 21... It sounds like it’s Kwity Paye or trade back, unfortunately for the Colts I THINK Paye will be off the board before 21 but on a positive note we enter the draft with 6 picks and trading back will be a great opportunity to recoup some picks.

So there was not a chance of them taking an OT or any other player today

[Dam8610]

Wrong, just fucking wrong. Dam, I hate telling you how wrong you are regarding these draft picks are. You thought Mac Jones was the best QB and yet he was the 5th QB taken. Paye is better than Oweh, period, end of the story. Just keep watching son. If the Colts would have taken Oweh over Paye, I would have been one of the most pissed off Colts fans on the planet.

You should be pissed off about Paye. He sucks. He's straight up athletic traits with no idea how to play DE, and he's not even the best player in this draft in that category. Oweh ran a 4.37 with a 1.59 10 split. His 3 cone time is 6.9 and his vert and broad are far superior to Paye. He didn't put up as many reps of 225. Neither Paye nor Oweh currently have any idea how pass rushing works. Oweh's way more likely to get it because he's longer, faster, and more explosive. It doesn't matter where a player is drafted, or how many were drafted at his position in front of him. To your point on QBs, Joe Montana wasn't even a first rounder and was the 4th QB taken in his class, he did pretty okay. You know who else was the 5th QB taken in their class? Dan Marino, he turned out pretty okay, too.

Did you see Ojulari RAS?

https://relativeathleticscores.com/ras-information/?PlayerID=19587

You said he was better than Paye

Also did you see Paye's 3 cone?

https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1375431381464068098?s=20

How about this?

https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1387963399758299136?s=20

Ojulari has a rush plan on any given play and absolutely demolished the 17th pick in the 2021 NFL Draft, go watch the game if you'd like. I don't care that his RAS is lower mostly because of his size and bench scores. I didn't, and still haven't, seen Paye's 3 cone time, because I can't find it anywhere, but I highly doubt it was better than Oweh's 6.9.

You said we could take Jenkins and Turner at 54. The DE's are in higher demand that the OT's for a reason. They are better players

I don't understand the reluctance of teams to take OTs in this draft, but I am certain it is not a talent gap. This is the best OT class by far in some time.

[Dam8610]

FWIW.

this was posted at 9 am this morning

https://twitter.com/ForTheCOLTure/status/1387756115669176320?s=20




So there was not a chance of them taking an OT or any other player today

That's so disappointing. How could they watch tape of him doing the patented Zach Allen "bull rush" over and over again and think "That guy is the only guy worth drafting at 21"? Have the Colts lost any scouts between this year and last?

[Dam8610]

How many sacks did Oweh have last yr? Since your all about production?

Let me help. ZERO!!!!!!!

Cool. I said Oweh was better at being a ball of traits with no production than Paye. Sounds like that fits exactly with what I said. Neither Oweh nor Paye currently knows how to pass rush. Oweh just has a bunch more traits that make him more likely to succeed at it. Namely he's longer, faster, and more explosive.

[smitty46953]

Kwity Payes 3 cone was 6.37 :cool:

[Puck]

You should be pissed off about Paye. He sucks. He's straight up athletic traits with no idea how to play DE, and he's not even the best player in this draft in that category. Oweh ran a 4.37 with a 1.59 10 split. His 3 cone time is 6.9 and his vert and broad are far superior to Paye. He didn't put up as many reps of 225. Neither Paye nor Oweh currently have any idea how pass rushing works. Oweh's way more likely to get it because he's longer, faster, and more explosive. It doesn't matter where a player is drafted, or how many were drafted at his position in front of him. To your point on QBs, Joe Montana wasn't even a first rounder and was the 4th QB taken in his class, he did pretty okay. You know who else was the 5th QB taken in their class? Dan Marino, he turned out pretty okay, too.



Ojulari has a rush plan on any given play and absolutely demolished the 17th pick in the 2021 NFL Draft, go watch the game if you'd like. I don't care that his RAS is lower mostly because of his size and bench scores. I didn't, and still haven't, seen Paye's 3 cone time, because I can't find it anywhere, but I highly doubt it was better than Oweh's 6.9.



I don't understand the reluctance of teams to take OTs in this draft, but I am certain it is not a talent gap. This is the best OT class by far in some time.

