Jamal Adams requesting trade away from Jets

[Brylok]

Two time Pro Bowl safety Jamal Adams wants to leave the Jets. The Colts recently declined to pick up Hooker's 5th year option. I'd love to see a swap here; Hooker and a pick for Adams. I'm not sure if we could afford to pay him, but Adams would be a great addition to the secondary. Thoughts?

[JAFF]

Two time Pro Bowl safety Jamal Adams wants to leave the Jets. The Colts recently declined to pick up Hooker's 5th year option. I'd love to see a swap here; Hooker and a pick for Adams. I'm not sure if we could afford to pay him, but Adams would be a great addition to the secondary. Thoughts?

It was my understanding, that Adams wants a new contract while he still has years on his rookie contract. The Colts would need to shed money, and probably a player or two, plus Hooker if the jets want him as a one year rental. Can they really spend more right now?

[Brylok]

It was my understanding, that Adams wants a new contract while he still has years on his rookie contract. The Colts would need to shed money, and probably a player or two, plus Hooker if the jets want him as a one year rental. Can they really spend more right now?

Being that the Jets have been taking in a lot of our former players, I thought it might be possible. However, no, it won't happen. I'd love it if it did, but it won't. To be honest, I thought I'd try to strike up some conversation since this board has been dead since the draft. Oh well. Back to checking in once a week...

[Dam8610]

Two time Pro Bowl safety Jamal Adams wants to leave the Jets. The Colts recently declined to pick up Hooker's 5th year option. I'd love to see a swap here; Hooker and a pick for Adams. I'm not sure if we could afford to pay him, but Adams would be a great addition to the secondary. Thoughts?

I love the idea. Do the Jets? Is a centerfielder, deep coverage type safety a fit in their defense? They've taken a lot of the Colts castoffs that were here and fit better in the 3-4 scheme the Colts were running previously, and Hooker is one of those guys I think. Would, say, Hooker and a 3 be too much? Not enough?

[Butter]

It was my understanding, that Adams wants a new contract while he still has years on his rookie contract. The Colts would need to shed money, and probably a player or two, plus Hooker if the jets want him as a one year rental. Can they really spend more right now?

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/cap/

If this is accurate they have 23 mil in cap space and I believe trading Hooker would free up 2 mil more. So probably doable, but I still doubt it happens.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

It was my understanding, that Adams wants a new contract while he still has years on his rookie contract.

Jamal has reportedly stated that he would finish out his rookie contract if he is traded to a team on his preferred list. According to Schefter, the Colts are not on that list of 7 teams.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1273733195125710848

Here are the seven teams to which Jets’ Pro-Bowl safety Jamal Adams would welcome a trade, per source:
Ravens
Cowboys
Texans
Chiefs
Eagles
49ers
Seahawks


I'm not sure if we could afford to pay him, but Adams would be a great addition to the secondary. Thoughts?

Jamal is reportedly not only wanting to be the highest paid safety in the league - but he wants to blow the top off of the safety market. He is asking for a contract in excess of $20MM/year. I know that is the opening offer and in the end he will probably settle for much less, but if the Colts offer Adams a contract even in the high teens, it will make it extremely difficult for the Colts to offer the Maniac a long term deal after his rookie contract expires.

https://twitter.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1273978364576116737

Jamal Adams’ future contract demands loom large in trade talks. If he wants pay among top defensive players - which one source whose team has looked into Adams believes - that’s well above $20M per year, while safety market is below $15M. Tough for a SS, no matter how good.

[JAFF]

Being that the Jets have been taking in a lot of our former players, I thought it might be possible. However, no, it won't happen. I'd love it if it did, but it won't. To be honest, I thought I'd try to strike up some conversation since this board has been dead since the draft. Oh well. Back to checking in once a week...

Sorry, wasnt wanting to be a killjoy

[Brylok]

[QUOTE=Jamal is reportedly not only wanting to be the highest paid safety in the league - but he wants to blow the top off of the safety market.[/QUOTE]

Ah. Fuck that. Nevermind.

