Would you give up 3 first round picks for Watson?

[Spike]

I definitely would, in a heartbeat. He would make us a SB contender for the next 10-12 years. I doubt the Texans would trade him to us, but 3 first round picks would be too hard for them to say hell no. For the Colts, their 1st round picks are going to be lower tier, but the Texans are in Cap Hell.

[Racehorse]

It would be a tough call. With 40% of the roster as free agents, the cap will disappear quickly with his contract, but it would make us legit contenders for quite a while if Ballard could work some magic.

[JAFF]

It would be a tough call. With 40% of the roster as free agents, the cap will disappear quickly with his contract, but it would make us legit contenders for quite a while if Ballard could work some magic.

No

You cant restock talent with the cap hit to take on watson

[Spike]

No

You cant restock talent with the cap hit to take on watson

Here's how I look at it. Watson would be our 1st round pick this year, the next 2 years will probably be pretty damn low. So we have our franchise QB for a decade and the next 2 picks will be hit or miss based on our draft standing. To me this is a no brainer. Look at the teams left in the playoffs, the best QB's in the league.

[JAFF]

Here's how I look at it. Watson would be our 1st round pick this year, the next 2 years will probably be pretty damn low. So we have our franchise QB for a decade and the next 2 picks will be hit or miss based on our draft standing. To me this is a no brainer. Look at the teams left in the playoffs, the best QB's in the league.

You realize Houston is never trading him to a afc south team?

[Spike]

You realize Houston is never trading him to a afc south team?

Yeah, I do. But just hoping!!!!!!!

[Hoopsdoc]

I still think they’ll work it out. I mean, not even the Texans are that dumb......right?

[Dam8610]

Not a chance in hell. Here's why: either the Texans aren't trading Watson, in which case it's irrelevant, or Watson dictates where he goes because he has a no-trade clause, so he can veto any trade. Knowing that, the Texans only have the leverage to negotiate for value that Watson allows them. Watson could literally say to Texans ownership, "I will only take a trade to the Colts," and their options would be trade him here for what they could get from Ballard, or let him retire and get nothing. Knowing that the Texans have no negotiating position, I wouldn't offer more than a 2 for him. After all, Watson doesn't want his new team crippled for acquiring him, right? If Watson truly is at the point where he won't go back to the Texans, he won't care what they get for him, either. I say let him force them to give him away to the Colts if he wants to come to Indy.

[Dam8610]

You realize Houston is never trading him to a afc south team?

You realize Watson could force the Texans to trade him to the Colts for a 7th round pick if he wanted to, right?

[Puck]

You realize Watson could force the Texans to trade him to the Colts for a 7th round pick if he wanted to, right?

You realize they would let him retire first right?

[Mr. Session]

You realize Watson could force the Texans to trade him to the Colts for a 7th round pick if he wanted to, right?

Watson can't force the Texans to do shit.

He's got the smallest amount of leverage because of his trade clause, but ultimately the decision will lay with Houston whether or not Watson plays football next year, assuming he will not play as a Texan.

Continuing the hypothetical, however. Is Watson's representatives allowed to reach out to other teams while he is under contract or do the Texans have to give him permission to do so?

While I agree with your line of thinking considering a scenario where Watson would demand a trade to Indianapolis, I would be happy with a 1rst. Not three though.

I'm uncomfortable with where Indianapolis is right now. This is a SB caliber team with a more mobile quarterback - Matt Ryan, Stafford, Rogers, ETC. The guy doesn't have to be Jackson, Allen, or Watson. They don't have the playmakers at receiver to win like Brady can.

I'm worried sick by the time they figure out the QB position Leonard is going to be on his way out in FA, Buckner's best days are going to be behind him, and those solid players like Doyle will have moved on.

[Dam8610]

Watson can't force the Texans to do shit.

He's got the smallest amount of leverage because of his trade clause, but ultimately the decision will lay with Houston whether or not Watson plays football next year, assuming he will not play as a Texan.

Continuing the hypothetical, however. Is Watson's representatives allowed to reach out to other teams while he is under contract or do the Texans have to give him permission to do so?

While I agree with your line of thinking considering a scenario where Watson would demand a trade to Indianapolis, I would be happy with a 1rst. Not three though.

I'm uncomfortable with where Indianapolis is right now. This is a SB caliber team with a more mobile quarterback - Matt Ryan, Stafford, Rogers, ETC. The guy doesn't have to be Jackson, Allen, or Watson. They don't have the playmakers at receiver to win like Brady can.