Tom Barnett
@tbarnett91
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Jan 21
Video of Kwity Paye's legendary 3 cone drill just surfaced and it's amazing. His time of 6.37 seconds would be the second greatest in combine history (Jordan Thomas, 6.28). Wish we could see him run the drill laser timed at this year's NFL Combine.

https://twitter.com/hiddenzay/status/1352373808842346496?s=20

[Dam8610]

Kwity Payes 3 cone was 6.37 :cool:

Is that an official time? Because that sounds like a scout slipped and hit his stopwatch too early. For reference, Jacob Harris's 6.51 3 cone time put him at a 9.95 at the WR position for 3 cone times. 6.37 would be unheard of historically good for someone of Paye's size, and I would want to see something that could verify it to believe that. That's a top 1% 3 cone time at WR, DEs don't do that.

[Dam8610]

https://twitter.com/hiddenzay/status/1352373808842346496?s=20

Has the guy who does frame analysis on drill times verified that time? That doesn't seem believable to me.

[Puck]

You should be pissed off about Paye. He sucks. He's straight up athletic traits with no idea how to play DE, and he's not even the best player in this draft in that category. Oweh ran a 4.37 with a 1.59 10 split. His 3 cone time is 6.9 and his vert and broad are far superior to Paye. He didn't put up as many reps of 225. Neither Paye nor Oweh currently have any idea how pass rushing works. Oweh's way more likely to get it because he's longer, faster, and more explosive. It doesn't matter where a player is drafted, or how many were drafted at his position in front of him. To your point on QBs, Joe Montana wasn't even a first rounder and was the 4th QB taken in his class, he did pretty okay. You know who else was the 5th QB taken in their class? Dan Marino, he turned out pretty okay, too.



Ojulari has a rush plan on any given play and absolutely demolished the 17th pick in the 2021 NFL Draft, go watch the game if you'd like. I don't care that his RAS is lower mostly because of his size and bench scores. I didn't, and still haven't, seen Paye's 3 cone time, because I can't find it anywhere, but I highly doubt it was better than Oweh's 6.9.



I don't understand the reluctance of teams to take OTs in this draft, but I am certain it is not a talent gap. This is the best OT class by far in some time.

You're making my point Dam. There are a lot more quality OT's than there were/are edge rush. So if you don't take the edge when they are available then you're probably not getting one. BUT there will be plenty of OT's available because the class is deep.


And if you read what I posted earlier. Word was that the only player Ballard was interested in in round 1 was Paye. If he wasn't there they were trading back. Then the report came out that Paye was the #1 player on the Colts board.

This is really not that difficult.

[Dam8610]

You're making my point Dam. There are a lot more quality OT's than there were/are edge rush. So if you don't take the edge when they are available then you're probably not getting one. BUT there will be plenty of OT's available because the class is deep.


And if you read what I posted earlier. Word was that the only player Ballard was interested in in round 1 was Paye. If he wasn't there they were trading back. Then the report came out that Paye was the #1 player on the Colts board.

This is really not that difficult.

What's difficult for me is how do you draft a pass rusher who doesn't know how to pass rush? And if you're going for the traits, why not get the guy with the 35 inch arms who is faster, quicker, and more explosive? That could be either of Turner or Oweh.

[Puck]

What's difficult for me is how do you draft a pass rusher who doesn't know how to pass rush? And if you're going for the traits, why not get the guy with the 35 inch arms who is faster, quicker, and more explosive? That could be either of Turner or Oweh.

Dam. you do this every yr. Last yr you HATED the JT pick. You were wrong and I suspect you'll be wrong again this yr. But seriously every year you hate the picks.

Ballard really does know what he's doing. JSYK

[ukcolt]

I watch a lot of Chris Simms' unbuttoned podcasts, and he has been going through his player rankings the past month or so. He is really high on Kwity Paye and has him as his No. 2 edge guy and thought that he was a top 15 guy. He says he is not the guy who is likely to be the speed rusher causing huge problems on the outside for the offensive tackle. But he is the strongest upper body guy, and someone who disrupts almost every play. Sack production is not everything, sacks are hugely over rated in my opinion, if you have forced the QB to make a decision quicker than he originally wanted to, that is a win, as more often than not it will cause an incompletion, or at least a completion for less yards than it could have been. He will also be a guy who will hold up against the run and help tremendously against the likes of Derrick Henry and Najee Harris. I like Paye and think he will fit this defense perfectly. He replaces Autry's role in the defense last year.