[Brylok]

Sorry, wasnt wanting to be a killjoy

You weren't. It's all good. Adams is a strong safety anyways and Hooker is a free safety. It just got my interest up...until I saw the wage demands and position conflict. Cheers

[Brylok]

AlwaysSunnyinIndy: sorry I didn't post your name in the reply. It's been so long I forget what I'm doing. Have a good weekend!

[Dam8610]

Jamal has reportedly stated that he would finish out his rookie contract if he is traded to a team on his preferred list. According to Schefter, the Colts are not on that list of 7 teams.

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1273733195125710848






Jamal is reportedly not only wanting to be the highest paid safety in the league - but he wants to blow the top off of the safety market. He is asking for a contract in excess of $20MM/year. I know that is the opening offer and in the end he will probably settle for much less, but if the Colts offer Adams a contract even in the high teens, it will make it extremely difficult for the Colts to offer the Maniac a long term deal after his rookie contract expires.

https://twitter.com/JFowlerESPN/status/1273978364576116737

Why the Texans? BOB is incompetent. Also, Adams is crazy if he thinks he's getting top tier pass rusher money.

You weren't. It's all good. Adams is a strong safety anyways and Hooker is a free safety. It just got my interest up...until I saw the wage demands and position conflict. Cheers

After drafting Khari Willis and Julian Blackmon in consecutive years, I doubt it would be much of a position conflict. In a 2 high shell, Willis could easily play free safety, leaving strong safety for Adams (or Blackmon).

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Why the Texans? BOB is incompetent.

1. Jamal is originally from the state of Texas. He grew up near Dallas. He would be closer to friends and family.

2. "BOB is incompetent" - Exactly for this reason. BOB is a terrible GM. He has been handing out ridiculous contracts. Tunsil got a huge contract on his own without an agent present during the negotiations.

[YDFL Commish]

Ah. Fuck that. Nevermind.

The top safeties are making $14 million per year, so I assume he's asking for $15 million+ per year.

Seems kinda high to me for a non-premium position.

[Chromeburn]

Not interested in Adams. The game is phasing out thumpers. He has two career interceptions. We need more secondary turnovers, not less.

[Chromeburn]

1. Jamal is originally from the state of Texas. He grew up near Dallas. He would be closer to friends and family.

2. "BOB is incompetent" - Exactly for this reason. BOB is a terrible GM. He has been handing out ridiculous contracts. Tunsil got a huge contract on his own without an agent present during the negotiations.

They also have a good young QB and have made the playoffs consistently.

[Dam8610]

Not interested in Adams. The game is phasing out thumpers. He has two career interceptions. We need more secondary turnovers, not less.

Using INTs to judge pass defense is like using sacks to judge pass rush. It's a good indicator, but also incomplete. Adams also has 25 PDs in 3 years for an average of 9 per year between PDs and INTs. Add in the 6 FFs, 12 sacks, 28 TFL, and 23 QB hits, and Adams seems more like a defensive playmaker than a thumper. To me, that word describes a good run defender who is a liability in pass coverage and offers little else aside from the good run defense. Adams doesn't seem to be that to me.

They also have a good young QB and have made the playoffs consistently.

Good is debatable, let's see how he does without Hopkins.

[smitty46953]

Landon Collins was supposed to set the market for safeties last year.
When Collins signed a 6 year, $84,000,000 contract with the Washington Redskins, including a $15,000,000 signing bonus, $44,500,000 guaranteed, and an average annual salary of $14,000,000. Believe he is highest paid safety in league right now. Adams is damn good but not worth $20M per. IMHO :cool:

[Chromeburn]

Using INTs to judge pass defense is like using sacks to judge pass rush. It's a good indicator, but also incomplete. Adams also has 25 PDs in 3 years for an average of 9 per year between PDs and INTs. Add in the 6 FFs, 12 sacks, 28 TFL, and 23 QB hits, and Adams seems more like a defensive playmaker than a thumper. To me, that word describes a good run defender who is a liability in pass coverage and offers little else aside from the good run defense. Adams doesn't seem to be that to me.

Good is debatable, let's see how he does without Hopkins.