I'm worried sick by the time they figure out the QB position Leonard is going to be on his way out in FA, Buckner's best days are going to be behind him, and those solid players like Doyle will have moved on.

Watson can retire. Not only does that give him all the leverage (if he's willing to go through with it), but that's not a bad outcome for the Colts. I doubt he wants to play here, but if he does, he has all the leverage he needs to force his way here and force the Texans to take whatever Ballard offers. He's not coming here in any scenario where he allows the Texans any sort of negotiating power. I keep seeing these huge potential trade offers for him, but think about it from Watson's perspective. If I were Watson and I were as angry at them as he's been portrayed to be in the media, I wouldn't want the Texans to cripple my new team's chances of putting a good roster around me for the privilege of acquiring me, I'd want the Texans to pay for making me angry by not getting anywhere close to fair value from my new team so that my new team could surround me with talent at the Texans expense. I'd also want to force them to trade me to their most hated division rival so I could haunt them for the next decade plus. Maybe he's not that vindictive, but I think these rumors of a blockbuster return for the Texans are foolish. If Watson truly hates them, he'll want to do damage on the way out. That will include forcing them to take a meager return.

[smitty46953]

He (Watson) should have gotten pissed off before Bill O'Brien was let go !!! BOB would have traded him for a 4th and two rolls of athletic tape. :cool:

[Butter]

Not a chance in hell. Here's why: either the Texans aren't trading Watson, in which case it's irrelevant, or Watson dictates where he goes because he has a no-trade clause, so he can veto any trade. Knowing that, the Texans only have the leverage to negotiate for value that Watson allows them. Watson could literally say to Texans ownership, "I will only take a trade to the Colts," and their options would be trade him here for what they could get from Ballard, or let him retire and get nothing. Knowing that the Texans have no negotiating position, I wouldn't offer more than a 2 for him. After all, Watson doesn't want his new team crippled for acquiring him, right? If Watson truly is at the point where he won't go back to the Texans, he won't care what they get for him, either. I say let him force them to give him away to the Colts if he wants to come to Indy.

He is not retiring, that is delusional with the amount of money he would lose. He could just show up and not give a shit and collect a lot of money. Your whole premise is ridiculous.

[Colts And Orioles]

o


Two 1st-round draft picks, and a Klondike bar.



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[Dam8610]

He is not retiring, that is delusional with the amount of money he would lose. He could just show up and not give a shit and collect a lot of money. Your whole premise is ridiculous.

If he's not retiring, then he might as well just shut up and play, because he has all the leverage if he is serious enough about not playing for Houston to retire, and he has zero leverage if he isn't that serious about it.

[albany ed]

If he's not retiring, then he might as well just shut up and play, because he has all the leverage if he is serious enough about not playing for Houston to retire, and he has zero leverage if he isn't that serious about it.

He can claim a back injury that would keep him from playing with the Texans, yet still getting paid.

[omahacolt]

You realize Watson could force the Texans to trade him to the Colts for a 7th round pick if he wanted to, right?

Wrong

[Coltsaction]

Heck no. He isn't worth 3 #1 picks. If you think he is please tell me why. I'd do a 1 packaged with some latter round picks. He's a good qb but I don't think he's done enough to warrant such a high price

[Mr. Session]

Watson can retire. Not only does that give him all the leverage (if he's willing to go through with it)

Watson clearly doesn't want to retire.

So... yeah. His leverage is minimal and ultimately, if he is refusing to play football for the Houston Texans, Cal and Co. will be deciding whether or not he's going to play football next year.

[Hoopsdoc]

I’d be ok with it, although it will never happen.

Watsons contract would be offset at least somewhat by not having to pay 3 first round picks. And I think Watson playing for Reich would be significantly better than Watson playing for BOB.

[Colts And Orioles]

o


The title of this article could be applied to numerous teams regarding the potential acquisition of Deshaun Watson, in addition to the Jets ......



Jets Should Be All-In on Texans' Deshaun Watson, but Reality Could Stand In the Way

(By Rich Cimini)

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30736654/jets-all-texans-deshaun-watson-reality-stand-way

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[Maniac]

Won't happen, so it doesn't matter.

[albany ed]

The Jets might be able to swing that kind of deal. If they do, maybe the Colts can still get Darnold for cheap.

[Oldcolt]

I would easily give up 3 #1's for the guy. Will never happen however.