[JAFF]

You should be pissed off about Paye. He sucks. He's straight up athletic traits with no idea how to play DE, and he's not even the best player in this draft in that category. Oweh ran a 4.37 with a 1.59 10 split. His 3 cone time is 6.9 and his vert and broad are far superior to Paye. He didn't put up as many reps of 225. Neither Paye nor Oweh currently have any idea how pass rushing works. Oweh's way more likely to get it because he's longer, faster, and more explosive. It doesn't matter where a player is drafted, or how many were drafted at his position in front of him. To your point on QBs, Joe Montana wasn't even a first rounder and was the 4th QB taken in his class, he did pretty okay. You know who else was the 5th QB taken in their class? Dan Marino, he turned out pretty okay, too.



Ojulari has a rush plan on any given play and absolutely demolished the 17th pick in the 2021 NFL Draft, go watch the game if you'd like. I don't care that his RAS is lower mostly because of his size and bench scores. I didn't, and still haven't, seen Paye's 3 cone time, because I can't find it anywhere, but I highly doubt it was better than Oweh's 6.9.



I don't understand the reluctance of teams to take OTs in this draft, but I am certain it is not a talent gap. This is the best OT class by far in some time.


When the NFL starts having a cone drill during the game, And then they start to have a track meet, some of those numbers might mean something

[IndyNorm]

Holy shit NO got a much better EDGE 7 picks later.

I'm not so sure that NO did, but Buffalo appears to have. Rousseau only played 1 year since he sat out this past year due to COVID, but damn did he produce in that one year: 15.5 sacks and 19.5 TFL. Compare that to Paye who had 11.5 sacks and 23.5 TFL in his entire collegiate career. WTF Ballard? If we were going to draft an EDGE project then why not draft one who has proven he can produce at a high level??

[IndyNorm]

Ballard continues to build the locker room with Payne. High caliber person and freakish athlete. Will be interesting. None of the tackles were taken right after us validating Ballard passing on them, at least the professionals seem to agree.

Darrisaw was taken 2 picks after ours. Hopefully Paye works out, but most of us would be a lot happier if we had drafted a day 1 starter at LT rather than a project at EDGE with our 1st rounder.

[Luck4Reich]

I'm not so sure that NO did, but Buffalo appears to have. Rousseau only played 1 year since he sat out this past year due to COVID, but damn did he produce in that one year: 15.5 sacks and 19.5 TFL. Compare that to Paye who had 11.5 sacks and 23.5 TFL in his entire collegiate career. WTF Ballard? If we were going to draft an EDGE project then why not draft one who has proven he can produce at a high level??

It will be fun going back and reading this thread after he has a stand out year with our Defense.. Quit putting so much stock in Sacks... He was very disruptive. Like others have already said already.

[njcoltfan]

Darrisaw was taken 2 picks after ours. Hopefully Paye works out, but most of us would be a lot happier if we had drafted a day 1 starter at LT rather than a project at EDGE with our 1st rounder.

I for one would have been !! The Colts now have 3 pojects/prospects to rush the passer, but no quality protector for Wentz's blindside, it will be a long year if they don't get one !

[IndyNorm]

It will be fun going back and reading this thread after he has a stand out year with our Defense.. Quit putting so much stock in Sacks... He was very disruptive. Like others have already said already.

I certainly hope that you're right, and we'll obviously see how it goes. If I were to make a wager though, I'd definitely put my money on Rousseau being better.

[Luck4Reich]

I certainly hope that you're right, and we'll obviously see how it goes. If I were to make a wager though, I'd definitely put my money on Rousseau being better.

A lot of people would have put money on other Linebackers being better than Leonard when Ballard drafted him.

[IndyNorm]

A lot of people would have put money on other Linebackers being better than Leonard when Ballard drafted him.

Apples and oranges. Leonard was highly production in college, although against FCS competition:

He became one of the nation's most productive players, starting all 43 games in his collegiate career while racking up 394 tackles (54 for loss), 22 sacks, eight forced fumbles, six interceptions and 13 passes defensed. He was named the MEAC's defensive player of the year in 2016 and 2017.

http://hosted.stats.com/nfldraft/players.asp?id=235682

[Oldcolt]

I love all the definitive statements about Paye and this draft so far. Is he polished, no-the Colts are never (hopefully) be in a position to draft a polished pass rusher, they go top 5. Dam hates his tape. Ballard loves it. One is wrong and it isn't Ballard. It is a numbers game. Sooner or later Ballard will hit on one of these athletic freaks. He played 4 games last year and got 2 sacks. He pressured the hell out of qb's and plays thru the entire play just like Nelson. His work effort and character are so good I saw a prediction he will eventually win the Walter Payton award. Love the pick this morning.