Adams has 25 pds and only two int’s. That doesn’t strike you as low for a defensive playmaker? A defensive playmaker who just doesn’t make those defensive plays in the passing game. I consider Derwin James and Fitzpatrick defensive playmakers, guys that make plays at the los and in the backfield. What Adams seems to be is a guy who needs to play close to the los to make plays and is averaging almost a hundred tackles a season. Sacks, pressures, and tfl’s are great but he seems like a thumper to me. Maybe a lb playing safety. He does certain things well, I just don’t see it as what we need at the moment.

Regardless, whether we perceive him as good/overrated a lot of the players and league think he is a promising young QB.

[Dam8610]

Adams has 25 pds and only two int’s. That doesn’t strike you as low for a defensive playmaker? A defensive playmaker who just doesn’t make those defensive plays in the passing game. I consider Derwin James and Fitzpatrick defensive playmakers, guys that make plays at the los and in the backfield. What Adams seems to be is a guy who needs to play close to the los to make plays and is averaging almost a hundred tackles a season. Sacks, pressures, and tfl’s are great but he seems like a thumper to me.

Regardless, whether we perceive him as good/overrated a lot of the players and league think he is a promising young QB.

Derwin James had 16 PDs + INTs in his best year. Adams had 13. That's not a huge difference. Then factor in that James hasn't forced a fumble in the NFL, has 7 TFLs, 3.5 sacks, 6 QB hits, and missed most of 2019, and it strikes me as odd that you'd call James a playmaker and Adams a thumper. Adams creates far more positive defensive plays. Honestly looking at Adams's height and weight, he might even be able to be an effective LB or big nickel for the Colts in a hypothetical trade scenario. He's not worth $20 million, though.

I've seen enough of Watson that I'm unconvinced that he's anything better than average, and his receiver group took a HUGE hit losing Hopkins. Players and the league often overvalue certain players for varying reasons.

[Chromeburn]

Derwin James had 16 PDs + INTs in his best year. Adams had 13. That's not a huge difference. Then factor in that James hasn't forced a fumble in the NFL, has 7 TFLs, 3.5 sacks, 6 QB hits, and missed most of 2019, and it strikes me as odd that you'd call James a playmaker and Adams a thumper. Adams creates far more positive defensive plays. Honestly looking at Adams's height and weight, he might even be able to be an effective LB or big nickel for the Colts in a hypothetical trade scenario. He's not worth $20 million, though.

I've seen enough of Watson that I'm unconvinced that he's anything better than average, and his receiver group took a HUGE hit losing Hopkins. Players and the league often overvalue certain players for varying reasons.

James has only played his rookie year, his sophmore season ended early bc of injury. Still he was able to surpass Adams int total in just his rookie year. I call Adams a thumper bc he makes his best plays near the los, not in the secondary or both. I think Sanders was a thumper, its not a negative term. He was decent in space and could break on the ball if he wanted to, although he dropped a few he should have caught, but he played best coming down to the los and was known as a big hitter like Adams is. If thats what we wanted our SS to do then I think he would be a good get, not for 20 million of course. I think they want guys that can make breaks on the ball in the air and cause turnovers in the passing game and play the run. If you want a safety that can blitz off the edge, make plays in the backfield, and knock the hell out of guys, then Adams should be your guy. Personally I would make him a will lb, I bet he would do well in this style of defense as a will.

As for Watson, I don't necessarily disagree, but the guy is 24 and I think he has a much more positive rep around the league than that.

[Dam8610]

James has only played his rookie year, his sophmore season ended early bc of injury. Still he was able to surpass Adams int total in just his rookie year. I call Adams a thumper bc he makes his best plays near the los, not in the secondary or both. I think Sanders was a thumper, its not a negative term. He was decent in space and could break on the ball if he wanted to, although he dropped a few he should have caught, but he played best coming down to the los and was known as a big hitter like Adams is. If thats what we wanted our SS to do then I think he would be a good get, not for 20 million of course. I think they want guys that can make breaks on the ball in the air and cause turnovers in the passing game and play the run. If you want a safety that can blitz off the edge, make plays in the backfield, and knock the hell out of guys, then Adams should be your guy. Personally I would make him a will lb, I bet he would do well in this style of defense as a will.

As for Watson, I don't necessarily disagree, but the guy is 24 and I think he has a much more positive rep around the league than that.