[apballin]

Dakich just said he heard Ballard inquired about Jordan Love

[Dam8610]

He can claim a back injury that would keep him from playing with the Texans, yet still getting paid.

And based on the happenings of the offseason, the Texans would have the ability to challenge his right to pay under the CBA.

Wrong

If the options for the Texans are that or nothing, they might choose that. Probably not, but who knows?

Watson clearly doesn't want to retire.

So... yeah. His leverage is minimal and ultimately, if he is refusing to play football for the Houston Texans, Cal and Co. will be deciding whether or not he's going to play football next year.

If he's not willing to retire, he has no leverage.

[Dam8610]

Dakich just said he heard Ballard inquired about Jordan Love

What the fuck? No way are you getting him for less than a 1, and Love isn't worth that. He's toolsy, but IMO he has just as long of a way to go as Eason does. Fortunately for the Packers, they have an all-time great to hold down the position while he develops. If you're looking to spend a 1 on a QB, just draft Mac Jones in April.

[Colts And Orioles]

Dakich just said that he heard that Ballard had inquired about Jordan Love.





o

That's not what I would want, but thanks for the info.

o

[apballin]

What the fuck? No way are you getting him for less than a 1, and Love isn't worth that. He's toolsy, but IMO he has just as long of a way to go as Eason does. Fortunately for the Packers, they have an all-time great to hold down the position while he develops. If you're looking to spend a 1 on a QB, just draft Mac Jones in April.

I don’t know much about Mac, but I’d rather have the guy that got to sit and watch id be happy with it. It’s all rumors but atleast we know Ballard is exploring

[DragonTails]

The Colts will probably sign Wentz.

[Maniac]

The Colts will probably sign Wentz.

You mean trade for him.

[njcoltfan]

The Colts will probably sign Wentz.

God, I hope not !!

[Hoopsdoc]

The Colts will probably sign Wentz.

With Pederson out, the Eagles will keep Wentz. They believe he can still play and that it was just an off year.

[smitty46953]

Vegas odds are 2500 - 1 that Colts land Watson... Worth a $5.00 bet? LOL :rolleyes:

[Puck]

Vegas odds are 2500 - 1 that Colts land Watson... Worth a $5.00 bet? LOL :rolleyes:

What are the best odds of where he's going?

[smitty46953]

What are the best odds of where he's going?

Staying in Houston, (+100)

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-betting-who-will-deshaun-watson-play-for-in-2021-bet-mgm-has-posted-odds-on-it-185403622.html

[rcubed]

Vegas odds are 2500 - 1 that Colts land Watson... Worth a $5.00 bet? LOL :rolleyes:


So you’re sayin there’s a chance!

-Lloyd


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[Spike]

Staying in Houston, (+100)

https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl-betting-who-will-deshaun-watson-play-for-in-2021-bet-mgm-has-posted-odds-on-it-185403622.html

Poor guy. Kinda hate to see a good young talent like Watson waste away with the Texans. What a shitty organization!

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1354804995191840774

Deshaun Watson officially has requested a trade from the Houston Texans, per league sources. He actually did it weeks ago. Their new head-coaching hire, David Culley, has not and will not alter Watson’s thinking.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1354805090947743748

Deshaun Watson hasn’t spoken to new Texans general manager Nick Caserio nor executive Jack Easterby. Watson is moving on and waiting to see where his NFL future takes him.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1354817779333963788

Here's Houston's leverage, if used:

- Can fine Deshaun Watson $95,877 for missing minicamp.

- Can fine him $50,000 per day for each day of training camp missed, plus one week salary -- $620,000 -- for each preseason game missed.

- If he retires, Texans can collect $21.6 million.

[Chromeburn]

I still think they’ll work it out. I mean, not even the Texans are that dumb......right?

Well.....

[CanuckColt]

Watson has said that he wouldn't mind going in Miami.
The dolphins are not thrilled with Tua and they have a boatload of picks including #3.
Look for a trade of Watson to Miami for Tua and a bunch of picks.

[Colts And Orioles]

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1354804995191840774


QUOTE: ) Deshaun Watson officially has requested a trade from the Houston Texans, per league sources. He actually did it weeks ago. The franchise's new head-coaching hire, David Culley, has not and will not alter Watson’s thinking.





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7 teams that the author of the article speculates as possible trade targets for Watson ......