[ukcolt]

I certainly hope that you're right, and we'll obviously see how it goes. If I were to make a wager though, I'd definitely put my money on Rousseau being better.

Defining better is often really hard, when teams play different systems and ask guys to perform different roles. Jerry Hughes did next to nothing for the Colts, but has had a tremendous career up in Buffalo. Some of that could be coaching of course, but much of it is how he is used, and the other talent that he has on defense to play alongside.

I think we are far more likely to find a pro bowl tackle in the 2nd round than we ever are a DE of similar stature in this current draft. There could be 3 or 4 guys at tackle with genuine potential to become pro bowlers, you might be lucky if there is one remaining DE.

[Hoopsdoc]

Defining better is often really hard, when teams play different systems and ask guys to perform different roles. Jerry Hughes did next to nothing for the Colts, but has had a tremendous career up in Buffalo. Some of that could be coaching of course, but much of it is how he is used, and the other talent that he has on defense to play alongside.

I think we are far more likely to find a pro bowl tackle in the 2nd round than we ever are a DE of similar stature in this current draft. There could be 3 or 4 guys at tackle with genuine potential to become pro bowlers, you might be lucky if there is one remaining DE.

That’s an excellent point. And I think it’s fair to assume that Ballard has more than one LT he would be comfortable taking tonight.

[IndyNorm]

Defining better is often really hard, when teams play different systems and ask guys to perform different roles. Jerry Hughes did next to nothing for the Colts, but has had a tremendous career up in Buffalo. Some of that could be coaching of course, but much of it is how he is used, and the other talent that he has on defense to play alongside.

I think we are far more likely to find a pro bowl tackle in the 2nd round than we ever are a DE of similar stature in this current draft. There could be 3 or 4 guys at tackle with genuine potential to become pro bowlers, you might be lucky if there is one remaining DE.

Good point. Determining who is better can be subjective depending on the situation. Not sure Jerry Hughes is the best example though since he was an absolute turd when he played for the Colts, lol.

I hope you're right on getting a tackle. We need to be able to protect Wentz, and what we currently have on the roster at the most important OL spot won't cut it. At least without sacrificing at LG.

[Chromeburn]

Stampede blue does a good write up on Paye including a link to the 6.37 three cone. That was actually not counted in his RAS, his slower one was. But the video of the 3-cone is on there. Personally I like verticals jump as a better indicator of success. I think those big butts from squatting leads to a fast first step and it shows up in the verticals. He does have a high pressure rate and I think it was the highest in the class. Ballard must put a lot of stock in that because it was true with Lewis as well.

https://www.stampedeblue.com/2021/4/29/22411227/colts-select-michigan-edge-kwity-paye-with-the-21st-overall-pick-in-the-2021-nfl-draft

My problem with a edge player in the draft was they all seemed like gambles in some way. And I like our first to be on the safer side. But this is a deep OT class, so I think we will get someone.

Watching Paye I think when he is just asked to run up field and penetrate he does that well. It seems he has some read responsibilities at Michigan. He will definitely need so technique work, but seems to have strong hands and can shed the OTs grab when he wants.

He does a lot of those quick short steps, I would like to see him take longer stride up field. You can coach that. Notice when he does that 6.37 3-cone he is taking long strides mostly.

The reason I suspect we didn’t take Darrisaw is there were rumors that he was lazy. If true (coaches and scouts would find that out) I would not want to put him next to Nelson.

[smitty46953]

I want to see them use Mathis to coach him up, and re-sign Justin Houston to mentor the kid. Ton of raw talent. I wanted LT but not at all mad about Paye. Just like everyone else hope he works out well. :cool:

[Chromeburn]

When the NFL starts having a cone drill during the game, And then they start to have a track meet, some of those numbers might mean something

You have to be careful with the pro-day results because all the areas are different. You need to be familiar with the environment. Like OSU has a fast surface. And Penn State’ track for 40’s is angled downhill slightly. Gil BrandT talked about getting in an argument with Parerno saying the penn state track was angled downhill. Paterno said it wasn’t true. So Brandt went and got a golf ball and put it at the starting point and the watched it roll downhill.

[Mr. Session]

A lot of people would have put money on other Linebackers being better than Leonard when Ballard drafted him.

To add to what Norm said,

When I watched Leonard's tape, he was by far the best player on the field. There was no question about his ability vs. his peers. When I watch Michigan, this kid isn't usually the best player on the field. Sometimes he's not the best player on his own team.

If I was %100 accurate in all of my assessments and my evaluation of my own scouting skills, I would be getting paid to do it. I'm not.