We just disagree on what the term "thumper" means, I think. I hear that, and I think David Harris, Bart Scott, or any other number of 3-4 ILBs that were one dimensional run stoppers. For me, a "thumper" is going to struggle in coverage and not be able to do much of anything outside the box.

[AlwaysSunnyinIndy]

Wow. Seahawks trade two 1st round draft picks to Jets for Jamal Adams.


https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1287118553179729935

The #Jets held firm on their star and planned to do so until they got a huge offer. And this is huge. Good work by GM Joe Douglas here.


https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1287118070729904129

A massive haul for the #Jets: Star safety Jamal Adams goes to the #Seahawks along with a 4th rounder in 2022... in return Seattle sends . . . . a 1st rounder, a 3rd and ANOTHER 1st in 2022 to NYJ — and safety Bradley McDougald. Crazy.

[Butter]

Wow, nice haul for the Jets, have to assume those will be late firsts still seems solid considering keeping him long term seemed unlikely for them.

[YDFL Commish]

Wow. Seahawks trade two 1st round draft picks to Jets for Jamal Adams.


https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1287118553179729935




https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1287118070729904129

Only a n elite QB or an elite pass rusher is worth 2 first round picks. Utterly stupid move on the Seahags part!

[Chromeburn]

Wow, nice haul for the Jets, have to assume those will be late firsts still seems solid considering keeping him long term seemed unlikely for them.

Only if they draft good players to replace him. Now they have a pro bowl hole in their defense.

[Butter]

Only if they draft good players to replace him. Now they have a pro bowl hole in their defense.

There is always that anytime we talk draft picks, but it seemed unlikely they would be able to keep him long term, certainly beats an eventual 3rd round comp pick or a shit trade.

[Dam8610]

Only a n elite QB or an elite pass rusher is worth 2 first round picks. Utterly stupid move on the Seahags part!

Schneider doesn't have a good first round track record, and Adams is probably better than what would've been available at those picks. I like this trade for both sides, but I like it better for Seattle for leveraging their strengths and weaknesses to try to maximize their competitive window.

Wow, nice haul for the Jets, have to assume those will be late firsts still seems solid considering keeping him long term seemed unlikely for them.

Given their position, this is just about the best outcome I can imagine for the Jets. Unless Darnold drastically improves, this will lead to higher draft position for the Jets with their own pick (which gives them the potential to access players of Adams's caliber) and give them 2 of the top roughly 25 players from each of the next two draft classes. Putting together a lot of high end cost controlled talent is a good formula for success in a cap driven system.

[Oldcolt]

In a normal year I think Seattle gave up to much. I'm not sure about this year. The draft is going to be much more of a crap shoot as there is zero chance that there is a full college football schedule this year. It is hard to truly value draft picks in a year like this.

[Brylok]

I've only just seen this news, as I've written off the NFL playing this year, but two 1sts, a 3rd, a 4th, and a player is a ridiculous amount to pay for Adams. Dude is really good, but he isn't worth all that. I'd be furious if the Colts had done that deal. As others have said, good on the Jets for getting that ridiculous bounty. They'll screw it up, but still...

[JAFF]

Wow, nice haul for the Jets, have to assume those will be late firsts still seems solid considering keeping him long term seemed unlikely for them.

The Jets could have five first round draft picks in next years draft and probably still screw it up

[Chromeburn]

The Jets could have five first round draft picks in next years draft and probably still screw it up

And they still wouldn’t beat the patriots.

[Dam8610]

In a normal year I think Seattle gave up to much. I'm not sure about this year. The draft is going to be much more of a crap shoot as there is zero chance that there is a full college football schedule this year. It is hard to truly value draft picks in a year like this.

I've only just seen this news, as I've written off the NFL playing this year, but two 1sts, a 3rd, a 4th, and a player is a ridiculous amount to pay for Adams. Dude is really good, but he isn't worth all that. I'd be furious if the Colts had done that deal. As others have said, good on the Jets for getting that ridiculous bounty. They'll screw it up, but still...

Look at Schneider's track record with first round picks and it makes a lot more sense. When he doesn't trade out, he reaches. I'd rather have Jamal Adams than Germain Ifedi and James Carpenter, for example.