1) ) New York Jets

2) ) Miami Dolphins

3) ) San Francisco 49ers

4) ) Jacksonville Jaguars

5) ) Boston Patriots

6) ) Las Vegas Raiders

7) ) Atlanta Falcons



Deshaun Watson Trade Tracker: Where the Texans Could Deal Star QB

(By Aaron Wilson)

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/texans/article/Texans-Deshaun-Watson-possible-trade-partners-15905731.php

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[JAFF]

You realize Watson could force the Texans to trade him to the Colts for a 7th round pick if he wanted to, right?

So dumb so often

[JAFF]

o

7 teams that the author of the article speculates as possible trade targets for Watson ......


1) ) New York Jets

2) ) Miami Dolphins

3) ) San Francisco 49ers

4) ) Jacksonville Jaguars

5) ) Boston Patriots

6) ) Las Vegas Raiders

7) ) Atlanta Falcons



Deshaun Watson Trade Tracker: Where the Texans Could Deal Star QB

(By Aaron Wilson)

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/texas-sports-nation/texans/article/Texans-Deshaun-Watson-possible-trade-partners-15905731.php

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I haveit on good authority that Watson is going to the Washington Sentinels for a #1 and Shane Falco

[Puck]

Reading through the recent posts on the different threads.... Safe to say Jaff opened a bottle of bourbon tonight

[JAFF]

Reading through the recent posts on the different threads.... Safe to say Jaff opened a bottle of bourbon tonight


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This thread is enough to make a man want to drink

[Dam8610]

So dumb so often

Don't know why you felt the need to quote me to describe yourself.

[JAFF]

Don't know why you felt the need to quote me to describe yourself.

I don’t know why you have to open your pie hole when you don’t know what you’re talking about

[Dam8610]

I don’t know why you have to open your pie hole when you don’t know what you’re talking about

I don't know why you think your ignorance is a valid substitute for intelligent thought. We could keep going like this, but it's pointless, so I'll just explain what a no-trade clause is and what it means in the case of Watson and the Texans. Watson has a no-trade clause in his contract, which means any trade involving him would require his approval in addition to the Texans' approval. Watson hates the Texans at this point, so he is probably more concerned with the ability of the team he's going to to put championship caliber talent around him than he is about the Texans' return in the trade. That factor is going to diminish the value of any return Houston will get. Also due to the no-trade clause, Watson effectively has his pick of teams. The Texans don't want to trade him to the Colts, but if Watson publicly states the Colts are the only team to which he's willing to go, the Texans' options narrow to: 1) trade him to the Colts for whatever they can convince Ballard to give up or 2) let Watson retire and get nothing for him. What I said was slightly hyperbolic, but not by much. The Texans probably would let Watson retire before trading him to the Colts for a 7th round pick. If Watson truly is to the point where he will retire before he plays another down for the Texans, he can basically dictate the terms of the trade that sends him out of Houston, and if he hates them as much as he says, he's likely to want to limit their return both to spite them and to maximize the assets available to the team he wants to go to.

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TL:DR


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[Brylok]

Houston has been taken over by the con man/charlatan Jack Easterby. Their owner is a clueless sycophant of said charlatan Easterby. All of the Texans best players want to leave, and have. Watson should sit out and refuse to play. We should swoop in, get him, and kick Texan ass for the next decade.

[Maniac]

Houston has been taken over by the con man/charlatan Jack Easterby. Their owner is a clueless sycophant of said charlatan Easterby. All of the Texans best players want to leave, and have. Watson should sit out and refuse to play. We should swoop in, get him, and kick Texan ass for the next decade.

There is absolutely no chance they trade Watson inside the division. That's just not going to happen.

Interesting about Easterby though, I didn't know what happened to the franchise. This SI article about him is interesting:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/12/10/ex-chaplain-jack-easterby-houston-texans-chaos-after-power-struggle-daily-cover

[HoosierinFL]

Houston has been taken over by the con man/charlatan Jack Easterby. Their owner is a clueless sycophant of said charlatan Easterby. All of the Texans best players want to leave, and have. Watson should sit out and refuse to play. We should swoop in, get him, and kick Texan ass for the next decade.

religious people make the best rubes for grifters like that, just look at what Trump did.

[Racehorse]

There is absolutely no chance they trade Watson inside the division. That's just not going to happen.

Interesting about Easterby though, I didn't know what happened to the franchise. This SI article about him is interesting:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/12/10/ex-chaplain-jack-easterby-houston-texans-chaos-after-power-struggle-daily-cover

Looks like we dodged two bullets when McDouchebag backed out.