We'll see how it goes.

[Mr. Session]

And the only edge defender I actually liked was Phillips.

I think UKcolt's take is the most appropriate. Hopefully they find a solid contributor at T tonight.

[YDFL Commish]

To be honest, I didn't think Paye would fall to us, but I'm glad he did.

As mentioned before, Paye has only played in 23 1/2 games, so he's not going to be the most polished pass rusher. None of the pass rushers in this draft are polished anyway.

Still hoping for Eichenberg in the 2nd. He's not the most physically gifted and doesn't have the most upside, but he's a plug and play LT, who is most technically sound. He will start and play well from day 1.

[Puck]

A lot of people would have put money on other Linebackers being better than Leonard when Ballard drafted him.

Yep. And look at this. A lot of people said he was better than Leonard

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1387947978334298119?s=20

Ian Rapoport
@RapSheet
At this point, I’d expect the #Cowboys to decline the fifth-year option for Leighton Vander-Esch, likely putting him in a contract year.

[Puck]

Back to Dam's favorite Ojulari.

Maybe Ballard knows more than us. I can admit it. Some can't though

https://www.si.com/college/georgia/news/georgia-football-azeez-ojulari-first-round-nfl-draft

[Dam8610]

Dam. you do this every yr. Last yr you HATED the JT pick. You were wrong and I suspect you'll be wrong again this yr. But seriously every year you hate the picks.

Ballard really does know what he's doing. JSYK

Taylor fumbled away a key game just as I predicted he would. That said, the team had Rathman to fix his fumbling issues. Hopefully Paye comes in, works with Mathis, and becomes a force on the DL. I'm not discounting the possibility that it could happen, he's loaded with traits, that's his only positive. But this is why even the first round of the NFL draft has a 50% bust rate.

I watch a lot of Chris Simms' unbuttoned podcasts, and he has been going through his player rankings the past month or so. He is really high on Kwity Paye and has him as his No. 2 edge guy and thought that he was a top 15 guy. He says he is not the guy who is likely to be the speed rusher causing huge problems on the outside for the offensive tackle. But he is the strongest upper body guy, and someone who disrupts almost every play. Sack production is not everything, sacks are hugely over rated in my opinion, if you have forced the QB to make a decision quicker than he originally wanted to, that is a win, as more often than not it will cause an incompletion, or at least a completion for less yards than it could have been. He will also be a guy who will hold up against the run and help tremendously against the likes of Derrick Henry and Najee Harris. I like Paye and think he will fit this defense perfectly. He replaces Autry's role in the defense last year.

He has no rush plan and displays no rush moves. Never shows a push-pull, a cross chop, a dip and rip, a swim, a spin, nothing, he just runs into the OT and tries to push him back into the QB like Zach Allen did. And forget countermoves, he doesn't even have moves in the first place. And I know sack production isn't everything, but his 5 pressures didn't impress me much more than his 2 sacks, and you can fuck off with any PFF garbage stat that says he was better than that. I don't trust their subjective bullshit as far as I could throw Quenton Nelson.

When the NFL starts having a cone drill during the game, And then they start to have a track meet, some of those numbers might mean something

Why did you type this out as a response to me when you're agreeing with my point? I must really live in your head rent free.

I love all the definitive statements about Paye and this draft so far. Is he polished, no-the Colts are never (hopefully) be in a position to draft a polished pass rusher, they go top 5. Dam hates his tape. Ballard loves it. One is wrong and it isn't Ballard. It is a numbers game. Sooner or later Ballard will hit on one of these athletic freaks. He played 4 games last year and got 2 sacks. He pressured the hell out of qb's and plays thru the entire play just like Nelson. His work effort and character are so good I saw a prediction he will eventually win the Walter Payton award. Love the pick this morning.

You sure Ballard loves his tape? I understand loving the traits, but not so much the tape. Also, please show me where and when he "pressured the hell out of QBs" without using PFF garbage numbers. 2 sacks and 5 pressures is not "pressured the hell out of QBs".

[Puck]

Taylor fumbled away a key game just as I predicted he would. That said, the team had Rathman to fix his fumbling issues. Hopefully Paye comes in, works with Mathis, and becomes a force on the DL. I'm not discounting the possibility that it could happen, he's loaded with traits, that's his only positive. But this is why even the first round of the NFL draft has a 50% bust rate.



He has no rush plan and displays no rush moves. Never shows a push-pull, a cross chop, a dip and rip, a swim, a spin, nothing, he just runs into the OT and tries to push him back into the QB like Zach Allen did. And forget countermoves, he doesn't even have moves in the first place. And I know sack production isn't everything, but his 5 pressures didn't impress me much more than his 2 sacks, and you can fuck off with any PFF garbage stat that says he was better than that. I don't trust their subjective bullshit as far as I could throw Quenton Nelson.



Why did you type this out as a response to me when you're agreeing with my point? I must really live in your head rent free.



You sure Ballard loves his tape? I understand loving the traits, but not so much the tape. Also, please show me where and when he "pressured the hell out of QBs" without using PFF garbage numbers. 2 sacks and 5 pressures is not "pressured the hell out of QBs".

Seriously? Manning threw a pick six in the SB. Was he a bad pick?

[Dam8610]

Back to Dam's favorite Ojulari.

Maybe Ballard knows more than us. I can admit it. Some can't though

https://www.si.com/college/georgia/news/georgia-football-azeez-ojulari-first-round-nfl-draft

Oh, the medicals I have no access to and therefore couldn't possibly know? Yeah, those make a difference.

[Dam8610]

Seriously? Manning threw a pick six in the SB. Was he a bad pick?

Of course Manning was a great pick, but I could write a thesis on the countless ways the NFL fucked he and the Colts over in his tenure here, starting with how Tom Brady and Bill Belicheat should've been stripped from the record books and banned for life from the NFL upon the discovery of SpyGate.

[Oldcolt]

Obviously you didn't listen to Ballards news conference. I counted three time him saying he loves his tape. Maybe he looks for different stuff than you do. I just want to say how happy I am you are not running this team. I do love your passion and how pissed you seem to get. You obviously care a lot. Enjoy the back and forth. Hope you are wrong, big time (I assume you hope the same thing). One thing you are not as concerned with as Ballard is is the dudes character, Ballard is sky high on his motor and character-two things that are integral to his way of thinking. Makes for a better team and experience rooting for them-no obvious douche bags.

[nate505]

Paye has both elite athletic talent and is an extremely hard worker with a relentless motor. Guys like that, baring injury history, tend to succeed.

[Puck]

Taylor fumbled away a key game just as I predicted he would. That said, the team had Rathman to fix his fumbling issues. Hopefully Paye comes in, works with Mathis, and becomes a force on the DL. I'm not discounting the possibility that it could happen, he's loaded with traits, that's his only positive. But this is why even the first round of the NFL draft has a 50% bust rate.



He has no rush plan and displays no rush moves. Never shows a push-pull, a cross chop, a dip and rip, a swim, a spin, nothing, he just runs into the OT and tries to push him back into the QB like Zach Allen did. And forget countermoves, he doesn't even have moves in the first place. And I know sack production isn't everything, but his 5 pressures didn't impress me much more than his 2 sacks, and you can fuck off with any PFF garbage stat that says he was better than that. I don't trust their subjective bullshit as far as I could throw Quenton Nelson.



Why did you type this out as a response to me when you're agreeing with my point? I must really live in your head rent free.



You sure Ballard loves his tape? I understand loving the traits, but not so much the tape. Also, please show me where and when he "pressured the hell out of QBs" without using PFF garbage numbers. 2 sacks and 5 pressures is not "pressured the hell out of QBs".

Here ya go

https://twitter.com/Colts/status/1388001526380122130?s=20

Oweh didn't record any sacks last yr. But you say he's better

Oweh flashed his talent as a redshirt freshman in 2019, accumulating five sacks and two forced fumbles in 13 games (one start) for the Nittany Lions. He did not record a sack in seven starts as a redshirt sophomore, but Big Ten coaches still voted him first-team all-conference after he recorded 38 tackles (6.5 for loss). -- by Chad Reuter


Paye.

Paye was named a team captain for the 2020 season and earned honorable mention all-conference honors after starting four games (16 tackles, four for loss, with two sacks).

[rcubed]

Seriously? Manning threw a pick six in the SB. Was he a bad pick?
you missed the key point where dam is consistently reminding us of how he predicted it.

[nate505]

you missed the key point where dam is consistently reminding us of how he predicted it.

He predicted a rookie running back might have a fumble in his rookie season. Super impressive shit there.

Good thing he didn't predict two fumbles, because then he would have been wrong. But he supposedly had this massive fumbling problem.

[Dam8610]

Obviously you didn't listen to Ballards news conference. I counted three time him saying he loves his tape. Maybe he looks for different stuff than you do. I just want to say how happy I am you are not running this team. I do love your passion and how pissed you seem to get. You obviously care a lot. Enjoy the back and forth. Hope you are wrong, big time (I assume you hope the same thing). One thing you are not as concerned with as Ballard is is the dudes character, Ballard is sky high on his motor and character-two things that are integral to his way of thinking. Makes for a better team and experience rooting for them-no obvious douche bags.

Character is the first thing Ballard mentioned. I get the importance of it, but it's not so important as to completely override football ability. To draft Paye, Ballard must have tremendous confidence in his DL coaching group, because they have their work cut out for them. This guy has no understanding of how to attack a OT to generate pressure. They're going to have to put that knowledge in him in 5 months with restricted training camps.

Here ya go

https://twitter.com/Colts/status/1388001526380122130?s=20

Oweh didn't record any sacks last yr. But you say he's better




Paye.

Ballard said nothing in that clip about loving his tape. He may have said it elsewhere, but not there.

Also, you misunderstood me. I never said anything about who was better between Oweh and Paye. What I said was Oweh has better traits if they were going to draft a guy just for his traits.

[rcubed]

He predicted a rookie running back might have a fumble in his rookie season. Super impressive shit there.

Good thing he didn't predict two fumbles, because then he would have been wrong. But he supposedly had this massive fumbling problem.
JTs total fumbles last season: 1

[Dam8610]

He predicted a rookie running back might have a fumble in his rookie season. Super impressive shit there.

Good thing he didn't predict two fumbles, because then he would have been wrong. But he supposedly had this massive fumbling problem.

I said specifically that he'd fumble away a key game in his rookie season. Chuck Clark 65 yard fumble return TD. It doesn't get more on the nose than that, but you can be reductionist about it if you'd like.

[Dam8610]

JTs total fumbles last season: 1

Rathman did a great job. I also wrote a scouting report on Taylor after the Colts drafted him, my comp was Arian Foster with speed. That seems to be working out pretty well. And I'm glad it is.

[rcubed]

Character is the first thing Ballard mentioned. I get the importance of it, but it's not so important as to completely override football ability. To draft Paye, Ballard must have tremendous confidence in his DL coaching group, because they have their work cut out for them. This guy has no understanding of how to attack a OT to generate pressure. They're going to have to put that knowledge in him in 5 months with restricted training camps.



Ballard said nothing in that clip about loving his tape. He may have said it elsewhere, but not there.

Also, you misunderstood me. I never said anything about who was better between Oweh and Paye. What I said was Oweh has better traits if they were going to draft a guy just for his traits.
Ballard says he has really good tape in answer to first question (see whole interview on colts.com). Later says tape is super important to him and is a requirement to be considered in first round.

[Puck]

https://twitter.com/jimayello/status/1387984331335942147?s=20

Jim Ayello
@jimayello
·
14h
Chris Ballard: "When you force something, you usually create two holes. You can't do that in the draft. You have to take the best player in the draft."

Ballard said vs. the LTs still on the board, Paye was just better. Plain and simple. Wasn't going to force a LT pick.

[Dam8610]

you missed the key point where dam is consistently reminding us of how he predicted it.

Oh I'm sure if I'd been wrong it would've gone the other way.

[apballin]

I’m no expert and I don’t watch college football but His highlights didn’t excite me seems like a Justin houston replacement that might not even get on the field if Turay, Mohammed, Banagu, and Lewis step up

[Dam8610]

Ballard says he has really good tape in answer to first question (see whole interview on colts.com). Later says tape is super important to him and is a requirement to be considered in first round.

I'd really like to see that "really good tape", because I've yet to find it.

https://twitter.com/jimayello/status/1387984331335942147?s=20

This is why I was hoping Gettleman would take Paye at 20. He loves taking overrated traited up DL.

I’m no expert and I don’t watch college football but His highlights didn’t excite me seems like a Justin houston replacement that might not even get on the field if Turay, Mohammed, Banagu, and Lewis step up

Maybe if he had a rush plan or even a singular pass rush move, I could see that. He doesn't, but if he did. Hopefully the DL coaching staff is up to the task of teaching him how to pass rush from scratch.

[Oldcolt]

Dam you keep stating he had only two sacks last year. While true he only played in 4 games.

[Puck]

Ballard says he has really good tape in answer to first question (see whole interview on colts.com). Later says tape is super important to him and is a requirement to be considered in first round.

Yep

Here is a different video I picked the wrong one the 1st time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YVAy9VWXC8

Also talks about how the OT's were not prototypical OT's and not near as good as Paye.

I won't be surprised if passes on OT again tonight.

[Dam8610]

Dam you keep stating he had only two sacks last year. While true he only played in 4 games.

So should I have an injury concern or a production concern? Or both, considering he didn't produce much more in his full seasons?

[TheMugwump]

Not trying to pile on Dam, but every time he mentions that Paye has no pass rush moves, that he, "Never shows a push-pull, a cross chop, a dip and rip, a swim, a spin, nothing, he just runs into the OT and tries to push him back into the QB like Zach Allen did", I get more convinced that he will be a great pick.

All of those moves are coached, He's been at Michigan. Loved Harbs here as a QB, but he hasn't been known to get the most out of his talent. Especially recently. Especially on the defensive side of the ball.

So yeah, put him in a room with Mathis and Houston. Teach him some moves. He'll be alright.

[rcubed]

Yep

Here is a different video I picked the wrong one the 1st time

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YVAy9VWXC8

Also talks about how the OT's were not prototypical OT's and not near as good as Paye.

I won't be surprised if passes on OT again tonight.
yep, and that explains why he didnt take an OT at 21, But it would surprise me if he didnt take one today, too big of a need and will be value in second round even if not prototypical.

note: surprised, but not shocked.

ah hell, he will probably take a WR and sign OT from whats left in FA

[Thorgrim]

yep, and that explains why he didnt take an OT at 21, But it would surprise me if he didnt take one today, too big of a need and will be value in second round even if not prototypical.

note: surprised, but not shocked.

ah hell, he will probably take a WR and sign OT from whats left in FA

I gotta believe that Villanueva is in their sights as plan B.

[Chromeburn]

Voch Lombadi does a breakdown of Paye

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeKbBu9u9m8

[Oldcolt]

He seems to be a monster in the run. That is nice to hear. He has, apparently, excellent technique in the run, technique he was taught so he is teachable. I do like how disciplined he appear to be. He may not solve our pass rush problems all by himself but I doubt anybody will see him as any sort of weak link. He will improve since it seems he can be coached.

[Dam8610]

Not trying to pile on Dam, but every time he mentions that Paye has no pass rush moves, that he, "Never shows a push-pull, a cross chop, a dip and rip, a swim, a spin, nothing, he just runs into the OT and tries to push him back into the QB like Zach Allen did", I get more convinced that he will be a great pick.

All of those moves are coached, He's been at Michigan. Loved Harbs here as a QB, but he hasn't been known to get the most out of his talent. Especially recently. Especially on the defensive side of the ball.

So yeah, put him in a room with Mathis and Houston. Teach him some moves. He'll be alright.

That's the risk. Can he learn it? Because if he can't, he's Zach Allen who can move a little better. Ballard is making a big bet on his coaching staff. I hope it pays off.

[Chromeburn]

He seems a direct replacement for Autry really. Can play the run now, has some pass rush potential. Can move inside and play multiple positions. He’s gonna need some work. Seems like a smart player though, his responsibilities seemed to be set the edge then go depending on the play. Will have QB responsibilities on RPO’s. He reminds me a little of Solomon Thomas.

[Thorgrim]

Damn Jags, again wasting fucking time. You had all damn night to figure out who your choice was going to be. Quit fucking around and make the pick assholes.

Seems that is the m.o. for most teams. Unless there is a great deal of trade talk for every single pick I think they should reduce the allotted time.

[JAFF]

Not trying to pile on Dam, but every time he mentions that Paye has no pass rush moves, that he, "Never shows a push-pull, a cross chop, a dip and rip, a swim, a spin, nothing, he just runs into the OT and tries to push him back into the QB like Zach Allen did", I get more convinced that he will be a great pick.

All of those moves are coached, He's been at Michigan. Loved Harbs here as a QB, but he hasn't been known to get the most out of his talent. Especially recently. Especially on the defensive side of the ball.

So yeah, put him in a room with Mathis and Houston. Teach him some moves. He'll be alright.

He has character and is very intelligent. He is driven, and has a goal to be better. Put him in a room with smart players and coaches he will grow. He has survived the worst of humanity, and now he just needs to PLAY. Men like him tend to RISE to the occasion. Playing in the NFL is nothing compared to what his family escaped from their homeland.

He has survived the worst violence imagined and people want to measure him with a three cone drill.

[Chromeburn]

Freeney reaching out to Paye

https://twitter.com/jimirsay/status/1388545429395197958?s=21